michaelwestern: Your statement can be right only if when the pope said "church", he meant the entire body of Christ. But I seriously doubt that, I believe he meant that you can't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ outside the roman Catholic Church, which is false.
if the Pope wanted to say the Catholic Church have but he didn't, he simply said the Church.
why not take the guy at his word and not try to reinterpret him?
brocab: 12 FAITHS JOIN POPE TO PRAY FOR PEACE By ROBERTO SURO and SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES The New York Times Archives Spiritual leaders from 12 different religions gathered here today to offer individual prayers alongside Pope John Paul II, who had asked them to join him in a ''World Day of Prayer for Peace.'' Their efforts were described as at least partly successful. Religious leaders of the world declared the Pope the world leader in a 1999 meeting: All present were in accord on two key points: (1) Pope John Paul II was endorsed by consensus as the planet’s chief spiritual guide and overseer; and (2) Religious fundamentalists who refuse to go along with the global ecumenical movement are to be silenced. They must be denounced as "dangerous extremists" full of hate (emphasis added).iii See more examples of the world's religions giving authority to the Papacy-Could it be that the purpose of a global government is to increase the political power of the Roman Catholic system?
read up the event from the newyork times website.
no religious leader said the Pope is now a chief overseer for all religion. in fact pope John Paul who organized the event clearly said it isn't about religion unity.
Welcoming the religious leaders this morning, John Paul said, ''The fact that we have come here does not imply any intention of seeking a religious consensus among ourselves or of negotiating our faith convictions.''
We can see evidence of the new world government's behind-the-scenes spiritual agenda in all sorts of places: [color=#000099]Pope Paul VI and President John F. Kennedy. Watch our ADtv video about the UN and the Occult Agenda. Pope Paul VI and President John F. Kennedy. Watch our ADtv video about the UN...Leaders of the world's religions are promoting one-world government philosophies: http://pictures.amazingdiscoveries.org/UN/7620-Pope-Paul-VI-Kurt-Waldheim.jpg Pope Paul VI (1897-1978) "wrote a papal Encyclical that called on the nations to abandon sovereignty to form a world government."ii In 2002, Pope John Paul II called the world to "work together for a new constitutional organization of the human family, truly capable of ensuring peace and harmony between peoples" (emphasis added).iv
you can quote the pope Paul encyclical, but I helped you search for the Pope John Paul speech and he clearly said that he does not mean a one world government, he means international cooperation.
Is this not the time for all to work together for a new constitutional organization of the human fam i ly , truly capable of ensuring peace and harmony between peoples, as well as their integral development? But let there be no misunderstanding. This does not mean writing the constitution of a global super-State. Rather, it means continuing and deepening processes already in place to meet the almost universal demand for participatory ways of exercising political authority, even international political authority, and for transparency and accountability at every level of public life. With his confidence in the goodness he believed could be found in every human person, Pope John XXIII called the entire world to a nobler vision of public life and public authority, even as he boldly challenged the world to think beyond its present state of disorder to new forms of international order commensurate with human dignity.
Buddhism and the New Age support a one-world government and religion under the Pope. Perhaps, they are caught up in the seemingly positive ideals of world peace and unity, Spiritual leaders from 12 different religions with different spirits gathered here today to offer individual prayers alongside Pope John Paul II, who had asked them to join him in a ''World Day of Prayer for Peace.''they don't realize who they are submitting to. However, this is unlikely considering the way the Dalai Lama supports the Pope as a world leader.[/color]
emmasege: No be una Catholic bishops gang up against GEJ just because he gave much recognition to the then CAN President?
I wish those herdsmen would spare those Revd Fathers on the field and face you guys.
Enjoy the change you yearned for.
Catholic bishops didn't gang up against GEJ, In fact there was a spilt of opinion, bishop kukah seemed pro GEJ, card okogie believed gej was weak and didn't do enough especially in the boko haram issue.
besides there was a general feeling in the country that gej underperformed, actually I still believe gej underperformed and if he had the economic permutations buhari suffered he would have done worst, he supervised the looting of his country and is a major contributor to the problems.
brocab: God is love and He made man in His own image! {1 John 3:1} Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. How can the Pope's get this wrong? loving God, is not loving the world and everything in it? The Pope's joined light with darkness under a worldly unity, Jesus said: Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.…
loving God also means loving other people no matter their religion and finding a peaceful way to walk with them.
we can't love the world but we must love all humans irrespective of their religion.
