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Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 10:10am On Dec 22, 2015

Syncan:
Did God include Children participation in signs of His adoption of man? Yes.

God demanded it from Abraham: "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations" Gen.17:12

Jesus said it: "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" Matt.19:14

Peter confirmed it: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38.

Paul acted in line: "And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying..." Acts 16:15

After the Apostles death it continued : "Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" Hyppolytus: AD 215

End Time Christians: Do not baptize infants

fine summary.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 9:49am On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
Not only was it never mention, there are very strong arguments against it namely, absence of the same for the first few centuries of Christianity and also the fact that baptism is for the repenting meaning thinking and comprehending humans which infants are not.

Sola Scriptura is what has steered the body of Christ from Satanism and paganism rot that is the h@rlot of Babylon aka Catholicism

tell me about it, d same sola scriptura steered protestanism into a multitude of contradicting sects.

Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 9:17am On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
Negro,
If scholarship is regurgitating Catholicism mantras , you are a genius!

This Scholarly work gives you excellent reasons why it is m0ronic to cite Hippolytus

If you are going to defend your rituals and mantras such as pedobaptism, stand advised that their historicity is an argument agains them

http://triablogue..nl/2006/03/justin-martyr-and-early-absence-of.html

and this too is moronic right? Dat is d worst excuse i've heard in a long time.

Origen "Every soul that is born
into flesh is soiled by
the filth of wickedness and sin. . .
. In the
Church, baptism is given for the
remission of
sins, and, according to the usage
of the
Church, baptism is given even to
infants. If
there were nothing in infants
which required the remission of
sins and nothing in them
pertinent to forgiveness, the
grace of baptism
would seem
superfluous" (Homilies on
Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]).

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:13am On Dec 22, 2015

EMILO2STAY:
is zachariah a christian?, the use of incense was clearly commandment from God to the ancient israelites to burn in the temples by the high priest, the use of incense ended when christ died and resurrected. There is no record of early christians using incense for religious purpose.

this is d fallacy called argument frm silience.

Christianity Etc › Re: Just Curious: Why Isn't Peter One Of The Gospel Writers by Ubenedictus(m): 9:12am On Dec 22, 2015

JMAN05:
Paul and his writings are false. Clinging to the mosaic, those who look at Jesus as a mere man sprung by natural generation frm Joseph nd Mary. Those are the people u expect me to accept jst because they reject d divinity of Christ?

So if for eg, I share one particular belief with a sect, am wrong to call them heretics? Is that catholic view or bible's view?

some also blive dat Jesus was an archangel! D similarities just interesting. They were classed as heretics mainly cos of d belief u guys share.

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Christianity Etc › Re: #plstellooni: the GOD Of The Yorubas -(Olodumare) Is Not The Same god, The Jews by Ubenedictus(m): 8:44am On Dec 22, 2015

PastorAIO:
Cunny? I suspect you mean Cunning. I associate wisdom with speaking Truth not with playing politics. Anyway, it's not my place to speak for Ifa.

wisdom doesnt always speak plain truth, neither does it really lie, there is room for "gray"

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 8:31am On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
None of this changes the fact that it was INVENTED in the fifth century. Why couldn't God save the infants born to Christians for the first 450yrs of Christianity?

It's like you think, 'everyone once did it so it's cool'. God is not a democracy my broda

why do u like lying? I have already provided clear proof from the early xtians dat infant baptism was practised b4 the 5th century, but in ur pride and dishonesty u jumped them and still make ur dishonest claim.

What will honesty cost u vooks? Will u allow ur hatred for catholicism make u a liar, d child of d father of lies and a candidate for hell?

Incase u claim u didnt see my provious post, here is st Hippolytus who wrote in 215 AD telling us what obtains in the early centuries.

Hippolytus "Baptize first the
children, and if they can
speak for themselves let
them do so.
Otherwise, let their parents
or other relatives
speak for them" (The
Apostolic Tradition 21:16
[A.D. 215]).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 8:24am On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
Reasonable?
Facts are stubborn Negro!
No infant baptism took place for the first 450 years of Christianity. If you think this is false, adduce evidence to the contrary

here is evidence to the contrary. The early christian bear witness that infant baptism is an apostolic practice.
This was written in 215 AD

Hippolytus "Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so.
Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives
speak for them" (The
Apostolic Tradition 21:16
[A.D. 215]).

