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blueAgent:
Ok no problem every one call be venerated but give me example of how you venerate Mary.

VERY SIMPLE, i call her 'blessed mother', 'new eve', when i talk or sing of what God has done for her.... that is veneration

OLAADEGBU:
If Mary is more of the presence of God as represented in the Ark then you are more than welcome to bow down before her image and worship the 'mother of God.'

Of course mary is more of the presence of GOD than some piece of wood and gold. but i won't worship her i would worship GOD who gave her grace and honour her his vessel of glory just as the israelites did with the ark.

janettee:
My thoughts exactly, it's the usual cherry picking as always. Embracing some parts of the bible and ignoring some.

You can't be gay and a christain..

this is not true, one CAN have same sex attraction, be chaste and still be a very good christian much better than many heterosexual.

pyyxxaro:
The Russian version of Bro Mbaka , sorry Father Mbaka

I'm not sure the comparism. but fr mbaka does NOT wear gucci.

Aizenosa:
Nah I am a core archdiocese of Benin member dis is new this way.

new, as in you've never heard it?

Syncan:
Sunshine, am not as anonymous as Ubenedictus o.

na, I'm not even that anonymous on nl, my state of origin is here somewhere, my village is also here, so also my approximate location, u seem more anonymous all things considered.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you saying that scriptures quoted by the OP is without context?

I'm saying the op is cherry picking scripture

Aizenosa:
Honour to Mary and Joseph is mostly done by Order of Saint Joseph and the parishes they preside.

not just them, the entire archdiocese of Benin, I believe also use the Mary and Joseph response

Nodogragra4me:
I don't understand Catholics, when a Reverend father is caught in the act they come up with one silly tale. ...one said Edeh has been excommunicated now this one say Mbaka is self acclaimed . Did he ordained himself a Catholic priest or has he also been excommunicated, like the North Korean leader in Okija and Elele?

who told you the op is a Catholic?


which North Korean leader was excommunicated in okija and elele?

blueAgent:
Lie go and read the book of revelation from chapter 1 where Jesus was admonishing the 7 Churchs.

I saw all the admonition of the churches in Asia minor, I can't find anywhere it says the entire church of Christ will be hijacked from Rome to Jerusalem even after Jesus promised that the gates of hell will never prevail and he will be with her till the end of the world.

blueAgent:
Like i said before God did not instruct us to venerate Mary your Church imposed that.

. no dear God did instruct us to venerate Mary, when he inspired it to be written that all generation will call her blessed.

josh123:
During DAT time d ark of God represent d present and glory of God,God told them to worship him.Mary is just a mare mortal like u and i,and Catholics decided to worship her. She was only previledged to b d mother of Jesus,any other virgin woman can b d mother of jesus

the ark is simply pieces of wood and gold consecrated for God's service. it represents God's glory correct.


Mary is truly a creature of God, who was greatly graced, and is now living in his Glory, she is not just a representation of Gods Glory, in her God has manifested his glory
the ark was just a representation, in Mary we see a reality of glory called grace.

blueAgent:
Venerating anybody other than Jesus is totally wrong.

actually everyone can be venerated, from parents to wife to heroes, etc, each time the great deeds of someone is told he is been honored aka venerated.
each time you address someone by a title, the same applies,...

there is nothing wrong there.

solite3:
People who don't care are attracted to the Ecumenical Movement, which demands no loyalty to any one belief or person; whereas Biblical Christianity demands strict loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ. Since Satan is a liar whose purpose is to kill, steal and destroy (John 10:10); he must mislead people with false religions. The Ecumenical Movement attempt to legitimize false religions. But Biblical Christianity shines the Light of God's Word upon the darkness and exposes Satan's true agenda. Ecumenism is a lie of the Devil, which stinks with the stench of rotting religion and self-righteous spiritual corpses.

