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shdemidemi: That was y I said I won't quote a verse..d whole chapter was abt false prophets and how they were perverting d gospel. He warned d church against them and anyone that comes to teach them anything else.now i must laugh in greek and let dis slide |
frosbel: he was only correcting Peter from a mistake he made, Paul also corrected himself when he made a mistake.amen |
moredendisc: @Ubenedictusnow u just made it a witch hunt. The Okogies knows which side their bread is buttered onand wat side is dat? and since their allegiances or loyalties are with the RCC,really, oyedepo d last time i checked wasnt allied to d rcc, yet u simply listed different men and tagged them "false teachers". Now i'm curious wu made u judge? And since wen did u start seeing d hearts of odas? The problem is u have ur interpretation of scripture, they have theirs, what makes ur interpretation superior to their and so vindicates u to start tagging pipo? |
truthislight: Even when that tradition contradicts the written words of the apostles, do you still put faith in such?i have told u b4 and i'm happy to repeat it again, no christian tradition contradicts the word of God. The only problem is people like u wu misinterprete the written word of God and set up a false contradiction where there is none. I remember i told u that b4! I donot, neva have and neva will dispense of a single word of scripture, nor do i forsake a single part of d faith that has been transmitted thru tradition. Instead i hold both as d apostle paul has said for therein is one faith without shadow or contradiction. If u read books i'll like to refer u to one. Thank you. |
truthislight: Ma sis pp.amen, it goes back to dust so what is d whole fuzz abt? |
shdemidemi: There is simplicity in christainity..don't even go to Peter...Peter chose to speak with the jews and was even called a false prophet by apostle paul.We have to rightly divide the word of God. And as for hell.If those who see God get comfort the other part get discomfort and that's what I call hell.don't go in to revelation cos no one will truely understand it until it comes.that is afterlife brethren. The only person that really tells us how to be saved is apostle Paul in his letters to the church.pls enlighten me, where did paul call peter a false prophet? Book, chapter and verse. |
moredendisc: @Ubenedictusi'm aware of his affiliation, i just do not fink he fits d group u added him to. |
moredendisc: @Zikkyyu just couldnt help adding okogie there could u? That guy isn't materially rich he doesn't fit d group. |
E b like say nobody bold contribute put 4 dis one |
plappville: Thank you for your contribution. It made sense. But i wonder why this man was buried by the church thensorry i didnt get d question! Do u mean d atheist cremation was done in a catholic? Or is d question open? |
Boomark:i haven't heard from italo since b4 christmass, i hope he is ok, as for d ansa's i think u are beating a dead dog, u are just reasking previous questions, ansaing them wil b a waste of time. Atleast thank God i ansad d questions u asked here. |
Dap07: Una no go push dis 1 go front page abi?hahahaha, very funny! De fit no gree oh!! |
[quote author=J_alive]Guys, we need to understand that our nomenclature is secondary. We are one body in Christ, everyone doing their bit. Your "church" (denomination or whatever)is a subset of the church Universal. For example, a denomination might be a part of the arm by virtue of their message or "revelation" while another may be a part of the leg. We also need to understand that it is God that calls into ministry. Not all ministries will function under church. God often releases His servants to establish due to certain reasons: (1)If the organisation under which the individual operates is not libral to accomodate that message (2)If He is sending such a person out to pioneer a new work all together So in the case of the above, if God gives such a person a new name for the new work, who is he responsible to? God or man? So what is important, the nomenclature or the assignment? We need to know that our social system is different from the early church. In this dispensation, every organisation has to be registered. Christ is the message, we all meet at the cross. But we would not always see it all the same way. Some people establish churches with ulterior motives. But it does not change the fact that God is still sending people for new assignments.[/quote]and how do u address d fact dat "one faith" has turn to a thousand faith? Or is God just making new faith as he is sending more pipo to fragment d church? |
plappville: Ah ok, These churches accept burial in such manner not minding if the deceased was a believer or not. This is strange!just a point or two, catholics do not bury or cremate non believers and in early xtian history d xtians forbade cremation becos it was used by does wu said "there was no resurrection of d dead". In recent times those law were turned, though burial is stil d preferable xtian practice, any xtian wu wishes to be cremated may do so inasmuch as he fully believes in d resurrection of d dead. At least from d perspective of a catholic. |
plappville: Ah ok, These churches accept burial in such manner not minding if the deceased was a believer or not. This is strange!just a point or two, catholics do not bury or cremate non believers and in early xtian history d xtians forbade cremation becos it was used by does wu said "there was no resurrection of d dead". In recent times those law were turned, though burial is stil d preferable xtian practice, any xtian wu wishes to be cremated may do so inasmuch as he fully believes in d resurrection of d dead. At least from d perspective of a catholic. |
It seems the explanation was very clear, and everyone who read it seemed to leave literally speechless. Wow! Thank God. |
Hahaha, intarasting critique. Great cartoon |