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:28pm On Dec 20, 2015

paxonel:
Catholics abandoning the term born again are very correct about it.
we pentecostals are the ones confusing ourselves.
There is nothing like born again in Christianity.
It is either you believe in Christ (being in the Christian religion ) or you do not believe (being outside the Christian religion belonging to other religions )
i don't know why we christians are fighting ourselves by calling some christians born again and other christians who are sinful non born again?
who on earth is not commiting sin?
mention one person

Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 11:10pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
Chai!

If I may add, we have a good grasp of Christian history to know that infant baptism is a late invention, 4th century to be precise and hitherto unknown. Christians would do well to study Christian history. If they did, they'd appreciate the fact that most of what they dearly cling to are traditions of men

From the standpoint of church history infant
baptism was an ancient practice accepted by
the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and
Oriental Orthodox churches. It was even
accepted by the mainstream Protestant
churches: Lutheran, Reformed, and Anglican. But it was rejected by the radical Anabaptists
then by the Baptists. In time it became popular
among many Protestants, especially
Evangelicals and Pentecostals. Thus, the strict
credobaptist position which rejects
paedobaptism is a doctrinal novelty that originated in the 1500s and marks a major
departure from the historic Christian faith

Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 10:42pm On Dec 20, 2015

Ubenedictus:
Hippolytus "Baptize first the children, and if they can
speak for themselves let them do so.
Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives
speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen "Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by
the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the
Church, baptism is given for the remission of
sins, and, according to the usage of the
Church, baptism is given even to infants. If
there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them
pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism
would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]). "The Church received from the apostles the
tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The
apostles, to whom were committed the secrets
of the divine sacraments, knew there are in
everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which
must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 10:39pm On Dec 20, 2015

Ubenedictus:
THIS IS A LIE. christian history show infant baptism b4 the 4th cent.
below is Irenaeus
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men.
Therefore he passed through every age,
becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying
infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative
age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus "Baptize first the children, and if they can
speak for themselves let them do so.
Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives
speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Christianity Etc › Re: Help! I Dont See Anywhere Females Where Baptised By The Apostles by Ubenedictus(m): 10:37pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
Chai!

If I may add, we have a good grasp of Christian history to know that infant baptism is a late invention, 4th century to be precise and hitherto unknown. Christians would do well to study Christian history. If they did, they'd appreciate the fact that most of what they dearly cling to are traditions of men

THIS IS A LIE. christian history show infant baptism b4 the 4th cent.
below is Irenaeus
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men.
Therefore he passed through every age,
becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying
infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative
age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 10:05pm On Dec 20, 2015

ayoku777:
And no human being, angel or heavenly saint does that under the new covenant, except Jesus Christ.

There is no scriptural account post-resurrection of Christ that shows angels interceeding for men, as they did under the law. Neither is there any epistle that admonishes believers to solicit for the prayers of saints in heaven.

The epistles only exhorted believers on earth to interceed for fellow believers on earth.

put simply u think d angel of d kids have stopped beholding the face of God, becos u think d new covenant means only Jesus appears b4 d face of GOD. Is dat a good sumary?

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:55pm On Dec 20, 2015

Ubenedictus:
u are spliting hairs again. been a mediator has little to do with 'appearing bodily in heaven', when moses mediated d old covenat he didnt appear bodily in heaven he simply was on sinai, when d old t priest mediated they didnt appear bodily in heaven! they simply went to d temple, when Jesus mediated d new covenant and atoned 4 sins his body was stil on calvary, ...

So been a mediator has little to do with appearing bodily in heaven. A mediator simply stands b4 God on behalf of others, it has nothing to do with 'appearing bodily in heaven'.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:49pm On Dec 20, 2015

ayoku777:
Don't play dumb or try to get technical with me. God is omnipresent, so If you want to play the technicality card, technically we are all in God's presence everytime. Not only when we are praying, even when we are sinning. Because God is everywhere.

