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blueAgent:
Billions of Catholics worship, venerate & adore Mary yet many of them do not know the history or the real identity of the personality called Mary.

The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.

Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.

In Paganism, ancient Egyptain and European religeons the worship of the goddess of fertility, motherhood and magic was highly celeberated she was conferred with several titles and names like ,The divine one,Virgin Mother,Mother of God,The Queen of Heaven,Queen of all Gods,The maker of Sunrise.
In Egyptian literature she was called ISIS or Athor, Virgo,Deipara in Tibet and China, as Hestia or Athena in Greece & Juno or Dove in Rome . she was known as the goddess with ten thousand names.

in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.

This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.

During the reign of Constantine when Rome(Seat of Catholic Church) was converting from paganism to Christainity Mary the mother of Jesus Christ was chosen as the Subsitute for the Mother goddess, pagans and Christains continued there prayers and devotion to the The Mother goddess which was rebranded as Mary to appeal to the Christains.this doctrine was enacted by the Catholic Church at the council of Ephesus in 431AD.

This is an unfortunate lie,

The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.

The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others.
In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve

"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D

For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)

Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church

We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century


Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine.

Among the early Christains and Apostles the worship of any diety or Mother goddess was totally forbidden  no where in the Bible are Christains taught to pray worship or venerate any other person than God or Jesus

the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was.

budaatum:
Isn't there a thread on here about Jesus being a pagan god? And one about even Yahweh wearing pagan clothes and being syncretised from various different gods? I feel someone would post me a link.

the op is just ignorant, there are several pagan stories that parallels the story of Jesus, certain pagan gods also have stories of coming to earth through a virgin and dying to save their people, in fact among the earliest people to recognise this was the early Christian Justin, the Christian story is similar to what several pagan gods were acclaimed to have done.


It is called the devils mimicry, nothing new there, does that mean that Jesus is a pagan deity adopted by the Christian churches? Nope. The devil already knew God's plan to redeem humanity, he simply mimicked it in certain aspects.

It is petty ignorance.

OLAADEGBU:
Where did you see or read Paul hanging the crucifix on his neck or bowing before it?

Learn how to apply biblical principles



1 Kings 6:29
...carved engravings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers.

2 Chronicles 3:7
He overlaid its beams, thresholds, walls, and doors with gold, and he carved cherubim on the walls.

Ezekiel 41:18
were alternating carved cherubim and palm trees. Each cherub had two faces:


Finally, look at Colossians 3:2-3

2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.



The old was based on cherubs and angels, the people of God happily had them around, the new is based on Jesus crucified, we happily have that symbol too around.

MosesAlex:
To be dead in the physical,simply means to be away from the body. Those in heaven keep worshiping God And God does not see his people that have left the body as dead. Hence He says he is the God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob. And that would be His name forever.(Exodus 3:15) And that He is not the God of the dead.

Jesus himself spoke with those whom you called dead, during the transfiguration It is important to note that the event happen while He was in prayer).

Luke 9:28-31
28 About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus.


As you have rightly said are the Saints with the Lord. Jesus himself warned us not to offend small children, because their angels have guaranteed access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 18:10). The Saints also have guaranteed access.

David, even made use of those who spiritually or physically stand before God in prayers.
Thus, in Psalm 103 we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20–21). And in the opening verses of Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" . (Do you think the angels heard David?do think the saints hear? )

Saints in heaven are with the Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

In Rev 5. You see the twenty four elders praying and worshiping, you would even see them offering the prayers of all God's people with incense. You even see one of the elders consoling John the beloved.

The place I love most, those in heaven and on earth in joint prayers
Rev 5:13-14
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”

14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The Apostles creed, we received from the early Church clearly states "We believe in the Communion of Saints"

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JMAN05:
Jerome never viewed those books are canonical. He in fact used the word "Apocrypha" for those books to denote its lack of inspiration. There other latter "church fathers" that viewed those writings as not authoritative.

of course you would find church fathers who were skeptical of the deuterocanon, just as you would find that there were early Christians and whole Christian churches that didn't accept the book of revelation, 1 and 2 peter, the letters of John etc, but ultimately the decider of these things in the early church isn't a single church father on his own but the church in a council, and in councils the deuterocanon was accepted and every church father that was skeptical comes back and quotes the deuterocanon as scripture.

