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Boomark: My thick skull have fully understood it. That i should not use idol as prayer aid(like catholics do) but to allow the holy spirit to aid me.

Its not by force to believe what is written in the bible as it. You are free to add and bring in your own doctrine or twist it to suit you.

It is not also by force to stop worshiping the image of the beast. The lake of fire awaits the beast and his servants.

and i cant force ur eyes to open and see d legit use of images in scripture! I can't force u to learn d difference between honor and adoration. I cant force you to learn that the saints before us are now with christ. I cant force u to admit that you err in interpreting God's words.
Neither can help but notice that you are judgemental.
Peace

obadiah777: LOLZ. I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED RINGWORM >>> http://www.rayur.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ringworm.jpg

thank ya 4 refreshing my memory. Lapalapa shuldnt b anybody's problen, go to d closet phamacitical and get an anti bacteria cream

obadiah777: JOHN 8 VS 44 IS REFERING TO CAIN WHO KILLED HIS BROTHER ABEL AND THEN LIED TO GOD

and 1jn 3:8 nko, he wu commits sin is of the devil is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning... john puts every thing in context, the sinner here isn't called "d devil" instead he the sinner is "of the devil". He goes on to explain that the devil has sinned from the beginning. 1Jn3:12 even explains the case of cain futher ...and not be like cain who was OF THE EVIL ONE and murdered his brother... cain isn't called d evil one, no it say he was "of d evil one". The array of scriptures bear witness there is "the evil ONE" the one all other sinner's imitate.

wiegraf: Oops, I posted without even reading the thread, I was just 'following' @kay's posts, lol. My bad. It's the mature xtians in here.

Let me go find people I can actually provoke..

hahaha

Boomark: Welldone!
This is how satan entered Judas and used him to betray Jesus. Not a permanent creature in every body.

Jn 13:27
King James 2000 Bible
(©2003)
And after the morsel
Satan entered into him.
Then said Jesus unto him,
What you do, do quickly.

amen!

I'll start from the year of christ birth. To get the year of christ's birth scripture gives us a clue, lk 2:1 says he was born in d reign of augustus which is between 16 january 27bc to 19 aug 14ad. That gives us a range. Lk3:1-2 make it clearer, john began his ministry in d 15th year of tiberius caesar, with herod as tetrarch of galilee, philip of ituraea... Lysania of abilene, and d high priesthood of annas and caiaphas. Tiberius became caesar in 14ad, pilate governor 26 to 36ad, herod antipas 4bc/1bc-39ad, philip 4/1bc-34ad, annas frm 6ad to 15 ad. A prophet begins ministry at 30 and 15th year of tiberius is 28ad to 29 by roman calculation and semp,oct 27ad to 28ad if luke was using d syrian calender. So 30yr backward is 3/2bc and since Jesus and john are abt 6month apart d same year applys for Jesus 4 Jesus. So biblically it can be infered that Jesus was born in 3/2bc. This date also agrees with d early xtians acct, clement dates Jesus birth to 3bc, eusibeus also dates 3bc.

obadiah777: EVEN CHRIST SAID THIS WORLD IS NOT OFF ME. AND IT WILL REMAIN LIKE THAT TILL HE RETURNS. AND IF YOU ARE OFF CHRIST THIS WORLD SHOULD NOT BE OFF YOU. SCRIPTURE SAYS GET OUT OF HER SO THAT YOU DO NOT RECIEVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES IN THE LAST DAYS. GET OUT OF HER MEANS DONT PARTICIPATE IN HER FOLLY, HOLIDAYS, POLITICS ETC

dis is ya interpretation, 'get out of her' and "we are in d world nt of d world" and "my kingdom is nt of dis world" all tally, and scriptures xplain how to get out of d world 1jn 2:15 says do not love the world or the things in the world, if any loves the world d love of d father is not in him u dont "flee from her" by runing away frm politics, u flee by not loving d "world". And 1jn2:16 tell us what d "world" is so we might hate it for that is in the world- the lust of d flesh and d lust of the eyes and the pride of life, it is not of the father but is of the world
those are d tins of d world, not politics, precept upon precept if i may use ya words.

