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You were asking how to interprete the statement, but pope Benendict himself explained what he said. Did you not see it. This is the paragraph again.



that Christianity does not simply
represent a religion of the book in the classical sense (cf. par. 108). [b]It perceives in the words the Word, the Logos itself, which spreads its mystery through this multiplicity and the reality of a human history. This particular structure of the Bible issues a constantly new challenge to every
generation. It excludes by its nature everything that today is known as fundamentalism. In effect, the word of God can never simply be equated with the letter
of the text. To attain to it involves a transcending and a process of
understanding, led by the inner movement of the whole and hence it also has to become a process of living. Only within the dynamic unity of the whole are the many books one book. The Word of God and his action in the world are revealed only in the word and history of human beings.
The whole drama of this topic is illuminated in the writings of Saint Paul. What is meant by the transcending of the letter and understanding it solely from the perspective of the whole, he forcefully expressed as follows: “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Cor 3:6). And he continues: “Where the Spirit is … there is freedom (cf. 2 Cor 3:17). But one can only understand the
greatness and breadth of this vision of the biblical word if one listens closely to Paul and then discovers that this liberating Spirit
has a name, and hence that freedom has an inner criterion: “The Lord is the Spirit. Where
the Spirit is … there is freedom” (2
Cor 3:17). The liberating Spirit is not simply the exegete’s own idea, the exegete’s own vision. The Spirit is Christ, and Christ is the
Lord who shows us the way. With the word of Spirit and of freedom, a further horizon opens up, but at the same time a clear limit is placed upon arbitrariness and subjectivity, which unequivocally binds both the individual and the community and brings about a new, higher obligation than that of the letter: namely, the obligation of insight and love. This tension between obligation and freedom, which extends far beyond the literary problem of scriptural exegesis, has also determined the thinking and acting of monasticism and has deeply marked Western culture.[/b] This tension presents itself anew as a challenge for our own generation as we face two poles: on the one hand, subjective arbitrariness, and on the other,
fundamentalist fanaticism. It would be a disaster if today’s European culture could only conceive freedom as absence of
obligation, which would inevitably play into the hands of fanaticism and arbitrariness. Absence of obligation and arbitrariness do not signify freedom, but its destruction.




Read! He clear explained what he meant he clearly explained the words of st paul "the letter killet, it is the spirit that gives life"

brocab:
Is it not the Pope in this film-and you are laughing at yourself {Strange} as I said' you are only one person you can't prove otherwise? You still haven't showing any evidence, only a few simple written words, to say your right and the edit-er who had posted this report is wrong.

These are the stories that fly in all direction's, showing not only these images, but the news is moving, and people are believing, and because the Catholic Church shows past history a lot of corruption within, this information has reached as far as the heavens can go.

You need to come up with some evidence, to prove otherwise these video's are false, the person who had edited this film has reached the ears of the believers in Christ.

Are you aware that youtube isn't a trusted source of information?

The fact that you are parading a youtube video as proof shows the weakness of you claim, if you want the real video of pope Benedict you only need to search online.

Please Kindly show us the point where the pope says "Christianity is fake!" that is all I ask! Show me where he made the statement, he wasn't speaking english so kindly show me where he said it. Because the video you provided only says the pope said "christianity in d classical sense isn't just a religion of the book".

The Lord talks about the end times events either coming our way, or they are already here.
Christians act as Christians do, and true believers will always search for the truth, they won't stop at nothing-from this film showing about Pope Benedict I am sure they would have searched further, studying the scriptures, finding what is truth. The Pope say's live on this film "Christianity is not" in the Classical meaning a religion of the book {bible}.

Let me ask you is christianity in the classical sense simply a religion of the book?

Because I am happy pope benedict always quotes scripture when he speaks, he isn't the person who originated the teaching, it is st paul who say "the letter killet, it is the spirit that givet life".

Christianity isnt in d clasical sense a religion of the book, it is a religion of the logos "the Word of God" Jesus himself, it is a religion of the spirit. The letter killet.

If you don't understand that, then u should ask urself why u are a Christian

So what is the Pope saying? Is he claiming the true Church is the Catholic Church? Do we not all believe in the same Jesus Christ" or is there another?

Did the pope say any of the above or do you just like vying off topic.

If you can't come up with any evidence proving who's right and who's wrong, then please could you explain to me what book the Pope is preferring too, "which one, the Sunday Missal, or is it the bible And why would he mention the above?

