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truthislight: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24).

u neva disappoint me, ofcux u have started throwing scriptures around.

seriallink: ^^^^

@Italo,

So anyone who knowingly reject some Catholic teachings and doctrines because they are not scriptural is doomed? Smh!!! I wonder why those doctrines weren't written down in the scripture if they were truly inspired by the holy spirit!

Why would you say my accusation was a lie? Were you there when I was creating the thread? Did you know what pushed me into creating that thread? C'mon stop being childish!

So, you want to tell me that what your Catholic brother striktlymi posted weren't good enough for you? Oh, I guess that was because the facts he presented weren't uniform with your idea of 'The Holy Roman Catholic Church being the only true Church' huh? Well, that's understandable!!

It seems Mr. Ube supported your idea which explains why you seconded his post. I have replied to his post and waiting for his response.

I'm not trying to force you leave your Church doctrines or anything. But you have to get the message and stop deluding youself that the 'Holy Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church'. By saying that, you've already condemned other denominations/Christians. Are you the righteous judge to know that Christ will pick only from your supposedly 'Only True Church'?

Lets leave it at that. I have made my point. Just know that anytime you say your Church is the 'only true church', you've already condemned other christians; meaning, you've already judged on behalf of the Almighty God!

d question i alway ask, where is it written dat all doctrine must be in d bible?

chasy16: I agree with u. Italo is another sentimental thrash. Claiming catholic is the only true church is phucking annoying.

it only annoys u because u cant say same 4 u denomination.

Boomark: will your church agree to gather with the Christians so we can thrash out idol worship from their brain?

old news! Ask enigma to teach u abt d 7th ecumenical council, if he know abt it. I doubt u will accept what i say!

plappville: [size=14pt]Pplease tell him/her ooooo..... This Popeitalo get serious problem ooo [/size]

and plapp is also ignorant of d historic creeds! How can protestants still claim to b historic christian wen dey cant even trace their roots?

Enigma: I imagine the Holy Spirit inspired one "pope" to say “We declare, state, define and pronounce that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff.” Yet He inspires the Roman Catholic Church to contradict that "pope"; even yet He inspires the Roman Catholic Church to say that "pope" was infallible and that statement is infallible ---- yet He inspires the Roman Catholic Church to contradict it. Yeah, right; thank you very much sir.



Even after that the different groups still had different practices (e.g. Jews and Gentile groups); it did not prevent them from being one in Christ and all part of the one body of Christ.



1. I have already given you the example of the church that met in the house of Prisca and Aquilla; and also the church that met in the house of Philemon.*

2. I give you two more examples: (a) Romans 16:23 - "Gaius, whose hospitality I and the whole church here enjoy, sends you his greetings."; (b) Luke 9: 49“Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” 50“Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

3. Most importantly are you telling us that Jesus was lying or was a "joker" when He said "where two or three are gathered in My name, there I am in the midst of them."?




1. Jesus is the only Head of the Church. Any other person claiming or being called by that title ---- is false.

2. I am not interested in "denominations" as such and even less so what you refer to as "so-called denominations".

3. The Roman Catholic Church is a denomination and one of the "so-called denominations".

4. The aggrandisement and fraud of the Roman Catholic Church prevents the possibility of a truly ecumenical council now; which is why it is holding its own councils like Trent etc and if it likes it can deceive itself that things like Trent etc are "ecumenical".



* EDIT I also previously gave the example of the Ethiopean eunuch --- he did not stop being a member of the body of Christ or of the Church of Christ even when it was him alone.

intarasting! Do u mind xplaining no4?

Enigma: Very good point! When people place an organisation above Christ Himself, then it is legitimate to wonder.

dis is more intarasting! Does dis mean dat enigma is ignorant of d historic creed so he cant even recognise it?

Enigma: Anything you like you can play, that one does not concern me after your last post addressed to me.

Now to the point: the Church of Christ does not "contradict" itself.

Rather, organisations and denominations like the Roman Catholic Church, Koboko Ministry, Power Must Change Hands Ministry etc etc etc etc are the ones contradicting each other.

