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beethomas: AKA Santa Claus

From the 19th century: Thomas Nast's vision of old Saint Nick.

Every December 24th millions of people are visited by a short, fat guy in a red suit. Where did he come from, why does he do it, and how does he accomplish this seemingly impossible task?

Santa Claus... Kris Kringle...Old Saint Nick... We see him on advertising posters, in parades, at departments stores...who is this guy and why does he have so many aliases? Well, the original St. Nicholas lived in southwestern Turkey in the 4th century. As the bishop of Myra he was credited with doing a number of miracles involving sailors and children. After his death this led him to become the patron saint of both groups as well as for unmarried girls. As a saint he was given his own "feast day" that was celebrated on December 6th.

At about the same time Nicholas lived, Pope Julius I decided to establish a date for the celebration of the birth of Jesus. As the actual time of year for this event was unknown, the Pope decided to assign the holiday to December 25th. There had long been a pagan midwinter festival at this time of year and the Pope hoped to use the holiday to christianize the celebrations.

Eventually, Saint Nicholas's feast day also became associated with December 25th and his connection with Christmas was established. A tradition developed that he would supposedly visit homes on Christmas Eve and children would place nuts, apples, sweets and other items around the house to welcome him. As the reformation took a hold of much of Europe, however, the popularity of St. Nicholas dropped in most Protestant countries, with the exception of Holland where he was referred to as "Sinter Klaas." After this tradition came to the United States, "Sinter Klass" would eventually be corrupted to "Sancte Claus."

ijawkid: Infact I'll have to say this.......catholics are even the protestants.............you guys abandoned completely the traditions which the apostles instigated with the help of the holy spirit and clung to fables and pagan traditions of men.......you guys are the protestants.........

y'all better go hide your idolatrous head in shame......................

If the person who used a synonymous word for the scriptures or scrolls is your problem then you seriously need help......all these questions in an effort to keep wallowing in idolatry......,smh!!!!!.....

Boomark: ^You can't rough handle me. I am invincible. If you will not resort to bringing your facts from the bulletins, then get ready to start acting childishly like italo.

Is the church Christ formed a building/house? You don't even know.

The apostles and followers of Christ are his church and they are called Christians. That is why my church is called Christians not catholic. You tell an obvious lie here if you say the apostles where called catholic church.

Go and read what the bible meant by church or body of Christ. I am a Christian not a catholic.

Lovethywilbedon: So even after I delibrately backed out to save you some shame you still have the gots to reply with garbage. OKAY NOW! I will see how far you can go with this. First of all you called yourself an "attacker" when you can't launch a single "missile" but all this while you have been trying to doudge my "Atomic Bomb" which consist of you simply making the name of you church public. Don't worry, just keep running and I will be coming after you. It is just a matter of time, I will finally get you and do to you what the US Jet Fighter did to Hiroshima and Nagasarki in the year 1945. Maybe after your encounter with me, when next you see someone else's "PANADOL" you try and stay away from it. As you can see the man suffering the headache whos medication you took is not here to help you. You said that the name of you denomination is "Christian" You know what you are?. You are a LIAR. because there is no denomination with such a name unless you are creating another denomination this night. You think you can lie your way out?. OKAY you have resorted to LIES (SIN) just to avoid stating the simple name of your denomination. So you can't defend you church?.. Okay now I understand.Your denomination must be a SHAMEFUL ONE INDEED that you prefer to SIN rather than make it public. What type of christian are you ?. So you can't defend your church or you faith?. But all these while, you hid your protestant denominational identity and have been throwing insults and abuse on Sincere Catholics who made there church public and are making wonderful attempts to defend their Church and their faith. Now that you have been singled out of the crowd for you to declear your identity, so that we can rough handle you the way you have rough handled the Catholics, guess what you did?. You resorted to LIES which is a SIN. This shows that your are ashamed to be what you are (since you said you are not a protestant) while Catholics are proud to what they are. You know what?. To save you some shame, I promise not to use the name of your denomination against you as I said before in my previous post. SO NOW CAN YOU, WIHTOUT ANY FEAR OF EVIL, DECLEAR PUBLICLY THE NAME OF YOU DENOMINATION.

truthislight: if italio is half as reasonable as you and logical as you and rational as you it will have been more of a sensible thing dicussing with him. But no!

He will not.

Just see how you opened up what he had found impossible to comprehend all this while.

scriptures as oppose to bible.

If you had not stepped in he will have continued with the "Jesus did not read bible" retort.

Boomark: The same way italo wants to force parents worship on us. Joshua was lying on his face before the ark.

You guys are looking for cheap cheap things just to hold unto idol worship. You should know with this that your church traditions has a very big question mark.

Lovethywilbedon: My friend you should'nt resort to using silly names on people just to make some cheap points. On the other hand let me test you level of SINCERITY if you can answer the following question CORRECTLY. [.....Question] WHO even gave these SCIPTURES or SCROLLS the very name ""BIBLE."" Is it the CATHOLICS or the PROTESTANTS/pentecostals?.

ijawkid: Jesus read the scriptures...........and so I do........