Hmmm...

obadiah777: THE SPECIFIC ADVERSARY SPOKEN OFF IN THE BIBLE IS EMPIRES BEING ADVERSARIES TO THE WORD. ANCIENT BABYLONIAN, MEDIOPERSIAN, GREEK, ROMAN, AMERICAN <<<< SATANS / LUCIFER. ITS NOT A SPECIFIC PERSON. THE BIBLE HAS NEVER REFERED TO A SPECIFIC PERSON AS SATAN. QUOTE ME A VERSE WHERE THE BIBLE NAMES ONE MAN AS SATAN

do ya wish to tell me how jn8:44 fits d above!

obadiah777: I NO GET CRAWCRAW. THE ONE I GET IS NOT CONTAGIOUS. IT IS CALLED LAPALAPA

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, lwkmd, i saw this and laughed till i shed tears, which one b lapalapa

Kay 17: Pope Urban?! That should be a mistake.

How are proofs and supports from the Bible scientific?

Why is the Church a forum/court for scientific decisions?

becos d scientists stops discussing their scientific proofs and started to argue bible, literal vs symbolic. That is why d church became judge!

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Go for it brother . We all like a good history lesson... Roman Catholic style. [/quote]no problem expect a link, the date of his birth was not certain, the two main dates that was popularly accepted was dec 25 in d west, jan 6 in d east. I will go into the specifics later

obadiah777: BUT YOU DO ERR. JOB 9 VS 24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked <<< THIS IS CALLED THE ERA OF THE GENTILE. AS SUCH ANY GOVT IN THIS EARTH IS SATANIC AND AS SUCH TRANGRESSIONS INCREASES. THATS WHY THE WORLD IS THE WAY IT IS

PROVERBS 29 VS 16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth <<<< THIS WHY THE WORLD IS JACKED UP. THE WICKED IS CONTROLLING IT. THIS IS WHY THE LORD SAYS YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITRICKS

nah! U are saying because d wicked exist the good shuldn't rule, and besides d bible didnt say thou shall not do politics. That part i disagree.

obadiah777: TRUE BUT IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF SOUNDING GOOD. IF YOU READ ISAIAH CHAPTER 14 FROM THE BEGINNING, IT SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU WHO WAS BEEN CALLED LUCIFER AND SATAN >>>

ISAIAH 14 VS 4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! <<< BABYLON EMPIRE

hm...I brushed dis point some mins ago

obadiah777: @ UBE @ SERIALLINK. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES I THINK PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP WITH WORDS. LIKE HOW AS KIDS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD SATAN IS SOME RED TWO HEADED MONSTER ETC ETC ETC. ALL GREEK FABLES ETC. SATAN SIMPLY MEANS 'ADVERSARY TO GOD'. ANYONE CAN TURN TO SATAN. PETER BECAME AN ADVERSARY ONCE AND WAS TOLD TO 'GET BEHIND ME SATAN'. IN ISAIAH CHPT 14, SATAN REFERS TO THE ANCIENT AND MODERN BABYLON EMPIRES. THOSE EMPIRES ARE AN ADVERSARY TO GOD AND THEY CORRUPT THE WORLD AND MAKE THE WORLD SATANIC. THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST SATANIC EMPIRES ON EARTH AND THEY WERE / ARE THE HEAVEN OF THIS EARTH. THEY RULE THE WORLD. AMERICA IS WHO THE WHOLE WORLD LOOKS UP TO. AMERICA IS HEAVEN. SO WHEN AMERICA GETS DESTROYED IN WW3 ' THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN'

again i get this point, adversary is simply one wu oppose God and seriallink, obadiah or ubenedictus may b discribed as such IF they oppose God. But again i cant deny that there is a specific adversary spoken of in d bible, d one all oda "adversary" imitate, if lies is opposed to God, d liar is an adversary, but he is only imitating a principal adversary d one called "d fada of lies"

seriallink: Yeah, this here, makes more sense than our arguments on Buzugee's thread. The way you & buzugee put it there wasn't clear enough! It's now that I'm beginning to get your points on that topic, however, scriptural backings to these claims would be very important!
Isaiah 14:12-18 described how Satan rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven, how could he now be working for God?