The members of the body of Christ may have different understandings of certain issues e.g. the Council of Jerusalem having to address some matters (and which still did not mean that different groups even at that time had uniform practices), Paul having to confront Peter, Paul himself facing charges of hypocrisy etc. Nevertheless, the body of Christ, the Church of Christ ---- remains united by the One Holy Spirit and by their One Lord. Simples.

here is d difference, paul could accuse peter of a seemingly wrong practice not of a wrong doctrine. The church christ established had conformity in doctrine dat is y d council of jerusalem was convocked, to proclaim "thus is what it is". Ur idea of d church of christ with contradictory doctrine is an illusion!

seriallink: The bolded makes me wonder if the Church being discussed is a cult or something?? Smh!!!

Is the question not supposed to be 'do you believe in God Almighty and the sacrifice of His son for your salvation?'. Why must it be about believing in a Church for salvation? What if the Church leaders erred? He should just follow in their footsteps like sheeple without asking questions?

Salvation is an individual thing and it comes only through believing in God and the sacrifice of His son for our sins and living the Christ-like life! Shikena!!!

how would you knowc this is among d reason y i cant associate protestanism with history christianity. The above show an interesting ignorance of the historic creeds, mayb enigma knows dem and can xplain.

Boomark: You have to apologise to me for calling me a lier. I said i am invincible not invisible. Have you seen how you are lying an innocent me? ;( Also show me where i said you called the apostles the catholic church. Italo and ubenedictus are notorious in twisting another persons comment. Now you have joined them in their notoriousity.

now this is uncharitable! I dont twist pipo comments! And hey wu made u judge! U were d one wu said predestination isnt biblical right?

Enigma: @ italo

The Roman Catholic Church (aka 'The Catholic Church') is just another denomination; it is not the Church or "the one true Church" founded by Christ.

The real one true Church founded by Christ is the Church of Christ aka the Christian Church aka the universal Church aka the catholic Church.


The real one true Church founded by Christ which is the catholic Church has members in the Anglican Church, the Lutheran Church, the Baptist Church, the Evangelical Church the Pentecostal Church etc etc and even includes people who do not belong to any denomination.


The real one true Church founded by Christ is even found where just two or three are gathered in Jesus' name.

so u mean christ found all d churches dat started in d 16th century how funny, christ lived in d 1st century. Again how come d so called worldwide church u claim christ founded have very contradictory teachings! It seem u are saying christ failed. Sorry but protestanism isnt history christainity and if protestanism isn't then penticostalism doesnt stand a chance

I promise a correction bt d holiday took my time so i'll give dem anyway

Enigma: When Ignatius, who was not a Roman Catholic,

be careful, ignatuis wasn't in rome, he was d bishop of antioch! And he wrote dat d roman see presided in love ove d whole church! And up till today d church of antioch is still presided over by d roman see! And d successor of ignatuis is presided by d bishop of rome as was ignatius!

coined the expression "catholic", he did not mean it as a denomination at all. He was trying to highlight the oneness of the Church; and he meant by catholic essentially universal.

i totally agree! He was highlighting d oneness of d church! That is y anyone wu didnt abide by dat onenes was considerd a heretic and schimatic

It is a pity that Roman Catholics reject this original meaning of catholic; that they dissociate themselves from the catholic Church, which is the universal Church, in order to advance their very very sad denominationalism!

this is a fairytale! Wen ignatuis used d word catholic church he was refering to those wu held d onedoctrine of christ, all wu didnt weren't called catholics but instead name after d heresy they follow!

It is true that about 200-250 years after Ignatius coined the word catholic with its original meaning, a particular appropriation of the word took place particularly in the time of Theodosius (and Damasus); even that does not compare with the misuse of the word today.

u haven't shown how d word is misused today, did ignatuis or damascus call heretic catholics? Pls ansa! If dey didnt den y shuld catholics do so?