With a statement as such, people will intrepid it as they see it.

Does this mean we all believe in the Fake religion...

if you believe in a religion of the book, then you have believed wrongly, the letter my dear killet, Christianity is about the spirit and the Logos. Have you not learnt about the effects of the letter without the spirit?

Islam is a religion of the book, there is no holy spirit or Jesus who is always present, muhamed is dead and gone all they have is a book. That is a religion of th book in a classical sense.

brocab:
Miss Ubenedictus, you have a lot of anger for a small person, I know it's hard to accept the truth, when we stand for Christ, and we see our brothers and sisters turning away from Him, 1 Timothy 4:1, Matthew 24:10 many will turn away from Me and betray and hate one another.

We can't hide from the truth, God see's everything, even the elect will be deceived, this will mean our closers friends and families, I remember going into a Catholic Church a few years ago, and the priest stood up and said, don't think you as a Church will be the only ones going into those heavenly gates, because the people you think' will go in, won't go in. And the people you think, won't go in, will go in.

These word's were from the Lord Himself, I have never forgotten them.

Matthew 22:14 Many are called but few are chosen, so Christ is saying, not only in the Catholic Church, not only in the Pentecostal Church, but those who believe in Him will be saved, but the Lord's not talking about everyone, He said those who seek after Him will be saved. Repent.

Great words to remember.

It's the lack of understanding the word of God that keeps the body away from the truth.
And the Lord warns us of these last day's coming-1 Timothy 6:3 Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who supposes the godliness is the means of gain, From such withdraw yourselves.

Even the elect will lead millions away from Christ.

Don't be to hard on yourself, Christians act as Christians do. Christians search for truth, even if it means it's said about the Church.
It's the body we pray for.

your lack of charity is funny!

You call me a "small person" in an online anonymous forum, that is both insultive and presumptious.

I am not miss unbenedictus, after my username there is a "m", that means I am male not female.


I actually do not have anger issues, you clearly do not know me enough to assume I am angry. Untill you really know me, kindly keep away from presuming about my disposition.

That said, I just accosted you in your lie, you claimed pope benendict said Christianity is fake, I have shown he didn't, I gave you a link to the transcript of his speech and quoted the paragraphs in question, A real man will know and admit when he is wrong, he will be able to kindly apologise when he has mistakenly given wrong information, but instead you have decided to use the merry go round when you wrong info are exposed.


That said, I as a catholic do know that as much as Christianity is a communal thing, salvation is a personal thing based on our relationship with God, that is why catholics have always believed that preach that salvation is not know infaliably but is a gift of God. The long gospel you preached is known to me, it is simply an excused you used to go off topic.

Kindly tell me, after checking the transcript can you still tell me that pope Benedict said "Christianity is fake" ?

That is the topic.

OLAADEGBU:
That is the question and I don't believe Christianity starts with being baptised in water, it starts with believing the gospel truth.

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

according to the the passage you quoted , the first step is repentance not faith. according to those passages u begin d journey by metanoia, faith and baptism.

The next time you read a lie about the pope kindly go and check it out before you start distributing lies!

The pope never said Christianity is fake, his speeches, homilies and interviews are available for all to see.

This is the link to the speech, it was given in lourde france.
[url]w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2008/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080912_parigi-cultura.html[/url]


I advise everyone to read the speech and see if he said christianity is fake.

The next time you read a lie about the pope kindly go and check it out before you start distributing lies!

The pope never said Christianity is fake, his speeches, homilies and interviews are available for all to see.

This is the link to the speech, it was given in lourde france.
[url]w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2008/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080912_parigi-cultura.html[/url]

I am very happy all the popes speeches and homily are transcribed and published for all to see.

I just type the words and the speech appeared it was given in france to representatives of cultures.

These are the paragraphs that the youtube refered to and nowhere does it say Christianity is fake.