ok, i think i'm inclined to agree with ya here, i interprete is14:12 as refering to satan, but i dont regard it as an absolute interpretation, wit d construction of that passage i blive it refer to satan, but oda part of d same chapter seem to refer to an empire, i though i may assert it is satan been talked abt i've gat to conceed that in d light of d surrounding passage an empire may be a legitimate interpretation. Since that passage it disagreed upon, i will show my points using other scripture!
I dont know where to start bt 1jn3:8 say ...for the devil has sinned from the beginning well Jesus also convicts satan of sin jn8:44 says he is a muderer frm d beginning and has nothing to do with d truth, wen he lies he speaks accding to his own nature for he is a liar and d fada of lie from that i gather dat satan had a sin he committed in d beginning and for dat his nature was corrupted. But not satan alone oda angel joined him 2pt2:4 say GOD didnt spare d angels wen they sinned but punished them unto darkness, for those wu dont like d idea of hell dat passage can legitimately be interpreted that God confined d fallen angels to a state of "absence of light", d absence of God atleast dat is part of my idea of hell..
If rev 12 is added to d mix, d dragon wu is identified as d devil and sweep down a third of d "stars" from heaven (mind ya star may refer to angels) rv12:9 says clearly d devil and his angel were thrown down from heaven, it seems earth is their "prison" or maybe earth is just d extension of d devils prison or rather by man's sin man gave satan a claim to d earth because man is suppose to b d master of d earth (d bolded d interpretation i use, it does have scriptural backing) bt any of d above u take is fine 4 me. If is14:12 it added it will fit, bt i know dat passage is a bone of contention so i won't use it.
I also know obadiah will interprete rev 12 differently, but i dont presume to know how he interpretes jn, 1jn and 2pt.
Back to business, even with all this i believe that God is perfect Goodness and fully soveriegn we can see his soveriegty in ps115:3 "our God is in d heavens, he does whatever he pleases" "opens no one shuts" rv3:7"the purpose of d lord will be established" pr19v21, he uses one nation's evil to correct another nation is10v5-15, he use assyria to punish israel and vice vasa, is 45 tells da story is 51 completes it! God also uses man to achieve what he wants phi2:13.
I believe God allows evil so as to achieve a greater good. Gen45:8 shows a way "satan" in joshep brothers unknowingly helped joseph achieve what God planed 4 him. Gen 50:20 shows a clearer picture, a believe in similar fashion satan wu meant evil against me is used to achieve a greater good! Tobit2:12 say d same bt i won't quote it since u dont accept it. The jews rejected d gospel and thru dat means it was given to d gentiles. As sinned increase by satan's hate God had a cause to grant more grace rm 5:20. And because God is soveriengn all things work together for good for they that love him Rm8v28.
I hv tried to show how i understand d 'devil'. How God uses evil even sin to achieve a greater good, and uses physical evil like calamities to correct a erring nation.
Im sorry if d above is too long, i tried my best to summerise

seriallink: Yeah, this here, makes more sense than our arguments on Buzugee's thread. The way you & buzugee put it there wasn't clear enough! It's now that I'm beginning to get your points on that topic, however, scriptural backings to these claims would be very important!

