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Boomark: Loving Christ no be for mouth. Burn every idol in your possession. That is when you will show him that you love him. Keep his commandment of worshipping God in truth and in spirit, that is when you are showing him your love. You can't serve two masters at a time: Christ and idol.

I told you to look deep into any of the idols in your possession and you will see lucifer staring at you. Have you done that?

Who am i worshipping? Just gather all those pastors, your church fathers including the pope and i will rebuke them wherever they err.

obadiah777: ITS THE TRUTH RUTH.

obadiah777: BRAH, YOU CANNOT GET WRITTEN DOWN HISTORIC PROOF. THIS WAS THE FIRST GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH AFTER THE FLOOD. WE ARE TALKING A GOOD 6000 TO 10,000 YEARS AGO. EVERY TRADITION THEN WAS PASSED DOWN ORALLY AND THEY STAYED AND STUCK WITH THE PEOPLE EVER SINCE. THE FIRST GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH ( THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN UNDER NIMROD ) LAID DOWN THE GROUNDWORK AND FOUNDATION FOR ALL THE PAGAN RITUAL AND TRADITION YOU SEE TODAY. YOU WANT IT IN A BOOK ? CANT HELP YA. HOWEVER GOOGLE IS YA FRIEND

ijawkid: The use of rosary in worship isn't a mystery...its outright idolatry and paganism.....you are just like the buddhist and muslims that use beads in worship...........

How can you pray to God through the use of ""BEADs"".!??...and you call that mystery??........

You need to get your "CRANIA" checked.......

Enigma: Not intending to re-open or engage in any (further) debate; I just think the post below made elsewhere should also really be here in relation to the points about translation of 'logos' as 'Word'.

https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity/1#13346320

From the Epistle to Diognetus (Mathetes; using Lightfoot translation; other English translations similarly use 'the Word')

obadiah777: GOOGLE IS YA FRIEND >>>>> http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/682535672/item/

ijawkid: Which christians if I may ask??..........

obadiah777: ALL TRANSLATIONS EMERGED FROM THE KJV, SO WHOMEVER TRANSLATED THE KJV TO THE OTHER VERSIONS, TWO TIMES OUT OF TEN WAS JUST COMING OUT OF HIS OR HER OWN VAIN OPINIONS. HAVE YOU SEEN ALL THE TRANSLATIONS OUT THERE ? SOME OF THEM CHANGE THE VERSE UP SO MUCH THAT IT DOES NOT EVEN MEAN THE SAME THING AGAIN.

obadiah777: MY JUMPING SKILLS ? I SEE YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING THAT SAPELE WATER AGAIN

Kay 17: The conclusion is: church stood in the way of science and progress.

Kay 17: The conclusion is: church stood in the way of science and progress.

Boomark: I am not a protestant. Things i stand for are in those links i showed you. A protestant should be in a better position to state their advantages and disadvantages for you.

Why not view how catholics are believing in obvious lies formulated by satan. It you have truth in you you will drop every idol in your possession after reading them.

plappville: This is the tradition we are not to accept. You can´t do better than the Scripture can you?

Boomark: Whether divine nature or undivine nature, there no two ways to idol worship. Besides, is Christ not divine? Why do you make his image? Do you know how he looks? Does he appear like all the different images of him in the catholic church?

Deut 5:8
English Standard Version
(©2001)
“‘You shall not make for
yourself a carved image,
or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven
above, or that is on the
earth beneath, or that is
in the water under the
earth.

No escape my brother, idol worship is idol worship. It is clearly written.
Stop fighting on behalf of lifeless images. Serve the living God in spirit and in truth.

Boomark: in·ter·cede.
1. To plead on another's
behalf.
2. To act as mediator in a
dispute.

Infact all your quotes above belongs to me. Because you didn't see where i said man pray for man in my post. See is here bolded:

Man pray for man. The
Holyspirit is the only perfect
spirit that intercede for man. No
Mary spirit or st Pauls spirit is
needed.

