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pastormustwacc: So you have really been counting? And you do believe that everyone posting here are children like you?

well chukwudi does have a point! I have seen thread from d catholic church practice dark magic to d pope in hell, to whatever, just name it. I have seen pipo accuse me of bliving stuff i know nothing about and twisting whatever i believe so that they can ascribe d title "pagan" to it. It happens, it has happened and i guess it will continue. Though i really hate that stuff (wen pipo are simply interested in distructive criticism), i dont believe dis is d best way to address it. I dont believe 2 wrongs make a right. Chukwudi if u are interested in pasting news paste news and dont add scandal criticism to it. If people have pick their enemy as d catholic church let them, u are responsible for what u paste not 4 what other wrote.
Peace

ijawkid: Where is that chukwudi.....

I told him not to start this....it won't end well.......

JW's don't conceal the wrong doings of its members....when cases are brought to there notice they iÑvestigate and take necessary actions.....the witnesses even report wrong doings that take place amongst the congregations and drastic measures are employed......serious cases that are known are reported to the police and not swept under the rug....that is why such cases of pedophilea are infinitesimal.....

I told chukwudi to be focused if not he'll only be bringing more shame to the RCC......

@ Barrister.....just leave this issue.....na small pikin dey worry chukwudi............him go soon run...

@UBEnidictus.......you are one matured catholic......shake my hand.....

hahaha, weytin ijawkid no go do 4 arguement? Now e say i mature, before i leave nairaland i must see at least one post where ijawkid dey shake e head 4 me or another thing. Today im d matured bro ube 2marow i will b another idol worshipper. Lol
ijawkid i hail u

pastormustwacc: Ahem, you do have a point, but we have these species of catholics on nairaland. . .

it seems i am d only person wu havent met d "catholic dont sin" group!

chukwudi44: Let me expose their hypocritical asses

its not necessary, hypocrites will be hypocrites unless they make a decision to change.
Exposing scandals won't bring them to d consciousness of their hypocrisy and it doesnt make ya look gud.
Pax bro

BARRISTERS: @ijawkid


you know im not yet a witnesses, i have said it severally,but have good history and thier records up to date,my wife is one of them,yes. so im not bound to treat doctrinal issues alone, i choose to respond to any claim, because im loaded with comprehensive facts of catholics and the rest, and if chukwudi or anybody's ox is gored,let him/her come out to face the challenge!

hahaha, hope this isn't a scared dog barking? Well i'm not interested in your chosen line of debate

Logicboy welldone, the priests i know dont stalk children, they aren't found around childrens changing rooms. That aside, arguement dont give me pleasure, neither do they excite me so there is 0 chance (no chance at all) that it would stimulate me.
Peace

truthislight: hahaha, it was a very funny statement to me!

ofcus it would be funny to you, i hope sum1 doesnt use such insultive jokes on you.

Logicboy03:

Couldnt resist, mocking your catholic allegiance

so u were simply interested in bashing me 'cos im a catholic? I just cant remember making an insultive joke at you becos of sumtin some atheist did.

plappville: why must everthing seem to you as bashing?

you organise a feast and the meat u presented is an article that the simply say "the catholics must be wrong". That seems like bashing!

Ihedinobi: Just read some of the comments (mostly on the first and last page). Not certain I fit here. But I already committed to explaining so I will with as much brevity as courtesy can allow and retreat to the sidelines.

Like i.chuka said, the man-child is representative of a group. He was not entirely right though in the "destroying the works of Satan before the second coming of Christ" part.

The group is also called "firstfruits". They aren't necessarily more special than every other Christian. They're just those who pursue Christ relentlessly regardless the cost. They are the "servant found doing as his master commanded" when He returns. They're the ones who "loved not their lives to the end". Members of this group are the full maturity of what Christianity is in potential.

Every Christian is born (speaking of the New Birth, of course) with the vast potential of Christ. But not all will actualize it. Some will waste it, some will invest it with enormous profits in return. According to the returns will be the reward. And the reward in view is the Throne of God.

Even the "least of the saints" belongs by right of birth in that Throne. But exercise of that right will vary according to maturity. And, like I have said, not all Christians will reach full maturity. A great many will not care about it, but the relatively few will and these few are those who will exercise all the rights of the Throne of which we speak. These few are represented by the man-child, the hundred and forty-four thousand (a symbolic number) on Mount Zion (another prophetic symbol) with the Lamb.

This man-child is the reason the Church has been on earth since Jesus went back to the Father. The Church is here to produce "him". Once she has and "he" has been caught up to God, the time of the end will come into glaring view and Satan will go berserk. The rest of the Church hang around to ripen under the onslaught of the "man of lawlessness".

When they have, the earth will be reaped again and the days of wrath will follow.