JMAN05:
Jerome never viewed those books are canonical. He in fact used the word "Apocrypha" for those books to denote its lack of inspiration. There other latter "church fathers" that viewed those writings as not authoritative.

not exactly, Jerome lived a great deal in Palestine, of course the Jews didn't use the dueterocanonical books and he adopted that position, he called the Hebrew canon the list of canonical books. But he did not exactly put the dueterocanonical books as apocryphal... Nope, he put them in a class of their own, the became the ecclesiastical books which are read in the churches for edification but not for doctrine.

Jerome had two list, the canonical books comprising of the Hebrew Bible alone and then the ecclesiastical books comprising of the deuterocanonical books.

Here is what Jerome says



These instances have been just touched upon by me (the limits of a letter forbid a more discursive treatment of them) to convince you that in the holy scriptures you can make no progress unless you have a guide to shew you the way...Genesis ... Exodus ... Leviticus ... Numbers ... Deuteronomy ... Job ... Jesus the son of Nave ... Judges ... Ruth ... Samuel ... The third and fourth books of Kings ... The twelve prophets whose writings are compressed within the narrow limits of a single volume: Hosea ... Joel ... Amos ... Obadiah ... Jonah ... Micah ... Nahum ... Habakkuk ... Zephaniah ... Haggai ... Zechariah ... Malachi ... Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel ... Jeremiah also goes four times through the alphabet in different metres (Lamentations)... David...sings of Christ to his lyre; and on a psaltry with ten strings (Psalms) ... Solomon, a lover of peace and of the Lord, corrects morals, teaches nature (Proverbs and Ecclesiastes), unites Christ and the church, and sings a sweet marriage song to celebrate that holy bridal (Song of Songs) ... Esther ... Ezra and Nehemiah. (Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1953, Volume VI, St. Jerome, Letter LIII.6-8, pp. 98-101).

As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it also read these two volumes (Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus) for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the Church...I say this to show you how hard it is to master the book of Daniel, which in Hebrew contains neither the history of Susanna, nor the hymn of the three youths, nor the fables of Bel and the Dragon... (Ibid., Volume VI, Jerome, Prefaces to Jerome's Works, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Songs; Daniel, pp. 492-493).

He never claimed the dueterocanonical books are uninspired, in fact he denies saying that the deuterocaononical books are uninspired.

After he translated the vulgate with the deuteron canonical he was immediately accused by fellow Christians that he wrote dismissively about the deuterocanon, he IMMEDIATELY DENIED IT, he claimed all he meant to write was that the Jews didn't agree with the deuteron canonical books but that he personally submit himself to the judgment of the churches that adopted the non Hebrew canon.

Here is Jerome making a u-turn and submitting to the churches on the theodian long Greek canon.




We have four versions to choose from: those of Aquila, Symmachus, the Seventy, and Theodotion. The churches choose to read Daniel in the version of Theodotion. What sin have I committed in following the judgment of the churches? But when I repeat what the Jews say against the Story of Susanna and the Hymn of the Three Children, and the fables of Bel and the Dragon, which are not contained in the Hebrew Bible, the man who makes this a charge against me proves himself to be a fool and a slanderer; for I explained not what I thought but what they commonly say against us. I did not reply to their opinion in the Preface, because I was studying brevity, and feared that I should seem to he writing not a Preface but a book. I said therefore, “As to which this is not the time to enter into discussion.” […] Still, I wonder that a man should read the version of Theodotion the heretic and judaizer, and should scorn that of a Christian, simple and sinful though he may be. Letter to ruffinus.

So Jerome translated the book of Daniel according to the Greek deuterocanon and says that is the judgement of the church and that he submit himself to that judgment and that any harsh things he wrote about the deuterocanon is just a report of what the Jews used to say about it.