The Ecumenical Movement is nothing more than Satan trying to legitimize all false religions. Whereas the Bible proclaims the Doctrine of Christ (2nd John 1:9); Ecumenism indoctrinates people with manmade traditions and worldly philosophies that are falsehoods and lies of Satan. Phooey on religion! The Bible does not teach religion; it teaches THE TRUTH!

funny

solite3:
in other words ecumenism is about the brotherhood of man. the op was right after all.

ecumenism accept people as believers? believers in what?
ecumenism also states that all, irrespective of people's beliefs, all in essence leads to God. Do you accept this? is this what Jesus taught?

no sir,

ecumenism accepts people as people and believer as believers.


it doesn't mean all belief leads to God. all belief do Not lead to God.

let me give an example.
I practice ecumenism, so when I see I Muslim, I first accept him as a human being, I agree that he believes that there is a God who can be known and from that starting point I can beginning a friendship with him, where as the opportunity present itself we can talk of Jesus as the fullness of divine revelation.

when I see an Anglican, I affirm both his humanity, he believe in God and in Jesus, his death, resurrection and life, I affirm that he believes and the work of the spirit, from there we can discuss issues we disagree on like gay marriage, female ministers, the Eucharist, etc.

solite3:
Ecumenicals Preach Love and Unity; But Totally Disregard Truth

Billy Graham is the most infamous figure in the apostate Ecumenical Movement, sinfully uniting unbelieving Catholics together with confused and compromised Protestants. The goal of Satan's Ecumenical agenda is to diminish, water-down and corrupt Biblical Christianity.

Ecumenicals speak about love, unity and fellowship; but in reality they are promoting sinful compromise with God's enemies. The Bible says Jesus came to turn family members against each other (Luke 12:53). What does this mean? It means that people will give you up, even your own family will abandon you sometimes, when you stand for the truth of God's Word. This is why the Bible says in 2nd Timothy 3:12 that those who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. If you carry a Bible, the world will give you up.

Ecumenicals blame radically-minded, bigoted, Bible-believing Christians for all the evil in the world. They talk about how we should all get along with each other, and set aside our religious differences. They continually teach that love is what the world needs. This all sounds fine and dandy, but when you strip away the outer facade of sheep's skin, you'll find sinful compromise and a total disregard for Biblical truth. In the mind of the Ecumenical, nothing matters except love and unity. Hence, they will never criticize anyone's beliefs, no matter how unbiblical they may be. In fact, they would follow the Antichrist if he rose to power tomorrow. That is exactly what Satan's plan is for the Ecumenical Movement, i.e., to lead all the religious denominations into a One-World religion that worships the Beast.

Ecumenicals errantly accuse Bible-believing Christians of being ignorant, intolerant and hateful. Ecumenicals consider anyone who is adamant in their Biblical faith as blinded to the truth; but it is they, the fools that they are, who are woefully lacking of spiritual sense and faith in God. They are unsaved rebels, pulling on the same rope as the Devil, criticizing God's children. Followers of the Ecumenical Movement span a broad spectrum of varied walks of life. Nearly all musicians, singers, entertainers and celebrities are extremely ecumenical, including professed Christians. None of them have the courage to dare say that Christianity is the ONLY true path to Heaven. To do so would seriously jeopardize their careers. John 12:43 says they choose the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Ecumenicalists are deceivers, hypocrites and liars, who reject the Bible as the Final Authority. They speak of love and unity; but they are some of the most closed-minded people in the world, condemning anyone who is dogmatic in their beliefs. Ecumenism is the religion of the New World Order, where anyone is allowed to believe anything except Biblical Christianity. They say that we should all be tolerant of other faiths and beliefs; but they are extremely intolerant themselves of Biblical Christianity. They are hypocrites!

no dear ecumenism has nothing against biblical Christianity but it certainly is against Christian fanaticism

blueAgent:
So why don't you pray worship venerate Jacob,David,Abraham....e.t.c?

we actually do venerate them, they are the patriarchs and our forebears, their veneration is popular in eastern Catholicism, Elijah is popularly venerated amongst the Carmelite monks

JMAN05:
Are you saying that those bible books in that quote aren't there or what?

of course there are books not in that list, that list is actually what a child should read, hence iranaeus and Cyprian make it.

Jerome tells us what he considered to be canonical scripture, 22 books of the Hebrew canon, he also gave a list of what he considered ecclesiastical scripture according to the churches deuterocanonical.

it is books that do not make both lists of scripture that are called aprocryphal.

If you had read the write up where he favored 22 books, you will understand that from context, he never viewed those books as inspired. You will also note that when he used apocryphal, he meant those books you class as deuterocanonicals. I dont know on what he was over ruled, what I know from his writings, is that he doesnt view these books as inspired. Jerome's writing in that paragraph leaves no doubt as to what he meant. read it ursef.

Where is this list in the bold faced words? Is it part where he mentioned the 22 books?

sadly you are the one who seem ignorant on this.