Prophesy coming to pass>Pope John Paul ii and Pope Francis is doing what the Lord said: they will do! {James 4:4-5} Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? Everybody love's somebody, somethings, we love our religions, and we hate our religions, but we all love-religious unity doesn't give choices, but God does 'He gives us choices, mixing Light with darkness, no-one can survive!
we do inter religious dialogue not religion mixing
{Verse 4:7-8} Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. {Christians} So unity with world religion, means paganism expects Christians to bow before darkness and light at the same time! We either love the one and hate the other.
If you were in Christ, just as everybody else that claim to be in some sort of a religious belief, loving God is the key way to success, and loving your neighbour as ourselves come automatically by the Holy Spirit that dwell in those who are born again! We all know love is the soul winner to bring unity, but unity can only work when the love of the Father is the head of that unity. And the Pope is not the head..
I repeat the Catholic Church does not pursue unity in religion, we pursue inter religious dialogue.
brocab: Sharing fellowship with other people, is not expecting unity to combined with there religions!
no Catholic is expecting unity to be combined with other religions. we believe in inter religious dialogue, not combination of religion.
We are all unequally yoked together! Jesus prayed for the Christians, He prayed for those who believes in Him, that we become one unity with Him and the Father..
in the picture there Pope Francis did not bow before any other gods, nor does he deny the truth of God our father, that is simply a picture taken after inter religious dialogue.
brocab: It's true, but are we all Christians, Pope John Paul ii who had agreed on signing the peace treaty with world religion, since then Pope Francis had continual'ed to finish what had began, "paganism verses Christian unity. {Deuteronomy 6:14} "You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you. But what does the Vatican do, they bow down along with the people who surround them with other pagan gods. Pagan Rome built idol's and image of things in heavens above, and the earth below, "this is not unity with other Christians from other denominations, this is not the unity Jesus said: He prays for! {2 Corinthians 6:14} Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? A Buddhist don't have the same spirit as a Christian, neither do we line up with the Muslim, we are unequally yoked, this is not the unity Jesus is preferring too, darkness cannot shine in the light. {Exodus 23:13} “Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.
a peace treaty that reiterates that killings in the name of religion is wrong and all must chose dialogue not violence is always welcomed.
there is no world religion but every human being has a imperative to walk with others with respect, love and tolerance, that is what a Christian, Muslim and a Buddhist have in common.
the Catholic Church does not believe in or bow to pagan gods, the synthesis of what we believe is found in the Nicene creed
OLAADEGBU: Where does it say the Roman Catholic church?
it is the Catholic Church , there are 22 churches that make up the Catholic Church, the Roman Catholic Church AKA the Latin Church is just one of them, there are the antiochene Catholic Church aka the Maronites, the melkites etc,
the council of Nicene actually mentioned the Roman Catholic Church, it is there in the canon.
canon 6 Let the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.
so as you can see the Roman Catholic Church is always there.
brocab: CHRISTIAN UNITY IS NOT DENOMINATIONAL UNITY. Organizations such as the World Council of Churches and the National Council of Churches are prominent in promoting organizational or external unity among various denominations. The idea is to set aside the areas we differ and come together on common ground. But both councils are notoriously theologically and politically liberal and inclusive of denominations that deny or compromise the gospel. Christ was not praying for a one-world church organized under one leader and church government! Christian unity is based on shared life through faith in Christ through the apostolic witness to Him. If you have put your trust in Jesus Christ, then He is praying for you in His verses. He says {John 17:20} “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word.”
actually true Christian unity is full unity both of faith and ecclesia unity, Jesus prayed that Christians may be one as Jesus and the father are one... that is full unity
1 Corinthians 1:10 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
John 17:23
23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
sorry that link not the council of nicea, this is what the council wrote
But the holy, catholic, and apostolic church anathematizes those who say, "There was a time when he was not" and "He was not before he was begotten" and "He was made from that which did not exist," and those who assert that he is of other substance or essence than the Father, that he was created, or is susceptible of change.
so the Catholic Church does not mean every body who claim to be Christian, actually the Catholic Church comprises of those who have not been excommunicated.
even till today the Catholic Church still excommunicates those who teach heresy, so not every Christian is a member of the Catholic and apostolic Church, certainly not people whose Church was founded by kumuyi not the apostles.
