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plappville: So why you still dey find answer?

anty weytin b ur own na? Im in a public forum and i have d right to sample ideas! Besides if u take a look at d thread u will find out that after i got that ansa i didnt ask anyone abt d child again on d thread. So y are u accusing me unnecessaryly? Abi i dey bite u?

plappville: Give me one verse that Jesus or the apostles continue calling her blessed? Elizabeth said: Blessed art thou[b] among women,[/b] and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Why is this blessed among men today? and after Elizabeth, who else used this blessed apart from you Catholics who have ignored Christ and place Mary in center of your goals. No wonder Satan has been using her image to influence the church. (catholic)

"from henceforth all gen will cal me blessd"
is dat no enof 4 u?

plappville: And where did you see in the bible that He has long hair?
you have gotten an answer on the child why you persisting on this?

what am i persisting on? U claimed that d catholic church has Jesus with long hair and u said that isnt d real Jesus. D burden of proof rests on you to show me how d real Jesus looked liked.

ijawkid: Lol.....

You go tell me wether na me go thief the pagan practice of using beads in worship.....

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UBE you better throw away that your rosary......lol....

really? Maybe u need to produce d paper wey buddha and pope sign wey make u tink say na frm dem wey 4 take beads.

Boomark: laff the Shame off my brother. Worshipping image no easy.

sorry my dear, shame no catch me, yoruba say na bastard na e dey use left hand point to e papa house.

ijawkid: Why would 1 billion people ask mary to pray for them.....??

why shouldn they?

Ona mouth paralyze??........

na because we get mouth na e make we fit ask 4 prayers!

Leave mary alone and learn to pray for yourselves....mary has no power nor was given the responsibility to pray for you or any other catholic there in heaven...........

hahaha! But 24 elders dey pray abi?

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Paul asked those who were living to put him in there prayers,just as he did too....paul never for once in his life asked mary to pray for Him nor did he direct that all christians should let mary pray for them while she was alive and after her death.........

hahaha! Hypocrisy don catch u! So paul want make oda xtian pray 4 am but e no want make mary pray 4 am abi? He was ok with d prayers of oda xtians bt was against that of mary? Smh, hypocrisy

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No 1st century apostle ever said these words ""HOLY mary mother of God please pray for us"".....

hahaha, they called themselves saints which means "holy ones", so they refuse to call mary abi? And while they were asking each oda 4 prayers there was a law prohibiting them 4rm mary abi? Hypocrisy!

Jesus for use hammer nack there head if to say them utter those blasphemous incantations..........




God says that because he can ressurect the dead...until one is ressurected that person is still dead.......mary is dead,waiting to be ressurected......

Jesus said "he who believes in me will NEVER die"

Has anyday passed by when you never told mary to pray for you??
Its a custom...........don't deny it....tell me you didn't tell mary to pray for you today....

sorry it is not a compulsory custom and i'm not compelled to say it. I know practicing catholics wu dont say d rosary because it isnt suited to them they use d breviary instead.
Hmm... It seems i havent said a 'hail mary' today!

Logicboy03: It doesnt make it any less true

i dont have a problem with ur merlin quote, though i may continue to question ur sincerity. U just love your mental gymnastics and accusing anything that is God related. Weldone.

ijawkid: He is asking if the mum is literal or allegorical.......

You never answer am........answer.....

Na mary be the woman??

it seems you cant detect sacasm when u see it, or did u miss the "lol" tha followed the question?
A question 4 u my friend: did scripture ever describe christ with an "allegorical mother"?

To bookmark, it is interesting that you call joshua an idol woshipper.
To bernimore, u have dodging d questions u were asked.
To the Op, if you wish to know what catholic practice and why please visit http://forums.catholic.com.
Peace

BERNIMOORE: @ijawkid

it is not a new thing,

and it is contained in the

THE MARIAN PRAYER OF
POPE JOHN-PAUL II



see one of the links; i can supply other links too
http://prayers.viarosa.com/Prayers2BlessedVirginMary.html

this raise some questions demanding a honest and unedited answer!

Since Our Lady of Fatima (the Virgin Mary) asserts an equivalent position to Christ with respect to mediating salvation, we have a problem on our hands since 1 Timothy 2:5 together with Hebrews 7:23-25, Acts 4:11-12 and John 14:6 clearly and unequivocally state that Jesus Christ is the eternal and sole mediator who can save us and that he is the only way to the Father. Can the Virgin Mary have any possible rivaling salvaging role that also happens to be supported by scripture? No, it doesn’t… because salvation is a business done by Jesus and Jesus only.

sacred Scriptures leaves no room for doubt or compromise.

these are written in black and white,and with the internet,it is easier to asses catholic sites,new advent and even the CD rom which i have, but unfortunately they deny,because they are told to do so,thats pathethic.

now you are on your own!!! I have never seen a catholic wu said mary is the mediator of d new covenant. I cant be called forth to defend sumtin d church doesnt believe

vickyO: why do yall ask her to help you obtain eternal salvation which can be gotten from one's believe in Christ. Arent you placing on her the role of a mediator?(begging Christ on man's behalf)

just 3 biblical principles 1 becos "eternal salvation" is a gift of God, 2God grants gift to those who ask for them, 3 intercessory prayer is one of d ways of praying.
Becoming an intercessor doesnt mean u are now d mediator of d covenant.