BARRISTERS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Quotes

"The effectiveness of rhetorical questions in argument comes from their dramatic quality. They suggest dialogue, especially when the speaker both asks and answers them himself, as if he were playing two parts on the stage. They are not always impassioned; they may be mildly ironical or merely argumentative: but they are always to some extent dramatic, and, if used to excess, they tend to give one’s style a theatrical air."

based on the above, ''playing two parts on the stage'' ''suggesting dialogue'' the rhetorical questio in Hebrews 1:5,14 in our argument comes from their ''dramatic quality'' how? jesus became better in a dramatic way! he was made a man (less than the angel) then he obtain the name that fired him over every creation 'jesus christ'
so the rhetoric drama in this case rest on verse 4 of heb 1;

Hebrews 1:4
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they

can you see that this rhetoric question is of dramatic use? you may find it hard to accept because of your mind's positioning, but thats no problem, it would be superflous if after reffering to jesus as an 'angel of covenant' in malachi 3:1 then the question 'to which of the angels did he ever say' is not ''impassioned'' but rather ''playing two parts on the stage'' and the other stage part is within the context; hebrew 1:4.


thanks for pointing this out!

DaVinChiSam: Din't say it was worshipped now did I? Was just flowing with the topic brah

Kay 17: For the very fact that the Church expected Galileo to seek biblical approval with his views is against Science. Imposition of religious authority over Science.

italo: My friend, all I'm telling you is to worship the almighty God alone. Don't bow to your parents and worship them. Don't have them pray for you, go to God directly. Don't kneel to your Bible and pray to it. It is not God.

Flee from this idolatry!

Ijawkid, don't say I didn't warn you.

ijawkid: Italo did nothing but spew rubbish......

He said ""reading the bible"" means worshipping the bible.....meaning Jesus who read from the book of the law also worshipped the bible.......

You dey see how yeye your colleagues(italos) conclusion is??........

You both should go hide your heads in shame for engaging in arrant idolatry......

ijawkid: My brother I dey o.....I just dey try round up with this NYSC wahala.........how u dey na??...how your people??

bbporsche: people it is CHRISTMAS not Xmas

Don't cancel Christ out of Christmas!

@op; hapu dat thing and always remember that Jesus is the reason for the season not even santa claus

majosh: Both are based on PAGAN TRADITIONS.

Timflex: Some people might want to feel indifferent...how can a church which advocates for christmas be the right one?..for e.g if u had a glass of water..and its 20% poison and 80% water..would you drink it?Note:falsehood no matter how small can never mix with "good" and still be termed as good. Think about that..the true religion must base its entire teaching on the bible giving no room for compromise not even 1%....thats the honest truth..christmas does not in anyway reflect christlike qualities..instead atrocities of the greatest nature are committed on that day...even pope john paul said when he was alive that christmas is not biblical.so you can imagine..tnx be to Jehovah by means of his spirit directed organisation for showing me the truth..*its funny when people see the truth and engage in self-deceit*the right thing is always the right thing to do no two ways..bad is bad

ijawkid: You have to start telling your kids that the xmas celebration is a HOAX and that Jesus wasn't born on dec 25th and that santa is has no relationship with Jesus......be truthful to and honest with your kids.......

booqee: wtf?! Did u really have to quote the whole thing?! Damn!

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR. IT IS IN THE BIBLE ABOUT XMAS CELEBRATION AND XMAS TREE. THIS WAS WRITTEN BY JEREMIAH ABOUT THE HEATHENS, WHICH THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE WAS THE EMPIRE IN CHARGE OF THE WORLD WHEN JEREMIAH WROTE HIS PART OF THE BIBLE, AND WASNT NO GENTILE EMPIRE BEFORE THAT. THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN EMPIRE WAS THE FIRST GENTILE EMPIRE. SO OF COURSE JEREMIAH WAS SPEAKING ABOUT NIMROD

XMAS TREE >>>>>> JEREMIAH 10 VS 2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
<<<< XMAS TREE IN THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE <<<< THIS SHYTTT GO WAY BACK

Oahray: #smh. Its different when we tell them its a celebration of christ, tell them God hates lies, then turn around and teach them to believe lies and spread it.
Makes no bit of sense.

Maxymilliano: The only correlation between Christmas and Santa is that Christmas, just like Santa has roots firmly enmeshed in pagan ideology, and Christianity itself is an offshoot of paganism for anyone who care to know.

ijawkid: And I said I don't.....I only read the bible............

You think saying all this would justify your indulgence in idolatry....??.........

Wait until Jesus comes to meet y'all worshipping marys image and using the rosary(prayer beads).....you'll have to tell Jesus if he instituted buddhism or christianity.....

Rubbish!!!!!.........

Boomark: Am glad you can now see how you have been acting. Accusing people of worshiping their pastors, church fathers and parents as an excuse to keep worshipping idol. That is very childish.

ijawkid: I said using BEADs in worship is idolatry......

Its like you've not been paying attention......

Isn't your rosary made up of BEADs??.......

No make me talk too much o........

ijawkid: I said using BEADs in worship is idolatry......

Its like you've not been paying attention......

Isn't your rosary made up of BEADs??.......

No make me talk too much o........

Boomark: what special about catholic? If they are worshipping God then you will talking about them being special. I wonder who will envy idol worshipers.

Did you read page 10 before posting? We are rebuking idol worship my brother.

plappville: If you like hold history tightly to validate your belief that is you. What am saying is that, Christ Church was built on the very day The *Holy Spirit decended from heaven* The day know in the scripture as *PENTICOST* it did not say penticostal, protestant, catholic etc etc......but on the day of *PENTICOST* Christ church was born, not after.

Boomark: You will soon ask me if the plate Christ ate from is an idol.

Those images you pope/bishop offer incense to are idols. The images you kneel and bow to are idols. Those images which may represent the image of lucifer and some opportunistic demons you use as a prayer aid are idol. I have told you, the Holyspirit should be your aid.

Stop the proliferation of idol worship.