Now what you have to look for is where the spirit of Mary, Paul etc where asked to pray/intercede for man. The one that is clearly written i have shown you is that of the Holyspirit spirit.

And you have to be careful when ever you are calling me or my posts silly/dumb, because i like making the dumbee the dumb.

obadiah777: NEITHER DID HE SIGN IT INTO THE BIBLE THAT PEPPERSOUP AND GUINESS IS HELLA NICE. WHATS YA POINT BRUV

advocate666: Not imagination at all. Many books have been written about him. Some even call him the son of their god.

obadiah777: AHHH I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM NOW. HOWEVER THIS IS BIBLICAL WAY OF PULLING OUT A SITUATION AND THEN SPEAKING ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, UBENEDICTUS ARE VERY HUNGRY, A SKILLED WRITER COULD SAY SOMETING LIKE ' AND A MONSTER CAME OUT OF HIM AND BELLOWED AND GROWLED. AND THE MONSTER WAS RESTLESS BECAUSE IT CRAVED SUSTAINANCE. THE MONSTER REGURGITATED ACID AND BILE IN DEFIANCE OF DEFICIENCY' <<<<< SEE HOW THAT WORKS ? THAT IS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT YOU BEING HUNGRY, HOWEVER IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE SPEAKING OF SOME CRAZED MONSTER WHEN IN FACT WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR DESIRE TO EAT. THIS IS HOW THE KJV IS POETICALLY AND EQUISITELY PUT TOGETHER. SO MANY SITUATIONS ARE EXTRACTED OUTSIDE OF ITSELF AND SPOKEN OFF AS IF IT IS A SEPARATE ENTITY.

DaVinChiSam: Benin Mask

Kay 17: @ube
Ur quote:
d trial of galileo was more sciency than dogmatic, galileo and other scientist had an arguement and d oda guys brought d bible as proof, galileo used a quote from augustine and said scriptures shuldn't be taken literally.
It follows that Church interpretation of the Bible at that time was contrary to Galileo's scientific views, and its evident that it was Bible verses that stood in the way of Galileo's progressive views. What punitive measures taken by the Church against Galileo are the Church's decisions and they take responsibility for it.

lamdec: Pls,i beg don't even start, why are you turning words around, you said that PETER was the FIRST pope and that he was never married and I quoted that scripture for you. So why is your temperature getting high suddenly.

And I have spoken with α̲̅ wide range of Catholics including PRIEST and they told •̸Ϟﻉ that only the Pope or some sect of Priest are allowed to speak in tongues, and all I a̶̲̥̅̊ṁ̭̥̈̅̄ advocating for is that If Peter was truly the first pope, why is ΐt̶̲̥̅̊ that you guys don't speak in tongues, even Paul encouraged us to speak in tongues.

As touching marriage, Jesus and Paul even though not married were the two people who talked extensively on Marriage and they NEVER made ΐt̶̲̥̅̊ α̲̅ rule that If you are going to lead the Lord's people you should not marry.
Paul told Timothy in 1st Timothy 3 vs 2......A bishop must be α̲̅ HUSBAND of ONE WIFE

obadiah777: THEY ARE BOTH PAGAN RITUALS INITIATED BY THE REAL BLACK AFRICANS. THE INITIATOR IS AN ETHIOPIAN FELLOW BY THE NAME OF NIMROD. HIS BIRTHDAY IS DECEMBER 25 AND WHEN HE DIED THEY MADE A TREE FOR HIM IN WHICH THEY HUNG SILVER AND GOLD ORNAMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED HIS SPIRIT WAS IN THE TREE. THE TREE TODAY IS CALLED XMAS TREE AND THE GUYS BIRTHDAY IS CELEBRATED AS XMAS. HE WAS AN ANCIENT ETHIOPIAN ( BABYLONIAN ), THE FIRST MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THIS WORLD AND THE FIRST KINGDOM ON EARTH. NIMROD.