I don't see any need to go on and I might have exceeded substantially the "brevity" I had in mind. Summary: the woman is "the assembly of called-out ones" a.k.a the heavenly Jerusalem, the mother of all Christians; the man-child is the group of full-grown, "matured" Christians, those who kept their lamps burning; the "rest of her descendants" (AMP) are the well, er, foolish (not my word o, Jesus's) Christians who played truant during school.

this sounds a lot more consistent in interpretation.
It has problems though, rev 12:17 says "the the dragon was angry with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear the testimony of Jesus.... That doesnt tally with your idea that the other ones are "foolish christians".

Chukwudi pls leave dem alone

Pap, this is more or less bashing, you posted a 1000 word long article specially suited for the catholic church, a rebuttal becomes useless becos i will overburden myself and end up making little impact, wen faced with such an article the odds is against any one man who goes against it the sheer length of the post and the opposition that would follow would make a rebuttal futile.
If you want a discussion that shows d fault of the arguement and explains d catholic position pleas drop your article here http://forums.catholic.com.
Anything short will amount to "church bashing".
Peace.

Logicboy03: I told you to calm down

and i m calm as water was my reply, only to recieve ur bags of insult

BERNIMOORE: so you are tired, that is great! my mission accomplished on you.if you are bold enough bring them on!thanks

hahaha,

BARRISTERS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States

Over $3 billion incured till 2012 from 2004 only from child abuse

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[22] The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950-2007 to be more than $2 billion.[20] BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[13][23] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[20] Eight Catholic diocese have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011.[24]
As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-up in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue exploded into a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over several decades in the 20th century, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Catholic Church had sexually abused minors on a scale such that the accusations reached into the thousands.[25] A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.

on the other thread you said that the church was doing nothing to address d pedophilia mess, how come your link say otherwise? Hope u didnt lie on purpose

BARRISTERS: check the link, it is new, this year Over $3 billion incured till 2012 from 2004 only from child abuse,thats crazy men

i already saw that info quite early this year. It wasnt publish in d month of november abi i lie?

Hahaha,

truthislight: you are creating limitation for Yahweh.

If he brought Adam from a none existing state to life, is it the miracle of transfering the life of Jesus into the womb of mary that is more complex and impossible for the creator of life?

Yahweh performed a miracle.

so what happened to d angel wen d human Jesus died.

Logicboy03: Not really, you are as excited as a catholic priest in a boys changing room

here comes the insultive logicboy!
Thank 4 d insult.

BARRISTERS: @ chukwudi4
LETS SEE BELOW;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases_of_child_sexual_abuse_in_the_Roman_Catholic_Church


Roman Catholic sex abuse cases

Starting with the united states.

BishopAccountability.org,

an "online archive established by lay Catholics," [size14pt]reports that over 3,000 "civil lawsuits have been filed against the church" in the United States,[13] some of these cases have resulted in multi-million dollar settlements with many claimants.[/size] The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid [size=14pt]$30.9 million[/size] in 1998 to twelve victims of one priest [size=14pt]($44.1 million in present-day terms)[/size].[14][15] In July 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville [size=14pt]paid $25.7 million [/size]to "settle child sexual-abuse allegations made in 240 lawsuits naming 34 priests and other church workers."[14] In 2003, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.[16] In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly [size=14pt]90 cases for $100 million.[/size][17] In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a [size=14pt]$75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims.[/size][18] In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a[size=14pt] $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[/size][19][20] In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a [size=14pt]$198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims[/size]."[21] In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay [size=14pt]$5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse.[/size]"[22] The Associate Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950-2007 to be more than $2 billion.[20] [size=18pt]BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[/size][13][23] Addressing[b] "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses

[size=14pt](Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[20] Eight Catholic diocese have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011.[/size]
[b]As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-up in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue exploded into a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over several decades in the 20th century, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Catholic Church had sexually abused minors on a scale such that the accusations reached into the thousands.[25][size=14pt]]A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.
[/size]

[size=14pt]AND TO WORSEN THE CASE, THE CATHOLICS GIVE UP COMPLETELY IN CONTROLLING THE SCORGE,SEE BELOW;
[/size]
In response to criticism that the Catholic hierarchy should have acted more quickly and decisively to remove priests accused of sexual misconduct, contemporary bishops have responded that the hierarchy was unaware until recent years of the danger in shuffling priests from one parish to another and in concealing the priests' problems from those they served. [size=18pt]For example, Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, said: "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, and that in those years ago, decades ago, people didn't realize how serious this was, and so, rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."[/size]
[edit]Diocesan response to allegations

Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood. Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment.

so this is where d bankrupcy thread came from? Just note that most of these cases were decades ago, and decades ago pedophilia was treated as a sickness instead of a condition. The priest were usually treated even with certification, that approach only worsened the case. For all that happened all i can really say is: I'm sorry!

pastormustwacc: Exactly, but yet they will keep claiming their church is heaven-on-earth, i wonder why. Even when i was a proud member of the rcc church serving on the alter, i knew i will one day leave, since my tolerance level was exhausted.

i havent yet seen anybody making d claim that catholics dont sin!

frosbel: Compared to the millions of cases of priests abusing nuns, small boys and all manner of gayism, this is nothing.