It becomes even more interesting after Jerome submit to the church because he went all out and called the deuterocanon SCRIPTURE and uses them in defending doctrines.



Does not the SCRIPTURE say: 'Burden not thyself above thy power' [SIRACH 13:2] Jerome, To Eustochium, Epistle 108 (A.D. 404), in NPNF2, VI:207

not, my dearest brother, estimate my worth by the number of my years. Gray hairs are not wisdom; it is wisdom which is as good as gray hairs At least that is what Solomon says: "wisdom is the gray hair unto men.’ [Wisdom 4:9]" Moses too in choosing the seventy elders is told to take those whom he knows to be elders indeed, and to select them not for their years but for their discretion (Num. 11:16)? And, as a boy, Daniel judges old men and in the flower of youth condemns the incontinence of age (Daniel 13:55-59, or Story of Susannah 55-59, only found in the Catholic Bibles) Jerome, To Paulinus, Epistle 58 (A.D. 395), in NPNF2, VI:119

Here St. Jerome mixes use of the Book of Wisdom with Moses’ writing. In the midst of referring to Moses, he also refers to the Story of Susanna to establish a point. He makes no distinction in practice from the writing of Moses, from the two Deuterocanonical books.

"I would cite the words of the psalmist: 'the sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,’ [Ps 51:17] and those of Ezekiel 'I prefer the repentance of a sinner rather than his death,’ [Ez 18:23] AND THOSE OF BARUCH,'Arise, arise, O Jerusalem,’ [Baruch 5:5] AND MANY OTHER PROCLAMATIONS MADE BY THE TRUMPETS OF THE PROPHETS." Jerome, To Oceanus, Epistle 77:4 (A.D. 399), in NPNF2, VI:159

Notice how Jerome makes no distinction at all between the Psalmist, Ezekiel, and Baruch. They are all Scripture, God's Word. Jerome himself calls Baruch a prophet, thus according his writing Scriptural status. According to Jerome, Baruch thus authoritatively spoke God's Word. He uses Baruch in tandem with these prophets to prove David in Psalm 51 correct.

still our merriment must not forget the limit set by Scripture, and we must not stray too far from the boundary of our wrestling-ground. Your presents, indeed, remind me of the sacred volume, for in it Ezekiel decks Jerusalem with bracelets, (Eze. 16:11) Baruch receives letters from Jeremiah,(Jer. 36, Bar. 6) and the Holy Spirit descends in the form of a dove at the baptism of Christ.(Mt. 3:16) Jerome, To Eustochium, Epistle 31:2 (A.D. 384), in NPNF2, VI:45

Notice that St. Jerome quotes in reference to Scriptures, and the Sacred Volumes. Then he refers to 3 passages. Ezekiel, Baruch, and Matthew. Now, Jerome here refers to Jeremiah giving letters (plural) to Baruch. One time in Jeremiah 36, and another time in Baruch 6, as the Protestant Schaff editor indicates. Thus, Baruch is clearly Scripture, and he is clearly an author of the Sacred Volume, the Bible.

As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal: so in things wicked and sinful, the seeds within us give the impulse, and these are brought to maturity by the devil. When he sees that we are building upon the foundation of Christ, hay, wood, stubble, then he applies the match. Let us then build gold, silver, costly stones, and he will not venture to tempt us: although even thus there is not sure and safe possession. For the lion lurks in ambush to slay the innocent. [Sir. 27:5] "Potters' vessels are proved by the furnace, and just men by the trial of tribulation." And in another place it is written: [Sir. 2:1] "My son, when thou comest to serve the Lord, prepare thyself for temptation." Again, the same James says: [James 3:22]"Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only. For if any one is a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was." It was useless to warn them to add works to faith, if they could not sin after baptism. Jerome, Against Jovinianus,, Book 2, 3 NPNF2, VI:390

As we have seen, "It is written" is a phrase that both the authors of Scripture, and the Church Fathers use only in reference to Scripture. Jerome uses the phrase identifying the quote to come as Scripture. The quote he uses comes from the book of Sirach. Thus, Sirach is Scripture. He then quotes James interchangeably as just another Scripture as of the same level of authority as Sirach.

