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HumbledbYGrace: da same bible as urz then but the catholics baptism is made wen the child is young

u baptise at anytime my bible says "d promise is 4 u and ur children" it also says "do not prevent d children from coming to me for such as these is d kingdom of God" and since apostolic times households has been baptised without d discrimination of children.
So where did u hear dat catholic only baptise children??

truthislight: this is how you know fraud.

He did not write out any scriptures but put forth books that are unrelated.

so the passages i quoted are not in ur adultrated bible huh?

Are those your words the bible words that you should have been quoting out for us to read by our serves.

You should rather be ashamed of yourself.

u shuld be ashamed of ur self. U have eyes but u are blind, ears but u are deaf.

We did not see how what you said explained what the woman is.

u are very dishonest! How will u see wen d eyes of ur mind is blind. Just answer me who is the male child that rule with a rod of iron?? Who is he??

truthislight: men, what sort of long post is this?

The tradition cannot be instruction/practices that contradic the written instructions.

Your traditions makes rubbish what the written instructs of the apostles says.

The books of the NT are direct apostolic writings and no other persons instructions that comes closed to theirs in authority.

Dont be deceived, the bible warns against men that will come in later days and give instructions that will opposed what the apostles of christ had said.

actually u failed to notice that it is ur traditions and doctrine that came in the later day.
And d tradition handed from d apostles to d church arent against scripture but how will u see that wen u twist scriptures to fit ur imagination.

chukwudi44: Hahahaha how do you know the books to be read as scripture? It was simple because this synod told you so.The entire gospels and some other gospels were anonymous .Their canonicity and authours were only sourced through sacred tradition.

Why don't you quote other books like enoch,jubiless e.t.c that were not canonised by these church councils

it is a pity protestants are ignorant of how the bible came about. They need a little history class.

Logicboy03: See your wickedness? Even f your statement is true, are other forms of slavery moral for a church?



Your comment is a lie. What kind of slavery, do you call the ones I bolded in my comment? liar for the catholic church!

i lied? U must b fucking kidding me. U pasted the list urself, did u not notice that chattel slavery is not in the list or are u blind?

Image123: others are also reading who may have honest doubts. The posts are for their sakes, and for a witness.

amen.

HumbledbYGrace: I wasn't insulting u,if it sounded that way my apologies but my point was that born again christians and roman catholics see things in a differnt way

do u mind defining what u mean by "born again" because i blive to be born again d exact way my bible puts it "born of water and d holyspirit". If u bible has a different way of been bornagain please let me know.

ijawkid: Are you telling us that Jesus did cut out his flesh literally and gave to his apostles to wakk??...

SMH!!!!!......

i'm telling u what the bible says Jesus said "dis is my body" simple wu am i to say it isnt? He transform bread into his body.

Boomark: Is it difficult to tell me that you bow to idol since since Joshua is now you leader? You don't know how hide from it.

now u want to tell me what i blive. Really?? Abi joshua is also a idol worshipper.

Logicboy03: I like how you avoided the fact that slavery was in the bible- boh in the new and old testaments



Here is your pope Gregory with his enforcement of slavery


[size=14pt]Slavery incorporated into canon law[/size]
In the early thirteenth century, official support for slavery and the slave trade was incorporated into Canon Law (Corpus Iuris Canonici), by Pope Gregory IX,.[62][63] Canon law provided for four just titles for holding slaves: slaves captured in war, persons condemned to slavery for a crime; persons selling themselves into slavery, including a father selling his child; children of a mother who is a slave.
Slavery was imposed as an ecclesiastical penalty by General Councils and local Church councils and Popes, 1179-1535...
(a) The crime of assisting the Saracens 1179-1450.....
(b) The crime of selling Christian slaves to the Saracens 1425. Pope Martin V issued two constitutions. Traffic in Christian slaves was not forbidden, but only their sale to non Christian masters.
(c) The crime of brigandage in the Pyrenees mountainous districts, 1179.
(d)Unjust aggression or other crimes, 1309-1535. The penalty of capture and enslavement for Christian families or cities or states was enacted several times by Popes. Those sentenced included Venetians in 1309.[64]
Pope Gregory XI, excommunicated the Florentines and ordered them to be enslaved if captured[65] Little seems to have happened before the order was removed

ur list didnt include chattel slavery. So i can safely conclude the catholic church didnt support chattel slavery.

HumbledbYGrace: ur a catholic so u probably don't read the same bible that I read

thanks for the insult. My bible say he wu stands shuld take care lest he fall, i hope that is in ur bible.

Boomark: Whose image are you bowing to?

How did the scriptures develop? From thin air.

mtcheew so u dont know how to b quiet wen u have nothing to say??

mollie12: No, its not Jesus, its a piece of bread.

Jesus is presently sitting down at the right hand of God the Father in heaven, and not in a communion plate.

