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tintingz: This have been on my mind why the bible(new testament) did'nt give any report or account of Mary mother of Jesus(peace be upon her)

or the way christians call her "mother of God", if Mary is truely the mother of God and Jesus is God according to christian saying why is it that we dont have a single chapter or report of Mary (mother of Jesus) given her view: life of Jesus(as) both young and grown and the way "christian God"(Jesus christ) lived in his young and teenage life(if he performed any miracle during his teen) if truely Jesus (peace be upon him) is God and the saviour of the world who carried the whole sin of mankind, atleast we have Mary chapter(surah Mariam) in the Quran why not also have it in the bible even catholics don't have it in their bible.
Any thought for this please give yours. Thanks

mkmyers45: @First Bolded: What word do you use for what allegedly transends logic?

Can you relate that point with logic so we can see the difference and agree to its superiority.

@Second Bolded: You can be kind enough to copy and paste them here for all....

big father: Agents of END TIME !

MacDaddy01: Jesus Cleanses the Temple

13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.”



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Are we to assume that Jesus walked calmly with a whip and the all ran away?

mkmyers45: Normally religion is only a matter of faith and the logic of science doesn't apply. Other than the concept of Designed Humanism, are there other religions that can combine God with a belief in logic?

MacDaddy01: Flog the sinner, hate the sin. Sounds appropriate.

OLAADEGBU: When it says that Jesus was in the form of God it means that He was God from eternity who created all things and this is corroborated in John 1:1-3

Jesus Christ thought it not robbery to be equal with God means that He didn't cling to His deity as a robber will cling to its plunder. It means that despite the fact that He took up the outward form of a man it did not detract from His intrinsic deity.



If Charles T. Russel understood it he wouldn't have twisted it to mean something else and there wouldn't have been this many false religion and cults today. If you read further in John 17 that you quoted you will discover that Jesus Christ was with the Father before coming down to earth. He said:

"And now, O Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was" (John 17:5).

You see here that Jesus Christ declared that He was with the Father before the world came into existence, and that the Father loved Him before the foundation of the world (vs 24). In John 1:1-3 as I earlier quoted you will see that Jesus Christ is the eternal Word through which the Father created the Cosmos but that He laid aside His glory temporary so as to finish God's work of the redeeming of His creation.



I hope you are not quoting from the dodgy NWT that has been twisted to deny the truth. Here is what the authorised version says:

"The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was" (Proverbs 8:22-23).

The word "Possessed" in verse 22 is the same word as "acquired". It means that the Lord Jesus Christ was not just the Son of God, but that He was the only begotten Son of God. It means that He was "in the beginning" with God as the gospel of John put it in (John 1:1-2), Simultaneously He is the only begotten, eternally proceeding from the Father



I have addressed this misconception of yours if you read earlier posts. The Father and Son are both referred to as the mighty God. (See Isaiah 1:24).

"Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies." (Isaiah 1:24).

"But how his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob . . . " (Genesis 49:24).

"Until I find a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob." (Psalm 132:5).

"For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regards not persons, nor takes reward" (Deuteronomy 10:17).

Who do you think is referred to as the mighty God here?



Can you answer this question? Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour?

MacDaddy01: lololol....did Jesus preach love to the merchants in his church?

Enigma:

Kyrie eleison!

plaetton: This is excellent.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said here, because,it might surprise you that I feel somewhat the same way.
You see the problems and disagreement arise when theists come here trying prove the existence of god by throwing convoluted logic around.
It is great folly to attempt to prove or demonstate something that is wholly an abstract and subjective notion.

Perhaps as we further evolve over time,we may develop the physical tools or brain capacity to be able discern god in a more objective way.

But for now, my opinion, based on available tools and knowledge is that god is resident only within the sacred prescints of the human mind.

yes u luv all dat exist, u hold nthing of what u created in abhorrence, for had u hated anythin u would nt have made it. And how had u nt willed it, could a thing persist, how be be conserved if nt called forth by u? U spare all thing becos all things are urs, lord, lover of life, u whnse imperishable spirit is in all. Wisd. 11;24-7

plaetton: This is excellent.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said here, because,it might surprise you that I feel somewhat the same way.
You see the problems and disagreement arise when theists come here trying prove the existence of god by throwing convoluted logic around.
It is great folly to attempt to prove or demonstate something that is wholly an abstract and subjective notion.

