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analice107:
Catholicism and Islam are just the same.
How did this spread happen? By conquest or by imbedding the teachings of the Bible? because looking at Catholicism, you'd hardly find God and His teachings there.

The Catholic Church has been interested in the salvation of the souls of men being the main objective for evangelism. You conquer lands not souls.

again you seem largely ignorant of what happened just like your King Henry remix.



the church spread the gospel by sending missionaries which were usually monks, the church never raised armies to spread the Gospel, it only raised armies to defend Christians against the invading Muslims during the crusades. whatever conquering that took place apart from the crusade was simply secular wars.

Britain received it first missionary in the first century sent from tye , Ireland was evangelised by a missionary named Patrick, eastern Europe was evangelised by Cyril and Methodius among others, Boniface evangelised Germany, Bede brought Celt and Gothic Christianity together etc. ....


when the Roman church took charge of spreading the Gospel through Europe it didn't raise an army or conquest, it was monks and missionaries.

analice107:
Was Christianity meant to remain in Rome? Why then did Catholicism held it down in Rome for Centuries until the Reformation broke through?
Pls, can you tell us the Century the Bible got to Rome. Oh, what i mean is, when the Roman Catholicism was established as a state religion in Rome.

nobody held Christianity in Rome, infact the Roman church made sure Christianity spread through all Europe, Constantinople and Antioch made sure the the faith spread through all East, the evangelization of Africa was the task of the Alexandrian church but it wasn't able to penetrate the Sudan before the Muslims took over. you need to read about the pentachy.

You all blame King Henry the 8th for breaking out and starting The Anglican Communion, but, have you found time to know what led to that?

He was given a Bible which he read for himself, he saw what the Pope had always told him through the Bishop to be lies, lies and more lies. He saw he didn't have to pay the Papal indulgence to ascertain his redemption. He saw he didn't have to marry his late brothers wife if he didn't want to, contrary to what the Catholic Church wanted him to believe.

He saw he had the liberty to choose for himself whether or not to obey God.

Let me ask you this sir.

From when Catholicism began, to when the Reformation broke out, how many years were they?

From When The Reformation started to When the Catholic Church saw the need to spread to our African Continent, how many years was it?

Sir, if you believe Catholicism brought you the Bible, then you just believed a lie. But for the Reformation, the Bible would've remained locked up in an extinct Latin language, and inside some old cupboards only to be read to you by those who feel they have the right to control you by telling you only what they want you to hear and know.

The Catholic Church works against Christ. Jesus says, take the Good News to the Ends of the Earth, the Catholic Church wanted it locked up in Rome.


With this, The Catholic Church just affirms that it's stance is not consistent with what He whom they claim to follow commands.

Jesus says in Revelation 22:19 ...

Good News Translation Revelation 22:19 And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book.

The Catholic Church added these other books to enable them practice paganism.

Cc. UnchangeableGod

well-done with your myths above.


which of your pastors told you those lies about king Henry, it is a remix

analice107:
Pls, can you tell us the Century the Bible got to Rome. Oh, what i mean is, when the Roman Catholicism was established as a state religion in Rome.

the Bible was in Rome from the very year there was such a thing as a Christian Bible.

note: Christian began having bibles after Constantine

Pls for how many Centuries was the Bible locked up in Rome away from the reach of even some Priests?

the Bible was never locked up in Rome, it was translated into Latin by Jerome Latin was then the lingua franca of the empire, the old Greek was revised by Lucian into contemporary Greek,Cyril and Methodius translated the Slav version, Bede and others translated for the languages of the England region, there was 15 German edition before the Reformation. the monks painstakingly hand copied all extant manuscripts and circulated them even before the printing press was invented.

Are you sure the Catholic Church intended for the entire human race to handle a Bible for themselves and see what it said about them personally?

Why then was the Bible hidden for Centuries until some Priests began secretly translating it into the languages of their people with the hope of them understanding it?

