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erusen:
all the books binded are what u know as old testament.all the books were binded 400 years bf christ was born.while this enouch book was discovered a century later.and it was even found in isreal it was found in persia

this is another lie. Ezra only complied d law i.e d first five book, go and make research dear.
Ezra compiled d books of d law and nothing more, even after d time of Jesus d jews were still argueing was d old testament consist of. Stop blowing air, make research.

malvisguy212:
even you ? I am disappointed in you brother,if an angel should play an important role for the repentance of mankind, there is no way the inspired word of God will not mention him, God purpose is for mankind to come to repentance and this angel should play important role in that. Let us review the verse again:

and the fourth, who is
set over the repentance unto
hope of those who inherit
eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels
of the Lord of Spirits and the four
voices I heard in those days.

The verse made the angel mediator, . " Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins.

even me, i wont get involved in useless condemnation.
Enoch was written b4 christ was born AKA the old testament period. There is nothing strange or heretic that God would have an angel over those called to repentance.
And yes angels had such roles in d old covenant.

malvisguy212:
The book of enoch deny, Jesus as the messiah and the book contradicte many teaching in the bible. The book of enoch add and subtract from the bible.
Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of
the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone
adds anything to them, God will add to
that person the plagues described in this scroll.
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from
this scroll of prophecy, God will take
away from that person any share in the
tree of life and in the Holy City, which
are described in this scroll.

d book didnt deny any such thing, it contradicts nothing in d bible, and it didnt add or subtract anything from d book of revelation writting by John.

Rev 22, is refering to d book of revelations only not d whole bible. D bible hadnt been compiled when rev 22 was writting.

dolphinheart:
Where did you get this from?



Indeed some Jews celebrated the Passover before the equinox, but does these mean that the hebrew calender giving by the sahendrin did so too?
That is an information I want you to provide.

Between 395 and 1582 , what calender did ur church us to calculate the Passover and Easter, and what issues did it have with the equinox?

1. I stated the source right there.


2. All the early writter i have read clearly say that before Hilel is never happen BEFORE the equinox, they clearly write it always happen after! I went as far as to quote d writters. Do u have 1 ancient writting that says the contrary, or are u simply reject what i have written cos u dislike it?

To answer ur question, at nicea, the church decided to place easter on d sunday after d vernal equinox. No matter where it fell on any calendar.

Rich4god:
Happy birthday bro ubenedictus... May the good Lord continue to bless you in all you do... And may the birth of our Christ bring everlasting happiness to you and your family..

amen and thank u, u have a gud memory.

samted:
there are several 'religious' writings and books that never made it to the compilation of the 66 books.

there's the gospel of mary, the gospel of philip, the gospel of james...amongst others.

emperor constantine was the one who convened the council of nicea (the nicene council) and compiled the 66 books of the Bible among other things they did.

there is some lies here.
The council of nicea didnt compile d bible, constantine didnt compile d bible. The councils dat compiled d bible are d council of Hippo and that of Carthage.

They didnt compile 66 books, they compiled 73 books, the complete bible compiled by councils has 73 books, it is d protestant bibles dat were produced in d 16th century dat removed some books and made it 66.

dejavski:
There is one book of tobias if am right?

the book is tobit, and dat one is only removed in protestant bibles, catholics and orthodox read it as scripture. It was compiled as part of d bible by d church.

malvisguy212:
I cannot accept lies, the book say angels give eternal life, things only God alone can do. Isn't this a way to blasphemy God ?

the book never said d angels give eternal life, u dont need to lie, it only identified d work of each angel, one of dem is in charge of those called to repentance and eternal life. D angel isnt in charge of eternal life, it is in charge of those who are called to it.
Thank u.

erusen:
u dont what happen all those centuries ago.so its good the research.but the bad thing is that they are some fabricated stories.i read the book last year and i nearly ran mad to much mysteries.but i was not decieved for long as a saw a verse that contradicts JESUS i understand why it was not accepted.and as an old testament book ezra did not bind it with the rest according to instructions from God.

this is hot air, have u made research on d books ezra binded? Ezra didnt bind 39 books, he bind d "books of d law" only, he didnt add d prophet, or job or ester, those are in ur bibles but ezra didnt add them!

If u are only reading d books ezra bind then u should have 5 old testaments books not 39.

malvisguy212:
you want to read a devilish book ? Its is better you read and understand the lies in it. I have the book too.

all this is superstition. Enoch is an old book written b4 Christ, it was used by many jews, quoted in the new testament and some christians used it and continue to use it as scripture.

