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bayelsaowei:
who or what is the catholic church?. Is the church Jesus ??

it is the church established by Jesus and his apostles

sonmvayina:
Christianity was birthed in Rome, by the emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire.. The Christian scriptures was added at the end of the Jewish Tanakh which they called the old testament. They used it as a base for their religion... Judaism and Christianity are 2 different religions... With different beliefs...

All the Christian scriptures or New testament are forgeries...

Just to deceive the gullible

this is untrue, there were already Christians in Rome before Constantine was born.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm this sounds appealing Sir, I never knew all these but please Sir
*is there any example of God's servants who celebrated birthdays in the Bible?
*what exactly did God's word say about copying the customs or traditions of those not serving the God of Israel?
*why didn't Joseph and Mary celebrated Jesus' birthday?
*perhaps Jesus was much more social than His parents, so why didn't He mark His own birthday?
*maybe Jesus was too preoccupied with the ministry, so was there any proof that the early Christians celebrated Jesus' birthday?
I'm asking to know for sure if people celebrating Christmas today aren't annoying God,since God is not speaking from the sky to show HIS approval and December period is often characterized by calamitous events!

I could ask the opposite, where does the bible condemn birthday celebration? where did you hear that the bible records all celebrations?

Beautiful.

9japrof:



All Nigerian governors irrespective of party divides are all tyrants, when would real separation of powers come into effect...

In a sane society, a democratically elected chairman cannot be unceremoniously removed from office by a Governor, but in Nigeria, this continues unabated since 1999.

Weather atiku or buhari wins next year, naija no get future, and that's me being optimistic

They were suspended by d pdp dominated state house of assembly not d governor

babyfaceafrica:
Good for you.. I prefer celebrating his death,because his death made us have hope and it is more symbolic...

how did he die if he was not born?

Elnino4ladies:
Was Jesus born on December 25th simple Yes/No

yes.

://www.nairaland.com/2060260/yes-christ-really-born-december

bayelsaowei:
who told you i have never celebrated xmas.. ,??.. i once was immersed in it.. but as a person open to facts and history I decided to dump the fraudulent celebration.. it's all fraud.. how does Santa claus relate to our lord and saviour Jesus?? Think of that and realize you're still thinking like a child who just wants to eat sweet and chewing gum..

Santa Claus is a abrevation of Santa Nicklaus or Nickolas, he was a Christian bishop of modern day Turkey and was instrumental in freeing slaves and providing generously but secretly for the poor, he is commemorated on my December 6 that is where the idea of giving gifts around December comes from.

bayelsaowei:
in all this hogwash no scriptural backing .. just folk tales with endless words.. if the apostles commemorated christs birth as you assert from your copied link kindly point it in the bible and stop this dribbling.. why is it so hard to just prove from the scriptures Jesus approved his birth celebration and that his apostles did same.. where is Santa clause in the scriptures??.. where is that date in the Jewish calendar that corresponds with our modern day calendar to bolster the basis for xmas celebration.. ??

Jesus approved his birth celebration because the bible tells us that angels came down to earth just to celebrate that birth, if the celebration of the birth is wrong why where the angels celebrating it?


The Bible doesn't record all things, do you know if Jesus pooed? No, but we can assume he did because he was a man like us in all things. Did the apostles celebrate easter? It is not written in the Bible but the writings of the early Christians are instructive that it is an ancient celebration from the apostles so too Christmas, in fact from as early as the year 150 we know in writing that Christian who were themselves taught by the apostles were celebrating it. So I have all the certainty I need.

TATIME:
At Jesus' birth,shepherds were with their flocks in the fields at night! Luke 2:8-14
During December period, Bethlehem Ephrata is characterized by incessant coldness, should we agree that those shepherds aren't business conscious?
Ceasar Augustus ordered all Jews to travel back to their homelands for a census, how is that possible when the Roman government are trying not to do anything that could make the Jews revolt, he couldn't give such orders during the cold season? Luke 2:1-4

funny thing is that if you go to Bethlehem today it is possible you will still find shepherds and flock today, Bethlehem can be warm in December. Bethlehem is not Russia.


Secondly Bethlehem was where the animals used in the Temple for sacrifice was trained so that there are always shepherds at there tending sheep and making the journey to Jerusalem all year round.