OLAADEGBU: You equate your traditions with and above the Word of God.
you are the one who believes in the tradition of men called sola scriptura made up by Martin Luther. I on the other hand hold to the fullness of the word of God that comes to us as both scriptures and apostolic tradition in the accordance with 2 thess.
but the question remains, if the basics is all that is needed why then the Protestant revolution?
brocab: Here you go again, you are more focused who Tony Palmer is? But you can't seem to focus on the Message from Pope Francis, Tony Palmer delivered.
Uben I don't think you read while you write-ecumenism is the principle or aim of promoting unity among the world's Christian Churches. Unity is the Pope's message working together as brother sister! Tony Palmer delivered this message from Pope Francis, asking the Church to join together once again to become One Church. Tony Palmer claims everybody is Catholic? Watch the video Uben? Here you go again twisting my words-I didn't say Tony Palmer was deceiving Kennith Copeland, I wrote {I don't care if Tony Palmer was the postman or the milkman-but in the video he is a Catholic Priest-but the point is, Kennith Copeland had open hell's doors for this priest, to deliver the Pope's message} This is no news for you Uben, you have already been bowing down before images and Pope's anyway, and doing so you are no different to the Pope, both Pope and the Catholic Church are praying for the Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, the gay community, atheist, cults and religion's. for the entire world to come under unity! But Jesus is not praying for the entire world here In {John 17:9} He is not praying for inter-faith unity among all Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, rather He is praying specifically for those who believe in Him through the apostles’ word. "That word is recorded for us in the New Testament, which the Holy Spirit inspired them to write {John 14:26; 16:13, 14} The Catholic Church comes under worldly Unity, it will surely crucify me because I have only One faith in God"Jesus. Open your eye's Uben, everything the Pope's doing is seen on the news? I suppose when one doesn't understand the Word of God, then the blind can only lead the blind, you think you have the answers, Uben you are the blind led by the blind. The unity in {John 17} is not quite the same message you and Pope Francis is calling for! The Catholic Church is opened to accepting all god's! Pope Francis is calling for all Churches, temples, the gay community, atheist, cults to join together accepting a worldly religion-spiritually and psychically! If you were to read the Word of God, then you would know this plan is put into place for a One World Religion without God! Well Kennith Copeland had accepted the Pope's request, and he agreed upon the "Pope's message" he and his flock will return back to the Catholic Church! "even through Kennith Copeland really doesn't know any better about the Word of God, he agrees Catholicism practices other unscriptual doctrines, just like Kennith Copeland does preaching about prosperity, that isn't scriptural, so one crook to another doesn't make a difference, because the world can only walk the highways! Pope Francis sent his message with Tony Palmer to Kennith Copeland knowing Mr Copeland is the right candidate to accept the offer-a false prophet at will. Kennith Copeland is the sole head of the Word faith movement which are prosperity preachers mocking the Word of God, just for their own gain for "Money! I suppose prosperity preachers are all alike, just like the indulgence theory, pay "large amounts of money to get out of purgatory Hell?
as usual you speak in ignorance.
the Catholic Church pursues ecumenism with other Christian churches in fulfilment of the word of God in John 17, because the aim of ecumenism is Christian unity as Jesus prayed.
with other religion, the Catholic Church does not pursue ecumenism but inter religious dialogue according to the word of scriptures that says "follow peace with all men". as Christians ecumenism meets people as brothers and sisters in Christ, inter religious dialogue on the other hand is to bring down misunderstanding and tensions that lead to violence..
ecumenism Is with Christians, inter religious dialogue is with other religions.
the Pope is not calling for a world religion, the Catholic Church does not pursue world religion, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Muslim and Christian are not one religion unless they convert. as usual your conspiracy theories are lying to you..
the Catholic Church does not accept gods we only believe in one God father, son and spirit, the blessed Trinity.
your conspiracy theorists are cheap liars,
lastly the Catholic Church does not preach prosperity gospel, and indulgence isn't about paying money, it is about doing good, today no one pays a dime for indulgence.
OLAADEGBU: Martin Luther protested that Catholic teachings were right and that Roman Catholic church is the best thing since sliced bread. Continue.
he protested against what he believed was wrong but even him was very clear that Catholics believe in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus and that they are Christians with valid ministry, true creed and sacrament unlike yourself who enjoy saying the opposite.