Anyone who is not trying to be sinister knows that what I mean is appearing bodily before the presence of God in heaven on behalf of men; which is the literal scriptural context of being a mediator.

There is no scriptural account post-resurrection of Christ that shows angels interceeding for men, as they did under the law.

u are spliting hairs again. been a mediator has little to do with 'appearing bodily in heaven', when moses mediated d old covenat he didnt appear bodily in heaven he simply was on sinai, when d old t priest mediated they didnt appear bodily in heaven! they simply went to d temple, when Jesus mediated d new covenant and atoned 4 sins his body was stil on calvary, ...

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:35pm On Dec 20, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
quality jokes are not appreciated these days tho

This was was almost funny. it seem d opposite is true, people hardly hear quality jokes these days.

mayb ur previous joke may b funny when used in a face to face discussion, here it was hardly funny.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:34pm On Dec 20, 2015

brocab:
Mary is a human being-flesh and blood-she isn't a God, nor is she God's Son-nor the Holy Spirit.
You worship her as she is your savour, she isn't, She is blessed like everyone else who believe are blessed-of course she was the Mother of Jesus-matter of fact on this forum-I haven't heard you, nor the others praising God the Father of Jesus, as much as you have given it all' to Mary.
Not even Jesus receives Her glory" you have given to her.
How can you say you know Christ, when really you don't even acknowledge Him?
You are bowing down to flesh and blood, a sinner, like us.
Yes Mary was a woman of great courage-she paid the price, keeping her faith towards God.

THe accusations continues. even after telling u
we dont worship her u'll still accuse us of
worshipping her. u guys tire me.
on another note where did u get d info that
catholic dont honor St Elizabeth?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:26pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
True, and Jesus full of the Holy Spirit tells a woman who said he EXACT words that more blessed are those who listen to Him.

So, Mary was not mistaken nor was the woman but am more if not equally blessed as Jesus' mother.

There is a blessedness that exceeds Jesus paternity; heeding to His Word. While Catholicism worships demons in the name of Mary,I choose to believe Jesus' words.

And finally, Mary's blessedness in her life does not make her a mediator between man and Jesus. This is another Catholicism invention to justify demon worship.

Do u think her blessednes could have made her an intercessor?

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:16pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
The incense is not blown like dust, it is put in a censer with burning fire. The censer is cast down to earth. If the Angel was mediating and interceding as Carholicism would imagine he was, that effectively stops the moment the censer is cast to earth.

The reason you have NOTHING on the wisdom dispensed above is because it exposes the foolishness of excusing necromancy in the name of 'God is a God of the living so dead saints are not dead really'. If you were consistent in in applying your 'fellowship of saints' you'd be telling widows that they have superb fellowship with their hubbies from purgatory. This is Nonsense Incarnate.

Praise be to God for the valiant reformers who tore through Catholicism rot

VOOKS has managed to bring a charitable discussion down to insults, and harsh word. Syncan touch the issue of intercession in his provious post but u just couldnt wait to convict him of necromancy and incarnate foolishnes. clap for urself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:10pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
Could you please walk me through what part of these verses is intercession?
Zechariah 2:3-4 (ESV)
3 And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him 4 and said to him, “Run, say to that young man, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of people and livestock in it. 5 And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the Lord, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

About Zechariah 1:12, I said this eerily reminds me of John 17 Jesus praying and is it a prayer anyway?

so u think an angel commanded Jesus on what to do and say, simply because u want to deny dat angels interceed?

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:04pm On Dec 20, 2015

vooks:
Sir you are a wise man
Paul calls for intercession and we know Jesus intercedes for us. We can reconcile this by acknowledging that human intercession is way different from the unique Jesus and Holy Spirit intercession.

The point where I differ with Cattholicism is he claim that Angels pray for humans and that dead men/saints pray for sinners.

Asking dead men to pray for you is no different from contacting dead men which is forbidden in the scriptures. So while I may pray for you now, once I depart this is just about it.

The subject of this thread is not dead men/saints interceding but Angels. Ayoku777 went off tangent by claiming angelic intercession ceased with Christ. I insist it was never there in the first place.