"Yet the Holy Spirit in the thirty-ninth(9) psalm, while lamenting that all men walk in a vain show, and that they are subject to sins, speaks thus: "For all that every man walketh in the image."(Psalm 39:6) Also after David's time, in the reign of Solomon his son, we read a somewhat similar reference to the divine likeness. For in the book of Wisdom, which is inscribed with his name, Solomon says: "God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity."(Wisdom 2:23) And again, about eleven hundred and eleven years afterwards, we read in the New Testament that men have not lost the image of God. For James, an apostle and brother of the Lord, whom I have mentioned above--that we may not be entangled in the snares of Origen--teaches us that man does possess God's image and likeness. For, after a somewhat discursive account of the human tongue, he has gone on to say of it: "It is an unruly evil ... therewith bless we God, even the Father and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God."(James 3:8-9) Paul, too, the "chosen vessel,"(Acts 9:15) who in his preaching has fully maintained the doctrine of the gospel, instructs us that man is made in the image and after the likeness of God. "A man," he says, "ought not to wear long hair, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God."(1 Cor. 11:7) He speaks of "the image" simply, but explains the nature of the likeness by the word "glory."

7. Instead of THE THREE PROOFS FROM HOLY SCRIPTURE which you said would satisfy you if I could produce them, BEHOLD I HAVE GIVEN YOU SEVEN"--- Jerome, Letter 51, 6, 7, NPNF2, VI:87-8

St. Jerome himself had written that the Deuterocanonicals are not used to establish doctrine. However, with the larger context given, on this occasion speaking of how we are made in God's image, a doctrine, he specifically uses the Book of Wisdom to establish that. St. Jerome doesn't make any distinctions between the other Scriptural books that he uses to speak on doctrine. The Book of Wisdom is one of Seven Scriptural proofs to establish the meaning of the image of God.

A. "Your argument is ingenious, but you do not see THAT IT GOES AGAINST HOLY SCRIPTURE, which declares that even ignorance is not without sin. Hence it was that Job offered sacrifices for his sons, test, perchance, they had unwittingly sinned in thought. And if, when one is cutting wood, the axe-head flies from the handle and kills a man, the owner is[Num. 35:8] commanded to go to one of the cities of refuge and stay there until the high priest dies; that is to say, until he is redeemed by the Saviour's blood, either in the baptistery, or in penitence which is a copy of the grace of baptism, through the ineffable mercy of the Saviour, who[Ezek. 18:23] would not have any one perish, nor delights in the death of sinners, but would rather that they should be converted and live. C. It is surely strange justice to hold me guilty of a sin of error of which my conscience does not accuse itself. I am not aware that I have sinned, and am I to pay the penalty for an offence of which I am ignorant? What more can I do, if I sin voluntarily?

A. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO EXPLAIN THE PURPOSES AND PLANS OF GOD? THE BOOK OF WISDOM GIVES AN ANSWER TO YOUR FOOLISH QUESTION: [Sir 3:21] "LOOK NOT INTO THINGS ABOVE THEE, AND SEARCH NOT THINGS TOO MIGHTY FOR THEE." AND ELSEWHERE,[5] "Make not thyself overwise, and argue not more than is fitting." And in the same place, "In wisdom and simplicity of heart seek God." You will perhaps deny the authority of this book;" "Jerome, "Against the Pelagians, NPNF2, VI:464-5"

Notice at the beginning of his statement he speaks how he is going to prove his point by using Holy Scripture. Then he gives a series of Scriptures to prove the folly of his opponent. Part of those Scriptures that he uses to prove his point is the book of Sirach. The books of Wisdom and Sirach, according to Jerome, explain the plan and purpose of God, which refutes his opponents doctrine. Actually, although he says it is from Wisdom the quotation is actually from Sirach 3:21. Thus, both books are Scripture in Jerome’s eyes. They are quoted by Jerome to prove doctrine!. He says that maybe his opponent will deny the authority of the book, but not St. Jerome. He thus affirms its authority. The rest of the paragraph he actually quotes other Scriptures to support his quotation of Sirach.