Catholics has the basics you listed, so I asked again, if that is all that is needed, why the Protestant revolution?
sorry your excerpts were not written by those who wrote the creed, when the council of nicea wrote the Catholic Church it wasn't referring to schismatics and heretical gathering like the Protestants, you can read up on it.
brocab: {John 10:14-16} “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father know me, even so know I the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one flock and one shepherd” Uben, you are so funny at times, nothing you say makes any sense, you are arguing over where this Priest came from, what is his religion? Can't you see the star attraction in the message? it was the Pope's message Tony Palmer had passed onto the Church, I don't care if Tony Palmer was the postman or the milkman-but in the video he is a Catholic Priest-but the point is, Kennith Copeland had open hell's doors for this priest, to deliver the Pope's message, the message is, Pope Francis is calling all Churches to agree to reunite together under His One Authority! Pope Francis is calling to become the shepherd of the flock! The Catholic Church is a universal Church, "Right" what does universal mean to our Christian faith? It means-Pope Francis had turned away from God, to please man, Pope Francis had shown the world he will bow down before other god's, he is calling for unity between men and their temples-Churches, Pope Francis is asking forgiveness in the name of the Catholic Church, what is unity? believing all in one accord under a One World religion, all religions combining together under one authority! One mind, One heart! And Pope Francis is the sole candidate to be the Authority over all. There is a difference between Pope Francis and the Word of God-coming under authority of the Catholic Church-would mean, we have abandoned our first love! this would be a good question to ask ourselves, are we in fellowship with the Lord, or are we in relationship with the world? Why would anybody want to return back to the Catholic Church that tried to destroy us, while we have a good outstanding relationship with Jesus? 'the Catholic Church is a Church that is based on tradition, all Churches have traditions rules and regulations, but a Church isn't a Church without having a just relationship with the Lord? So joining together under one roof one authority will mean the dark ages of the Catholic Church returns, religion persecuting Christians. Forgiveness I do, forgetting I do not do. {1 Corinthians 8:6} For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth {as there are many so-called gods and lords} yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist. But not everyone has this knowledge Some people are still so accustomed to idols that they eat such food as if it were sacrificed to an idol. And since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.… The Catholic Church is accustomed to bowing down before statue's, images of the heavenly realm! {John 17} is not actually what you think it to be, Jesus Prays for All Believers, you claim to be a believer but you deny the Word of God, everything God say's not to do, you do. Believers and Catholic's can not stand together under one roof, we don't agree on most topic's about God-so where and when do you ever agree with the Word of God? Where does the Pentecostal fit in the Catholic Church, where do the JW's fit into the Catholic Church, how about the Mormons, the Muslims, the Hindi's, what about the atheist, are they in one mind one heart with the universal Church, does Pope Francis honestly believe everybody is saved because of good works?
This is deafeningly a family reunion, the Pharisees accused Jesus of the same thing, If I am dividing Christians, then you must be the tares among the wheat, the wolves among the sheep, you are the many who was called, and I must be the few who is chosen!
you lied as usual that he was a Catholic priest sent by the Pope to deceive Copeland into the Catholic Church, whereas he is a Protestant who believes in ecumenism so Christians may walk together. Palmer is an ecumenist.
secondly Palmer didn't believe in all Christians under the same authority, he believed in working together and seeing each other as brothers that is the ecumenism he was preaching.
as per the Christian faith Catholic is that teaching and Church established by Jesus for the salvation of whole world it isn't pagan and doesn't worship false gods.
feel free to continue your tantrums but remember the words, prayer and wish of Jesus.
John Chapter 17 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
the 95 theses are the proposition that Martin Luther made to be discussed in the university of Wittenberg, it does not talk about the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
in fact 70% of the 95 thesis are Catholic teaching
OLAADEGBU: I would rather you be more organised even if you are to copy and paste what you saw on the web site, at least you should be do it decently and in order for easy reading. Having said that, what you posted up there was the Apostles' Creed and it was not written by any of the Apostles, it was written about 150 years after the death of all the Apostles. When it says the "Catholic Church," that does not mean the Roman Catholic church it means the "Universal church." They are a gathering of all those who have been saved by faith in shed blood of Jesus Christ alone.
The Apostles' Creed in no way shape or form espouses what the Roman Catholic church teaches. For instance, the Decalogue says that we should not bow down to worship any image, either of things in heaven or earth. Does the Roman Catholic have this in their Bibles, have you deleted that part from your Bibles? If not please prove me wrong.
that is not the apostles creed, what I posted is the Nicene creed, both the apostles creed and the Nicene creed are Catholic creed, written and believed by Christians who share the Catholic faith..
the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church not the heretics like the Protestant, and every article of the creed is believed by the Catholic Church.
