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truthislight: i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:



^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

truthislight: Adam was a free moral Agent or freewill agent.

What is the use of freewill if Adam could not exercised it?

If you should build a toy car with a remote control and then remote controlled it into a ditched after which you pulled it out and smartched it for falling into the ditch.

Between you and the toy car who is insane?
Are you not the one that drove it into the ditched?

If Adam was predestined to eat the fruit, it would mean insanity on Yahweh's part to come and punish him with death including his children that has all been predestined also since he did the predestination in the firstt place. Who is fooling who?

Friend, set your theory/theology right and stop painting Yahweh black.

That i love and can play music does not mean that i will be playing music 24/7, 30days a month/ 365days a year till infinity.

^^^ No

there is time for every thing.

I will play music and also do other things.

We are created in God's image.

Yahweh does only what that pleases him in justice and love.

He says his face is toward the righteouse and the unrighteouse are something detestable to him his eye does not behold evil.

Yes, if he wishes, he can foretell the future like in the case of Jesus coming to earth and Giving us a kingdom.

That does not mean that he does not endowed his intelligent creatures with dignity to decide what to do.

If satan feels that God predestine every person why did he go and tempt Adam and succeeded and went for Jesus and fail?

The truth is that satan knows that Yahweh does not predestined human and that is why he goes and tempt them to fall.

He only offered Job protection and not that he had predestined Job, so, satan only ask that the protection be removed.

Yes, satan needed worship from Yahweh's intelligent creatures and has started out in heaven, but Adam had a choice on who to obey and hence the instructions.

Yahweh is a God of Justice Job 34:10-12

^^^

"Yahweh is a God of justice and does not pervat judgment, according to the way earthling man acts so God will reward him"

truthislight: satan started in heaven.
The one who troubles them day and night.
Since Adam was a freewill entity he has to put the symbol of his authority in the Garden so that as long as Adam keep obedient to him he will not fall for satan as some other angels in heaven had followed satan.
Roman 16:16- to whomever you obey such is you master.
As long that Adam keep obedience to God by not eating from the tree God remain with him, so when he disobeyed God abandon him.
But for satan to proof his challenge to God that Adam will be better off eating the fruit time was needed to proof whose principle was better for man.

If God had kill satan the challenge will not have been answered.

Infact it would have appeared that God was a cruel dictator that abuses his power and kills whomever opposes him.

ijawkid: I think the apocryphal writings are to be blamed for all these hysteria...........

Because it seems buzugee and some persons are actually telling us that our almighty GOD is BAD and wicked and that satan is not to be blamed for the wickedness prevalent in the world.............SMH!!!!!!.......

seriallink: @Truthislight,

I agree with you. Mr. Ube is fond of twisting people's words.

I was really pissed when he acussed me of what I never wrote anywhere on this thread.

That was why I had to just get him so he can amend his ways. Never again will I engage him in any debate!

I understand his frustrations & [b]hates for non-catholics and people who do not agree with their dogmas. He carries beefs from one thread to the other.

I hate that. Infact that was the reason I stopped debating italo!

obadiah777: YEAH THE DAY I SEE THAT POPE OPEN A BIBLE IS THE DAY I WILL JUMP FROM A 5 STOREY BUILDING HEAD FIRST ALL HE DOES IS SWING THAT HIS INCENSE LAMP

truthislight: God did not destroy satan immediate to give room for all thecontrasting statement/challenges that was made in Eden.

To give satan an opurtunity to proof that man disobedience to God will result in a better situation than being obedient.

With the failures we have seen so far, it is obvious that satan has fail in all his utterances that Adam is better off listening to him instead.

truthislight: thank you my brother.

You took the words out of my mouth.

They worship satan and blame God.

He he came here to proof that point and failed and is turning around to lie against other people.

He has been proved to be a liar just like his father, the father of the lies.

truthislight: am not really aware of the virtouseness of this statement!

Likes did what?

"Like" pains you?