As for the other denominations (other than Roman Catholic), each has its own problems including shortcomings on both orthodoxy and orthopraxy. So no one is perfect. It may appear paradoxical that the Church in its different faces or denominations has all these problems. Yet we need to bear a number of things in mind: the warnings from Jesus Himself and from the apostles that wolves etc will come into and be inside the Church! Second, even as for Christians who are trying to do right, there is one thing we must remember: one can only do it if one constantly submits to the Holy Spirit. I think this is where we miss it and this is a very significant cause of all these our difficulties.

As for the private jet people, many of the leaders practising and teaching these things may not even be Christians at all; or at best, what they are practising is not Christianity even if they are honest but genuinely mistaken. Unfortunately, their followers are too blinded by bling, desire or even greed to be concerned to pay attention to the not very hard to understand teachings of Jesus and the apostles on subjects like that. I don't think anyone who reads, understands and tries to be guided by 1 Timothy 6 will have difficulties seeing the private jet fad for the worldy nonsense that it all is.

i don't have a problem wit d above, but it would be gud 4 u to learn how d word "catholic" was used by d early xtians, it was never used to describe a heretic or anyone wu held false doctrines!
Peace

Logicboy03: Lies..........a christian resorting to lies when faced with an argument debunking the faith.

I would like to know how your pastor successfully constructed a discussion around the fact that God did not lik disabled people preaching


Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose
male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
.

read again, that isn't about a disability, it is abt castration! And yeah God pretty much had a problem with d practice.

Boomark: @true2god

You are accusing jws of not following a doctrine you want them to follow. If they had to change their doctrine tomorrow, will it change the things you will learn from this thread which is focused on getting the truth from the scripture.

Barristers wanted to start something with frosbel by reasoning from the scripture. You appear from no where and started your jws this and that thing. We know that were you want to support from the scripture has finished, don't worry, frosbel has lots of them. Just follow frosbel and don't mention jw. And barristers, no AG thing.

now some sense

chukwudi44 is a good example of a someone that speaks atimes without thinking. Also a good example of his church people that call themselves Christians while insulting people like tomorrow no dey.

and is this d award winner for d most charitable comment abt another? I dont tink so!

BARRISTERS: @true2God

Note pls the changes that your church (assemblies of God) are responsible for;

[size=14pt]they prophecied 1917[/size] for the end to come,in that The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)

they later changed in the later edition to [size=14pt]1934 and 1935 [/size]respctively; (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3)

who is guilty of changing predictions and doctrines now, true2God, answer me! can you see how you could easily fall into what you accuse someone with?

and by the way you were busy throwing missiles with an accusation that has no relevance to the topic during the course of proving that jesus is the Archangel micheal, you never contributed, but just to distract,you will skip like 10 pages and just peep through the window and say something,off you go again, the pages kept increasing to such an extent that you dont even know the page that you were beign named or dubbed 'a she'! and to your surprise, we were able to get the conclusion,many honest ones agreed, not about winning argument,but to the glory of God, no one is a monopoly of knowledge,but how can one discribe an unfocused entity like you? so, i have to make you eat your vommit by showing you that on pg 20, you actually admmitted worshiping and a bonafide member of 'the assemblies of God church' but you seemed not to have check their embarrassing past,and if you do,are you not a hypocryte? anyway as im ready to load you. note this pls;

im sure that you will not be able to answer these changes in predictions for your church!

nw u guys a busy bashing each other about all you failed prophesy wow! I would rather not talk abt dat on dis thread! U shuld get back to topic.