Jerome lists two lists he considered scripture, one list he called canonical, the other list he called ecclesiastical, both he referred to as scripture. the deuterocanon is classed as ecclesiastical scripture not apocryphal.

the first list goes thus;


These instances have been just touched upon by me (the
limits of a letter forbid a more discursive treatment of
them) to convince you that in the holy scriptures you can
make no progress unless you have a guide to shew you the
way...Genesis ... Exodus ... Leviticus ... Numbers ...
Deuteronomy ... Job ... Jesus the son of Nave ... Judges ...
Ruth ... Samuel ... The third and fourth books of Kings ...
The twelve prophets whose writings are compressed within
the narrow limits of a single volume: Hosea ... Joel ... Amos
... Obadiah ... Jonah ... Micah ... Nahum ... Habakkuk ...
Zephaniah ... Haggai ... Zechariah ... Malachi ... Isaiah,
Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel ... Jeremiah also goes four
times through the alphabet in different metres
(Lamentations)... David...sings of Christ to his lyre; and on
a psaltry with ten strings (Psalms) ... Solomon, a lover of
peace and of the Lord, corrects morals, teaches nature
(Proverbs and Ecclesiastes), unites Christ and the church,
and sings a sweet marriage song to celebrate that holy
bridal (Song of Songs) ... Esther ... Ezra and Nehemiah.
(Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post Nicene
Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1953, Volume VI, St.
Jerome, Letter LIII.6-8, pp. 98-101).


the second list include;
As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of
Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical
Scriptures, so let it also read these two volumes (Wisdom
of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus) for the edification of the
people, not to give authority to doctrines of the Church...I
say this to show you how hard it is to master the book of
Daniel, which in Hebrew contains neither the history of
Susanna, nor the hymn of the three youths, nor the fables
of Bel and the Dragon... (Ibid., Volume VI, Jerome, Prefaces
to Jerome's Works, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of
Songs; Daniel, pp. 492-493).

Jerome was against all apocryphal and advised they should not be read, but not so the deuterocanon, be states it edifies.

You are still quoting Jerome out of context. Jerome was stating the church views the Septuagint as inspired, yet when they read the book of Daniel, they port to the translation by Theodotion. Theodotion and the Hebrew Bible didnt add the book of Daniel as a prophetic book. they added Daniel as among the Writtings, not Prophets. This angered Rufinus, but Jerome was following what was already in place. It wasnt his invention. That was the judgment of the churches he followed. But he however, ridiculed the double standard, asked Rufinus why they would prefer a translation by a Jew and discard his own, a christian.

no dear, I didn't quote him off context, have you read Jerome Vulgate of Daniel? it is from the Greek and contains the dueterocanonical parts, if he considered is apocryphal and not to be read, why did he translate it? Jerome neither liked the theodoton version but he was happy to repeat that he was submitting to the judgement of the churches. that should tell u something

In his reference on the apocryphals, he highlighted a story told by a certain Jewish Teacher mocking the writings of those apocryphals. It is this writings that Rufinus charged against him, but Jerome saw it as laughable why Rufinus will charge such against him. He was not renoucing his view of the apocryphals.

and he denied holding such opinions.
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In one of his writings he stated this:

"...[b]from the Old Testament which is not found in our manuscripts. For example, `Out of Egypt have I called my Son' (Matt 2:15): `For he shall be called a Nazarene' (Ibid. 23): and `They shall look on him whom they pierced' (John 19:37): and `Rivers of living water shall flow out of his belly' (John 7:38): and `Things which eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man, which God hath prepared for them that love him' (I. Cor. 2:9), and many other passages which lack their proper context. Let us ask our opponents then where these things are written, and when they are unable to tell, let us produce them from the Hebrew. The first passage is in Hosea, (11:1), the second in Isaiah (11:1), the third in Zechariah (12:10), the fourth in Proverbs (18:4), the fifth also in Isaiah (64:4). Being ignorant of all this many follow the ravings of the Apocrypha, and prefer to the inspired books the melancholy trash which comes to us from Spain"[/b]

This is just one example of how he view those books.

and the passage quoted by Stephen can't be found in the Hebrew text, the virgin birth can't be found there either nor certain text quoted in the book of Hebrew but they are all in the Septuagint.

of course Jerome hated the apocryphal, but he never classed the deuterocanon as apocryphal, he classed them as ecclesiastical, so the quote above is not about the deuterocanon but about works that came from Spain, the deuterocanon isn't from Spain.

blueAgent:
How does this bible verse imply that we should pray,venerate,worship or exalt Mary?