"And in the proverbs Solomon tells us that as "the north wind driveth away rain, so doth an angry countenance a backbiting tongue.(Prov. 25:23)" It sometimes happens that an arrow when it is aimed at a hard object rebounds upon the bowman, wounding the would-bewounder, and thus, the words are fulfilled, "they were turned aside like a deceitful bow," (Psalm 128:57) and in another passage: "whoso casteth a stone on high casteth it on his own head." (Sir. 27:25) Jerome, To Rusticus, Epistle 125, 19 (A.D. 404), in NPNF2, VI:251



So Jerome isn't a firm witness against the deuterocanon, he earlier classed them separately as ecclesiastical books but he submitted to the churches which didn't place them in a different category and he later quotes the deuterocanon as scripture just like other scripture.

Rich4god:
Chill - 16th

Rich4god - 18th

Salc - 23rd

Jnrbayano - 24th

Hurricanechris - 26th

Btoks - 27th

Aizenosa - 29th

Hisduchess - 30th

Kamsy - 31th
Pchinak - 31th


The date is still open to everyone.... Pick yours....

I'll taky 28th

sacramento1212:
He's wrong. Matt 19: 9 answered my queries because there's a condition attached. Once there's an established fact of fornication, divorce can come in if the man or woman chooses not to forgive and continue in marriage. And after divorce, any of the parties can choose to remarry. Case closed

then you should read up, the word Jesus used does not mean fornication or adultery, the word Jesus used is porneia and it has a wide range of application, if need to read other passages on the issue, if not you are simply making a mountain of an ant hill

kingasap:
I don't want Catholic children. I'd rather they choose a religion of their choice

. then you have a series of discussions you should attend to with your intended

Syncan:
So Ubenedictus na trouble stirrer?

I'm not bothered, if they called the master of the house trouble, how much more the small baby like me.



syncan so u allow salc they lush fyn bobo

Syncan:
This kind one na im dem de answer with "if you know, you know".

hilarious, papa with swag.

Syncan:
Na outsiders dem de wear long length cloth for, insiders know how the leg dey. We know who be oga for here.

when elders speak we go know.


make I run go write the proverb for my special book.


Nna anyi Nno o!!!

Syncan:
Wow. Seems i turned my back and the whole place caught fire. The last time people regrouped like this was when it was time for the Blessed Virgin Mary to leave. The apostles by Divine inspiration were gathered back from their various places of evangelization.

From the City of God....mother Mary of Agreda.

wow so you read that book, them say Thomas come late to the party. that lady was on fire.


as an advice though, always read private revelation with a grain of salt.

YomaA:
And how bout Catholic priest that don't even get married or have single marriage experience conducting marriage classes and even taking sessions.

The priest teaches d doctrinal part of marriage, what d bible teaches, what GOD expects, how d church understands it. the part on practical married life is not done by d priest but by married couples in d church.

kingasap:
I don't need her to change her religion I just don't know if it's allowed. Do catholics even allow non catholics marry and if they do are they looked down on?

It is allowed, just not always encourage becos it requires real work. a catholic can marry a non catholic usually with these conditions, the wedding is in d catholic church, d catholic party is allowed to practice hes faith, u consider raising d kids as catholics.
chikena

MrPRevailer:
I told you Catholism is an Idolatrous corrupting branch planted by the devil among Christians. I don't know the doctrines of 7th day Adventist.

Nope catholicisn is actual the trunk of christianity from which all other branches came from. if it was planted by the devil, then d entire christendom is from the devil.

SalC:
Uben you are on your own here. Which one is shitting on Syncan again? You just enjoy stirring up trouble abi?

What i do?

someone cant speak d truth again?