*sigh*

what sort of mind is in you!

truthislight: now lets see how you do in the scale of honesty.

This is the post you use in accusing me and Serialink, it will show how and what sort of person you are:



Did i say in this post that "God needed to give Adam time to proof" something or it was satan i had said?

But RCC Ubenedictus that learned from satan the liar has twisted my word to say that i had said that God needed to Give Adam more time.

@Serialink

you now can see what satan has done to some so call christian that the resorted to lies as to proof their lying stance.

Now you know and can see the sort of person he is and we are dealing with here.

This is my words against Yours in black and white.



compare that to your lies below:



you see your life?

Like father like.

The father of the lie is satan.

seriallink: @Truthislight,

I agree with you. Mr. Ube is fond of twisting people's words. I was really pissed when he acussed me of what I never wrote anywhere on this thread.

That was why I had to just get him so he can amend his ways. Never again will I engage him in any debate! I understand his frustrations & hates for non-catholics and people who do not agree with their dogmas. He carries beefs from one thread to the other. I hate that. Infact that was the reason I stopped debating italo!

truthislight: and what was truthislight point?

You twisted and lied against me and use what i did not say Against Serialink and still have the face to be talking on this thread?

truthislight: camaeleon is not enough for you but should include a deceitful twister.

My argument is that God gave "SATAN time" to proof his accusation but you twisted it bellow to say it was Adam that i said that God gave time.

See your twisting below:


like father like son.
this is either being slow or being a deliberate twister.

If you deny that you did not twist my comment i will go and produce my comment that is up there for all to see and know who you are?

There are angels in heaven that witness all that satan has been doing and saying and some of them had been deceived already to toe the line of satan.

All this accusation needed to be dealt with and time was needed.

With the passage of time it is obvious that God's way was the best since he always had his creatures interest at heart.

The angels that followed satan will have seen the folly of their actions and the faithful angels that remain has also seen the wisdom of their faithful action.

This is the rationality behind God giving time to show that his laws and directions were for the best at the first place.

Even human will have been asking what happened to their first parent and why they were killed if Yahweh had killed them immediately.

But we all know better since their actions led to their old age and death.

My comment was on giving satan the ruler of this world time to proof that human will do better by deciding for themselves what is good and bad and not Adam to "proof to God" as you came out to imput what i did not say.

Change your life.

doubleDx: How is liking a comment an issue Dayummm! Do I smell jealousy?

truthislight: what are you not telling me?

"Worship" in legal term and worship in religious term is it the same?

In religious terms(christianity) who determines worship? Pope? No

God does, who then is the pope to determine who should be worship?

How Yahweh will be happy with him for his Redirection of worship to the "seven"

seriallink: Mr. Ube is just be disingenuous! Did truthislight made only one point in his post? What's the problem if I liked his comment because I agreed with one of his points?

Besides, I wasn't the only person viewing the topic; so, how does Mr. Ube know I was the one who liked the comment?

I hate dishonest debaters.

Peace!

seriallink: Mr. Ube is just be disingenuous! Did truthislight made only one point in his post? What's the problem if I liked his comment because I agreed with one of his points?

Besides, I wasn't the only person viewing the topic; so, how does Mr. Ube know I was the one who liked the comment?

I hate dishonest debaters.

Peace!

obadiah777: I BELIEVE HE IS ON THE EAST OF THE GMT TIME SO HE NATURALLY ASSUMES SINCE I AM ON OPPOSING SIDES, THAT I AM ON THE WEST OF TIME DUNNO WHAT HE MEANS LOLZ.

obadiah777: WELL I HAVE NOTHING PERSONALLY AGAINST THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT I AM NOT EXACTLY THRILLED ABOUT YALLS WHITE JESUS IMAGE. YOU HAVE MADE THE WORLD DRUNK OF THE WINE OF THE FORNICATION OF THAT WHITE JESUS IMAGE. AND HOW COME THAT POPE AINT NEVER OPENED A BIBLE A DAY IN HIS LIFE

seriallink: Why are you being disingenuous? I already explained my stance to you on this topic, I wonder why you are forcing what I never said on my head! I explained to you clearly that God doesn't work with Satan and also explained my stance on predestination. Why are you now posting gibberish and writing my name all over it?