many great personalities in the Bible were blessed and honoured by God yet we don't pray or venerate them

that very act of calling certain person blessed is itself an act of veneration aka honor

solite3:
Why Ecumenism Exists

The Bible says that Jesus spake openly to the world (John 18:20). Jesus had nothing to hide. Proverb 1:20 says that wisdom crieth in the streets. There is no shame nor reason to hide the truth. In sharp contrast, Satan is a filthy liar (John 8:44). The Devil disguises himself in sheep's clothing, to hide his true identify as an evil being (Matthew 7:15). The Devil pretends to be an angel of light (2nd Corinthians 11:15). The Bible also teaches that Satan's unrighteous ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness (2nd Corinthians 11:13-14). Satan deceives his victims.

This is why Ecumenicalism exists, to deceive humanity. Ecumenism refuses to identify any minister as being unrighteous. In the Ecumenical Movement, every religion is considered legitimate. No one is allowed to criticize anyone else's religion. It is rare for Hollywood celebrities to criticize anyone else's religion. When they do, they are scorned and ridiculed by the newsmedia; unless of course they speak evil of Christianity, then it's acceptable.

Listen to the blasphemous words of heretic, Pope Benedict XVI, who teaches that people with no Biblical faith can be saved...

Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope Benedict XVI

Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
November 30, 2005

VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.

The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).

SOURCE: Pope Benedict XVI's general audience, Nov. 30 2005

TobyMac, ecumenical sellout for Satan!Blasphemy! Jesus said that a man MUST be born-again in order to enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:1-5). Acts 4:10-12 teaches that there is NO OTHER way to be saved than through faith in the name of Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:26 teaches that we are God's children by faith in Jesus Christ! The Pope is a liar and an antichrist!

Yet TobyMac praises the Pope and the Catholic Church, without saying even one negative word of warning, or telling Catholics that they cannot get to Heaven that way. It means that either Toby McKeehan is not saved himself; or else he is a big time sellout who is hiding his candle under a bushel. Jesus is ashamed to know TobyMac, because TobyMac won't tell his fans the truth about the Catholic Church (Matthew 10:33).

Over one Billion people follow the Catholic religion! Pope Benedict XVI says you don't even need faith if your a good person; but Jesus said, Ye must be born again! (John 3:5). TobyMac has influence over several million fans, and yet not a word of warning is ever given to anyone about Catholicism. You just read for yourself that Pope Benedict XVI teaches a false gospel. TobyMac instead praise the Catholic Church, saying it was an “honor” to meet the man of sin himself, Pope John Paul II.

There's nothing “cool” (as TobyMac says) about false religion that blinds the masses, and leads men's souls into Hell fire forever. Luke 11:44, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.” Jesus likened the self-righteous religious leaders of His day to open graves that unsuspecting people fall into. It's no different today! Jesus plainly teaches in Mark 7:9 that it is a sin to keep manmade TRADITIONS instead of obeying the Commandments of God. Catholic traditions are of the Devil.

Ecumenicalism refuses to recognize any minister as being of the Devil. Ecumenism tolerates the wicked Catholic religion, which is straight out of the pits of Hell. Someone needs to speak the truth of God's Word. Satan is a liar, and his ministers in Catholicism are liars, and anyone who teaches a path to Heaven without Jesus Christ is a liar.

Liars, liars, liars... the world is filled with liars! Let God be true, but every man a liar (Romans 3:4). The Ecumenical Movement exists because the Devil is a liar. The Pope is a liar! Muhammad is a liar! Confucius is a liar! Gandhi is a liar! Allah is a liar! The Koran is a liar! The Talmud is a liar! Judaism is a liar! Mormonism is a liar! Seventh-Day Adventism is a liar! Lutheranism is a liar! Catholicism is a liar! Women preachers are liars! The Devil has no truth in him, when he speaks, he is a liar!

Protestantism is a liar of course we know.

but ecumenism is not about accepting peoples errors, it is about accepting people as human beings and believers and working on the differences instead of killing each other.

solite3:
who says the mother of believers is Israel? neither is Sarah the mother of believers, I don't know where you got that from.

Jerusalem that is in heaven is not a person neither is it the church but the the city where God lives.