Perhaps as we further evolve over time,we may develop the physical tools or brain capacity to be able discern god in a more objective way.

But for now, my opinion, based on available tools and knowledge is that god is resident only within the sacred prescints of the human mind.

yes u luv all dat exist, u hold nthing of what u created in abhorrence, for had u hated anythin u would nt have made it. And how had u nt willed it, could a thing persist, how be be conserved if nt called forth by u? U spare all thing becos all things are urs, lord, lover of life, u whnse imperishable spirit is in all. Wisd. 11;24-7

plaetton: He he he. why does anyone need god! For what ultimate purpose! so that........!

I have long long transcended the need for an imaginary god.

If I wanna get high, there are herbs that can do that for me.

lol

For those who create this god, isn't it very obvious that the god project has been a dismal failure! Why continue to create a product that devours people's brain and robs them of their essential humanity!

suwailad: @Inesqor by intangible what do you mean by that?

ijawkid: Witnesses teach d truth about HELL and how d bible views it....

They are correct.....

I espouse there stance on there repudiating d false pagan hell fire dogma.......

And ofcus the logical question u heard is infact sometin to deliberate on....

When lazaruz was ressurected did he give any news or story of hellfire or heaven.??

Good question....

Unlike d many fraudulent stories we hear of persons who claim to had visited hellfire after going thru some trance.....

I'm not going to decide for u where to go or worship....

Most important thing is read ur bible.....the bible explains itself.....

Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

lilkech: Hello,

I and some guys are in an argument. And a question has come up.

We all know that each and every individual and entity has a name, and it is right to believe that every name has a meaning. Both foreign and native names all have their respective meanings. E.g

IGBO - EZE - KING

YORUBA - TUNDE - ANOTHER FATHER

ENGLISH - CYNTHIA - GODDESS

Your name(s) has its own meaning, mine have theirs, even down history and into the bible its the same. But why I started this thread is to know the meaning of the word 'GOD'.

Why I ask this is because I know that tribes and races have their different 'gods' and their gods have names which have meanings we can translate it to.

According to the dictionary God is defined as "The creator and ruler of the universe and the founder of all moral authority", but the question here is not 'who is God' (atheists please take special note) instead the question is 'what does the word/name God mean'?

One guy was open enough to make meaning of our debate and told us that the word God means 'cause to happen'. Another guy when asked answered that it means 'Jehovah' when asked further what Jehovah meant he said 'I AM THAT I AM' when asked further still what it meant he then came right back to 'God' . . . Well, what can I say? I don't know the meaning of the name 'GOD'

Or do you?

ATMC: u missed something in my post. I wasn't referring to praying 'to' but 'for' the dead. They differ.
R u in essence saying there's such thing as purgatory?

ATMC: u missed something in my post. I wasn't referring to praying 'to' but 'for' the dead. They differ.
R u in essence saying there's such thing as purgatory?

musKeeto: So could you define the relationship between faith and reason?

If faith is evidence of things not seen, how does that tally with reason/logic? Isn't reason/logic validated by evidence? Can you say the same for faith..

SEEING IS BELIEVING, BELIEVING IS SEEING?

wirinet: Are you Mr Olaadegun alter ego? You make so many false claims, unfounded assumptions and worse still outright lies just to sell your dogma - and you claim to be a geologist.

First Noah without any engineering background, almost single-handedly built the ark with God's help , so it would be misleading to say that it was built by amateurs. Noah was not an amateur ship engineer because he had never built a boat in his life. Just like Mohammad could not claim to be an amateur author as he had never written before writing the Koran. 

I had explain in another post of the same topic that it was impossible for water to flood the whole earth up to 17,000ft (actually up to 29,000ft to be able to cover mount Everest). To do that you need over 30times the quantity of water we have on earth today. Where did the water come from and where did it go after the flood?