SANTA IS A GUY NAMED ST NICHOLAS WHO WENT AROUND GIVING KIDS PRESENT ON XMAS. SO THEY CHANGED HIS NAME TO SANTA CLAUS AND ANYONE WHO BROUGHT PRESENTS TO KIDS ON XMAS WAS CALLED SANTA CLAUS WHICH IS REALLY ST NICHOLAS.

ALL HEATHEN TRADITIONS. NOTHING BIBLICAL

striktlymi: Good morning,
You asked two questions:
1) Connection between Santa and Christmas.
2) Scriptural backing of Christmas.

I will address the second question first.

There is no where in sacred scriptures where you would find the word "Christmas" just like there is no where you would find the word "Bible", "Car", "Private jet", "M.asturbation" etc. I will like you to understand that not everything is written down explicitly in sacred scriptures. If one choose to believe only what is written in sacred scriptures then it would mean that owning a private jet is wrong and unscriptural. But this is not true. Christmas has its roots in sacred tradition. If you do your research you would find out that, 25th December was a day set aside by some pagans for the worship of the "Sun god". With the advent of Christianity and in order to turn the people's heart from the worship of this pagan festival. The church decided to replace it with the veneration of the Son of God instead. Hence d commemoration of the birth of Jesus on the 25th of December.

Your first question should be answered by the following:

Santa Claus today originated from St. Nicholas, but the derivation of the Santa Claus story comes from many sources. In fact, since the Catholic church in 1969 demoted St. Nicholas from his official saintly status ~ as there were no records of his having been canonized ~ the original legend of this third century Turkish bishop is not very widely recognized as part of our Christmas celebration.

Nicholas was born into a wealthy family living in Patera, in the south of Turkey. Legend claims that on the church's fast days, Wednesdays and Fridays, the infant Nicholas nursed only after sundown.

Just one of many stories demonstrating his holy reputation is about an angel who appeared to the cardinal appointing a new bishop for the Turkish town of Mira, with a face bright like the sun, who told the cardinal to ordain the 30-year old Nicholas.

Through his priesthood in the early Christian faith, even while alive he came to be recognized for his generosity to all those in trouble. In his good-doing role as priest, one story tells of Nicholas, who took pity on a girl in his parish whose family had no dowry. Had Nicholas not intervened, this would have prevented her from marrying. He made a parcel of money from his family's coffers and donated it anonymously to the young woman and her future by throwing it in through the open window, where it is said to have landed in her stocking. This type of event occurred more than once, and Nicholas became known for late night gifts, and the granting of wishes.

A miracle of his legacy is the story of three young students who were robbed and dismembered on their way home from school, and stuffed in a pickle barrel. Nicholas is said to have appeared out of nowhere, and the boys arose at his command, intact.

In 314 A.D., at the Council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine brought up the question of whether Christ was divine. During the arguments on the subject, Nicholas is reported to have slapped a doubting priest. (*)

Once the story of his deeds spread, he became widely known for helping those in trouble: lawyers and their clients, pawnbrokers, and sailors, as he was invoked to calm turbulent seas. And he became the patron saint of children. From his tomb, a viscous myrrh-like material oozed and was used by pilgrims as an ointment, to heal sickness. By 1082, his body was removed from where it was initially interred in Turkey, and moved to Bari, Italy by grave robbing sailors, and a cathedral was built there in his name. For centuries there were more churches in the middle ages named after him than all the apostles, and next to Christ and the Virgin Mary, St. Nicholas was the next most popular figure in Christianity.

striktlymi: Good morning,
You asked two questions:

1) Connection between Santa and Christmas.
2) Scriptural backing of Christmas.

I will address the second question first.

There is no where in sacred scriptures where you would find the word "Christmas" just like there is no where you would find the word "Bible", "Car", "Private jet", "M.asturbation" etc. I will like you to understand that not everything is written down explicitly in sacred scriptures. If one choose to believe only what is written in sacred scriptures then it would mean that owning a private jet is wrong and unscriptural. But this is not true. Christmas has its roots in sacred tradition. If you do your research you would find out that, 25th December was a day set aside by some pagans for the worship of the "Sun god". With the advent of Christianity and in order to turn the people's heart from the worship of this pagan festival. The church decided to replace it with the veneration of the Son of God instead. Hence d commemoration of the birth of Jesus on the 25th of December.

