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Kingdante:
Can you say same for our Muslim brothers? Cos many of them were born into it too, not having a choice of their own and we all know how brainwashing from early childhood could be very effective look at the suicide bombers for example..... when you’ve been associated with something for a very long time changing your beliefs system is very different (especially when ever other denomination out there has been called fake and demonic by the Priest)

When knowledge increases the understanding of the bible increases too, if our parent that couldn’t read the bible nor do certain research in history accepted the catholic faint blindly, now that we are grown it’s only logically we think of ourself and don’t rely on our parent or grant parent decision..... we should think with an open mind study the bible make valuable judgement and choose a more logical path inline with the bible to seek God.




Oh yes there are retreat organised yearly to that effect and you know it always has poor attendance and let’s not go into how ppl get shut down if they ask question not in line with the topic of the retreat.

funny enough you talk of Catholics born in to Catholicism but you forgot protestants can be born into Protestantism, you guys also indoctrinate your kids teach them your style of prayers etc but you rise up and condemn Catholics for bringing up kids according to their faith.

Good news is that everyone has a chance to check out the claims of his religion and decide whether or not he agrees so I don't get why you seem pained about Catholics raising kid according to their faith, the Bible itself encourages it.

Maybe attendance in your area is few not in mine.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm that's interesting, but why is it that the Catholics have failed in all the facets of what is expected of the followers of that guy from Nazareth?
They're into politics!
They're into racism!
They're into image worshiping!
They're into interfaith!
They're into polygamy!
They're into Apostasy!
I suppose if the Catholics have the TRUTH, they should know better. Perhaps the remaining seven books found in their translation of the Bible wasn't part of the ORIGINAL inspired writings from the TRUE God, who impacts HIS own people with wisdom. Certainly those seven EXTRA books were added,thus the curses for those who makes any addition is what is tearing the Catholics apart till today!
For your information, all the religious groups claiming Christians today including Islam deserted the Catholic Church even though they're all having so much similarities with the Catholics,except just one group! None of those things mentioned is found amongst the ONE and ONLY group that belongs to Jesus.

so your Bible condemns working in peace with all men about or respect for rulers obedience to just laws and participation in government?

The Catholic Church is not into image worship, polygamy, racism or apostasy.

Sorry

LordReed:
He and 3 others were once charged with sodomy. It might be hard to prove but the speculation has roots in actual evidence. Besides even just a cursory reading of the quote of his I post would show that he did not elevate religion above science.

charge but not convicted as I said, it is very hard to input sodomy on people unless they accept to been homosexual or they are caught in the act.

The church doesn't place science in opposition to religion, truth is truth whether scientific truth or religious truth they are truths. One by experiment the other by revelation, each is truth in its own right. Truth is truth not opposed to itself. Catholics are not protestants as regards attitude to science, it's Fidel ET ratio not Fidel contra ratio.

budaatum:
Words of a proper heretic. He must have managed to remain under the radar of the heretic hunters to have achieved so much!

not really... Those sentiment are not heretic, similar words were spoken by Bonaventure, he is actually a saint... A lot of Catholics today will say same it has no hint of heresy in it.


Catholicism believe in faith and reason hence the church was the owner of much of the universities and was the sponsor for most scientist in Europe... We move from what is known (proven science) to what is less known.... Those sentiment won't put anyone in trouble with heretic hunters

LordReed:
Never said he was a heretic. I said he was probably a homosexual and if he was operating right under the nose of the church then he was practically defying the church right under their nose.

defying the church ke, it is pretty hard to prove anyone is a homosexual, unless you meet him in the act. There was nothing for him to be accused of. A lot of people at that time could be unmarried, one can't just imagine that each one is a homosexual

budaatum:
He had profound ideas for his time, opened up a new way of looking at things, was stubborn enough to stick to his ground and he's the one I've read about the most. He has a huge influence on me.

his ideas were not that new.


Bruno was a disciple of cardinal Nicholas of cusa, his interesting ideas were actually borrowed from the cardinal who had an uncanny intuitive mind that made him believe stuff that would take centuries before science could prove.

Despite bishop Nicholas unorthodox ideas about the world he was elevated to cardinal and had no problem teaching what he believed... It was like corpernicius and Galileo, while the former actually had a good response to his theory and was supported by the Pope the latter who adopted the theory ran into trouble.

Nicholas had the scientific ideas I was loved but Bruno had some other religious ideas that led to his condemnation

Anas09:
I think you shd put yourself side by side the Lord Jesus and the Jewish Pharisees and see if you'd pass if fellowship with everyone because they were humans.