Reply to Objection 3: Recall that Palestine is not England, Russia, or Alaska. Bethlehem is situated at the latitude of 31.7. Dallas, Texas has the latitude of 32.8, and it’s still rather comfortable outside in December. As the great Cornelius a Lapide remarks during his lifetime, one could still see shepherds and sheep in the fields of Italy during late December, and Italy is at higher latitude than Bethlehem.

slimderek:
What happened to Jerusalem?
I'm sure there are other large cities close to Isreal.
Why Rome?
Was Jesus from Rome?
Remember it's the same Roman's that's killed Jesus.

if you are worried that the romans killed Jesus you should also remember that it was the jews who brought him forth for death and asked for the death penalty

slimderek:
What happened to Jerusalem?
I'm sure there are other large cities close to Isreal.
Why Rome?
Was Jesus from Rome?
Remember it's the same Roman's that's killed Jesus.

read Matt 16:16-20 compare with Isaiah 22:22.

Presidency of the church was given to one man in particular his name was Peter so where Peter was there was the principal Christian Church, Peter spent a long time in Jerusalem, then according to Pau in Galatians he moved to Antioch, early Christians are unanimous that he was on his way to Rome and that Peter and Paul built up the church in Rome and we're martyred there. That is how Rome became the pre-eminent Christian see... It is the church of Peter and Paul exercising the primacy Jesus Christ gave to St Peter.


It has nothing to do with Constantine, Rome was already the preeminent Christian see even before Constantine was born.

We go hear? Has Christmas not been in soaked in consumerism?

9inches:
I think this is the argument the person was trying to make. Skip to 5:49 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc?t=349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI

BIshop baron, nice and clear

Kamxin:
The probability is 99%. Any Nigerian that is always online somehow end up in Nairaland and read people's opinion.

anything is possible i guess.

Akin1212:
I was hoping to ask him these questions when he replies my mention. I will just stay back and watch.

I really want to know if the God he believes in is knowable.

I am waiting to see his response too.

LordReed:
But according to your fairytale book know the truth and it will make you free so how is it that those teaching the supposed truth have a significant population of deviants.

Seem you didnt finish the tales, it also has parables like wheat and tares, a sower with different soil etc.

the truth can set you free or make you culpable...it all depends on how it is received.
even within the church my tale book says there will be many who fall short in serious way as well as many whose lives have been transformed by d truth.

Kamxin:
CC Reno Omokari

Is he on nairaland?

frosbel2:
Lol - Pal I got rid of religion altogether - it is a farce and big joke. Just look at how many paedophile priests there are , and many sexually deviant evangelical pastors. It is the biggest waste of an able bodied man or woman's time.

Hope you didnt miss the amount of sexual deviants in the general population? there are bad people everywhere that doesnt invalidate religion or anything for that matter.

my question still remains, do u believe in God? do u believe he is knowable?

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usermane:
Thank you.

Is there any record of her having a sibling? Any brother or sister?

No, according to the aprocrypha book of james, mary was an only child, ann was barren, mary's birth was divine intervention when ann was already old.

Frosbel2, hope u remember me. I earlier told you your anti-catholicism would yield these fruits. You seem too keen that the catholic church was evil and u were happy to throwaway anything related to her.

I do hope you still believe in God.

usermane:
Peace Christians.

I'd be glad if you could respond to this. According to Christian sources, both canon and apocrypha, who were Mary's family? Particularly her father and siblings. Thank you.

References will be appreciated. Thanks.

according to a 2nd century tradition, their names were ann and joachim, this is found in the aprocrypha book of james. both the catholic church, d eastern orthodox churches and the oriental church seem to agree with it.

SarkinYarki:
They should be bold and outrightly ex communicate Reverend Mbaka because he is the only one doing that nonsense in the Catholic church I know... The Nigerian Catholic church has rubbished itself in the mud of politics over the years , we remember how the Catholic church clearly took sides with Buhari in the 2015 elections and see where that has left Nigerians today

This is a joke, excommunication in the catholic church is not child's play, it is guided by exant canon law, infact even if mbaka flouts this rule, he will be disciplined but not excommunicated.
the catholic bishop conference of nigeria is not political.

OkaNaUbe:
Which part is SUKUK part? Umunya-Awka is bad. Awka-Enugu is bad as at today. I was there last. month.