BARRISTERS: @chukwudi44
you ran away when it matters most in page 7-11, your church cannot settle 3 billion dollars suits due to your priests evil practices, 8 doiceese got their bankruptcy loan after using all churchs fund including 'appeasing purgatory death's fund' thereby abandoning catholics menbers deads in the purgatory, what an evil?

sorry pal, there is nothing like appeasing purgatory death's fund! To people like you Jesus said "he wu is without sin suld be d first to throw da stone". And thank God sumtin is being done to settle d vitims of d scandal and no one is saying d church isn't responsible 4 d elders.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



so, Morris Cerullo an ordained Assembly of God Minister and a questionable Healing Evangelist is in 'scandal'? what a pity? but he is not beign brainwashed, so why is an assembly of God (where true2God can die for) an 'ordained minister for that matter' by a so called holy spirit be a fraud, and nobody is challenging him, but he is MILKING THE GULIBLE Assembly of God CHURCH CHAIII! 3 PRIVATE JETS, and true2God will be here condemnning tithe pastors for owning jets,although i do not support tithe fraud but for hypocryte true2God who was shamed by his pastors, let him cover his face in shame,cover your face in shame true2God


true2God, you never speaketh the truth, judas is just one of jesus apostles, but a fraudulent church like (assembly of GoD) LETS SEE MANY FRAUDULENT MINISTERS WHICH CANNOT BE LIKENED TO JUDAS, BUT A PLAGUE IN THE CHURCH

SEE FRAUDUENT LIST OF TRUE2GOD'S CHURCH FRAUDSTERS;

John Harris,
Morris Cerullo,
Jim Bakker,
Jimmy Swaggart
and
Karl Strader
are only the tip of the iceberg of many[b] scoundrels in the Assembly of God denomination who use the sheep for their own gain.

Then we have others like Dr. Henry J. Lyons,
Billy Ned
and Franklin to name a few.

TRUE2GOD,....CAN YOU ANSWER THE FRAUDULENT CASES OF THESE FRAUDSTERS ONE BY ONE AS I WILL HIT YOU WITH THEIR FRAUDS?

this is a bit childish!!! And yeah judas was known to convert d apostle purse 4 personal use. Beside, i believe even where u worship dirt would be found unles ofcourse it started sum months ago! Try a matured approach

true2god: Human scandals are individualistic, no country of organization or church, or family or race is completely free from scandals. If all the disciples of Jesus are evil because we have a Judas among dem den i doubt the way u examine things.

Barristers pasted a long column of scandal commited by a man or some at Asseblies of God church hence his benchmark for accessing the general lifestyle of the church and its doctrine. Is dat logical frm ur point of view? I hav fellowshiped with JW, hav u been to assemlies of God church before?

This thread is not opened to castigate an organization but to see scriptures concerning an issue of which 98% of the christian world says Jehova's witness is wrong (with supports of the bible) and ur only defense is to castigate another church. If you want me to open a thread on all the scandals going on, and had happend in JW, i will, but dat makes me immature. Tho' it's all over the internet.

Happy new yr all the same, tho' u see the event as a pagan event, all the same i wish u a happy 2013 (cos whether u like it or not u must use the 'pagan' calender system)

gud points!
But actually d present calender is 'pagan'. It was launch by pope gregory that is why it is called "d gregorian calender. The greatest pacel of work on d calender was done by dennis a monk, not a pagan!!!
Please i do appreciate objectivity as compared to fairytales that see pagan in everything.

chukwudi44: Bunchh of deluded fools.Even the useless op is more deluded than the the idiotic watch tower guys? Where on earth was Jesus described as an angel? Moronic human elements.

Heb 1:5 says he is far superior to angels so get a life retards

hey man calm down, mayb ya need to have a talk with st jerome. He almost argued like u, he made clear point but he had a love for truth and hate 4 lies that made it very hard for him to not insult his opponent, that was a flaw in his virtue. Take a little time to examine his life, i blive we all have a lot to learn from him! Again calm down pal, wen u fill d urge to insult say an ejaculatory prayer like "im all urs o lord" or mayb d psalm dat say "lord place a guard ova my mouth as sentry at d door of my lips". It helps. Peace bro.

To all on d thread happy new year! For those wu celebrate xmax i wish u all d blessing of a true advent of christ. For those who dont, i hope you were able to spend time with family and loved ones! I'm sorry if i didnt ansa d question directed to me on p29, i took a break from d internet so i can renew d bounds with family. It's a bit crazy dat d thread is 41 pgs long though. Wow!
Peace folks

Enigma: Jesus Christ established "The Church". He did not establish The Roman Catholic Church (aka 'The Catholic Church'); or the Pentecostal Church, or the Anglican church, or the Baptist Church; or the Methodist Church; or "Power Must Change Hands Ministry", or "Koboko Ministry".

or so because "the church" was named catholic church that means it is no longer d church christ establish abi? That is a strawman.