"We may put it even more simply: Scripture requires exegesis, and it requires the context of the community in which it came to birth and in which it is lived. This is where its unity is to be found, and here too its unifying meaning is opened up. To put it yet another way: there are dimensions of meaning in the word and in words which only come to light within the living community of this history-generating word. Through the growing realization of the different layers of meaning, the word is not devalued, but in fact appears in its full grandeur and dignity. Therefore the Catechism of the Catholic Church can rightly
say that Christianity does not simply represent a religion of the book in the classical sense (cf. par. 108). It perceives in the words the Word, the Logos itself, which spreads its mystery through this multiplicity and the reality of a human history. This particular structure of the Bible issues a constantly new challenge to every
generation. It excludes by its nature everything that today is known as fundamentalism. In effect, the word of God can never simply be equated with the letter
of the text. To attain to it involves a transcending and a process of
understanding, led by the inner movement of the whole and hence it also has to become a process of living. Only within the
dynamic unity of the whole are the many books one book. The Word of God and his action in the world are revealed only in the
word and history of human beings.
The whole drama of this topic is illuminated in the writings of Saint Paul. What is meant by the transcending of the letter and understanding it solely from the perspective of the whole, he forcefully expressed as follows: “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Cor 3:6). And he continues: “Where the Spirit is … there is freedom (cf. 2 Cor 3:17). But one can only understand the greatness and breadth of this vision of the biblical word if one listens closely to Paul and then discovers that this liberating Spirit
has a name, and hence that freedom has an inner criterion: “The Lord is the Spirit. Where the Spirit is … there is freedom” (2
Cor 3:17). The liberating Spirit is not simply the exegete’s own idea, the exegete’s own vision. The Spirit is Christ, and Christ is the
Lord who shows us the way. With the word of Spirit and of freedom, a further horizon opens up, but at the same time a clear limit is placed upon arbitrariness and subjectivity, which unequivocally binds both the individual and the community and brings about a new, higher obligation than that of the letter: namely, the obligation of insight and love. This tension between obligation
and freedom, which extends far beyond the literary problem of scriptural exegesis, has also determined the thinking and acting of monasticism and has deeply marked Western culture. This tension presents itself anew as a challenge for our own generation as we face two poles: on the one hand, subjective arbitrariness, and on the other,
fundamentalist fanaticism. It would be a disaster if today’s European culture could only conceive freedom as absence of
obligation, which would inevitably play into the hands of fanaticism and arbitrariness. Absence of obligation and arbitrariness do not signify freedom, but its destruction.

brocab:
I wrote what I seen, usually I give the you tube report that go's with it, so I hope this one helps you-it is Pope Benedict in this report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J9u5tlearM Show me your proof it's fake?

hahahaha,

so you can see that the so-called report does not exist in any reputable news outlet.

The so-called youtube image is supposed to be the lecture pope benedict gave in LOURDES FRANCE, he never said Christianity is fake, he said in the classical sense Christianity is not simply a religion of the book, it is essential a religion of the spirit. Nowhere in that talk did he say Christianity is fake that is why no reputable new outlet has that nonsense.

I'll give you the transcript of the talk.

brocab:
I believe this is a Christian forum, and we as Christians share in word and in truth, and its only your say' to say its false, while many are saying its true. So who do we believe
One person?
Or maybe we should look further into this, and find out why the many thousands of human beings are making up these false accusations against the Popes. So we need to draw the line somewhere and look deeper into this issue, because its spreading fast around our nations.
And the internet has open up new doors, for our viewers to see, and the news is travelling.
And who are the people going to believe "You?
Can you back up your theory, and prove to the world you are right and these news reports are wrong.
Don't forget people want answers. Prove who these false prophets are, and help us all believe in word and truth.

my dear you are trying to shift the burden of proof! You are the one who made a false claim without proof or truth, it is your work to prove your assertion. Show me a reputable news outlet that quotes pope benedict saying "christianity is fake".

PastorOluT:
So u see the op as clamping down on holiness?

I have two questions for u maybe it will give us both n others having iissues with the op a better understanding.

What do u understand by holiness?

and ow do u explaing this scriptural verse Colosian 2:20-23

u are certainly against the holiness pastors.

You need to tell us the right teaching.

Geolalisa:
@adeniyitheproof

I will leave you with this words - When the Lord comes again and you make it to Heaven, kindly endeavour to EXIT when you see Our Blessed Virgin Mary there.

May the Peace of the Lord be with you.

hehehehe,

great question.

brocab:
Maybe you need to look more into it.

Don't be like the others, Instead of being a judge as you are, just see the facts yourself, this news is travelling across the globe fast and people or over the world are talking about this, and sharing it with their friends and families.

The Lord has already informed us to be aware of false prophets in sheep clothing, even the elect will be deceived, {that's us?}
And instead of saying Pope Benedict didn't say either this or that, check out the info yourself before judging others, look into you tube and listen for yourself what Pope Benedict or Pope Francis had said.