For other xtians it is simply an extra biblical source, it is neither satanic or devilish, it is simply an old book some early xtians and jews used but it didnt make it to d general canon.

brocab:
1 kings does not say that Mary is Queen.

but it clearly shows that the mother of the king is the queen mother, who sits with a crown by the king.

Syncan:
And I was waiting for her to come and expose Ubenedictus as the old school here.

hehehe, everybody knows u. Compliments of the season to all.

Let the name calling begin.


D bible say " A great SIGN appeared in heaven", and someone who cant understand simple english is teaching scriptures.
The day the protestant start telling the catholic he is d sole interpreter of scriptures.
May God save us from ignorance.

Syncan:
And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural?

Ans: Because God has decided so.


Any scripture to support this?

Ans: Yes.

Ezekiel.44:2 "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut".

my God is so great, he is d one who passes the door an shuts it behind him. He declears, becos I the LORD has passed thru the door it shall remain shut. It befits the majesty of God.

PastorAIO:
I think it might be wiser to change the metaphor and let's talk about sneezing instead.


Do you think Jesus ever sneezed? Because I believe it is quite dusty in the levant.

lol, Jesus nose was also holy he didnt sneeze.

Onyiibazz:
I just read on front page now that PMB directed the immediate payment of December salaries of workers. But that's not a news for my people in Ebonyi state as Dave Umahi paid their December salaries on friday 18th december. He has been in this habit of paying workers salaries on/before the 21st of every month since September.
With the above, i conclude that Dave Umahi is the best performing governor in terms of salary payment.

edo usually pays state workers on the 25th of d month. I dont know what will happen this month

WaffenSS:
Yes you are.

If Dasuki can share out N500,000,000,000 in dollars to PDP and Diezani stole 2,000,000,000,000 without the country grinding to a halt, of course the money can be paid. Heck, Ibori alone stole more than that amount.

all these zero zero are making my head turn.
E don do.

pasol4real:
N did u even care to read her comment on Gej?
I guess using a derogatory Word like "clown " against an expresident of Your country is ok is'nt it ?

do two wrongs make a right?

As the Encyclopedia Britannica states (under Origen), “The Jewish calendar is the result of long development; its present form is not of great antiquity."

Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, around 295 C.E. Condemned the changes made by the Jews in their adoption of certain rules in their calendar.
Recorded for us in Ante-NicenetFathers Vol. 6, we read the comment (referring to the Jews) as follows;
“But if they knew Him who sent, and His who was sent, there is no reason to doubt but that they have been ignorant of the Passover as prescribed by the law, so as not merely to err in their choice of the place as(they were now looking to Tiberias and Usha instead of Jerusalem) but also in reckoning the beginning of the 14th day of which, being accurately observed after the equinox, the ancients
celebrated the Passover according to the Holy Command: whereas the men of the present day now celebrate it before the equinox, and that altogether through ignorance and error, being ignorant how they
celebrate it in its season...”
Note that this Bishop of
Alexandria confirms that the ancient Jews observed the Passover according to Yahweh’s
command and kept it after the equinox. Because of the changes
made in reckoning of the Jewish calendar, their present ciphering is in error.

So when the hebrew calendar fell into error and the Christians were sure it could no longer rightly tell when is passover, they immediately moved all their celebrations from it including easter and fixed them in the other calendars, nicea fixed easter after the vernial equinox.

Jewish Calendar Undergoes Change


The years 132-135 C.E. mark the revolt of Bar-Kochba and his followers. It took the most able Roman general Julius Severus to put down the rebellion, with dreadful slaughter on both sides.

Hadrian vowed to raze Jerusalem so that none would know there had ever been a city there. Jews were not allowed in the city, and Jerusalem’s destruction by the Roman army was carried out. The Sanhedrin (the governing Jewish religious body) could no longer meet to sanctify the new moons each month and therefore dates for the Feast days were in disarray. The proper calendar dates for the annual Feasts were in question.
It was at this time that the Jewish calendar underwent a change.

Hilel II decided to remake the calendar, and since there was no more sahendrine d decided to automate it. That is where the problem came it. As the previous reference tell us, in the old way of doing things the passover was always made to fall AFTER the vernial equinox but in d new calendar hilel made the passover fell sumtimes BEFORE the equinox. All who knew d old calendar immediately saw that hilel calendar was defective, that was why the early xtians had to reject d new passover cos it didnt tally with d old.