Pastor AIO: Maybe the child is Islam. I'll come back with the back up arguments later.

now i need some popcorn!

Ihedinobi: Nope. Will explain later. Gotta run right now. But this is wrong.

waiting...

[quote author=i.chuka]Since its a heavenly vision(Rev12:1),the woman is entirely of heaven.neither Mary/the nation of Israel have this position.[/quote]vs 1 can actually be literally interpreted as "a sign appeared in the sky". It doesnt necessary imply that the sign must still be in d sky, it is a portent and can refer to anything.

2.After the woman bore the man-child,she fled into the wilderness.if we likened this woman to the nation of Israel and the child been Christ who was caught up to the throne,it does not correspond with the actual facts.long before Christ ascended the nation of Israel was gone....its impossible for the woman to be a reference to the nation of Israel.there is even less of a basis to refer to her as a Mary.

wish to go futhur pls?

4.after the man-child was caught up unto God,there was a proclamations in heaven(Rev12:10).we know that this has not yet been accomplished.Ephesains6 tells us that the church on earth must still battle with the rulers,authorities and forces of evil from the heavenlies.since this portion of scripture has not yet occurred,its impossible for it to be a reference to the time of Jesus..........

you certainly have a way of interpreting scriptures, but i will let my objections slide.
You have shown or tried to show why the woman isnt israel or mary nor is d child Jesus.
Since u have presented an arguement 4 what the child and the woman isnt, can you please tell who they are?

[quote author=i.chuka]^^The Woman in Gen3(Eve) is a shadow of the Woman in Revelation12.
Both have nothing to do with the nation of Israel,Mary and our Lord Jesus directly.[/quote]gen 3:15, doesnt exactly seem to be talking about eve!

plappville: We are talking about the Holy City of God, the Tabernacle of God and Heavenly Jerusalem, is literally heaven on earth.

It is referred to in several scrituresIsaiah 52:1, Galatians 4:26, Hebrews 11:10, 12:22-24, reve 21)and more.

Hebrews 13:14
14 For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come.


The new Jerusalem.

so the city of God that is yet to come gave birth to a male child who would rule with a rode of iron?
Please shed more light!

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace Be Upon You Everyone.


Who Is The Child? The one whom strives for the anointing; the initiated Christ (Logos). I would suppose that the following books are not one hundred percent accurate, but they're notable the best of their kind, that's available today: ~ Page 154 of this book begins Revelation 12;

The Apocalypse Unsealed

Sermon on the Mount


Man - unregenerate


The Regenerate Man



Salaam/Peace. DevotedOne

salam devotedone, thanks for your contribution.
Pax

obadiah777: oh you are looking for a specific passage that says the woman is israel ? well dunno if i can find any but the 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of israel.

the woman is crowned with 12 stars, 12 can also refer to the 12 apostles.

rev 12 did not say she wasnt harmed. it says she fled into the wilderness. i am sure you dont expect them to go into specifics about who survived and who got killed. those who survived ran into the wilderness. stop splitting hairs lol

nah, nah, nah, i'm not splitting hairs, vs 6 doesnt mention that the woman was touched by the dragon, and i cant find a biblical passage where the woman who is israel gives birth to the messiah!

seriallink: Sorry to disappoint you brah, Revelation 1:19 doesn't agree with your past prophecies & second birth of Christ analysis. I do not agree either.

Did you bother going through the links I posted? I bet, they aren't important to you because even if we argue for a billion years, you'll never accept the truth. You are not a truth seeker, all you are trying to do is defend your mary's 'Queen of Heaven' title which is unscriptural.

You only want to hear that the man-child is Christ so that you can conclude that the woman is Mary. So, there is no point arguing with you over this issue. Shikena

i thought u wrote earlier that u agreed with obadiah?? Abi na 2 seriallink dey here?

Logicboy03: ^^^^

You really think I am going to waste any more time with you? Close minded slaves like you can keep defending your slave masters.


Any open minded christian or catholic reading our comments will see the truth for what it is and will never trust the catholic church. An open minded person will read our comments and go and search for the truth on christianity and slavery.



A wise man is not cowed by knowledge but uses it for his own benefit

merlin season 5

vickyO: Scriptures no yan say; Make we chant prayers like incantation, Mary na the mediator between Jesus and man, FYI, we end prayers in Jesus name because He is the mediator between God and man. And purgatory, are you kidding me, after death is what? Judgement for goodness sake. abi na lie i talk?

anty many of weytin u talk no concern me, mary no b mediator of d covenant o!

Pastor AIO: well, personally I would imagine that the child who was to rule with a rod of iron was the Messiah himself. After all he has been described as such in the old testament.