The Titanic was a feat of Engineering because it floated and sailed, it sank because it stuck an ice berg. There is no physical evidence that a wooden boat that is capable of accommodating two of every specie of plant, animal and probably fresh water fishes of the world ever floated not to talk of sailing. And besides the ark would have to strike an ice burg or a rock on a mountain before we can conclude that it is unsinkable or unbreakable.

truthislight: imagine!
Why not tell me what animal blood has to do with the sins of the sons of israel?

Was it the animal that commited the sin?
Oh! You are asking what kind of justice is that? Ask God.

Did you not hear that the law was a shadow of things to come?

Are you not aware that the bible said "without blood being pored there is no 4giveness of sin?

InFact this are too elementry for me to come on net and start typing, go read your bible instead of following tradition.

I think every one knows what a ransom is,
go read romans from start to finish,

just as Adam was the first man created on earth so is Jesus the first born of all creation (that is the first born of things created)

Ihedinobi: I have said elsewhere that I do not care to know anything except I have been shown that it somehow bears upon the increase of Christ in the life. I do not care for argument for its own sake, or argument intended to rip an opposing view to pieces. I argue to test ideas against all the power of reason, hopefully Holy Spirit-governed reason too by any luck. The issue I wish to present here for study and debate, as far as I can see, bears upon the Christian's development such that a misapprehension of it renders him ill disposed to the Love of Christ which is the Very Nature of God from whom the Christian is said to derive birth.

I beg that each commenter presents his arguments with respect to the categories I have listed out. Where you consider each category inadequate in accommodating your position, I beg that you define clearly what your position is and go on to establish it in the Bible.

I actually meant to join in on Frosbel's thread on the matter and in fact did with the following statement, but I felt that that argument ran too long to accommodate the approach I was bringing to it. This is why I imported my opening statement straight off my comment on that thread with very little editing to begin this new one. I look forward to your answers.

"I stand on the Bible's revelation of God as a trinity of three persons in perfect unity. I will not try to show how that concept makes sense, but I will gladly show that the Scriptures take the trinity of God for granted.

But, for those who question the deity of Jesus Christ, I ask you to please show how His Death on the Cross made any sense if He was not God Himself.

For those who insist that the trinity is absurd, and that there is no such thing, please show that the Bible says so and indicate willingness to reconcile portions in the Bible that contradict that position.

Finally, for those who think that the Trinity is One Person Who assumes three different aspects, explain how such a Person is Perfect Love, because the Bible says that God is Love. Love must, by very definition, have an object. Therefore if this Person is Perfect Love, they must have been Loving something perfectly from before there ever was a Creation. You will indicate how God as One Person is Perfect Love while loving nothing (or show what He was loving) until He created. Also explain why He created at all.

My questions are directed only at such as accept the Bible as final authority. If you do not, please ignore my questions, they are not directed at you at all."

Deep Sight: [color=#000099]^^^ And what does it take to worship God, if not simply be a good person?
Are the outward forms and rituals, such as Prayer, Praise, Ceremonies etc really required by a Living God?

In all sincerity, let me ask you what you understand by the injunction that one must worship God is Spirit and in Truth?

In my own understanding, that simply means that dead outward ceremonies are not the substance of worshipping God - that the worship of God rather relates to the inward state of the spirit which corresponds to eternal truth.

This is why I brought up the parable of the good Samaritan, which I thought should be sufficient to show you from your own bible that the worship of God has absolutely nothing to do with outward ceremonies, rituals or dogmatic or doctrinal acknowledgements.

So it should be noted that the parable was given within a context of salvation – namely that which would be required for one to be accepted with God.

Now it is instructive that Jesus selects a Priest and a Levite to demonstrate his point – because the Priest and the Levite as you well know symbolize those who expressly acknowledge God, accept all the attendant doctrines about God and morality, and actively execute the outward rituals of “worshipping” God. The Levites as you know were a dedicated tribe of holy priests within the nation of Israel.