Your first question should be answered by the following:

Santa Claus today originated from St. Nicholas, but the derivation of the Santa Claus story comes from many sources. In fact, since the Catholic church in 1969 demoted St. Nicholas from his official saintly status ~ as there were no records of his having been canonized ~ the original legend of this third century Turkish bishop is not very widely recognized as part of our Christmas celebration.

Nicholas was born into a wealthy family living in Patera, in the south of Turkey. Legend claims that on the church's fast days, Wednesdays and Fridays, the infant Nicholas nursed only after sundown.

Just one of many stories demonstrating his holy reputation is about an angel who appeared to the cardinal appointing a new bishop for the Turkish town of Mira, with a face bright like the sun, who told the cardinal to ordain the 30-year old Nicholas.

Through his priesthood in the early Christian faith, even while alive he came to be recognized for his generosity to all those in trouble. In his good-doing role as priest, one story tells of Nicholas, who took pity on a girl in his parish whose family had no dowry. Had Nicholas not intervened, this would have prevented her from marrying. He made a parcel of money from his family's coffers and donated it anonymously to the young woman and her future by throwing it in through the open window, where it is said to have landed in her stocking. This type of event occurred more than once, and Nicholas became known for late night gifts, and the granting of wishes.

A miracle of his legacy is the story of three young students who were robbed and dismembered on their way home from school, and stuffed in a pickle barrel. Nicholas is said to have appeared out of nowhere, and the boys arose at his command, intact.

In 314 A.D., at the Council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine brought up the question of whether Christ was divine. During the arguments on the subject, Nicholas is reported to have slapped a doubting priest. (*)

Once the story of his deeds spread, he became widely known for helping those in trouble: lawyers and their clients, pawnbrokers, and sailors, as he was invoked to calm turbulent seas. And he became the patron saint of children. From his tomb, a viscous myrrh-like material oozed and was used by pilgrims as an ointment, to heal sickness. By 1082, his body was removed from where it was initially interred in Turkey, and moved to Bari, Italy by grave robbing sailors, and a cathedral was built there in his name. For centuries there were more churches in the middle ages named after him than all the apostles, and next to Christ and the Virgin Mary, St. Nicholas was the next most popular figure in Christianity.

In a French village during the 12th century, local nuns honored their patron on December 6, which became St. Nicholas Day. The nuns delivered candy to all the children who'd been good, leaving it for them in their shoes, and leaving switches in those of the naughtier children. Because they seemed to cover so much territory, some began to say it was St. Nicholas himself who delivered the gifts.

By medieval times Nicholas had become the most beloved patron saint of Europe, and through the middle ages, the story of Christmas in Europe developed to combine religious and pagan myths.

German culture told of the ancient god Voden, the mystical sky rider who would pass judgment over villages to determine who did well, and who did not. In the 16th century reformation, Martin Luther's strong Protestant church banned St. Nicholas, denouncing his popularity as a saint because it rivaled the worship of Jesus.

When Luther created the Protestant church, he realized it would be necessary to wean German children off of St. Nick, so he created Krist Kindle, the winged Christ cherub, who also flew and brought gifts to good children ~ but which instead focused the celebration around Christ. He came on Christmas Eve at Christ's birthday, which more closely coincides with the Winter Solstice, around which pagan religion celebrated the return of the Sun's light.
In England the myth developed around Father Christmas, and in France, Pere Noël. Italy's old hag Bafana, out looking for the Christ child, left gifts in her wake for other kids. The gnome Tompten was Sweden's figure, and in the U.S., Martin Luther's Krist Kindle became Kris Kringle.

It was Dutch sailors who came to the New World and would not give up St. Nicholas as their patron; when they settled, particularly around the New York area, their nickname Santer Klause became the name we know as Santa Claus.

