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striktlymi: Um...I will say you are quite right on that. I don't just accept stuff because someone says so. I don't accept the Teachings of the Church because the Pope or someone else says so. I accept the Teachings of the Church because the Holy spirit dictates whatever the Church Teaches.

For me, Catholicism is not something one just accepts truly without asking some soul searching questions and making some rather detailed research. The questions and scrutiny lead me to Catholicism...let's just say, if I had not chosen Catholicism, I wouldn't have chosen Christianity.

Don't get me wrong, I believe firmly that Jesus calls people in very different ways. He uses those who seemingly are outside the Church but the answers I seek can only be answered within the context of Catholicism.

striktlymi: My head just grew twice its normal size.

Syncan: Do not worry much, I rather intended emboldening it. Thank you .

Sal C: No jokes! The striktlymi I used to know does get easily convinced let alone accepting one's view without questioning. Lol

Syncan: On the bolded, "thank you".

Sal C: Greetings Striktlymi

Am surprised you said the bolded, seems like am seeing a different side of you.

Syncan: Good day Strikt. I guess that sums it up.

Syncan: Yeah, I see how you addressed it.Dear respected brother, I will say at this point, that I've made my stand on the issue known. I'll leave it at that.

striktlymi: The CHURCH speaks! I follow!!



Good day ladies and gents!

mba emeka: You haven't said anything new. But I agree with most of your exegesis. Now proceeding further.

Acts 2 : 21 whoever shall call on the name of Jesus shall be saved. What does it mean?

This statement was made by the same Peter. He preached Jesus to them. He explained how he was killed and how he had resurrected. He implored them to accept the lordship of Jesus christ.

They said what shall we do? Then he told them Repent (change your mind) and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

Then they accepted Jesus lordship. Verse 41 nails it. Then everyone that had accepted Jesus and was saved was then baptised. Period.


This is in Peters day. In Philips day. In Pauls day.

Please save that 21st century hocus pocus bogus you are trying to sell. It was the order in bible days.

Ask your priests where they got their own order from. I have accepted the bible ordained way.

POPE II: Jesus is God , there's no way humans could have led him astray. There's no way his "fame/popularity" on earth could have sent him away from The path of his father.
The Pope is kinda different, I don't think I need to explain what I mean. Besides the people surrounding him are not him so erm .
Unfortunately I don't pray for him everyday, will definitively start doing so

Syncan: ^^^Permit me to abstain from this discuss until you address my post above, because you just accused me of telling a lie against you.

Syncan: A little bit of history may suffice here:
"The Roman Missal that Pope Pius V issued at the request of the Council of Trent, gradually established uniformity within the Western Church after a period that had witnessed regional variations in the choice of Epistles, Gospels, and prayers at the Offertory, the Communion, and the beginning and end of Mass. With the exception of a few dioceses and religious orders, the use of this Missal was made obligatory, giving rise to the 400-year (4 centuries) period when the Roman-Rite Mass took the form now known as the Tridentine Mass.

It is unfair to make the new mass look like it is not based on what is. Certain things may Change, but it has been changing earlier and the substance still remain same.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Tridentine_Mass

Syncan: My Post: Be attentive to the bolded.

Your Response :

Do you mind telling me what I said is expected and what you said is not?

Syncan: hahaha, If na you, e go reach for you? One member of the group said something, I showed you two members giving their own say. Remember you are the accuser here, the onus lies on you to prove your case beyond reasonable doubt. So far, you have not.

Syncan: Please for the avoidance of doubt, I am not a champion of the novus ordo, my association with FSPP, various literature and personal experience will not let me do that. Yet I stand by the church's decision that the novus ordo in itself is good.However, It is prone to abuse more easily than the one earlier.

Syncan: A little bit of history may suffice here:
"Towards the end of the eighth century Charlemagne ordered the Roman rite of Mass to be used throughout his domains. However, some elements of the preceding Gallican rites were fused with it north of the Alps, and the resulting mixed rite was introduced into Rome under the influence of the emperors who succeeded Charlemagne. Gallican influence is responsible for the introduction into the Roman rite of dramatic and symbolic ceremonies such as the blessing of candles, ashes, palms, and much of the Holy Week ritual.