Ofcux i dont need to look to know wu wrote this. Boomark: An avenue to practice idolatry and all sorts of unchristian practices. That is the tradition of men which the apostles never mentioned in all their teaching.this is interesting, u weren't around to hear from d apostles personally all we have are their letter and the transmission of their faith thru tradition, so d above is presumptuous. Apostles were also buying private jets. This is a tradition ubenedictus did not know of. Let your church fathers also include that one as a tradition. I no talk o....its just a suggestion.hahaha, really funny, the church fathers are simply earlier xtians wu held and transmitted d faith and in 1200 years to our time no one termed church father, the church father are at least dead for 1200yrs now so it is literally imposible for them to buy private jet or preach it. As a general rule d church fada's were against unneccesary accumulation of material wealth because we are pilgrims on earth. And dead pipo dont write. |
truthislight: My friend, life is involved in this things and hence, my interest here.ok The apostles where used for the teaching of christ/christianity in the NT and it was the father that hand picked them for christ and christ did not do that by himself. How much more other people?hahaha, ok i think i understand where u are coming from. The revealation of christ is very important and not anyhow person shuld transmit tradition. Ok i get that. That not withstanding the bible itself shows us how d xtian tradition was to be transmitted. 2 tim 2:2 it says and i quote and the things u have heard me say, in the presence of many witness entrust to reliable men who will be able to teach other the bible let me know that d transmission of tradition didnt stop with the apostles, the apostles were to transmitted it to their disciples who in turn shuld entrust it to other men wu were capable of teaching odas. Paul taught them to timothy and timothy will entrust it to other wu must teach it to odas too. That is how scriptures bear witness to d transmission of tradition. So do d early xtians bear witnes dat peter transmitted to mark and linus etal, john to polycarp etal, paul to timothy, titus etal,etc. To claim that that transmission stoped with the apostle is to do a disservice to scripture, because scripture make it quite clear that tradition is to be transmitted from one generation of belivers to the next. Peace my dear friend. |
Kay 17: ^^i'll explain again. On a normal day, scientist were allowed to postulate their ideas, wether the good, the bad or the ugly, they were allowed to argue for or against their ideas inasmuch as they kept within the confines of science. That is why copernicus was a free man and died a free man becos he kept his scientific ideas within the confines of science. Galileo had his scientific arguements freely untill his theology arguement which his opponent's sent to rome with the title "the errors of galileo". With the absence of substantial physical evidence to topple d the literal interpretation the court ruled against galileo and made him vow not to keep away from d arguement after some years galileo was silent until he obtained permission from his friend d pope to write on d two ideas geo and helicentrism. He was granted permission but warn from advocating one above the other and to bring d book 4 review b4 printing. He missed d review then printed d book in a way dat advocated helicentrism and probably insulted the pope too, dat cause a great roar in rome and galileo's friends wrote from rome to warn him dat everyone tinks he insulted d pope. Galileo wrote an apology saying he didnt mean any insult but by then he was summoned to rome to ask him why he advocated helicentrism during d lastest book, he first denied then agreed with that his suspicion on heresy became punishable and he was given house arrest with servants, visitors and sick leave. During his house arrest he researched on kenematics and wrote a book on it which earned him d title 'fada of kenimatics'. Back to ur question on y is book were placed in d index of banned books. Once a person is found guilty on suspicion of heresy his books are removed from print because of d danger dat d books may contain d said heresy. Until d book is reviewed and found ok it is removed from print. (most times d books are never reviewed). Galileo's were reviewed wen science began to find solid proof of helicentrism and his books were released. |
Joagbaje: The name is joagbaje plsthe use of word is not extreme, it is very moderate to say the least, They didn't add anything to Paul ministry.that is becos they weren't against each oda. They were teaching d same tin. He admitted the teachings of Paul were too hard. By that he knew paul had deeper revelation. That's my point.this is false, he never said paul had a "deeper revelation". He said many twist d words of paul to their own distruction. They were not under one central authority if that's your point. . Paul didn't stop his members from reading the materials of others but he must let them know who theiy are responsible to and who their spiritual father is.this is a joke, at the very least d council was a central authority. 1 Corinthians 4:15-16paul neva taught that a man is justified by faith ALONE and wen at council it was concluded to abstain from food to idol paul was quiet so d above is non seqiter We agree where' we agree , we leave the rest to God. If pastor chris won't tech in deeper life , other ministers go to his conferences to learn. Deeper life as well has their cliques of friends .all should focus on their callingsof a deeper revealation uh? The bible say there is no more new revelation. GOD HAS Skopen his word Jesus christ. The faith my bible says was "once and for all times delivered to the saints" anybody claiming another revealation is looking for trouble. |