In early colonial times around the American Revolution, the new American culture embraced most all that was not British, and so took on the Dutch Christmas celebration honoring their beloved St. Nick. Washington Irving gave the Dutch culture prominence in his "Knickerbocker Tales," which he wrote for the New York newspaper press. He mentions St. Nicholas over two dozen times in his chronicle, and it is from these writings that the original story "A Visit from St. Nicholas," better known as "The Night Before Christmas," was conceived. The poem came to Clement Clark one night before Christmas when he was riding in a horse and carriage through the snowy streets of New York City, and so went home and wrote it for his children.

St. Nick came to be depicted as a jolly man in the more familiar red suit and white beard, and Harper's Weekly publisher Thomas Nast printed drawings that brought these images to the public. By this time, St. Nicholas' bishop's staff had become the more pagan candy cane. Other popular writers in the 1800s also published variations of the Santa Claus story, and by the 1890s, the first department store santas had emerged. By the 20th century, Santa Claus was here to stay.

http://www.souledout.org/christmas/santanicholas/santanicholas.html

As it is, that Jesus is God is without question. Submitting it to debate makes it less than the sacred cornerstone of life, Christianity and the Church that it is. I am fully convinced and have proved again and again that anyone can read anything they want into the Bible. The only way I know to prove that what is read is true is to see how it treats Jesus Christ. If it makes Him less than He truly is, then it is anti-Christ. It cannot make Him more, you cannot fill a full vessel.

I'm actually bothering because of you, Ubenedictus. It is no small matter to soil sacred things and continuing in this debate amounts to that. Is Jesus Christ God? Of course He is. What is the biggest argument for it? We are saved and children of God. If there is any other thing that is the Gospel, I do not recognize it and neither does the Bible.

Barristers, I do not mean to insult you or show you up for a fool. I have seen a lot of people like you. Filled with intellectual superiority and "mastery" of the Scriptures. You take for granted that you know the truth and nobody else does unless they are of your organization. You hinge your rejection of the Trinity more on the bad track record of the Roman Catholic Church than on anything else. I know that the gymnastics with interpretations are only an effort to validate your position as well. I have no quarrel with the rejection of any denomination. I simply refuse a rejection of the Bible as well simply because one tenet of it (the founding tenet in this case) is held by that denomination. That is ignorance and extreme foolishness.

I pointed out a few questions for anyone holding contrary views to the Trinity to answer here on this thread and on a new one that I opened. Responses were intellectually bankrupt. The most vehement were attacks on the concept of the Trinity whereas the actual answers to the difficulties I raised were practically murmured. I left the questions alone on my thread and simply asked how we are saved by Jesus's Death if He was not God. The answers (only two) were very poor, very deficient. I didn't bother to dissect them to avoid another firestorm.

I made a clear write-up stating what the Trinity is and why it is true and undefended in the Bible. The answers from those of your company to that write-up were very unworthy of people who claim superior knowledge. I'm sorry that I will not post the link here because I'm done with all that foolishness. Anyway, nobody bothered to dissect my write-up and pick it apart logically. All I got was derision and cheap attacks.

Boomark: v3 ending and v4 happened when he ascended to heaven.

v5 is a question asked after he has been begotten. To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?" will your answer be angel Michael? It is obvious God did not say that to an angel.

BARRISTERS: @ubenedictus

clearly you were told by a catholic like you(ihedinobi) that Trinity is undefended in the bible, you agreed thanked him,but here,we are defending every thing here with the bible,

see the discussion that you actually agreed that trinity was undefended in the bible;
https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/12





is it not very clear now that you and true2God wants us to return to the stone age? and continue with pagan practices? at least, 4 bibles outside the NWT actually rendered jesus an angel,the bible demand for three witnesses for a proof to be legitimate, now we have 4!

BARRISTERS: Ubenedictus



can you see that you are not contributing anything to the tread? and moreso, have you forgotten what your mother told you? of course you told us, on this tread
https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/12



now are you loyal to your mum?

truthislight: so, from your knowledge Yahweh was dealing with all sort of people befor the coming of christ?

Well then, of what used was the death of christ if not to open the way?