If its not right then believe your own belief.
No one is against you, but you need to understand it's the believers who are out there protecting each other.

my dear, I have already looked into all those accusations and so-called news. They are false.

That is why I told you to check the source of your news before you broadcast lies.

Sorry,

pope francis never said "Jesus is not the only way to heaven" and pope emeritus Benedict never said "Christianity is fake" always check the source of a news before u believe rubbish.

brocab:
Yes I heard this story myself, so it just shows, one must be born again.
Recently I heard Pope Francis say: Jesus is not the only way to heaven, and he is trying to bring all religions together as one-under the New World Order.
Pope Benedict, Claims Christianity is fake, and the true religion is the Catholic Church..
The Catholic's believe one of Jesus's followers the apostle Peter, became Pope Peter, but something don't add up in their beliefs, Popes can't get Married, and the apostle Peter was Married, so where and when the R.C.Church started?

It's like everything else-without the truth in Christ nothing adds up..

Boomark:
Gal 4:6
New International Version
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

New Living Translation
But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

You cannot understand or know these things until you flee from delusion.

To start the flight, first, you must stop bowing and kneeling to images of different people who you call Jesus. Same with Mary and others you don't even know.

In the old testament Sarah represents the new Jerusalem which was to come, but sarah is not the person experiencing birth pang giving birth to Jesus.

Stop playing with scriptures

PastorAIO:
To be honest, my notion of a christian is kinda amorphous. I have even gone as far, on NL, as rejecting the label for myself and stopped calling myself a christian. I felt the name was just too cheap and that there were too many diverse beliefs and practices, even contradictory, under the banner of christianity.

What do you mean as one who believes? Believes what? Can the demons too believe?

I've often said that people should take on the practice according to how much they think they can endure. It is not so easy to shake off our attachments to worldly things. Then compare the results to how much you are practising. If the little you're doing seems to be working then that should give you faith/confidence to take on even more and go deeper into the practice. I don't know if you can say that makes the person only a partial christian. Maybe it's like a caravan of travellers. Some are ahead on the path, some lag behind but everyone has put their leg on the road so they are all travellers.

if Christianity is a journey then "how to be a Christian?" simply means how to begin the journey. Do you begin by doing or first by believing.

Juzzybabe i wish you all divine blessings, may the song of praise recounting God's deeds in psalm 18 be yours.

Boomark:
Are you the one that made that post? Try again.

That is what they say when they have no say. Delusion at work.

delusion will be the person saying Sarah suffered birth pang when bearing Jesus! We all know sarah didn't bear Jesus. That was an unsucessful attempt to dribble God's word.

PastorAIO:
They certainly seem unique, my thoughts. I'll admit that, and I don't intend to foist them upon anyone.

You've specified his moral teachings, not I. Jesus taught Baptism too, as did John, and as did the Essenes (I speculate). Jesus also taught us to celebrate Eucharist. It is those that practise all these teachings that I'm more inclined to call christians.

Thinking further on why you would try to squeeze into my mouth that I was referring just to Christ's moral teachings, I presume it could be because I emphasised these:

I emphasised those teachings because of my history of interactions with Olaadegbu and not because I consider them to more important than any other teachings.

you aren't speculating the Essenes did practice baptism, baptism is older than John the baptist, even mainstream Judaism may have practiced it at the time.

I'm sorry for puting my assumptions in your mouth, I am just trying to get a feel of your thought.

I am still a bit suprised that you define a Christian as on who practices the teachings of Jesus not just as one who believes, I'm a bit curious, does the person have to put all Jesus' teaching into practice before he is called a Christian or does the desire to do so suffice?

Hmmm,

this is the first time I've heard pastoraio define a Christian and his thought seem pretty original.


Pastor, you say a Christian is a "disciple of Jesus Christ" and to you a disciple is simply anyone who practices the teaching of Christ particularly his moral teachings,

what then is your opinion on the last chapter of matthew where Jesus teaches "make disciples of all nations baptising them... Teach them all I command you...", why does he mention stuff like baptism as a begining for his "cult" Not just his moral teaching?

SalC:
Uben is actually younger than Syncan.

Oh yeah he's that young o

sal c, since when did you start telling the truth?

vonn:
Okay....
So those that really believe/know, why prevent them from receiving communion with that general instruction.
since they have been taught that whoever eats unworthily eats damnation, why not leave it for God to judge?

if you see you brother falling into a well will you save him first or wait to see if he can swim?