Israel was never replaced



Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Sarah is not the new Israel where do you get such error? the new Israel is the church but it never replaced israel. At the fullness of time israel will surely fulfill her purpose.




none of what you wrote disproved the fact of what I wrote. the woman in revelation 12 is Israel, she will fulfill her purpose after the church has left this earth under the antichrist government those people who are described in revelation 12 are Jews that will bear witness for Christ during the antichrist rule.




in other words you agree that the Roman Catholic Church killed christians, the so called mother church was persecuting christians simply because they did not agree with the papal rule? Rcc is filled with blood and God will avenge for his people.

the early church never killed or persecuted any man even when they could easily have done so but they surrendered themselves to be persecuted and killed because they were for Christ but for RCC what do you have? because that religion just like Islam is not of God.

the heavenly Jerusalem is not a physical place it is a spiritual reality, a people, comprising of the church on earth and in heaven.

Hebrew 12:22
unto the city of the
living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable
company of angels [which surrounds and protects it], to the
general assembly and church of the firstborn to the church of the firstborn, whose names are
written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of
all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to
Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the
sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood
of Abel.



sorry dear, the old Israel has been cut off and the church grafted in, the church is heir to the promises made to the old Israel.


Galatians 3:16
16 Now a the promises were made b to Abraham and to his
offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to
many, but referring to one, c “And to your offspring,” who is
Christ.

at the fullness of time Israel will be saved but today it is the church.

RM 10&11, RM 11:25
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery,
brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited:
Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full
number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way
all Israel will be saved.


as for the allegory of Hagar and Sarah, go and argue with the Bible, because it clearly says that the old covenant aka old Israel is Hagar and the new covenant aka the church is Sarah.


the mother of all who believe is not Israel, it is the church.


lastly the church didn't murder anyone, people who committed crimes where tried, the state imputed and carried out sentences.

solite3:
who says the mother of believers is Israel? neither is Sarah the mother of believers, I don't know where you got that from.

Jerusalem that is in heaven is not a person neither is it the church but the the city where God lives.


Israel was never replaced



Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Sarah is not the new Israel where do you get such error? the new Israel is the church but it never replaced israel. At the fullness of time israel will surely fulfill her purpose.




none of what you wrote disproved the fact of what I wrote. the woman in revelation 12 is Israel, she will fulfill her purpose after the church has left this earth under the antichrist government those people who are described in revelation 12 are Jews that will bear witness for Christ during the antichrist rule.




in other words you agree that the Roman Catholic Church killed christians, the so called mother church was persecuting christians simply because they did not agree with the papal rule? Rcc is filled with blood and God will avenge for his people.

the early church never killed or persecuted any man even when they could easily have done so but they surrendered themselves to be persecuted and killed because they were for Christ but for RCC what do you have? because that religion just like Islam is not of God.

1 the heavenly Jerusalem is not a physical place,

budaatum:
Educate us please, name your favorite heretic.

Here's mine.

Giordano Bruno born1548, tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition and burnt at the stake in Rome's Campo be' Fiori on 17 February 1600.

Charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition were:

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Transubstantiation and Mass;

claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity;

believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes;

dealing in magics and divination.



Do not worry about links, I'll do them if you don't.

character wise, my favorite heretic will be Luther, intellectually speaking, my favorite heretic will be Calvin.



Luther was pretty much the feisty fiery type of human being, happy to smile and be Christian this minute and then insult and bite off your head the next.

he produced probably the best thoughts Protestantism has to offer but also produced probably the best antisemitic works ever and had long speeches filled with bile, to his credit he was a man of great convictions, he created his entire theology simply because he felt unworthy before God, and the moment he felt better he was ready to stand before everyone and defend what he believed, this individualism and assurance of rightness is probably the reason we have so many different Protestant sects, the different Protestant arms came together to discuss the Eucharist and it didn't take long before both side accuse the other of been damned heretics.


Calvin on the other hand was a lawyer with a big brain, he made sure to push every thought he had to it extreme, heck who before him was mad enough to build entire theology upon God's predestination?


both were condemned by the council of Trent, etc

Ilamina:
I came, 12 minutes late

that must be the reason, the introductory aspect of the mass happens usually at the beginning... there are few parishes where the priest thanks everyone at the end but those are the exception not the rule.

InansBobo:
sorry I was talking from Nigeria context

the headquarters of the Catholic church is not in Nigeria, what we have here are local churches aka dioceses, and these churches are still more populated than any other church.