I hate that please! If that's how you argue then kindly stop quoting my post from today and I'll do the same to yours! You acussed me of what you actually thought I was defending and when it turned out that there was no evidence, you brought up an issue of liking a comment. If I agree with some of truthislight's point, what is wrong in liking his comment.

FYI, if you think satan has a role to play in your salvation, he doesn't have in mine! This is grace period & God isn't forcing anyone to worship Him; so using satan to punish people and force them into worshipping Him is out of the question.
C'mon stop acting like a kid.

frosbel: This is a continuation from a similar article written a few weeks ago.
1. If HELL exists and according to the bible it was prepared for the devil and his angels, how come they are not yet in this place of torment

2. If Hell exists and the devil and his billions of angels are not yet in this place of torment how can man possibly go to this place for torture immediately after death

3. If HELL was made to torment the devil and his angels as the bible says, how come we have reversed roles, where the one who should be tormented is actually tormenting others.

Logicboy03: What doesnt kill me makes me stronger!

From today onward, I am not going to make another thread on christianity again because I can not be a hypocrite. I can not talk about on major religion in Nigeria while leaving another major religion out.


I was banned again (till 2035) by the Ayatollah because "I derailed a thread". Which gaddem thread did I derail? I've been engaging muslims- none of which have complained.


I am not a slave and I will never bow to any dictator .



Let the good times roll

pastormustwacc: I am wondering if Jesus had existed in our times, would you think he would have bought a jet?

Enigma: ^^^ You are making a false accusation and, in any event, the point you are trying to make is really non sequitur.

ijawkid: lol......i've always been loyal my chief.....you will always be my comrade.....

truthislight: God did not destroy satan immediate to give room for all thecontrasting statement/challenges that was made in Eden.

To give satan an opurtunity to proof that man disobedience to God will result in a better situation than being obedient.

With the failures we have seen so far, it is obvious that satan has fail in all his utterances that Adam is better off listening to him instead.

the bolded part jerk started dis discussion, and d comment was made by truthislight wu said God gave adam opportunity to "proof" as if God needed to proof of satan, my point was that God didnt need to wait and see any proof from satan becos God already knew what will happen even b4 it happened. Now seriallink claims he didn't support dis idea yet he has been supporting truthislight arguement thru dis thread!
I can also find 2 likes on that statement and i'd be suprised if seriallink isn't among those wu liked dat satement!

obadiah777: PREDESTINATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEWILL. JUST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL END UP BEING DANGOTE IN FUTURE DOESNT MEAN YOU DID NOT MAKE THE DECISIONS YOURSELF. PREDESTINATION IS DIFFERENT FROM FREEWILL

obadiah777: I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT SIR

truthislight: how can God predestined someone for good or for bad and at the same time not predestined him to sin?
Theology!
White lies.

truthislight: camelaeon!

truthislight: very simple thing.

God foreodain that a specific number of people will rule with his son in his kingdom without specifying the individual, but you misconstrued it to mean predestination of individuals
*sigh*

this is a group that one can fall and miss out and be replace by another. It a pity.

Since you input predestination, are you saying that the people are perfect and can not make mistake and be rejected or the individuals cannot have a choice to reject it?

obadiah777: I BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF SATAN. HOWEVER EVERYONE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE SATAN. EVEN PETER BECAME AN ADVERSARY AND HAD TO BE REBUKED WITH 'GET BEHIND ME SATAN'. SEE WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD NOW ARE ROMAN CATHOLIC FABLES. THE SOONER YOU GET RID OF THEM AND FACE THE REALITY OF THE BIBLE, THE BETTER