SalC:

bad pezin
just becos of smal story u dey do shakara for me abi? God dey watch u

Ilamina:
I went to a Catholic Church today for the first time

I haven't been to church since I broke my leg( my assault incident)
So it was refreshing for me

I just love the spirituality of the Catholic Church

Those images on the wall were beautiful, made me have this deep connection with God

It was a nice experience, kept on looking at the virgin Mary/Jesus statues and images, dey were so beautiful, divine, sacred and artistic. . I also enjoyed the robe guys
I Kept on focusing what they were saying because we all hear the Catholic worship mary and all

By one thing I noticed when they were reciting their prayers, they said Jesus descended from hell when he died before he ascended to heaven, never knew that. .I will do my research after

Did u find them worshipping mary at mass?

Ilamina:
I went to a Catholic Church today for the first time

I haven't been to church since I broke my leg( my assault incident)
So it was refreshing for me

I just love the spirituality of the Catholic Church

Those images on the wall were beautiful, made me have this deep connection with God

It was a nice experience, kept on looking at the virgin Mary/Jesus statues and images, dey were so beautiful, divine, sacred and artistic. . I also enjoyed the robe guys
I Kept on focusing what they were saying because we all hear the Catholic worship mary and all

By one thing I noticed when they were reciting their prayers, they said Jesus descended from hell when he died before he ascended to heaven, never knew that. .I will do my research after

Good for u, the images are supposed to do exactly that. catholics believe christians both in heaven and on earth form one family of God so we have family album in church where u can luk at family members.

SalC:
Before you start your own.

It was actually the number he's been using for years and I do reach him with it. Just that recently I don't know what happened .

Lush you ke.

We all know d reason wey go make aboki recieve person call.

are u shitting on syncan and lushing rich d fyn bobo?

SalC:
Lol you too like story.

If not for story, y i dey nairaland? abeg i dey listen jor

Kamsified:
If the bolded is true, then I guess bricklaying will be among the highest paying jobs in naija

U get point there bt even among bricklayers more work na more money

SalC:
Rich, seriously I don't know what's happening but you aren't the person picking the calls on that line. Maybe you should give me your number again.

That moment when a fine girl give a guyman wrong aboki number.
now na the other way round, bobo give madam aboki number.

what can i say

na dem dey lush us

MuttleyLaff:
Uben, my middle name is nosey parker
I saw you parked in the thread, and curiosity got the better of me
then when I saw the Obinna RIP mention, thought he was an ex-Nairalander
I am not that pleased though with how others were rejoicing over Obinna's death though

We are humans not angels, when d guy who wants ur head dies sometime d most natural thing to say is thank GOD, we see this all thru d old testament. it takes a serious act of faith to genuinely will them well.

God though does not desire such death and i do hope he found repentance before passing.

SalC:
Lol my dear the story too long. Just thanking God that it all ended in praise.

I get time o, incase u go like talk d tori

sacramento1212:
Hmmmm...I will have to reconfirm this from the holy book. My understanding was that the only grounds for divorce is adultery and after which any of the both parties can remarry.

He is right, even ur church will not allow remarriage becos of divorce.

Sman37:
How many wife did Jesus marry or at which verse Jesus himself said what and who and how marriage should be done check
who she is,
Racheal ==
(Old Testament) the second wife of Jacob and mother of Joseph and Benjamin
are they also unbelievers to u ?

Maybe you should read matthew 19, Jesus put an end to that. jacob also had slaves that doesnt mean slavery is permitted today

realowded:
Please which one is civil marriage and which one is valid?
Shey is the a for heaven dem do the marriage before?

A marriage is presumed valid when two people without lawful impediment exchange free informed consent, the is civil marriage AKA court, traditional and christian. divorce in any of those settings of marriage does not affect its indissolubility

SalC:
Happy Sunday brother. Are you Ubenedictus' sibling?

Yes o, by the waters of baptism, by the blood of the lamb. my brother from another mother.

Muttleylaff, how come u dey check d thread for night, ur real name na nicodemus?

jnrbayano:
See am

....tickling kwa...me wey wan pay you a visit you dodge

Are u kidney me?