The catholic church is not a beacon of morality and therefore not qualified to condemn other organisations.

someone once showed me statistics that says that when d cases of abuse in the protestant churches are all added up it beats that of the catholic church. But thats that and i'm not interested in that arguement.
As for the bolded my friend you are out of line.

This seem like old news.

BERNIMOORE: @ubenedictus


i have answered all questions,and you did not ask me any that was not answered duly, italo asked and he was duly replied too, and he did not complain, so if you feel unsatisfied,ask me again afresh! im waiting.

sorry dear, time spent on u is time wasted. Why should i bother my self, my last question is there all u need to do is scroll up.

BERNIMOORE: @ubenedictus


we are saying that popes meridian prayer below implies that she replaced jesus as the mediator of salvation for humans; which should be the original role of jesus;...1 Timothy 2:5; ''For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus'', your pope prayer implies;MERIAN PRAYER OF POPE;

''Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith
and [size=18pt]obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation[/size].
O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God
and our Mother, Mary''!

you lost yourself by deleting this quote from THE MERIAN PRAYER where you are lifting it from because you are embarrassed,here is it again,thanks to the internet;

''Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith
and [size=18pt]obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation[/size].
O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God
and our Mother, Mary''!
whats the meaning that you are on your own!who need that?
are you with me before? do i expect you to be with me before, pls continue to deny,because you are told to do so.a beg!

hahaha, that quote didnt say mary is d mediator of d new covenant!

Logicboy03: lol........How many people do you think you have convinced to support the catholic church with our dialogue and how many do you think will be skeptical of the catholic church?

hahaha, each man according to his own mind, i cant claim to know d minds of others!

Logicboy03: Hey....hey now, calm down

am as calm as water!

I would like an explanation of how the arch angel became man.

Logicboy03:

The seeds of disbelief have been sown

and logicboy is a sage!!!
When u engage in distructive criticism you alway leave unsatisfied.

Logicboy03: It takes a grown and mature man to accept his flaws and mistakes.

Food for thought

Logicboy the sage! You newly learnt the art of speaking in riddles! Hope the above didnt come frome merlin?

Logicboy03: How many times do you see people abusing Ghandi or MLK even though they had flaws?


When you God, your bible and Jesus are all things that cause numerous problems and evil upon the world through charlatans the claim to be holy, what excuse do you have? Why shouldnt people criticize evil?

-Does your holy bible regulate/support slavery? Yes. Leveticus 25;44, Titus, 2;9
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081126010849AA8czU9

a xtian isnt bound to follow leventicus!!

-Did your pope enforce slavery? Yes. Pope Gregory IX in the canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_slavery#Slavery_incorporated_into_canon_law

d pope didnt teach chattel slavery!!

-Did Pope John Paul apologise for he church's involvement in slavery? Yes.
http://cathnews.acu.edu.au/108/133.php

d pope didnt claim dat d church didnt condemn chattel!!
Besides if e apology no do u go hug transformer!

Keep on lying for your slavemaster church.

your old pranks

pastormustwacc: Wakes up in the valley of dry bones after ministrations by frosbel.

Now this has turned into wrestling with two players:
Frosbel: weighing 500 pounds, with 500 wins and 0 defeats,
versus
chukwudi44: weighing only 25 pounds, with 0 wins and 419 defeats

We must to see the winner!!

this does sound insultive!
D apostles creed say "he descended into hell", hell is actually "hades" or "shoel", it has nothing to do with d abode of d damned. What shoel and hades actually mean is an arguement 4 another day.

plappville: My brother why looking at one scripture and then conclude? because you see rule with a rod of iron you just believe, oh no this can't fit any but Christ only
of course you are right, but you didnt dig deeper. Christ made it clear by himself here;

He that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he (the over-comer) shall rule them (the nations) with a rod of iron (Rev. 2.26-27) Do you no know?

what about scripture ref. to show us that the "overcomer" is caught up to the throne of God. Besides d post u quoted doesnt have a "conclusion" i said "pls shed more light" does that sound like a conclusion?
Ok, the point u are making is that d city of God yet to come gave birth to an overcomer who was caught up to God's throne (i'm waiting 4 d remaining ref.)
thanks