Additional proof of a change in the Jewish calendar is presented the Paschal Canons of Anatolius, preserved for us in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1, p.
319. Anatolius, held in high regard for his eloquence and erudition, wrote about a century after the onset of the Paschal controversy, “Wherefore we maintain that those who place the first month (Nisan) in it (the zodiacal sign before the vernal equinox) and determine by it the 14th day of Passover, commit no slight or common blunder. And this is not an opinion of our own; but it was known to the Jews of old, even before [Messiah] and was carefully observed by them.”

Anatolius said that at the time of Messiah and before, Passover never was allowed to occur BEFORE the vernal equinox, but did exactly that under the present Hillel calendar, where Passover was placed two days before the equinox in the 17th year of the cycle! This NEVER occurred in Temple times.

Further, Anatolius points out that this can be learned from “Philo, Josephus, and Musaeus and not only them, but also by those yet more ancient, the two Agathobuli, surnamed ‘Master,’ and the famous Aristobulus, who was chosen among the seventy interpreters of the sacred and holy Hebrew Scriptures by Ptolemy Philadelphus and his father who also dedicated his exegetical books on the law of Moses to the same kings.
“These writers, explaining
questions in regard to the
Exodus, say that all alike should sacrifice the Passover offerings after the vernal equinox. I know that many other things have been said by them, some of them probable, and some approaching absolute demonstration, by which they endeavor to prove
that it is altogether necessary to keep the Passover and the Feast
of Unleavened Bread after the equinox.”

this was a serious issue not about pride, Helil had shifted d calendar and it was a serious issue cos it also shifted d passover out of date.

THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

The hebrew calendar is simply d calendar used and regulated by the hebrews. It months are based on d moon, its days are from sunset to sunset and it year like most calendars is based on d movement of d earth round d sun.

In ancient times this calendar was an observed calendar, it was not automated. This means someone(actually 2 people) in Jerusalem has to see d new moon and report it to d sahendrine, then d sahendrine will declear a new month and 'sanctify' the month. If nobody sees a new moon then no new month! Also it was the work of d sahendrine to fix d year dat has an extra month, this was not also an automated practice, there was not law like add one month every 4yrs, it was not like dat, below is what is need to add another year

“For three reasons a year may be pronounced an intercalary year; because of the ripeness of the grain (if this has not occurred at the proper season), and on account of the sun (if the sun at
Passover has not yet come into the sign of Aries), and if the rains
had not ceased. And if two of these reasons combine may one conclude for intercalation, but not for one of these alone.” so if in successive yrs the rainfall was extended and d barley didnt ripen then the sahendrine will continue to add a month to d year in an effort to reallign the year to the seasons or d sun!

THE DISTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE.
All this changed when the romans distroyed the temple, the sahendrine(those who determine, regulate d caledar) were either kill or dispersed and there was nolonger a central authority to determime d calendar this caused great confusion as different sects were trying to fix d calendar. McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature (CBTEL) has the following to say on the subject of the Paschal Controversy, “It is a question of astronomy; for the Jewish calendar ceased to be any trustworthy guide after the destruction of Jerusalem...The ancient Jews could only have celebrated the Passover after the vernal equinox,” p. 722. Notice the two things in the above quotation:
[b]• The Jewish calendar ceased to be trustworthy after the destruction of the Temple; and
• The ancient Jews (before the new calendar was published by Hillel II) could only have celebrated the Passover AFTER the vernal equinox supposedly on March 21.

this was why nobody wanted to follow d jews, afted d sahendrine fell the jews were confused and confusing

pasol4real:
[b][/b]
I donot need to see Your profile to know where u are from.
The emboldened says it all
'Abokiiiii nnama'
U must be anoda dauraaaaa dullarddddd.

this is bigotry coupled with ethnic prejudice. How can you run down another persons opinion simply based on his tribe or place of origin?

Syncan:
Chai...see Ubenedictus calling me old school, Ok let's wait for kamsified, she's the Pope's secretary, she fit get record.

let us wait, i am sure she has a full encyclopedia on you.

vooks:
Don't be in a rush to respond, read up what I shared

or u can post it here.

JMAN05:
Ur brain is still on default. My classifying them as heretics is not the same with urs or ur church's.

They rejected Paul's writing they still stock to the mosaic law.

that was before the canon was made. Rejecting this or that book at the time didnt make anyone a heretic. Whole churches rejected revelation, other hebrew others 2pt...the list continue. That doesnt immediately make one a heretic.