The Holy Communion is to be done in REMEMBRANCE of Christ, and not as a continuous reenactment with cannibalistic undertones. There is no point in adding 'jara' to the exercise, it IS what it is already. Abi bros, doesn't it sound weird at all to you to be eating and drinking Jesus' flesh and blood every day?

The Lord was referring to a figurative meaning when He used those phrases: that's why the disciples didn't actually need to eat his flesh and drink his blood even when he died on the cross.

so Jesus took a bread and told every body "this is my body" and u claim that is figurative?

Boomark: 'Father, you
dropped Jesus on the floor.' He
got this blank look on his face,
just stunned, and I said, 'May I
have the privilege of rescuing
Our
Lord from the floor?' and he
said,
'Yes, of course.'
"And so I went up to the
sanctuary area, leaned over, and
picked Jesus up off the floor,

Can you pick Jesus on the floor in any which ever form?

This is one the ways catholics ridicule Christianity. Answer me.

do you even read ur bible? Luke 22:19 say "and he took the bread and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them saying 'this is my body'" if Jesus say that which look like bread is his body then he has said it and i belive.
No one is riddicling anyone.

Ihedinobi: Do you really? "What I tell you in the darkness, shout abroad when daybreak comes. What I whisper in your ear, shout from the housetops for all to hear." That's Jesus in Matthew 10:27. Your spirit may not be right, friend, and I'm not saying so for any reason other than mildly caution you. You engage in discussions like this to unveil Christ and you are to do so whether your message is accepted or not. Until it has been rejected, you must give it. When it has been, you may take it elsewhere.

I advise that you quit your worries of being made a fool or being rejected. Again, Mr Anony did right. He just didn't know it. I think that my twin is very wary of impropriety and stumbles, that's probably why he accepts rebuke readily especially about actions he's not very clear about. In the instance here, his reaction was perfect.

As for you, my friend, I exhort you to abandon debating for its own sake.

Edited.

i doubt u will get my view even if i put them in simplier words, ofcourse we must preach in and out of season, we must emphasize the word again and again. But none of us is the holyspirit, one who delibrately closed is mind won't see the truth even if it is staring him in the face. At dat moment d preacher is wasting his time, prayer will help more than more words.
Besides am not afraid of been rejected as u seem to think, neither am i afraid of been made a fool. And lastly i dont debate just for the sake of debating.

frosbel: The church was scattered into 40,000 denominations eons ago without bro.Frosbel's help.

The sheep are confused, many are turning to atheism, yoga and are disillusioned with the sorry state of affairs of churchianity , the tithe fraud, eternal torment farce , paedophilia in the catholic church and their acceptance of paganism and a host of other madness. The false teachers and false prophets are scattering the sheep , lay the blame on them not me.

I am only trying to play my small part by going back to the bible and exposing the real truths therein.

tell me another joke.

Logicboy03: I read your link. It still doesnt change the slavery in the bible and what Pope gregory IX did by putting slavery in the canon.


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

pls provide the papal bull where pope greg added slavery to canon law and tell me what types of slavery it allowed. D new testament passages u quoted simply teaches a slave how to live a christian life even in slavery. I can really find a positive support 4 slavery in d new testament.

ijawkid: Lol....

No mind them...

When ever they look at revelation 12 all they think about is MARY....so that they can call her ""queen of heaven"" and then pray through her.....

since u have phd in rev 12, just tell me who the child in rev 12 is, is it ijawkid?

HumbledbYGrace: we are talking about "Christian man&women here so its clear that lust is a thing of the past to them.And by the way even guys wear tight revealing pants....

u must be joking, lust is a thing of the past 4 christian men and women i doubt that. What is d cause of fornication and adultry among christians if not lust?
Been a christian isnt a bullet proof against temptation, and i would advocate lesser temptation instead of more.

ijawkid: SMH!!!!....

Did Joshua your mentor also use beads too in worship??....

So the development that saw the need of using prayer beads in worship escaped the notice of all servants of God in the past including the apostles and Jesus,but was discovered by UBE and his coLleagues...

Sorry my brother...

we've exposed what led to that development.....love for pagan practices(paganism) is what led to it......

The buddhists and muslims set that pattern for you guys and not the holy spirit or the apostles who worshipped God in spirit and in truth...

Did you read that ephesians 2:19,20 I quoted??...

It seems you dodged it....





I used the term ""scriptures""...

Can we define the word ""bible"".??....

Let's define it....oya......

this joke is expire, tell me a new one.

ijawkid: Those guys you are talking about were amongst the individuals who penned down Gods word down for us to read......

They had the books of the prophets and the law with them....

Jesus read from them.......

Abi na physics textbook Jesus read??

so d Jesus of ur kingdom hall read a new testament book? Tell me another joke!

ijawkid: When unveiling a reality with pagan myths I wonder what you hope to achieve.....

.....SMH!!!!

it seem ur dreams are simply abt dis "pagan" concept of ur. Please go get some rest and try been less superstitious, it will help u.