Umunya is bad but the is work ongoing there, i was there last week. there is a sukuk part is in the awka-enugu area, it is boldly written sukuk.

Kingdante:
Why don’t you show us the bible to back up the adoration and worship of Mary sir..... educate us on that sir.

And also every Christian is a saint says the bible you gave the world....

The catholic church does not believe in or practice adoration of mary.
To adore mary is a sin called idolatry. we do not do such.

OkaNaUbe:
This one self de talk.

Buhari lied about Onitsha-Enugu road.

He is actually correct, umunya in under construction, the sukuk part of the road has been completed

Kingdante:
The council of Laodicea (363ad)took place about 38 years after the council of Nicaea (325ad)

You know about the council of Laodicea but you don’t know why it was held, Let me tell you why.


The council took place soon after the conclusion of the war between the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire, waged by Emperor Julian. Julian, the last Constantinian emperor, attempted a full revival of paganism and resumed discrimination against Christians ( after Christianity was unbanned by Emperor Constantine)


Talking about the council of Nicea Pope Sylvester I was in attendance ...... if you are well versed with the succession of your Pope you will be very much aware that Sylvester rules way before Pope Damasus came to power.



Here is a link from the official catholic website, it contain facts and figures about the same council of Nicaea you all are saying didn’t happen.

https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=8436



From what ever source you get your information from, do a search on council of Nicaea......



I also did a search of Vatican officials website as well.

I can also give you links to letters and speeches by various popes containing details of the Council of Nicaea.



Don’t take my word for what it is, do a search on any official catholic website you know or believe.

of course there is a council called the council of Nicaea it was held to solve the Arian heresy but it DID NOT set the canon of the Bible, that is a lie

Kingdante:
I work with facts and figure, that information is on Wikipedia and on every major website owned and/or affliated to the Catholic Church, I was a seminarian (order of st Augustine) and we were ever taught that same information about the council of Nicaea ...... I will like you to enlighten me pls if you have a different view or understand regarding that, I am open minded.

there is nowhere Wikipedia says that the canon of scriptures was done by Constantine at nicea or that there was a Greek orthodox church then, please stop lying

Kingdante:
You wish, I am not against raising kids in a particular beliefs system or religion but I think Everyone should have a right to think and make necessary choices regarding serving God, but giving thst child the bible so he could search for the truth, there is nothing as fulfilling as personal convinction.

There is a saying that if you don’t know where you are going to every bus stop will look like your destination.

Don’t put a child in Legion of Mary and make that child kneel down saying repeated prayers to a statue of Mary, that’s is not biblical (it’s actually idolatry) and isn’t a path to the truth.... bear in mind that child might never see a need to actually study the bible even when he or she grows up, and the mind set will be “ cos I was born into this I can’t leave nor question it cos if it was false my parent and grandparents would have known”

my parents who raised me certainly made sure I had and read the Bible, both privately and publicly daily and more importantly they made sure I had access to how it has been faithfully interpreted in the Christian Church for 2000 years so I will not be deficient in biblical knowledge or half cooked in exegesis. No protestant can say the same, you may be giving a Bible but it is usually with your own private interpretation or the interpretation of pastors so and so which is why Protestantism has a big record for heresies.
The Bible was never written so that every Tom dick and Harry will decide for himself what it teaches, the Old Testament was written for the Jewish community with authorized teachers, the New Testament was written to the church who already knew the gospel in toto as a reminder. So I am happy to read scriptures under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and in the right context.


In that right context joining the legion of Mary is not even wrong as it is a dedication to Christ in the example and under the intercession of the blessed Mary, it is both good and holy.

StormInc:
Lol. You want to explain mysteries I don't know to me? Me wey been carry Legion of Mary for head. You explained the first three glorious mysteries with staunch bible reference. But the explanation of the last two that has to do with the Virgin Mary is flawed. You cannot say that Mary is coronated upon the fact that she is the mother of the David king. I would also like to see the writings of the early Christians you so talked about, let's know where they get their inspirations from

There is nothing flawed about it every mother of the king in the davidic dynasty is a queen mother having her own throne besides the king.

Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ a king according to Luke 1 of the davidic dynasty, his mother is automatically queen mother... Simple as ABC as for early Christians see them below.