Dear Brothers and Sisters, The Second Vatican Council, in its Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation Dei Verbum, says that the intimate truth of the revelation of God shines for us "in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation"(no. 2). The Old Testament tells us how God, after the creation, despite original sin, despite man's arrogance in wanting to take the place of his Creator, again offers the possibility of his friendship, especially through the covenant with Abraham and the journey of a small nation, that of Israel, whom he chooses not according to the criteria of earthly power, but simply out of love. It is a choice that remains a mystery and reveals God's style, who calls some not to exclude others, but so that those called will act as bridge leading to Him: election is always an election for the other. In the history of the people of Israel we can retrace the stages of a long journey in which God makes himself known, reveals himself, enters into history with words and actions. For this work He uses mediators, such as Moses, the Prophets, the Judges, who communicate his will to the people, they remind them of the need for fidelity to the covenant and keep alive the expectation of the full and definitive realization of the divine promises. And it is precisely the fulfillment of these promises that we contemplated in Christmas: God's revelation reaches its peak, its fullness. In Jesus of Nazareth, God truly visits his people, he visits humanity in a way that exceeds all expectation: he sends his only begotten Son, who becomes man, God himself. Jesus does not simply tell us something about God, he does not simply talk about the Father, because he is God, and thus he reveals to us the face of God. In the Prologue of his Gospel, John writes: "No one has ever seen God: it is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known" (Jn 1:18). I want to focus on this "revealing the face of God." In this regard, St. John, in his Gospel, relates to us a significant fact. Approaching the passion, Jesus reassures his disciples, inviting them not to be afraid and to have faith; then he initiates a dialogue with them in which he speaks of God the Father (cf. Jn 14:2-9). At one point, the apostle Philip asks Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied" (Jn 14: . Philip is very practical and concrete: he says what we, too, want to say: “we want to see, show us the Father”; he asks to "see" the Father, to see his face. Jesus' answer is an answer not only for Philip, but also for us and leads us into the heart of the Christological faith of the Church; the Lord affirms: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9). This expression contains a synthesis of the novelty of the New Testament, that novelty that appeared in the cave of Bethlehem: God can be seen, he has shown his face, he is visible in Jesus Christ.Throughout the Old Testament the theme of "seeking the face of God" is ever present, so that the Hebrew term panîm, which means "face", occurs no less than 400 times, 100 of which refer to God, it means to see the face of God. Yet the Jewish religion, by forbidding all images, since God cannot be depicted - as instead occurred among their neighbors with the worship of idols; therefore, with this prohibition of imagery, the Old Testament seems to totally exclude "seeing" from worship and piety. What does it mean then, for the pious Israelite, to seek the face of God, while recognizing that there can be no image of Him? The question is important: on the one hand, it is said that God cannot be reduced to an object, to a simple image, nor can anything be put in the place of God; on the other, however, it is affirmed that He has a face, that is, He is a "You" that can enter into a relationship, who isn't closed in his Heavens looking down upon humanity. God is certainly above all things, but he turns to us, hears us, sees and speaks, makes covenants, is capable of love. The history of salvation ishistory of God with humanity, it is the history of this relationship of God who progressively reveals himself to man, letting him see his face. Right at the beginning of the year, on January 1, we heard in the liturgy the beautiful prayer of blessing over the people: "The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. The Lord turn his face to you and give you peace" (Num. 6:24-26). The splendor of the divine face is the source of life, it is what allows us to see reality, and the light of his countenance is the guide to life. In the Old Testament there is a figure connected in a very special way to the theme of the "face of God": Moses, whom God chose to free the people from slavery in Egypt, to give them the Law of the covenant and to lead them to the Promised Land. Well, in chapter 33 of the Book of Exodus, it says that Moses had a close and confidential relationship with God: "The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as one speaks with his friend" (v. 11). By virtue of this confidence, Moses asks God: "Show me your glory," and the Lord's answer is clear: "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you the name ... But you cannot see my face, for no one shall see me and live ... Here is a place near me ... you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen "(vv. 18-23). On the one hand, then, there is the face to face dialogue as among friends, but on the other, there is the impossibility, in this life, of seeing the face of God, which remains hidden; the vision is limited. The Fathers say that these words, “you shall only see my back”, mean: you can only follow Christ and in following you see from behind the mystery of God;God can be followed seeing his back. Something new happens, however, with the incarnation. The search for the face of God undergoes an unthinkable change, because now this face can be seen: that of Jesus, the Son of God who became man. In Him the path of God's revelation finds fulfillment, which began with the call of Abraham; He is the fullness of this