Logicboy03: This is what your pope said;


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actually u quoted without context, d pope didnt say that instead he was quoting a discussion btw a patriarch and an imam

Now, so you agree that your catholic church supported slavery since you admitted that the Pope apologized for the church's involvement in it?

u havent proved that the catholic church support it. U havent pasted a single papal document that say d church support it in doctrine. Yes many in d church had slaves including bishops and jesuits and bishops wu decided to misinterprete a papal encyclical. But to claim that d whole church did and doctrine were made afirming it, is to lie.
Besides i ask again did u read my link.



Do you agree that there is slavery in the bible? Yes or no?[/quote]

HumbledbYGrace: I don't find it fair because dresses too can be revealing but anyway,my problem is;Is it right according to the bible to dress in a presantable way?

hey! Hey! Im not some dress advocate, and yes it is both right to d human mind and scriptures to dress in a decent way.

Guys always see girls outside the church wearing pants,they spent time with them more than a few hours service @ church so why is it not difficult for them to pray with them @ church?

have u heard of d study that says men think of sex more than once per minuite. You wouldnt want that in d church would u?

Tight clothes r to be covered,and not all pants are tight

amen, it just that most pants i've seen are shape revealers.

ijawkid: Have you tried applying 1260 days to marys running to the wilderness??...


That's what I'm waiting for.....

And please did the man child join mary to egypt(aka wilderness as you have chosen to interprete it) or not??...


Because it seems you are trying to tell us Jesus was born twice..here on earth,then after his acsension mary ascended too into the heavens and gave birth to Jesus again,then left Jesus for the wilderness....

SMH!!!!......

i would be accused of not been serious if i show interest in ur word play. Just tell me wu was d man child??

Zodiac61: Of course, the man is probably deluded.
Have any of his so-called miracles been verified?
No.

in d cath church it will take years 4 that to happen. Besides in a matter of private devotion no one is condemn but he wu preaches what isnt true. Whatever he said happen may have happened or not. But as far as im concern much of what is relates happen to me each day i recieve.

ijawkid: Revelation mentioned it......

Abi you no see am??.....

And i hope joseph went with her to the wilderness.....

u have answered ur question.

HumbledbYGrace: Last saturday a fellow christian brother made a very nasty example about ladies wearing pands to church,its total prohibited to wear pants to my church but since I don't wanna start trouble I can't question the laws of the church but is it really agaisnt the will of God for a lady to wear pants @ all?

Bible reference;Deotronomy 22vs5
5 A woman shall not wear men's clothing, neither shall a man put on women's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh your God. And 1st Timothy 2vs9-10
9 In the same way, that women also adorn themselves in decent clothing, with modesty and propriety; not just with braided hair, gold, pearls, or expensive clothing;10 but (which becomes women professing godliness) with good works.

Does this scriptures clearly states pants and slacks or something else?
Ur input will be appreciated and no insults pls

i donot wish to give a hard and fast rule in this matter. But deut u quoted is a portion of d mosaic law that is was eroded away by d new testament. But again i dont consider pants to be decent. D gaze of a man is more or less concentrated in specific places and for those with good imagination a tight cloth equal unclothedness. I would advise against that which delibrately over highlight those point in a womans anatomy that may prove problematic for men. Each accding to prudence.

I'm not suprised u didnt read the link i presented

Logicboy03: Did the pope apologise for the church's involvement in slavery? Yes or No?


Is there slavery in the bible? Yes or no?

i also remember benedict apologised to muslims for his speech even though he didnt say anything impolite.
Giving apology doesnt mean the church didnt teach against slavery.

Ihedinobi: I get you, bro. I also don't care to engage frosbel and his crew. However, this is not about winning/losing. It's totally about Truth. It matters nothing how many embrace Him, what matters is that He is unveiled.

And when He can be unveiled by reflecting a person's foolishness, we who carry Him should do so.

again i get ur point. To unveil a reality is useless unless there are people who arent blind who are capable of seeing and appreciating d reality. If u are unveiling a reality to one with closed minds it is like pouring water in the dark.

Boomark: And catholics are capable of abiding in pagan truth. Go and learn from the model of prayer-our lords prayers.

u shuld repeat that to urselve again. I just remembered u are not aware that praise is prayer

ijawkid: How does this question relate to you and your cohorts bowing down to marys image and using prayer beads??...

bowing to an image we learnt from joshua as 4 prayer bead it developed just d way scriptures did.

The length at which you guys go to defend paganism baffles me.....

SMH!!!!.....

The word ""kingdom"" is in the bible.....that's were the word kingdom hall was coined out from.....as for the word ""hall"" I hope you know what it means.....

The word bible is not in the bible,but the word ""scriptures"" is in the scriptures.....
Thank you....
Can we find a trace of the use of beads in worship amongst servants of old who worshipped God??....

atlast u still havent showed me d phase "kingdom hall" u only talked of kingdom prayer is found in d bible too. U still havent showed me d word bible in d bible.