Dantedasz:
You have started mentioning me this evening. When I respond you will retreat to your safe haven of Catholicism and start telling for moderators.
If you can't take the heat please don't venture into the kitchen.
Were books regarded as unfavourable to the Romans and their favoured priests burned or not? The Bible as we have it is made up of books accepted by the Romans. Pagan festivals were converted to Christianity festivals by changing their names.
Please I do not want to argue with a person who starts a discourse then runs away to reappear weeks later.

I have never ran from you, sorry dear, I have had the pleasure of discussion with more convincing people and I still stood my ground. if there are days intervals in my response its because I didn't have time to write.

as I said, the canon of the Bible was never discussed in the council of nicea, no book was added or removed from the canon, in fact the canon of the Bible didn't make it to the agenda, it is either you are mistaken or ignorant.

secondly after the council the heretical writings of those condemned e.g Arius were burnt, those had nothing to do with the canon, Arius didn't have any canonical works.

nicea didn't discuss any pagan festival either, it seems you are generally ignorant about this issue.

LordReed:
Hmmm, not really a heretic but as a speculated homosexual (he never married) who was close to the Catholic Church, I enter Leonardo da Vinci as my candidate.

I believe DA Vinci shouldn't even be mentioned here, he died a Catholic in good standing, he wasn't found guilty of heresy and I believe he is buried in a Catholic chapel somewhere

budaatum:
Educate us please, name your favorite heretic.

Here's mine.

Giordano Bruno born1548, tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition and burnt at the stake in Rome's Campo be' Fiori on 17 February 1600.

Charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition were:

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus;

holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Tran substantiation and Mass;

claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity;

believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes;

dealing in magics and divination.



Do not worry about links, I'll do them if you don't.

why is he your favourite?

josh123:
tell me d chapters and verse u saw it

Joshua 7:6


Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to
the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining
there till evening. The elders of Israel did the
same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.



in case you forgot, the ark is simply a box with a staff and manna inside with two big moldings of angel aka cherubs on top.

blueAgent:
I laugh at you.

No where its is written tha Mary is the new Eve or that she played a role in the salvation of humanity.

the woman who gave birth to the saviour didn't play a role in the salvation of humanity


sorry that sounds really dumb like you are running away from something that is starring you in the face. so giving birth to the saviour is not a role

abeg go and sleep, this is just really dull.


if you can't add one plus one it isn't my fault.

solite3:
New King James Version (1979,1982)
The NKJV translators claim to have "preserved the authority and accuracy" and "improved the purity and beauty" of the original KJV. We disagree that the "purity and beauty" have been improved. Although the NKJV uses the underlying Textus Receptus Greek text, the translators repeatedly use marginal notations to reference the Modem Critical Text upon which all of the modem versions are based. The NKJV advocate opens a door that lends credibility to a perverted underlying text used by all the other versions. Furthermore, changes in the text are made which simply are not warranted. The NKJV primarily uses the 1967/ 1977 Stuttgart edition of Biblia Hebraica and draws from sources which result in a Hebrew text that is different from the Jacob ben Chayyim text underlying the KJV Old Testament. As a result the NKJV preface rightly stated, "significant variations are recorded in footnotes." We believe the potential for most textual problems and variants between the KJV and NKJV will be found in the Old Testament.

New Revised Standard Version ( l990)
The NRSV is the latest product of ecumenical scholarship and will soon replace the RSV, thus helping to fill the financial coffers of the apostate National Council of Churches which holds the copyrights on both the RSV and NRSV. Translated by liberal Protestant, Catholic and Jewish scholars, and eliminating so-called sexist language, the NRSV with the Apocrypha, has already received the Imprimatur of the Roman Catholic Church and may well become the ecumenical Bible of the future.