Do you know how many Bibles the Mother Church burnt together with those who translated them into different languages? would you say that was an attitude of a Church which wanted the Bible taken to People?

this is a myth. nobody hid the Bible. this was before the invention of printing press all books were hand copied and less than 20% of the population could read. and even so,the church tasked every monastery to hand copy these texts and made sure every church had one. what more, the bible was made available in the language of education common to the whole Europe I.e Latin.


if the Church was trying to hide the Bible would she translate into the common tongue spoken all through Europe? would she make it available to all churches? even hand copied?

lastly many people translated bibles to further their own agenda e.g Martin Luther added the word ALONE to the passage that says the just shall live by faith because he was teaching the heresy of sola fide and wanted to justify it. such incorrect translation were forbidden. a Bible translator was supposed to request a license to translate and show his credentials. then his translation will be scrutinized. those who translate withouts license are all scrutinized to see the accuracy of the text.
this is to ensure the Bible is well translated and not mistranslated to further an agenda.

almarthins:
Na lie ! U people don come against. Na catholic be that

Catholic no dey specify style, take am easy

johnydon22:
The suffering and evil argument (epicurean argument of God) a God cannot be all powerful, all knowing and all good and evil will still exist.. That's impossible..

God is either all powerful and not all good or God is all God and not all powerful..

A God that is all powerful, all good and all knowing but yet evil exists is paradoxical and cannot exist.

is suffering always evil?

HumanistMike:
He asked a common sense question but forgot that you have to leave your brain at the door before you come into church.

The priest had no answers for him and the church management knows he is bad for business hence his suspension. The priest was probably thinking "how dare this young man try to disturb my means of livelihood? I will not take it!".

Soon the young man will realise religion is just a tradition. Lots of traditions don't make sense but people are afraid to say so.

Most people that don't understand the dumbness of religion are not to be blamed. They were initiated into the religions from birth and have been brainwashed ever since. Some may open their eyes and some may not.

People that can't reason properly will feel asking such questions about the Christian God makes you a Muslim or Atheist or Pagan. Not to worry though. Must people have low IQs so you shouldn't expect much from them.

actually a Catholic priest will tolerate a heavy dose of rantings and argument than most clergymen also more importantly he has 4 years of philosophy under his belt, he has certainly come across these questions before and he certainly knows a response for them...though each man differ in his ability to explain what he knows.

and according to Catholic teaching faith and reason must go hand in hand...a Catholic such as myself will certainly disagree with the idea that been a Christian excludes reason.

OLAADEGBU:
The reason your foundation is on sinking sand is because you built your house on Apostle Peter not on Christ the solid Rock.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20



I see you don't follow scriptures, you prefer cartoons. I'll stick with what scriptures say

truthislight:
I don't follow, What contradiction?

gen 1 and gen 2, gen 1 tells us how God created plants before men, gen 2 says when God created man there wasn't yet any plant

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is the Rock and my strong foundation.

you can keep all your cartoons, this is what scriptures say.

Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. eph 2:20

follow the prosperity gospel at your own peril.
what happened in his family is true for many pastors here in Nigeria.

follow the prosperity gospel at your own peril.
what happened in his family is true for many pastors here in Nigeria.

otr1:
Have you heard about Peshitta? Meaning "simple". It's the Syriac translation of the New Testament dated to the time shortly after the death of the Apostles. It is still the authoritative Bible in large Eastern communities. It has nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
Lucian (AD 250-312), a renowned hebrew scholar worked on the text of the Old Testament, which he corrected from the original Hebrew. His version was adopted by the greater number of the churches of Syria and Asia Minor. Protestant denominations are built upon Lucian edition of the manuscript of the Greek New Testament sometimes called the Received Text. It is that Greek New Testament from which the writings of the apostles in Greek have been translated into English, German, Dutch, and other languages. During the Dark Ages, the Received Text was practically unknown outside the Greek Church.
They can not take credit for the compilation and translation of the Bible. The Church at Antioch had the truth directly from the Apostles. Rome was just a new comer. Don't mind the catholics.

. are you aware that apart from the fact that the Peshitta was done by a Catholic and used in Catholic communities it also contains the dueterocanonical books which Martin Luther deleted from the Protestant Bible.

analice107:
Are you sure you read what I posted? am very sure I didn't mention Greek Orthodox Church. i said Syrian and Lebanese Orthodox Churches. these ones are pure from Mariology or saintlihood.

analice I hope now you are aware that the above statement is untrue

OLAADEGBU:
On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Hier:
Unity in leadership. Jesus is the leadership. 2 Tim2:2, Heb1:2, John 4:20-24, Eph4:11(some are apostles, some is not one or unity as you claim)

Paul said, not Apollo, not Cephas(peter), not Paul but Jesus is our leader. 1 Corinthians 3:22-23. We are under Christ, the leadership, not catholic

Lord is Jesus Romans 10:12-13

Faith is believes or identity or uniqueness from other carnality Romans 10

Baptism is death and self denial.Roman 6:4

Nothing like catholic here.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20


the apostles share in this leadership according to scripture, these apostles and their successors are also in fellowship with one another. and scriptures tell us that they too preserved a unity of faith and fellowship. if your own idea of the church doesn't have that unity, then you are not in the church of the apostles.