If the child is Jesus then the woman ought to be the mother of Jesus. The question now is: is it the literal mother or the allegorical mother? lol

since morning oga u are d only person who has answered my question. Thankyou

Callotti: Kimon face the topic!
Ashawo 'HOLY GOAT'!
When are you gonna 'born' ya own basstard to saviour you?
Eshishi aturu!
Phocking Catholic DAFTEEE!
When you get married, please allow the HOLY GOAT OF A GHOST to help your husband to 'impregnate' your slimy azze 'eja-ku-lately'!

Ikanka Catholic!

Look at them? Phaacking ijjiots!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKLxTWs886s&feature=related

why does that look like the divine liturgy of the orthodox church. Tell me im wrong!

ijawkid: Lol...

Calloti dey craze o....

Too raw......

it seems them get pipo wen i neva see 4 nairaland b4. Wow!

Callotti: See for yourself!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zc52Coepgg&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWn3e1ss8k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FbEK5MB9TM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d_roQb2Jwg&feature=related

thank God my fone no fit access youtube videos

obadiah777: NO PROBS BRAH SERIALLINK

it seems those on the thread has come to a conclusion that revelation contains past events! Hope that represent the thoughts of those on the thread?

ijawkid: And you are refusing to acknowledge who the woman is......

Is she mary as you've always known it to be??.....

you didnt ansa my question! The thread is "who is the child?" did u miss d thread title?

[quote author=i.chuka]Sir,the problem is not scripture ref.but US!
Are we willing to hear and accept the Truth??
Sir, the Church has FAILED!!.it cannot fullfill Gods purpose here on earth.even in the time of the Apostles according to the book of Revelations(the seven Churches) already have issues.
If you are ready,then lets talk.[/quote]i have been talking it seems you didnt notice.
"the church has failed" that one isnt talking about the assembly (ecclesia) of christ right? My bible says d gates of hell cannot prevail!

obadiah777: 1-THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE FUTURE. THE BOOK OF REVELATION ACTUALLY STARTS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. IT HAS REFERENCES TO ISRAEL BEFORE NOAHS FLOOD IN WHICH THE ISRAELITES WERE STILL RULING THE WORLD BUT HOWEVER THE DRAGON WITH 10 HORNS AND 7 HEADS KICKED THEM OUT OF HEAVEN ( RULERSHIP ) TO THE EARTH ( LAMENTATIONS 2 VS 1 ). BUT HOWEVER THE MAIN BODY OF THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS BEGINS AROUND 400 BC WHEN ALEXANDER THE GREAT ( ABBADON ) OVERTHEW THE MEDIO-PERSIAN EMPIRE. SO THE MAIN BODY OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION STARTED 400 BC. IT IS A BOOK OF PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE

ijawkid and his future-only group what do you think??

2- ISRAEL GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST AMIDST MUCH BIRTH PAINS MEANING ISRAEL WAS GOING THROUGH TRIBULATION AND PAIN BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING THROUGH CAPTIVITY AND MUCH VIOLENCE BY THE BABYLONIAN FOLLOWED BY THE MEDIO-PERSIAN FOLLOWED BY THE GRECIAN AND EVENTUALLY ROMAN EMPIRE WHICH IS THE EMPIRE THAT WAS IN CHARGE WHEN CHRIST WAS BORN. SCRIPTURE TO SHOW ISRAEL GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST MATTHEW 1 VS 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins AND WHO ARE HIS PEOPLE ? HEBREW 7 VS 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah JUDAH IS THE HEAD TRIBE OF ISRAEL.

u quoted matt 1:21, dat passage isnt talking of israel, it is talking about mary, that is cuting and joining different information! Wahala dey!

3-FLEEING INTO THE WILDERNESS. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION THAT HAPPENED IN 70 AD WHEN THE ROMANS INVADED ISRAEL AND KICKED OUT ALL THE INHABITANTS. LUKE 21 VS 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. THE WILDERNESS THEY RAN INTO IS THE INTERIORS OF AFRICA. MOST SPECIFICALLY WEST AFRICA . THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM A HISTORY BOOK CALLED FROM BABYLON TO TIMBUCKTU I WILL POST IT IN THE NEXT POST SO THIS ONE DOES NOT LOOK TOO CROWDED. IF EVERYONE IS LIKE ME I GET DISCOURAGED FROM READING LONG THESIS LOL. ITS THAT ATTENTION SPAN

rev 12 says d woman wasnt harmed but ur own say israelites was killed, it doesnt add up!

CrazyMan: The revelation showed a brief explanation of what happened during the birth of christ....and what would happen in the future.

The tribulation, and the coming of the anti christ.

others disagree, them say no past even 4 revelation!

truthislight: rev 21:1 to 4

dis is a passage, what does it say? And how did d new jerusalem give birth to christ, it is d other way round.

ijawkid: I was only asking if you have discarded the notion that ""mary is the woman revelation 12:1 is talking about"".....

Have you??...

and I never down graded the answers of others....I was just chatting with you....

and i asked you "who is d child?". You didnt ansa