Do you know that in the early days of the Apostles, altho, still in the Temple, they separated themselves from other Jews?
Note, they were all Jews.

This is from your Catholic Bible.

Many miracles and wonders were being performed among the people by the apostles. All the believers met together in Solomon's Porch.

Nobody outside the group dared join them, even though the people spoke highly of them. But more and more people were added to the group—a crowd of men and women who believed in the Lord.

As a result of what the apostles were doing, sick people were carried out into the streets and placed on beds and mats so that at least Peter's shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by.

Verse 12 says the believers separated themselves from others, although still fellowshipped in the Temple.

Verse 13 says, there was no ecumenism, as no one outside of Christ followers were part of them.

Verse 14 says because there was no pollution, the Holy Spirit moved mightily in their midst.

Did you realize that Ecumenism is Humanism, and Humanism is Satan's religion?.

Does "Come out from amongst them and be sperate", means anything to you?

even Jesus ate with the Pharisees, that means he acknowledged them as humans, that is how he came to have many of those teaching opportunities with them.

Good thing they still prayed in the same temple as the jews did you notice them? Ecumenism doesn't ask for that much

StormInc:
So I posted something about the Catholic Church earlier today and None of the Catholics could answer my question. Well that is by gone.

I would like a Catholic to justify the below images and tell me (us) why it is not Idolatory.

first the thread you earlier posted have responses by Catholics.


Secondly the image below is justified by the fact that in the Bible images of cherubs were made and people prostrated in front of them, if that is not idolatry neither is this. In both cases the image portray God's glory and so it is not the image that is venerated of itself but what it represents.

StormInc:
So I posted something about the Catholic Church earlier today and None of the Catholics could answer my question. Well that is by gone.

I would like a Catholic to justify the below images and tell me (us) why it is not Idolatory.

first the thread you earlier posted have responses by Catholics.


Secondly the image below is justified by the fact that in the Bible images of cherubs were made and people prostrated in front of them, if that is not idolatry neither is this. In both cases the image portray God's glory and so it is not the image that is venerated but what it represents.

StormInc:
Alright visit >>
https://www.catholic.org/prayers/mystery.php?id=3

That's the source, you can check out the other mysteries too.

I need the historical context please

the quote is probably from someone's private meditations it is not from church documents, if you wish to know what that quote come from then you have to find the owner of the meditations. The titles aka the mysteries are catholic doctrines and I will gladly explain those.

The first mystery is the resurrection of Jesus found in all the gospels and in the writings of the early Christians.

Second mystery is the ascension of Jesus Christ into heaven found in the Bible and in the writings of early Christians.

Third the descent of the Holy Spirit found in acts 2 and in the writings of early Christians.

Fourth mystery is the assumption of Mary meaning that after Mary's time was completed was taken by Jesus Christ into heaven, in fulfilment of the enmity and victory prophesied in gen 3:15, this is not explicitly taught in the Bible but is found in the writings of early Christians and their liturgy.

Fifth is the coronation based on scripture that promised a crown for the Saints and upon the fact that Mary of mother of the davidic king and thus queen mother, it is thus based implicitly on scripture and is found in the writings of early Christians.

DAramis:
That is the reason but that notwithstanding, if you can enlighten him on his qhuestions, please do.

I certainly will, I had already typed the response on my phone but I lost the post, I'll do it again.

Kingdante:
True, very true...... and another point is 80% of catholic were born into it, it wasn’t a thing they choose by themselves(samething implies to our Muslim brothers)


One of the major issues with religion is you are not allowed to think outside the box, cos of you do, you start asking questions and even if you want to ask questions they tell you to go see the leader or whoever runs the show privately and ask the question..... why don’t I ask questions for the whole cogregation to hear and maybe if my question is thought provoking enough it might wake up some of my brothers from their slumber?

the fact that many Catholics are born into Catholicism means that the early missionaries have done a great job and Catholics are very much alive in transmitting their faith to the next generation which is a good thing.

Secondly the Catholic Churches I frequented last year at Easter had lost of adult baptism, one was exclusively adults that other had over 20 adults baptising as Catholics.

funny enough Catholics are encouraged to ask questions usually parishes organises several retreat every year with public asking of questions, again it is faith seeking understanding.

Kingdante:
Bros watch how they will avoid this topic like a plague, even the so called priest wouldn’t even touch it with a long stick..... one of the major issues is that they don’t read the bible, any catholic that takes his or her time to studying the bible is on its way out of the Catholic Church......