The recitation of the Credo (Nicene Creed) after the Gospel is attributed to the influence of Emperor Henry II (1002–1024). Gallican influence explains the practice of incensing persons, introduced in the eleventh or twelfth century; before that time incense was burned only during processions (the entrance and Gospel procession). Private prayers for the priest to say before Communion were another novelty. About the thirteenth century, an elaborate ritual and additional prayers of French origin were added to the Offertory, at which the only prayer that the priest in earlier times said was the Secret; these prayers varied considerably until fixed by Pope Pius V in 1570. Pope Pius V also introduced the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, previously said mostly in the sacristy or during the procession to the altar as part of the priest's preparation, and also for the first time formally admitted into the Mass all that follows the Ite missa est in his edition of the Roman Missal. Later editions of the Roman Missal abbreviated this part by omitting the Canticle of the Three Young Men and Psalm 150, followed by other prayers, that in Pius V's edition the priest was to say while leaving the altar".

Do you dispute any part of the above? does it not show the continued removal and additions that took place earlier?

Syncan: Keep bringing up issues. I said his judgement is final, you said it is not, yet that what is expected is that you "obey". Do not play with words here and do not bring stryk and Italo discussion into this. If discipline is all it is, why are we creating much noise over it? I say again, Let the Pope do his Job.

Syncan: There was no need for the "clarification" if I never made such claim in the first place.

From all I have gathered, there was more than what is released to the press, I have asked you if you're privy to the commission's report, so far, I take it that we both are getting our info from here and there. If 80% is bogus, you may give your figure. So far I have seen 80% and I have seen 61%, they are all in the majority.

Syncan: Did I not say it earlier? It depends on who you're listening to.

However, Father Angelo Geiger,a former general delegate of the FFI in the United States,had this to say:

“The restrictions on our community are specific to us and have been put in place for reasons specific to us,” Father Geiger stated through his Mary Victrix blog.
“Pope Francis has not contradicted Pope Benedict,” he said. “The visitation of our community began under Pope Benedict, and the commission was recommended by Cardinal João Braz de Aviz, who was appointed to the congregation by Pope Benedict.”

According to Article 3 of Summorum Pontificum, "Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so." Benedict's motu proprio goes on to state, "If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues."

Father Geiger said, “What is being reported in the press and what has actually transpired within our community over the course of a number of years are two different things."

Sal C: Lol you no serious, I only saw it while watching the life history of Padre Pio, seems he enjoyed the old mass more, me sef wan experience am live!

babestell: Is that so!. Me i no go attend any church wey fada back me o!
Am in with the new method, face me, i face you.

try69: The phrase "of water and the Spirit" (Greek, ek hudatos kai pneumatos) is a single linguistical unit. It refers to being "born of water and the Spirit," not "born of water" on the one hand and "born of the Spirit" on the other.


At Jesus' baptism, the Holy Spirit descends upon him as He comes up out of the water (cf. John 1:25-34; Matt 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22). Furthermore, what distinguishes John's baptism of repentance in anticipation of the Messiah from Christian baptism, is that the latter is a baptism with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:31; Acts 1:4-5).

Consequently, on Pentecost, Peter calls the Jews to "be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins" and promises that they will "receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), thus fulfilling the promise of John. Peter clearly teaches here that the "water baptism," to which he directs the soon-to-be converts, forgives sins and bestows the Holy Spirit. Christian baptism, then, is no mere external, repentance-ritual with water, but entails an inner transformation or regeneration by the Holy Spirit of the New Covenant; it is a "new birth," a being "born again" or "born from above."

What's wrong with 21st century protestants?

chukwudi44: happty new year to peeps on this thread,wish u all best in the new year

Sal C: My dear with all this fast forwarding and reversing of latin grammar, those of us who know little or nothing of latin grammar will loose focus.

babestell: hehehehehe, I like the way you guys are blowing latin grammar.

Abeg Pope should come to the East, some of the the priest here need caning

Syncan: Please be careful here Uben, are you saying the novus ordo did not stem from the one before it? that it is an entirely new set of prayers and acts fabricated anew by Vatican II?