St.Jerome tells us "We should realize that Mary means Lady in the Syrian language."

St. Peter Chrysologus says "The Hebrew name ‘Mary’ means ‘Domina’ [Lady] in Latin. The Angel therefore calls her Lady so that the Mother of the Lord, whom the authority of her Son made and caused to be born and to be called the Lady, might be without servile fear."

St. Ephrem has Mary say:
"Let Heaven sustain me in its embrace, because I am honored above it. For heaven was not Thy mother, but Thou hast made it Thy throne. How much more honorable and venerable than the throne of a king is his mother."

He also says of her:
"...girl, empress and ruler, queen, lady, protect and keep me in your arms lest Satan who causes evil exult against me, lest my wicked foe be glorified against me."

St. Gregory Nazianzen calls her "the Mother of the King of the entire universe" as well as "Virgin Mother who brought forth the King of the entire world."

Epiphanius of Constantinople said that the unity of the Church would be preserved "by the grace of the Holy and the con-substantial trinity and by the prayers of Mary, Our Lady, the holy and glorious Virgin and Mother of God."

St Andrew of Crete tells us "His ever-virgin Mother, from whose womb He, being God, took on human form, He today transports from earthly dwellings as Queen of the human race."
also : "the Queen of the entire human race faithful in reality to the meaning of her name, who is exalted above all things save only God himself."

St. Germanus says to her : "Be seated, Lady, for it is fitting that you should sit in a high place since you are a Queen and glorious above all kings."

St. John Damascene calls her : "Queen, ruler, and lady"

An Anonymous Eastern Father calls her "the perpetual Queen beside the King, her Son...whose glorious head is crowned with a golden diadem."

St. Ildephonsus of Toledo proclaims "O my Lady, my Ruler, Thou who governs me, Mother of my Lord...Lady among the handmaidens, Queen among sisters."

Kingdante:
I have been there before and I can clearly tell you that 80% catholics either don’t own a bible or personally don’t study the bible...... why should they do that anyway when the bulletin is there for Sunday and almost every other society (except the Catholic charismatic renewal) in the church placed their focus on Mary and/or have a Manuel or pamphlet of selected prayers and order of worship...anyway that aside.


Technically speaking it wasn’t the Catholic church that coupled or put the bible together, it was emperor Constantine I (who happen to be a pagan and well celebrated in the occultic world) he even baptised at the time and also mind you that meeting had bishop and delegate from Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church,oriental orthodoxy, Assyrian church of the East etc in attendance.


Also it’s Important to know his reason for putting the bible together and unbanning Christianity.
It was simply to gain political support among Christian bishop and for the unification of the Roman Empire which he did by unifying Christianity and pagan worship, that is clearly seen in the tradition, doctrine and dogma of the Catholic Church today...... I can give you a list of them and how it connect to pagan worship of you want me to.


It’s easy to think that the apostles taught directly in the Catholic Church but you seems to forget that for the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire and Christians terribly persecuted..... we were often told then in church that apostle Paul is the first pope, till date I am still searching for biblical, historical or archeological evidence to support that claim.


Also you said something about word of mouth teachings, let me state here one of the reason that council of Nicaea happened was that at a point in time a lot of teaching and letters were in circulation and most were not verifiable, traceable nor in line with the doctrine of the bible, thus it became confusing for Christian which teaching to follow and which is fake.....thus putting the bible together was more like verifying some and disapproving some letter and teaching in circulation. now if you are saying some of your doctrine, dogma or teaching not found in the bible was taught via word of mouth how can we verify that? especially when it not only goes against biblical doctrine but it is also out rightly condemned in the bible.



Mind you I was a catholic and I almost became a priest until I started studying the bible...... I am not trying to insult or fight over this I am just trying to wake up my fellow brother and sisters who might still be sleeping.


Be sincere to yourself my brother the disciples in the bible from what we’ve read and understood about them, do they fit into present day catholic or present day petecostant..... I leave that for my opponent to answer.




A dude here @pachukuwma made a post blasting tithe payers he just exposed his ignorance cos he clearly don’t know that the catholic pay tithe too.

constantine was not there when the bible was canonised that is a lie.

Secondly the council of nicea didn't canonise the Bible.

Thirdly, there was no eastern orthodox or oriental orthodox church when the bible canon was been set at hippo and Carthage another lie.