Tampinu:
By reading the Holy Bible as a spiritual book, not religious texts...

the Bible is both a spiritual book and a religious text .

OLAADEGBU:
Without Jesus who is the Word the apostles could not build anything. It was the revelation of the Word that the disciples received is what is used in building the Church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. If the foundation was the person of Peter or any of the apostles the Church would have been defeated long ago. The reason why you get lost is because you believe in the succession of the apostles continues in your church leadership. The last revelation of the Word of God was given to John in the book of revelation and after him there was no other one.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Geist:
theory or heresy

ofcuz I mean heresy

701ecilana:
Who is this one. Show me where tje Church of Jesus Cbrist was called Catholic Church? You dey learn talk? Abeg turn to that side, i don't talk to people who just blow steam with nothing inside.

If i decide not to continue the argument it's not because they are right.

Now move along. when you die Mary shall welcome you to hellfire because i know the marry you worship is not the mother if Jesus.

now who is blowing hot steam.


you claimed the church was named Catholic after it was made a state religion, we have shown clearly that you are wrong and the church was already called Catholic over 200 years before it was even a free religion, instead of admitting you made a mistake you are busy shifting the goal post and making new accusations.


in case you are expecting me in hell don't hold your breath, you subscribe to a modern day endtime heresy unknown for 1900 years of Christianity,you should be worried about your eternal destiny.

Hier:
The church was never meant to be one except in doctrine.

Paul said, as there are many members, and every members are one.

see 1 corinthians 12:12-16

one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

the church was always supposed to have unity in doctrine I e one faith, unity in sacrament, and unity in leadership, that is why even the apostle Paul went back to Jerusalem so as be assured communion with other church leaders and he received the hand of fellowship .

Hier:
no proof.

if you care so much about proof why not read church history particularly the church fathers?


Ignatius disciple of st john became bishop of Antioch, polycarp from asia minor was bishop of Smyrna there and appointed by John and died a martyr. you can read up the early church. those churches are part of the Catholic church and have been for centuries

rapture a modern day theory

Hier:
What about the seven churches in Revelation, because it was in Acts 28 Paul got to Rome


Most of the church in Rev, were Paul's convert and some of the converts of other Apostles, before Paul got to Rome

Anyway, catholics are accepted among the beloved

the churches in revelation, the Asia minor, Antioch etc are all part of the Catholic church.

OLAADEGBU:
There is no contradiction in the Scriptures, but it seem so when you read and quote it out of context. The verses I quoted below explains on what we should build the foundation of our faith.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it" (Matthew 7:24-27).

We can see here the parable of two types of foundations. The rock there stands for foundation and Jesus said the Words that He says is the foundation (rock), not Peter as you have been erroneously taught.



The revelation of the Word of God that Peter and the rest of the Apostles received came from God and not by themselves and the last revelation was given to John in the book of revelation and this is why the apocrypha is not included in the revealed inspired Word of God. Our faith can only be built on the Word of God which is Jesus Christ. No other apostles were appointed apart from those appointed directly by our Lord Jesus Christ as therefore, there is no apostolic succession as you have been led to believe.

keep arguing, this is what scriptures say.



Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

truthislight:
Is it not that they both traced the genealogy of Jesus from different angle?
One through the paternal side while the other is through the mother's side?

how will you address the fact that Genesis present 2 creation stories that contradict themselves, or you haven't noticed it.

701ecilana:
No one removed Apostle John from Ephesus. He was there but he never planted any Church there.

Listen, this is not about Apostle John and if he were in Ephesus or not or whether or not he was a Church leader there.
This is about the naming of the Church 'Catholic?'
Who named the Church Catholic Church? And when?