See wat ur encyclopedia said about whom u guys term saint Justin:



Do u now see the main reason for there being regarded universally heretics? I wonder where u got this ur lies from. Among this Ebionites some are seen as being more catholic, yet not orthodox.
U just want me to start making analysis now. Very soon ur brothers will fly from who knows where to say I search the internet to criticise there church. Don't just start cos u might be surprised that ur church may be more guilty in terms of similarity.

But then, if u view the ebionites as true xtians, that's the catholic training u had that is at work. It is ur right to accept. But as for me and my household, they are heretics. I hope I have that right?

lol, if u want to post condemned similarities be my guest I'll be waiting, but I do know that rejection of d divinity of Christ is/was a condemned heresy u guys share. It gets more interesting when we look at the other heretical sects that rejected d divinity of Jesus.

dolphinheart:
@ ubenedictus
My response:
Oga, that above is the lamest, most falsefied answer I've seen these year. Yes in the hebrew calender, a month is added every few years, that is their own format or way in calculating the years in their calender,its a rule in their calculations and they dnt just add it abitrarily like you are desperately trying to potray. Adding days to a particular calender year is in no way different from the gregorian calender that also add a day every four years.
Like I've said before, no calender is accurate in respect to number of days in a year. and that is how God wanted it to be , events where supposed to be observed and not marked. an example is that dates marked even in the gregorian calender will have to be shifted by a day in 2099.

These same hebrew calender you are trying to discredit cus ur church formulated its own calender , was the same calender God used in telling his people on earth what day they should observe or celebrate certain events. He told them to use that calender to observe it annualy If our creator who know more about time and its measurement could use or make mention of these calender, and their method of marking their days, who are we to reject it.

The attempt to fix permanently, a fixed date on the hebrew calender unto a date on the gregorian calender is impossible and was done for pride and selfish reasons. For example , if jesus was born in tenet 9 and that date falls on Dec 25 th in 2014, in 2015, that date will fall on Dec 13/14th . Therefore it will be falsehood to celebrate jesus birth on Dec 25th 2015.

...........................

My response:
Oga, again I say, all the false and delibrate shifting of date done by different Christian churches was because of pride , because of "na my own understanding better" attitude, and because of refusal to rely on the Jews and their celebrations .

this brings us back to the issue of calendars, is the jewish calendar of 30 BC exactly the same as that of 300 AD? Or did it undergo serious modifications that shifted the importants date?
This is an interesting one because the early Christians didnt just wake up one morning and pridefully reject the Jewish calendar, infact there was nothing to do with pride there, they gave their reasons! The calendar had been modified and automated that it had shifted significantly from d heavenly paterns and rendered the celebration on it moot. I hope to go into this when d later.

PastorAIO:
How do you just make up all this stuff?

You should be a fiction writer. How do you know that Jesus never called Mary 'Mum'? Just because it's not written in the bible? Are you also going to tell us that Jesus never took a poo? That's not recorded in the bible either.

Jesus but was holy, I dont think he took a shit.

Syncan:
I go die o

enjoy, part of d reason i visit NL is to laugh. D religion section has d best jokes.

Syncan:
May your joy know no bound.

Of course dear, there's romance in the air, the Lord of the dance is caught up in it, Syncan is blown away .

i have this feeling ur dance will b serious old school. U've gat this old school speech and old school air around u.

dolphinheart:
Further explanation john 18:28

the verse shows that entry into a Gentile home was viewed by the Jews as an act that brought ceremonial defilement. While the Law given through Moses made no specific injunction against such minor association, this view was common among the Jews and particularly among their religious leaders.

As to Time Order. It was a question of defilement that gave rise to the words: “They themselves did not enter into the governor’s palace, that they might not get defiled but might eat the passover.” The Jews considered it a defilement to enter into a Gentile dwelling.( Ac 10:28) This statement was made, however, “early in the day,” hence after the Passover meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the entire period, including Passover day and the Festival of Unfermented Cakes that followed, was at times referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187.

2)If jesus was taking to pilate before Passover as you assume in Johns statement,then the disciples would not have stated that jesus had several hours earlier eating the Passover meal, and event that was stated again later by the disciples.

u see how u try to pen a defence even though it contradicts the literal written words?

The words say they didnt want to be defiled and thus prevented from eating the passover, u instead claim it was fermented cakes they wanted to it.

There is a simple reason why there is a seeming contradiction and it has nothing to do with changing the word "passover" to "cake".

Syncan:
Hahahahaha, i think the truth is hitting you gradually, keep arguing with your self, but while at it, note that Today, you've heard his voice, "do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion," Heb.3:15

just wait it is abt to get interesting.

vooks:
Receive a brain in Jesus name

ad hominem.