revelation because he is the Son of God, he is both "the mediator and fullness of all revelation" (Dogmatic Constitution Dei Verbum, 2), and in Him the content of Revelation and the Revealer coincide. Jesus shows us the face of God and makes known to us the name of God. In the priestly prayer at the Last Supper, He says to the Father: "I have made your name known to those whom you gave me from the world ... I made your name known to them" (cf. Jn 17:6,26). The expression "name of God" means God as He who is present among men. To Moses at the burning bush, God had revealed his name, had made it possible to invoke him, had given a concrete sign of his "existence" among men. All this finds fulfillment and completeness in Jesus: He inaugurates a new way of God's presence in history, because he who sees Him, sees the Father, as he says to Philip (cf. Jn 14:9). Christianity - says Saint Bernard - is the "religion of the Word of God"; not, however, "a written and mute word, but of the incarnate and living Word" (Hom. super missus est, IV, 11: PL 183, 86B). In the Patristic and Medieval traditions, a special formula is used to express this reality: Jesus is the Verbum abbreviatum (cf. Rom 9:28, referring to Isaiah 10:23), he is the short, abbreviated and substantial Word of the Father, who has told us everything about Him. In Jesus the whole Word is present. In Jesus even the mediation between God and man finds its fullness. In the Old Testament, there is a host of figures who have performed this task, particularly Moses, the deliverer, the guide, the "mediator" of the covenant, as also the New Testament defines him (cf. Gal 3:19; Acts 7:35, Jn 1:17). Jesus, true God and true man, is not simply one of the mediators between God and man, he is "the mediator" of the new and everlasting covenant (cf. Heb 8:6; 9:15, 12:24); "For there is one God", Paul says, "and one mediator between God and humankind, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim 2:5, Gal 3:19-20). In Him we see and meet the Father; in Him we can invoke God as "Abbà, Father"; in Him we are given salvation. The desire to know God truly, that is, to see the face of God, is in every man, even atheists. And we perhaps unwittingly have this desire to see simply who He is, what He is, who He is for us. But this desire is realized by following Christ, so we see his back and finally also see God as a friend, his face in the face of Christ. The important thing is that we follow Christ not only when we are in need and when we find space for it in our daily affairs, but with our lives as such.The whole of life should be directed towards encountering Him, towards loving Him; and, in it, a central place must also be given to the love of one's neighbor, that love that, in the light of the Crucified One, enables us to recognize the face of Jesus in the poor, the weak, the suffering. This is only possible if the true face of Jesus has become familiar to us in listening to His Word, in interior dialogue, in entering into this Word in such a way as to really encounter him,and naturally in the Mystery of the Eucharist. In the Gospel of St. Luke there is the significant passage of the two disciples of Emmaus, who recognize Jesus in the breaking of the bread, thought after being prepared by the journey with Him, prepared by the invitation they made Him to remain with them, prepared by the dialogue that made their hearts burn; so, in the end, they see Jesus.For us, too, the Eucharist is the great school in which we learn to see the face of God, we enter into an intimate relationship with Him, and we learn at the same time to turn our gaze towards the final moment of history, when He will satisfy us with the light of his face. On earth we walk towards this fullness, awaiting the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God. Thank you. http://www.zenit.org/article-36348?l=english |
striktlymi: ^^^amen |
HumbledbYGrace: I don't hv da energyda though neva crossed ma mind |
frosbel: ^^^no joke. |
Kay 17: Copernicus wasn't as outspoken as Galileo. A charge of heresy was drawn against Galileo before the trial in which he argued the scriptures.then u were misinformed. Galileo and his self termed pigeon league had a scriptural arguement on paper year b4 galileo's trial. Galileo's arguement was pacelled by his opponents and sent to rome that was how galileo's problem started. |
frosbel: kindly show us evidence of purgatory in the bible !1 cor 3:13-15 |
truthislight: by who?d apostles taught odas, they werent talking in d air, tradition is transmitted from one century to another, that is y paul said to hold even dat he taught by word of mouth. |
Logicboy03: The verse is there-http://m.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/wesley-explanatory-notes/deuteronomy/deuteronomy-23.html |
Bidam: The word "purgatory" sure as hell ain't biblical.very correct, neither is trinity or incanation, the words were used to denote a particular teaching. Instead of telling d long story of how those with inpefect works enter heaven, i simply use a single word, dat way d discussion isnt prolonged. Hope u understand, if not we may agree to disagree. |
turnstoner: You are an annal retentive, aren't you?You must have the last word even if you make no sense!i prefer to ignore ur implied insult. Those words were 4 kay17 and if in d line of d discussion thus far my statements make no sense i would let d words come from his lips. God bless u |
MostHigh: Did yashua son of joseph not observe the feasts and all his desciples also? I thought that would be enough for any true beleiverinterestly Jesus legal son of joseph and mary was also revolutionary, at his death all the past feast lost their significance and meaning and as d veil of d temple was torn so were d feasts abolished. That is why paul under d inspiration of d holyspirit teach clearly that those feast are not for d xtians. |
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