There are very few Christian Churches that believe that communion is actually, fully the body of Christ, the Catholic church and the Orthodox communion, the oriental churches... As the first post said, to believe that the communion is the only true body and blood of Jesus Christ as catholics do is to cease to be protestant.

The general Instuction is not precise but it is an act of Charity. If I see a brother about to err I will not wait for "God to judge" him, I'll first correct him and if he decides by himself to err then I'll still tell him about the mercy of God. That is what catholics do.

Syncan,


You shall eat the fruit of the
labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you.
Your wife will be like a fruitful vine within your house; your children will be like olive shoots
around your table. Behold, thus shall the man be blessed who fears the LORD.
The LORD bless you from Zion! May you see the prosperity of Jerusalem all the days of your life!
May you see your children's children!

Syncan on you may God pour his oil of gladness and it shall run to the fringes of your clothes, may your house be filled with tears of joy, May the faithfulness of God be always felt in your life now and always.

dondemex:
I started to dislike catholic church the day i watched TUDORS!!

Tudors is a movie like anyother, even though it contains historic truth it also contains artistic embelishment, story making and shift and some historical lies because it is not exactly possible to draw out the personal lives of so many people so many year ago. The average writter uses something call artistic imagination.

Beside what exactly in the movies tudors made u begin to dislike the catholic church.

loveroftruth:
Are you supposed to be a "Christian" ?

If yes, is it then rational to do all that you heard that the Jews and their Jewish religion did ?

are you the only Christian on nl who missed the passage that says " what was written in former times are for our instructiion"?

Or did you somehow forget that the old tesament is part of the christain bible?
Or you are not aware that the new t was writen by jews?

Who can understand his errors?

cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

woky:
Ubenedictus, as we pray for you today, May God's blessings rest upon you today and each day that follows. Amen..

Amen!


I wish to express my gratitude to all who remembered me in prayers today, thanks syncan for the date, kamsi weldone for organising the novena and my gratitude to all who participated.

Thank you!

Syncan:
Oliver... is that you?

chai! Na me be dis?

PassingShot:
That you chose to explain it is laughable.

I was only trying to see if there are a few presidents who chose to obey traffic rules. Nothing more.

someone have already given an example of a country where the president obeys traffic laws: Newzealand

jnrbayano:
MariaGoretti,

May the Lords goodness be unleashed atop you, your family and friends now and for all-time.

Amen.

MariaGoreti,


May the LORD answer you when you are in distress; may the name of the God of Jacob protect you. May he send you help from the sanctuary and grant you support
from Zion.
May he remember all your sacrifices and accept your burnt
offerings. May he give you the desire of your heart and make all your plans succeed.

May we shout for joy over your victory and lift up our banners in the name of our God.

May the LORD grant all your requests now and always.

Syncan:
Oga Ubenedictus you're next, make I chose psalm for you?

All brethren please pick a psalm you'll want us to pray for you as an addition on your day...if you so desire.

thanks for giving me ur date, i would have no problem if you pick a psalm for me. I guess there are no laws that says I can't have 3 psalms instead of 2.

Anyway, I'll chose ps 19, i'll fight the temptation to add ps 20.

darknez:
Lol!

I don't think there is anything like a "silly philosophical discuss".

Well, if you think there is, then let me ask a theological question, which I hope you won't call silly too...

Could you explain the following verse, in the light of your response above?

Isaiah 45:7Good News Translation (GNT)

7 I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the Lord, do all these things.

Um...you can focus on the underlined only.

PS: I don't think evil is simply an absence of good. I think evil is substantive.

hehehe,

if you look at scriptures you'll also find the passage that says "I create evil and I cause disasters".

The key is interpretation.


I'll revisit this later.

vonn:
I know other churches receive communion...or don't they?

If they practise it, how then do they dispute or lack faith in it?
Is it that what they receive is not the true body and blood of Christ?

my dear,
"communion" is not the same everywhere, if you ask different protestant pastors what their communion is they will tell you that it is a "symbol", if you ask any practicing catholic he will tell you it is "the true body and blood of Jesus christ together with his soul and divinity". St paul teaches in his letter to the corithian that each man must examine himself before coming forward, he must believe before he receives.

He clearly says "he who eat and drink without discerning the body and blood eat condemnation", so when you are prevented from receiving in a catholic church know they are doing you are favour.

Jennydoris:
Right behind you... Am going with 27th.

na wa o...
I wanted to take 27th but this lady just chanced me.
Abeg kamsified just give me any date.