Pls, do not insult my intelligence. Gone are the days i wait for my priest to tell me what the Pope approves for me to know and believe. I have a mind of my own and i read. I have 4 different Bible Translations, i read them. I read everything printed in English, so don't think i'm still a Catholic.

sorry dear but you have already singlehandedly insulted your own intelligence all by yourself.



you claimed that the church was named Catholic church after it was made a state religion by Constantine, you have been shown clear historic proof that the church was already called Catholic for over 200 years before Constantine instead of admitting you may have been wrong and taking correction like any wise person would you are busy splitting hairs.


you claimed that the church was named Catholic when it was made a state religion, I have shown it already had that name for over 200years before .


that is that, what you are doing above is slitting hairs

701ecilana:
Apostle John settled in Asia Minor and became the leader of which church?

Remember the 7Churches renown Churches The Master wrote warnings and commendations to?

The Church in Smyrna
Thyatira
Ephesus
Sadis
Pergamum
Philedelphia etc.
Which was Apostle John head over? Was it the Ephesian Church? Or all the Churches? We are not even talking about all the other churches o.

When the Catholic Church try to create History, they forget to cover lapses.

Was the Church in Jerusalem called the Catholic Church? Who called it thus?

John was in Ephesus after Jerusalem, every early Christian account puts him there... he was also an apostle which puts him above most Church leaders in Asia minor hence his vision in revelation from the island addresses them specifically.


since you seem ignorant of this ask your pastor. or read up.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/John_the_Apostle

701ecilana:
Why do you say I have not answered your question? Isn't the link you posted the same with the one your brother posted?

You talk about Ignatius of Antioch naming the Church as Catholic, exactly what he said.


I think you shd direct that question to your brother, because his link says exactly that.
You can try telling me who named the Church of Jesus Christ Catholic.

you're back to arguing with yourself, @easy didn't say Ignatius "named" the Church, he simply showed that Ignatius clearly shows that the name Catholic church predates Constantine by over 200years

indoorscholar:
I think it's wise to put things in perspective. Offering of 1K every week (at d salary of 18k) is unwise because...

Firstly, besides tithing and other offerings, the Israelites had very few thing to pay for. They didn't pay taxes(until the Roman conquest).

Secondly, the Israelites never had to worry about fuel for generator, house rent, NEPA bill, security bill,water bill, kerosene(or gas if you're classy), school fees, taxes(as mentioned previously) etc all costs money and are not free.

Thirdly, tithe was implemented because the tribe of Levi was the only tribe that was not given an inheritance of all the 13 tribes of Israel(13 as the tribe of Joseph branched out into Manassas and Ephraim) and so other tribes had to take care of their needs. However this is not the case in modern church(with the exception of Jehovah's witness).on any given Sunday, the laity would pay in excess of five different offerings even bulletin is not free.

Churches of today own businesses and schools where they charge Nd arm and a leg, so they can't claim to be dependent on the tithe. BTW the Catholic church is worth over 200 billion dollars .

there is no financial entity called the Catholic church, I always laugh when I hear people talking about the worth of the Church. . . it doesn't work like that

ikorodureporta:
'Smoking Is Dangerous To Our Health', but what are the effects of inhaling incense frequently like our Catholic priests and alter boys? They inhale those smoke daily, weekly, all thru the year....

they don't use incense daily in the Catholic church, it is only used at high mass, that I.e on Sundays and feast days, and even then during a few points of the mass

701ecilana:
I have responded to your brother, pls refer.

sorry dear, that your response doesn't answer my post.


1. I gave you historic sources that clearly shows that even before Constantine the Church was called the Catholic church whatever the city it is located in, instead of addressing that fact you decided to regurgitate the lie that the name was given during the time of Constantine.

2.why do you like arguing against yourself? who told you that Ignatius named the Church? I certainly didn't say that, instead I showed that he clearly shows that the Catholic church was the named long before Constantine.

just to pick your brain, are you aware that the same Ignatius is the first Christian to call himself a Christian in any written form? the name Christian wasn't given by an apostle either. it was given in Antioch check your Bible.

3. John may not have started much in Asia minor but all historic sources from early Christian all agree he settled there. He settled in Ephesus and became leader of the Church there and appointed bishops to continue his ministry.




I don't know why you referred me to the post you made to @easy because it certainly hardly answers me post.

nengibo:
Mbire That is why I emphasized on what is been accepted by majority of Christians, our society is built that way, if majority of the ppl bliv in something it becomes the accepted standard

what majority?


the majority Christians are the ancient churches that is the Catholic Church and the eastern Orthodox church and the Oriental churches, have you been to those churches so you can claim to know how the majority practice their faith?


Protestantism is actually the minority