I can give a list of over 20 practises and/or dogma they that aren’t in the bible or goes against biblical principles......and sincerely I don’t blame them the deception is crazy!!! It’s the so called leaders of the Catholic Church (pope, cardinal etc) that is to be blame for the evil.

funny enough Catholics have been on the topic, catholic do read the Bible and they have a plan that finishes the Bible every 3 years. There have equally been protestants who after studying the same bible end up in the Catholic Church many are even pastors. This manner of speaking you adopted is largely disparaging, I'm such you won't be happy if other people adopted the same tone when discussing with you.

It is also instructive to note that the Catholic Church does not use the Bible alone, we are the church who put together the Bible, we were already existing before the Bible, having people who were taught directly and ordained directly by the apostles. So we do not only hold to their writing word we also hold to their spoken word which has always been believed and taught by the church. That is why even the Bible says to hold on to the word whether writing or spoken that has come from the apostles and it also says to know who your teachers are.

For that reason there are many things that are not in the Bible in fact the word bible can't be found in the Bible, nor is the word trinity, hypostatic union but they are either implied there or at least not contradicted in the Bible. What I am confident of though is that the idea of denomination is expressly condemned in the Bible.

StormInc:
Lol. Are you for real. Can you walk into a Mosque and ask them how do they know that Muhammad spilt the moon. You will get your head off your neck. As far as I know, in Christianity, believers are not allowed to question everything. They are just to have faith and believe, that is nonsense to me

the Catholic Church is not a mosque, it is very easy to get to and find a priest, tell him you have certain questions about Catholicism and he will be glad to sit down with you and discuss them point by point.

We don't kill people for asking questions, infact catholic priests have office hours for exactly that reason so they are easily reachable.

In Catholicism you are allowed to question everything, you can begin from the ground and work it up it is called "faith seeking understanding ", that is why there is theology to explain what we believe.

Kenekingisback:
“I am prepared to give the opposition the opportunities I was not given in the past.’’

- The one you were given on a platter in 2015 , how far?

Please resign...

“Time is against us. We are extremely vulnerable, and need to be careful that messages are not hijacked and figures tampered with, while being transmitted electronically."

- Who organises and transmits the election result? You mean APGA or PDP?

"Even the Russians were accused of tampering with American election, so we will remain conventional and use electronic transmission in subsequent elections.’’

- Useless excuse, after thought

that excuse is actually not useless, did a whole American not complain that it's electronic process was tampered with? They can be hacked and that is the truth, Nigeria has not developed the capacity to handle such eventualities

Nodogragra4me:
You dey make me laugh. For your mind Na you don report your research findings


Only you say the sales in Jesus times no be church get am .. which means say if Na church get am Jesus for no provoke .... Na you dey ask weda the book wey church dey sell no be selling things be dat.

The Bible says , buy the truth and sell it not.

Bazaar is not the truth .. it is a man made gimmick for helping God solve his problem which his unscriptural. God already appointed ways and means to finance his agenda but because of oversabi you criticise those ways , though many of church branches don dey market them aggressively, couple with the fact say majority of una members no dey give unless dem go announce the giving make every body know say dem ....be d real 'pillar' for the church ..... self glorification.


Sales of books and Bazaar no be same thing.... Books Na for edification. I am a personal testified to the works of spiritual books. Bazaar no get spiritual value ...competition with another man for who get mind to announce a higher bid now get value ...some no dey even pay afterwards.

sales of books in the church is still marketing so too is bazaar, the book you BOUGHT were SOLD and PROFIT was made, the good effect was that the book edified you.
In bazaar people BUY small things with huge sums knowingly because it is to support the work of the church, the good effect is that the poor is helped and church projects financed.

Funny enough there is a close biblical precedent, it is called redemption in the Old Testament, the easy one is when you can't carry your tithes to the temple because it is huge, you sell it off and carry money instead, there is also a way to redeem aka buy back your first born etc, in this case the offering during harvest is too much most can't be consumed and others the church has no need of so they are taken outside the church and sold off and the money is giving for the needs of the church.


Of course you can find fault if you want but if you support the same sales of books and condemn bazaar then you are a hypocrite, sales is sales

Nodogragra4me:
Fr. Ubenedictus here should have the appropriate reason for the Bazaar thing in Catholic church

don't start giving me titles on nairaland please.

Many here have already giving you the reason for the bazaar, if that isn't good for you, I doubt my reasons will.

PaChukwudi44:
I tireooo.I wonder where he got those quotations from

lol,

He just provided the site, he thinks every catholic site is called a "missal ".