However Jesus has just shown what I am trying to say – namely that all the outward forms of acknowledgement of God which these people subscribed to did not in any way mean that they were really worshipping God – because of their action of ignoring the man who was hurt.

sammyjay441: u 2re nt worthy 2 exist u born by mistake

ATMC: Tx bro goshen, i like u a lot, u know dt? U nd other brethren should clear me on this: when jesus said dt d sin against d holy spirit shall not be forgiven neither in this world nor in d world to come, does it mean dt there r sins dt can be forgiven in d world to come, cos of late i'm begining to believe dt there is forgiveness in d world to come except dt a certain sin wont be forgiven as such. This has made me to think about d roman catholics nd d church of jesus christ of d latter day's saint, who pray for d dead, how come about this revelation to them?

Deep Sight: Please Mr Annoy, its just a joke, you know where it started. . . don't become MR ANNOYED



Then how could you say the below - -



What does it entail to reject christ? I already posted alot about this question in other threads but I presume you have read them? I believe that rejecting christ means rejecting the teaching of love: and not rejecting notions about his deity (which no one can be expected to know for sure, much less commanded to know for sure in order to be saved) or notions about his death and resurrection.

Surely, christ himself taught as much in the parable of the good samaritan, and elsewhere, no?

Need I elaborate?

plaetton: God has caused so many problems in this country, so much bloodshed, so much hatred and division, so much exploitation, so much abuse of the poor, innocent and the defenceless, so much slapping, raping and sapping. Isn't it time we do a little bit of introspection and ask ourselves some questions about god?.

Now, I expect everyone to say my god is not connected to evil,my own god is this and my own god is that.
Yeah sure!
That is exactly the main problem: the very idea that your god is better than the god of the other person.
We have seen and are seeing much destruction of both the physical and metal potentials of an entire race as a result of this obscene obsession with middle east gods.
I say with a very loud voice that It is high time we DEPORT god back to where ever they conjoured him up from.
The bible and the koran seem to be acting as trojan horses in our society.

I hear that god caused a lot of trouble in the middle east as well as in Europe too.

Can you imagine,the governor of Plateau state has just informed us that god had revealed to him that he was punishing Plateau with death and terror as recompense for her sins. Wow.
This means that the governor has abdicated his responsibility to protect the people of plateau State from the terror of Fulani jihadists.
So, to the people of plateau state, you are on your own, god has sanctioned and commandeth it that you shall perish.
Who can argue with god?

Again, I say, lets deport god from our land and see if we can have security,peace and dignity.

Lets see a show of hands if you support this idea.
I actually want to take a poll on this, how do I do it?

Rossikk: I've been thinking about this story of the Jesus character ascending up 'into heaven' before onlookers.

Think about that carefully. It's the most crazy idea isn't it?

For starters, the implication is that heaven is an actual physical location 'up there', like on some distant planet. But everything we know about the afterlife or spirit world indicates that it's a different spiritual dimension, as opposed to a different physical location. Thus one can only go to heaven by shedding one's physical body via death, and assuming the spiritual or ethereal one that allows one to dwell in heaven. One cannot enter heaven with a physical body. Surely! Thus the idea of 'Jesus' ascending up into heaven before onlookers is most absurd, even by the crazy standards of the Jewish book of fairytales called the bible, isn't it?

but seriously this dubious pretense of yours is pathetic. This is take a look at post 360 (seven posts back) you'll see I specified the alexander, you even replied in a manner that showed you knew exactly who I was talking about.

I don't think I have the energy any more to continue this argument as we will just keep going round in circles.

However, I am still interested in that "clear proof" of Mary's "immaculate conception" When you come across the link, please send it my way. I'd love to see it.

maryswags: Where in d bible did christ gave the church power 2 forgive sins? When readin d bible, pls don't pick a particular verse to interprete, read d whole chapter and if possible d sorrounding chapters to get a grasp of the full stories

OLAADEGBU: We are still expecting Ubenedictus to get back and tell us how Mary became the spouse of the Holy Spirit.