That is no 1 strawman, i will addres d rest later

Boomark: That is why he rebuked idol worshipers "deeperly."

hahaha, i remember a proverb, agama agama fell from d top of d iroko, looked both sides a no one praised him, he nod his head and praised him self. E no easy

Boomark: Are you saying that catholic used the remains of the apostles to lay the foundation of their church building in Rome sa as to fulfil what he said "on this rock i will build my church." this is illiteracy.
Sorcery and rituals are now being unveiled. When Obadiah777 said it i thought he was joking.

i thought u had at least a little bible sense to piece my comment together, but d above shows a fatal flaw in ur comprehension. So mayb i shuld give it to u in milk form. Wen i said yeah God built a building, the church, i was refering to 1 cor 3:7, the apostles as foundation was a direct ref to eph2:20. So learn to open ur head and think before u begin to type and dont give anyone a reason to call u dumb!

And lastly d remains weren't used to build house of worship instead the early xtians built houses of worship upon d grave of each apostle, both to safeguard it and to symbolise d spiritual by d material.
I wont be suprised if u dont undastand.

I can't be a catholic because am not deluded to practice idolatry.

you cant be a catholic becos u are interested in ur untruth.

Lovethywilbedon: You see! That proves my point that you are A LIER. You said that you are "INVISIBLE". That is a "BIG LIE". No human being is invisible. It is a lie for you to say that you are "invisible". As a matter of fact, this is the second lie you have posted just to avoid telling us the name of you SHAMEFUL denomination. I still don't understand the type of christian you claim to be. A christian who prefer to SIN by lieing just to avoid stating the name of his/her church. You reported that I said that ""the apostles were called catholic church."" Guess what?. THAT IS ANOTHER "LIE" I didn't say that. Show me a post where I did. What I said is that "the church founded on the Pentecost day latter (after some time) became known as the Catholic Church". That is seen in the reply I gave to [plappville(f)]. Go back and read it for yourself. So even after I promise not to use the name of your church against you when ahead to tell 2 more lie. So far you have told 3 lies and that still proves my point that you are a lier. I don't know what you are even afraid of that you resoted to use LIES, except if this you is "REALLY A SHAMEFUL ONE INDEED". Okay let me make you anothe promise. "I Promise to Stop Coming After You With My "'ATOMIC BOMB'" once you declear publicly the name of your Church". SO ONCE AGAIN CAN YOU WITHOUT THE FEAR OF ANY EVIL DECLEAR PUBLICLY THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH. I Just hope that this won't be an opportunity to tell more LIES.

u have started making unuseful arguement! I dont see y u are picking out his word "invisible" stick to d stuff at hand.

sylve11: Italo I dey shame for u. Ijawkid just finished u and all u could do's constant repetition of words. Sorry to say, I am catholic and same time a christian, but when matters like 'Catholics worship Idols surfaces, I keep quiet and never speak a word'. If u can answer some of ijawkid's questions, then this whole protestant vs catholic would have been over. As a catholic, I don't support the idea of bowing down to Mary whom I don't even know her looks; the rest of my brethren can crucify me for saying this but I don't care. If the bible was compiled by catholic, then where's it in the bible we should bow before Mary's image? Ijawkid made valid points even though I don't take side with his doctrine. Ur questions are annoying. If Ijawkid and the rest of the protestant or pentecostal bow to worship their bible, that is their own cup of tea. Infact the way Christianity is going now, I don't truly _stand who are the true Christians anymore. God of the heavens and Christ Your Son I believe in. Private jets flying all around in the name of Christ.; as for who came 1st or 2nd is non of ma business, my only question is ' what is happening to Christianity as a body' or religion? *sad*

d reason y u dont care if ijawkid is kneel b4 his bible is becos u dont recognise hypocrisy, d reason u aren't seeing scripture passage is because u dont how far abt italo and ijawkid's arguement. If reason u dont agree with d cath. Church is because u dont undastand her teachings.