StormInc:
Lol. Are you for real. Can you walk into a Mosque and ask them how do they know that Muhammad spilt the moon. You will get your head off your neck. As far as I know, in Christianity, believers are not allowed to question everything. They are just to have faith and believe, that is nonsense to me

the Catholic Church is not a mosque, it is very easy to get to and find a priest, tell him you have certain questions about Catholicism and he will be glad to sit down with you and discuss them point by point.

We don't kill people for asking questions, infact catholic priests have office hours for exactly that reason so they are easily reachable.

In Catholicism you are allowed to question everything, you can begin from the ground and work it up it is called "faith seeking understanding ", that is why there is theology to explain what we believe.

StormInc:
Check the thread I posted the source

I have checked it and the source you posted is not a catholic missal, at best it seems like the private meditations of someone which was pasted on that site

StormInc:
You are saying it is not from a catholic missal abi?

yes dear, I am clearly saying it is not from a catholic missal simple.

StormInc:
This is not a mystery perception thing, it is a direct claim from the Roman Catholic Church. Those write ups depict first hand experience of Mary herself. None of it is found anywhere in the Bible yet it is a belief of the largest denomination in Christianity. Whether it is true or not, my question is where was it gotten from.

you should know the site you got it from because that isn't from any church document.

StormInc:
What is your point? Are you a Catholic? or are you disapproving the quotations?

they are not from a catholic missal simple, highest it should be somebody's private revelation or meditations

DAramis:
The right question I have for you is this.

Would you actually believe, if a catholic should explain some of this mysteries or you expect to hear some lies that will help to enforce your already predetermined mindset?(An assumption of mine sha).

What matters is your perception bro. Where others see 9 another person will see P even though they are looking at the same written stuff.

this is another issue, most times these questions about are just bait for close minded argument with everyone talking past the other.

I have seen such before and frankly I hope it is not one of such predetermined mindset questions.

OLAADEGBU:
The presence of God was in the Ark of Covenant which warranted the worship of God before the Ark, in other words the presence of God. Are you then worshipping God when you bow before the image of Mary because you believe she is more of the presence of God than the Ark?

something close to that

StormInc:
I need a Catholic to tell me where and when this happened, who recorded it or where did the church get it from.

Quoted from the Roman Catholic Missal - These events are said to have been experienced by the "Virgin Mary"









I would really appreciate if any Catholic can explain where these came from.

ok, I am a Catholic and I'll be happy to answer your questions about the Catholic faith. Sorry I haven't been on NL for sometime now and it seems my fellow Catholics haven't been around either.

First I have to ask you where you got those quotes from because those are not from the Catholic missal, I know because I do own a missal, it is not even from a recognisable church document so please where did you get them from.

Even though I can't place the quotes, the titles are referring to catholic doctrines which I believe, if you need the historical context of those doctrines (not some quotes that can't be placed) I'll happily provide just ask though I imagine I will be slow since I am pretty busy.

IamJix:
I maybe wrong and I maybe right, no one can tell though.
I have not come across a new where he helped anyone hence my accusations.

so whenever he gives he should call d press?

For d fun of it i just asked google, it says mbakas ministry has a charity arm calling multilive saver, he caters for over 5,000 students in each academic year, doles out million to settle hospital bill for d poor etc, he is also an employer of labour abt 10,000, he recently recieved an award from the U.S congress in recognision of his humanitarian and educational services plus philantropy to d poor.

IamJix:

He went too far.
He shouldn't insult someone that couldn't give when he requested.

I dont disagree, he went too far, no catholic priest should force people to give publicly, as for politics i believe it is d job of ministers to speak truth to power and prophecy is a totally different animal but i am grateful his superiors are ther to curb human excess.

But i certainly dont agree with d insult campaign either, calling him self acclaimed, implying he doesnt give or calling him names are not acceptable.

IamJix:
How and where do I contact him, that's my question

TAKE A BUS GOING TO ENUGU, stop at holy ghost you'll find buses going to his adoration ground chikena.

Wonders10:
This self acclaimed man of God has got no chill at all... it's so painful to have Mbaka of all people talk like this ..

He is not self acclaimed, no catholic priest can be termed such, he was ordain by a bishop b4 thousands of people, he was anointed and hands laid on him, first as a deacon, then as a priest and thus acclaimed by the entire church to be a man of GOD. Not self acclaimed, it is not hard to find out who ordained him.

ruggedtimi:
serious matter oh!! how many of his members has he given money or even help

You can go to enugu and take statistic, it usually is not hard to find somebody who knows people who recieved aid from him

IamJix:
How do I get in contact with this Mbaka, I need 100k to pay my fees.



Since he calls everyone that can't give names.
He must be a fool.

There are many like you who he pays school fees for. giving is not his problem.