U are shifting d topic from angels to saints. i have seen dis b4 when sum1 cant defend a point he shift d topic. d topic is angel zac 1 is d passage. ur work is to prove d angel is Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:49pm On Dec 20, 2015

ayoku777:
Didn't you see the explanation I gave you about that same question? I answered you.

In capacity as mediators, which is to appear before the presence of God in heaven in whatever role on behalf of men; angels don't do that anymore.

Because that would null the scripture that says Jesus is now the ONE MEDIATOR between God and man.

U have managed to confuse the issue. Jesus is d sole mediator of d new convenant, does that anul intercesion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:44pm On Dec 20, 2015

ayoku777:
I never denied a human being can pray for another human. If you have read the posts you will see all the scriptures I used to show that saints on earth can pray for eachother

Ephesians 6v18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

2Cor 1v11 - Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Phillipians 1v19 -For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

But do we appear before the presence of God in heaven to do the intercession?

YOU are now spilting hairs, before whose presence do u appear when u interceed? d devil?

Christianity Etc › Re: #plstellooni: the GOD Of The Yorubas -(Olodumare) Is Not The Same god, The Jews by Ubenedictus(m): 8:38pm On Dec 20, 2015

PastorAIO:
How so? Apparently Ifa only deals with the truth. In politics you have to lie and disseminate falsehoods.

IFA is also wisdom, It may b cunny

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Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:36pm On Dec 20, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol ... it was a joke

It wasnt really funny

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:31pm On Dec 19, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Please provide bible verses for this claim

I didnt make a claim that needs a bible verse. you said it seems catholics shifted from mary to angels, i simply noted that no shifting was done, catholic have always held dat d angel and saints may interceed. i simply corrected ur misunderstanding of catholic beliefs.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:23pm On Dec 19, 2015

AYOKU77 it seem u have defined 'intercession' so narrowly so as to prove that Jesus is sole mediator. somehow u forgot that it will be biblically unsound to narrow down the definition since xtains are intercessors too.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:17pm On Dec 19, 2015

[quote author=ayoku777 post=41158343]The intercessory role of angels under the old covenant was in their capacity as the mediators (disposers and ordainers) of that covenant.

Acts 7v53 - Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But according to the new testament epistles, Jesus is now the only one mediator between God and man

1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

To mediate between God and men, is to stand in the gap before God on behalf of men in whatever capacity (advocate, intercessor, righteousness).[\QUOTE] IT SEEM IN UR ZEAL TO TEACH D UNIQUE MEDIATORSHIP OF JESUS U HAVE UNKNOWINGLY DENIED THAT CHRISTIANS ARE INTERCESSORS.

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:06pm On Dec 19, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Have the Catholics now shifted mediation and intercession from Mary to the Angels ?

Its my first time hearing that angels intercede for man though .

Ive known these wonderful beings to be God's messengers and to protect man against different kinds of evil

Psalm 91:11-12

11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.

Luke 4:10

10 For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you,’

Catholics have shifted nothing, they have always held that all who are in Christ can interceed, both d saints and angels in heaven, d saints on earth, they all interceed.

Christianity Etc › Re: #plstellooni: the GOD Of The Yorubas -(Olodumare) Is Not The Same god, The Jews by Ubenedictus(m): 11:01pm On Dec 19, 2015

PastorAIO:
You see that's the joke right there. Either that Ooni is going to die soon, or the Ifa Odu that approved of his coronation knew this was going to happen and approved of it, or the Odu Ifa that approved him is a fake divination too, or There was no Ifa involved, only politics.

IFA SUMTIMES PLAY POLITICS

Christianity Etc › Re: Angels Do Not Pray For You. by Ubenedictus(m): 10:59pm On Dec 19, 2015

Syncan:
hahahahaha, Without answering any of the questions he now says I "have a lot to learn"...He suddenly leaves the scriptures that he said I don't read, which he should teach me, to talk about "art worship as directed by the spirit". Then he assumes that I'm in Nigeria where ("there are not much spirit filled churches" ), while insinuating that he is in U.S, Lol. Finally he gives me an advice to be free from religion and doctrines of men. Hahahahahaha, arrogance in Ignorance!

Shallom dear, Shallom.

U JOKE TOO MUCH

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