Other Recent Versions
In recent years, the proliferation of modem Bible versions has increased tremendously. New versions that are based primarily upon the United Bible Societies' 4th revised edition Greek New Testament and the Nestle-Aland 27th edition Novum Testamentum Graece include the New Living Translation (NLT), the New Century Version (NCV), the Contemporary English Version (CEV) and Eugene H. Peterson's The Message. Most of these versions and translations are not only based on an inferior Greek text, but are also thought-for-thought translations (which allow for greater interpretive freedom of the text by the translators) rather than literal, word-for-word translations.
The more we have studied and researched this question of Bible versions, the more convinced we are that many of our dear brethren in the ministry and many Fundamentalist leaders have not taken time to look at the abundant evidence now available that clearly demonstrates the inaccuracies, inconsistencies and confusion that results from new translations. It is clear that many scholars who consider themselves to be evangelical have been influenced by the apostate scholarship of the past and present. We recognize the difference between "higher criticism" (which would be rejected by most Fundamentalists) and "textual criticism" or "lower criticism" (which is accepted by most Fundamentalists). But many do not see how the whole field of textual criticism has been shaped and molded by the false premises and conclusions of "higher criticism." The central issue revolves around the acceptance of the Westcott-Hort text rather than the Textus Receptus as the basis for Bible translations, versions and revisions.
While recognizing the extreme difficulties involved in translations of any kind and especially of a book as important as the Bible, we are convinced that the King James Bible has been blessed by God for hundreds of years and should be used by believers today. It will be far better for us to expand our vocabulary in order to understand its terminology than to continually rewrite the Bible to suit those who will not be able to understand it anyway apart from the New Birth or to suit those Christians who are too lazy to study. It is true that the meanings of some English words have changed and others are no longer commonly used. Yet such words are comparatively few and can easily be comprehended with the use of a good dictionary; but if the word is missing altogether, what then?
The promotion and use of so many different Bible versions has resulted in great confusion among God's people. Why don't more pastors and Christian leaders see this? Congregational reading is becoming virtually impossible. Bible memorization is most difficult. Men and women lose confidence in the validity of God's Word when some verses are included, some are bracketed, and some are missing completely.
For all of these reasons and many more, we conclude that modem Bible versions are dangerous and that God's people should beware of them. We close with a plea to all who love the Lord and His Word-look into this important question quickly and carefully. Then join us in seeking to alert and warn others concerning these subtle and devastating attacks being made upon God's Holy Word.
Our Final Authority
The written Word of God is our final authority in all matters of which It speaks, for It is God's final revelation to man. The Bible is God's trustworthy, authoritative Book, and no more is to be added thereto. The Holy Spirit supernaturally inspired the writers of the 39 books of the Old Testament to record the very words God desired His people to possess (2 Pet. 1: 2 1). Likewise, the prophetic promise Jesus Christ made to His disciples (soon to be the apostles and writers of the 27 books of the New Testament) restated the same divine operation of inspiration, for the Holy Spirit later also guided these men "into all truth" (Jn. 16:12-15). "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim. 3:16, 17), and that inspired Scripture encompasses nothing more, nor anything less, than the 66 books of the Bible, the completed canon of Scripture. 2 Peter 3:2 tells us that if we want to know God's Word, then we are to look nowhere other than to the "words which were spoken before by the holy prophets [O. T. Scripture], and of the commandments of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour [N.T. Scripture]." God's Word provides us with all we need to be built up in the faith and to do God's will and work - God gave no additional revelation once the Bible was completed. The inspired writings of the apostles, circulated among the churches and later canonized, were perfect and complete (Lk. 1: 1-4; 1 Cor. 14:37; Eph. 3:1-7; 1 Thess. 2:13; Rev. 22:18, 19). The internal evidence of the Word of God states without equivocation that believers today have a final authority - God's Written Word.
Since the completion of the canon of Scripture, no additional divine revelation has come through any "latter day prophets," charismatic dreamers, cult authorities or the tradition/Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, as Pope John Paul II has reinforced in a recent encyclical. With the passing of the original disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ (the apostles who penned the 27 books of the New Testament), the partial revelation ceased and "that which is perfect"-the Written Word of the Living God-was come. "That which is in part" was done away (1 Cor. 13:8-12). With the passing of the apostles and the subsequent completion of the canon, no more revelation came from God. It is essential, therefore, that we earnestly contend for the faith "once delivered" (past tense) and against any attempt to claim an authority for faith and practice other than God's Word, the 66 books of the Bible. Remember, Timothy's household did not have the "original autographs," but the copies they had were designated by God as "the holy scriptures" (2 Tim. 3:14, 15). Likewise, Paul commended the Ephesian elders to the "word of his grace, which is able to build you up..." (Acts 20:27, 32). We can have confidence today that we have a Bible that is the holy Word of God in the Authorized (King James) Version.