Isaiah 14:12-18 described how Satan rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven, how could he now be working for God?

yeah i reviewed that thread, and i agree, i could have done better in explaining my points, there are areas i believe dont agree with obadiah, but that is more on who satan is than what he does, it seems i gat i 2nd chance at xplaining me points! Please expect an explanation.

obadiah777: WORLD WAR 3. I GOT MY KJV IN ONE HAND AND A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD IN THE OTHER READY TO DECAPITATE HEATHENS AS INSTRUCTED BY THE LORD. TO EXECUTE JUDGEMENT AND VENGEANCE ON THE HEATHENS FOR THE CONTROVERSY WITH THE CHILDREN OF ZION

hahahaha, lwkmd. No stain me wit blood oh!

obadiah777: YEAH SERIALLINK HAS BECOME A SEASONED PHARISEE. HE LIKES SCOFFING AT SCRIPTURAL EXEGESIS . I OUGHT TO TAKE HIS HEAD OFF WITH THAT TWO EDGDED SWORD. KUDOS

hahaha, double edged sword abi? So far una no stain me with blood. I wear my xmax clothes so wen u ready to chop off e head tell me so i go shift. Lol

BROTHER UBE. I THINK OUR SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE IS THE SAME. DID YOU GET ALL THIS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR IS THIS YOUR PERSONAL STUDY ?

i'll say both, as a catholic am...let me say, mandated to study scriptures, but i've gat to admit that each time i have thru d help of d hspirit successfully connected the dots, i find out that i'm not inventing d wheel and simply rediscovering and appreciating, at the time i completed my studies on creation, sin and d fall some years back, a discovered over 1700yrs ago my findings were already known. And yeah the full stuff i've been talking about is also from the catholic church.
Paragraph 302-314 d catechism covers d part on God's master plan. http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm
the fall is covered on http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm
so i can truly say i got d scriptural exegesis both from my personal studies and from the catholic church.
Peace

obadiah777: MY NIGGAAA <<<< TRAINING DAY

weytin u dey train 4?

obadiah777: DEATH AND HADES GAVE UP THE DEAD IN THEM <<<<< MEANS THOSE WHO WERE SPIRITUALLY DEAD CAME ALIVE WHEN CHRIST RETURNED. SYMBOLIC STATEMENT

THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD IN IT <<< SEA IS MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE >>> SO THIS MEANS ALL THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD IN THE WORLD AWOKE.

BASICALLY ALL THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD AND BLINDED AWOKE TO BE JUDGED

AND THERE SHALL BE DEATH NO MORE >>> NO MORE DISCONNECTION FROM GOD. EVERYONE WILL BE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE

THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL INHERIT THE LAND AND DWELL IN IT FOREVER >>>> FOREVER DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL LIFE OF THE BODY. FOREVER MEANS FOR AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIVE. THEN YOU PASS. REST. COME BACK. AND THEN INHERIT THE LAND AGAIN. SO EVERYTIME YOU COME BACK YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE RULERS OF THE WORLD. YOUR SPOT HAS BEEN SEALED AS THE PERMANENT ROYALTY ON EARTH IN ALL YOUR LIFETIMES

e b like say u overread "spiritual" put for that passage oh!

obadiah777: I HAVE TO EAT TOO BRAH. I NEED THAT BRIBE TO SUPPLEMENT MY INCOME

hahaha, i told me some days ago that "hellfire" will melt me, hope ya are nat playing with that "melting fire"

obadiah777: LOL YEAH HE WAS KNOWN TO BE A WINE BIBBER LOL. THE PHARISEE LIST SHALL BE REVIEWED IN 2013. FOR A SMALL FEE YOUR NAME CAN BE TAKEN OF IT 'SCRATCH MY BACK I SCRATCH YA BACK '

lol, i say no! To bribery and corruption, hahaha. Which kind fee u dey talk abt! I no fit scratch back wey get craw craw oh!

E b like say sum1 don f.uck up, wu get that hidden post?

truthislight: but this ^^^ are your words.

If chukwudi44 should arrive here he will tell you that solar scriturs as he calls them are rubbish and cannot be taken alone.

Then he will bambuss you with tradition. Lol.