donmatin: The bible says if day do not speak according to the law and the prophet its cus ders no truth in dem,also it says if u lovve me keep my commandments and 1 may be tempted to say what commandments,certainly it has to be the 10commandments.b4 u get to zealous and say the commandment is dat,james said d same 1 dat told u not to steal commanded thee also not to kill.if u keep all and leave 1 u are guilty of all,so if day do not keep the seventhday holy,the sabbath of the most high God,its cus ders no truth in dem.so the catholic dusnt represent the Church of God

if ya want to keep d sabbat go and become a jew! And if that is ur criteria then wow! It seem st paul may have a word for u col 2:16-17, well according to d bible, it seems i shuldnt allow u condemn me becos of ur shabbat!! Hmm jew!

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]its ok brothers take it easy............humans make mistakes

lets continue with the topic in good spirit.. [/quote]nah probs!

advocate666: Galileo didn't "go into the scriptures" as you said. Galileo was a university professor and was teaching people that the sun was at the centre of the solar system. The church, which believed that it was the earth, didn't like it.

unfortunately, galileo did engage his opponents-d ones he called "d pigeon league"_ in a bible arguement even after a friend was said to have warned him saying "stay off d sacristy". If he had kept his arguement out of d sacristy his ideas wouldnt have been condemned as heresy, and in his later years galileo would identify "d begining" of his woes as writting d book where he insulted the pope.

Kay 17: And the subject of the scriptural dispute was obviously astronomy, right?

yep

And the Church took a position against Galileo's,

yes

proving that the ideals of Christianity is against Galileo's ideas and its likes.

i dont know how u jumped from a to c, that a position was taken against Galileo's ideas doesn't neccesaryly imply that christianity in general or catholicism in particular is against galileo's ideas talk less of "its likes".
The judgement against galileo's ideas in 1616 though unfortunate and misguided was to shield the populance from what was consider uncertain hypothesis which challenged d literal reading of scripture without proof, while his house arrest was supposed to be a punishment for breaking his promise to card. Bella. among other things

advocate666: lies.

mr kay is entitled to his opinions! You accuse me of lying even wen u haven't proven it. That is called baseless accusation.

Boomark: That is too cheap to make me a scapegoat. Joshua lay on his face and never worshipped an idol.

hahaha, earlier u said joshua worshipped an idol now u are saying he didnt!
So joshua lay on his face b4 a graven image but didnt worship abi? But if a catholic ever lay on his face b4 any picture or image, it will become idolatry? Do i smell hypocrisy?

Boomark: Don't you see italo is being childish by repeating "stop worshipping your bible" everywhere? Is it because you Guys don't read your bible then other wount read. Don't you know the apostles encouraged reading and meditating on the word of God written in the bible?

d exact same way u have been screaming "stop worshipping...", i dont see d difference btw ur accusation and his!

Pastor AIO: I believe there are 2 parts to this thread of 'The worst bible Translation' at the moment.

There is the matter of how Logos is to be rendered in English.

Then there is the matter of whether it is valid to render John 1:1 and the Logos was 'a god' as opposed to the Logos was God.

The age of the debate about Coptic translations has no bearing on the validity of it. You can't say it's an old matter so it is not pertinent. It is like in school in 9ja, you see a guy with a book he stole. You ask him where he got the book. He answers,' I've had it a long time'. Who asked him how long he's had it? What was asked was where he got it?

The Copts being trinitarians has nothing to do with the validity of the translation. I myself believe in the Trinity (beyond stating that it is not something that I want to go into on NL). That does not contradict the rendering of the word as 'a god'.

I'm sniping these days on NL cos of time. I'll have to come back and fill in my argument later.

mayb wen u are chanced u can go into d criteria of interpretation!