A problem developed, however, with the 20th century's proliferation of new Bible versions. It became necessary to study the history of the English Bible and the Greek text which had been used down through the centuries and compare that text with the claims of the "higher critics" who championed the minority text upon which the new versions are based. After careful study of the subject, the FEA concluded that the
Textus Receptus, the underlying text upon which the Authorized King James Version is based, is the providentially preserved Greek text. The
Textus Receptus was derived from the majority family of manuscripts used in the Greek-speaking church down through the centuries. This text was the divinely preserved text - an accurate rendition of the very originals (miraculously inspired by the Holy Spirit) written by the apostles, and, in the Hebrew tongue, by the Old Testament prophets. The Masoretic text of the Old Testament and the Textus Receptus of the New Testament are, in reality, the divinely preserved texts of the divinely inspired original writings.
But now, another problem has arisen within the last few decades. An element of those who were strong defenders of the inerrancy and veracity of the Authorized Version, used and blessed by God in the English-speaking world for well over 300 years, began to advance the idea that the KJV English translation is superior to the Greek and Hebrew texts and that the King James translators were themselves inspired by the Holy Spirit in producing their translation. As a result of this proposal, they claim that the English King James translation has been miraculously inspired just as the original autographs themselves were inspired. This false teaching even assumed the newly ascribed authority to correct the underlying Greek and Hebrew text from which it was translated. What we have by this proposed phenomenon is what is often known as "double inspiration" - the original writings of the prophets and the apostles consist of the first "inspiration," and the second work of "inspiration" occurred when the King James translators produced the English Authorized Version in 1611. Certainly the King James translators were the best scholars ever assembled to produce a translation that we can hold up today as our authoritative, trustworthy translation; but were those esteemed translators "inspired" in the biblical sense? Absolutely not!
We cannot accept this conjecture, for the- concept of a superior English text or of "double inspiration" completely denies What the Bible Itself teaches about Its own initial inspiration by the miraculous operation of the Holy Spirit and Its promised preservation through each successive generation. No, the English-speaking world is not the sole proprietor of the Word of God. Other nations and languages can also boast an accurate, trustworthy translation of the Word of God from the Greek Textus Receptus
and the Hebrew Masoretic text.
It is the conviction of the FEA that the Authorized Version should be the standard and final authority for the English speaking world for two reasons: First, because it is based on the Masoretic Text and the Textus Receptus, and second, because it, is an accurate, literal (formal, word-for-word) translation of the aforementioned Greek and Hebrew texts (that is, the translation of the text is literal, as much as is possible of any translation from one language to another). We must reject the teaching of those who claim the KJV is full of errors, yet we must also reject the teaching of those "KJV-only" proponents who claim that the KJV is in itself inspired and superior to the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts. Notice the following timely words by Pastor M. H. Reynolds, Jr., which accurately sum up the Biblical position regarding inspiration and preservation:
We are sometimes accused of believing in "double inspiration" or "continuing revelation," i.e., that the King James translators were divinely inspired in the same way as were the original human writers of the books of the Bible. Not so! The use of these terms amounts to a dishonest misrepresentation of what we believe. The miracle of inspiration applies only to the initial giving of the Word of God to the writers of the autographs (all of which are no longer in existence). But we also believe that the Bible Itself teaches and the history of manuscript evidence supports the contention that the miracle of initial inspiration extends to the divinely superintended preservation of a pure text to this day. We have, therefore, an inspired Bible today in the sense that it is the accurate translation of the text once and finally inspired by God and recorded in the "original autographs," the majority text used down through the centuries in the Greek church. Be wary of any opponent of the KJV who contrives impressive sounding buzz words to misrepresent what the defenders of the Authorized Version actually believe.
From the FEA publication Modern Bibles-the Dark Secret by Pastor Moorman, wonderfully used of God to defend the Authorized Version and to debunk the credibility of the other versions, the concluding paragraph reads:
It is not impossible that in the providence of God another universally accepted standard translation could be produced. However, given the lateness of the hour, the lack of spiritual scholarship, and the fact that our language no longer has the depth and vitality it once had, this seems most unlikely. All indications point to the KJV as the Bible God would have His people use in these last days before the Second Coming of Christ.
The Old Testament Scriptures were to accomplish one central purpose-to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 24:25-27). The same is true of the New Testament as well (John 16:14). Those who undermine the authority and accuracy of the Authorized Version only cause God's people to lack a confidence in His Message and the impeccability of Christ and His finished Work. This certainly does not advance the purpose of God-to glorify His dear Son and to cause His children to have absolute confidence in His final and complete Revelation. Praise God, He has given to us His Word, and we have before us in the English language the Authorized King James Bible, a literal, accurate translation of the very words God breathed in His Revelation to man.

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Christ's church cannot be highjacked, it has the promise of God's abiding presence.