Its not really true as you put it.

ofcuz chukwudi and even me dont believe solo and sola scriptural, infact i hold it is unbiblical. But that doesn't mean the scripture don't take the paramont place in doctrine, no church father pulls more weight than scripture. And i still hold that if ya wish to know d meaning of what d apostles taught ask those they taught who kept, guarded and transmitted da truth.

seriallink: So, what you are trying to say is that God created evil/(and)satan to purify us and when He is through with His selection and purification process, satan's contract would be terminated and evil would be destroyed, right?

Well, that sounds good but I don't think it's scriptural!

i think ya summary of obadiah's points is very scriptural

obadiah777: GLAD WE CAN SEE EYE TO EYE ON THIS ISSUE BROTHER UBE

amen

italo: Amen and thank you.

However, as a Catholic, I'm interested in knowing the comments of Ubenedictus and myself (at least some of them) that you don't agree with.

Perhaps, we are misrepresenting the position of the Church (that would be a grave error). Perhaps, we might learn a thing or two from you...and/or vice versa.

Of course, only if you're willing to share, thank you.

amen

Welder: Ok. I am a Catholic.

I have to say while i dont agree with some comments from UBenedcitus and Italo, I have to hail them for standing by their faith. May we all win this earthly race.

To the OPs' question.

We pray with the Rosary because it is in our tradition, the church believes in the intercessory prayers of Mary and the angels and saints of God.

Do we worship Mary? NO, we dont; rather we honour her because of all humans she was singled out to bear Jesus Christ. You have to agree that since Jesus was pure and found without sin, the woman that bore him has to take some credit. I did rather go the route of seeking the intercessions of this extraordinary woman -medium rather than elsewhere. What do you think?

Bowing to her statue is not enshrined in the tradition of the church, its a persnal thingy. Some catholics dont, but i will rather revere every memory of this extraordinary woman since i can do same to the special people in my life.

I hope this is clear enough.

Shalom!

wow i like ya points! Can u pls tell me abt some of my comment u disagree with?

FXKing2012: stop wt d ignorance, who told u catholics were the first Christians? The apostles were first called Christians on d day of d penticost which means penticostal Christians were d first Christians. Do u even know when Roman Catholic started?

hahahahaha, ya so dumb (no offence meant just couldnt help it.) d apostles werent called xtians at penticost, they were called xtians in antioch, go and learn ur bible and d earliest penticostal church started in d 18th century. Hahaha

obadiah777: BUT YOU ERR MY MYOPIC HEATHEN FRIEND. ADAM AND EVE BEING TEMPTED WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE END RESULT OF THIS WHOLE THING IS PERMANENT LEADERSHIP ( HEAVEN ) SELECTION ON EARTH BASED ON WORKS MERIT AND FAITH. SO THIS IS A SELECTION PROCESS. A WEEDING OUT PROCESS. WE ARE IN AN ELECTION SO TO SPEAK, AND OUR DEEDS ARE OUR BALLOTS. THERE IS A METHOD TO THIS WHOLE MADNESS MT FRIEND. ONLY THE WISE KNOW. SCRIPTURE SAYS

AMOS 3 VS 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets << THE PROPHETS KNOW THE FULL PICTURE. YOU DONT KNOW THE FULL PICTURE IS WHY YOU ASKED THE UESTION YOU DID.

DANIEL 12 VS 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. <<< THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND <<<< THE WISE WILL BE THE PROPHETS

a valid point

obadiah777: LOL I SEE YOU DONE HAD ONE TOO MANY OF THAT SACRAMENTAL WINE. YOU DO KNOW YOU ARE QUOTING BOOKMARK THE BELLIGERENT PHARISEE RIGHT ? LOLZ

hahaha, sacramental wine, wow, fruit of olive! I hear christ really enjoyed that wine. Well back to business, i disagree with many on many issues on nl including ya, that doesnt mean that i shuld be blind when those are disagree with make valid points! The pharisee list is yours, i don't usually tag people with such names.

Logicboy03: Are you a Buddhist?

nah