Anas09: Oga, the Catholic Church remains the Harlot. Look at her flirtation with Islam now. Babylon the Great, the mother of prostitutes shall be destroyed.
MuttleyLaff: Before responding, bear in mind, what's at hand, isn't a perfect world order, brother We can later and/or further talk about other matters relating, besides this fact and truth
Ubenedictus, thank you for raising your head above the parapet and of much the thank you is for your honesty. You dont condone consenting adults faithful, committed, honest, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship having no detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another person but do you condemn consenting adults faithful, committed, honest, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship having no detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another person?
Or you neither condone nor condemn, consenting adults faithful, committed, honest, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship having no detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another person?
What such, exactly, would you strongly advise against?
Good, to see, someone for a change, giving ground Now, explain what and all you mean by "unless of course it is non sexual"?
Ah, what is right. Now, you will tell me, criminal gangs manage to do what is right, and do so without a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s), abi?
it seems we come to the discussion from different perspectives of morality, it seems for you something is OK if no one is hurt... my thought on morality is more like the virtue model. an action can be immoral even though it seems no one is cheated. a loving, committed.... honest but unmarried heterosexual relationship/cohabitation may not hurt anyone but it will still be formication still morally wrong.
budaatum: I wish it was my opinion, that humans decide the morals (right and wrong) of their own society. But let''s consider the evidence, shall we, and by 'morals' I will be very loose.
Slavery, let's start there. It is immoral to enslave another human being, or at least, that's the position today. It wasn't always immoral however, and was highly practised in antiquity, and some claimed justification from the gods. Today, however, would one say the gods changed their minds perhaps, or maybe humans did not understand where it says "thou shalt not enslave a human being" ? Thankfully, humans decided (or finally heard the gods say), "slavery is bad", and it got abolished.
Let's try homosexuality. Did you know it used to be a highly valued act in the Greek society long before the arrival of Jesus? It was not unusual for wealthy Greeks, and Romans, to have their favorite male on the side, and for centuries after. It was considered beneficial for the young male who acquired a teacher and benefactor (a "sugerdaddy", effectively), and for the benefactor who acquired a soyoyo of the male form. However, there were always those who stood against it and the history of the Greeks and the Romans is replete with acceptance of homosexuality, and its non-acceptance, and the laws were written accordingly. Britain is a classic example of this.
If you were gay in and up to the 70-80s in Britain, you better not let anyone know. Many gay people got married just so no one would know they were gay! If it was known, well, just better leave the country as you were fair game for a beating on the street. But that was still an improvement. Up till the 1900s, you'd have gone to jail. Today, however, many nations around the world are apologising for treating gay people so badly in the past. And its illegal to discriminate against gays
Here's another. All the way up to the 90s, though less obvious, "dogs, irish and blacks" were barred from certain places. You'd come across it if you wanted to rent a house or when you applied for a job, though the exceedingly polite English person would never tell you to your face. Funny thing is, when Americans came over during the second world war claiming their own G.I. blacks mustn't be sitting in the same places as G.I. Joes, the same English were not having it. Today however, you call me a black bastard on the streets of London, and your ass is going to jail.
Also consider numerous things humans have at one time or the other deemed moral, but not so anymore - exploitation of women, killing of witches, killing of twins, state legitimised human sacrifice, persecution of Catholics (Britain 1500s), persecution of Protestants (about the same time) and many more that laws have helped eradicate.
Now, if you look closely, it does sound like I am talking about the law, and not morality. However, laws are what have always been used to teach morals, after all those "thou shalt nots", are laws that are meant to teach morality. One wise person even went and wrote "Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."" Effectively, there is no sin if there is no law
The law in UK today is that "thou shalt not discriminate against a person because of their gender, race, sexual orientation and so on". The Church of England had an exemption to allow people to adjust but its run out, and they too have to now obey the law. And in my opinion, the world is a better place for it.
Here's a little secret however. The battle mentioned in the op is happening in the CoE and the Catholic Church. The CoE has no choice but to obey the law as it has 'established status', and the Catholic Church too, as it would not like to seem less 'established'. But go to a pentecostal church or a mosque in England and see how you'd get treated. And the amazing thing? While you would be arrested for calling a gay person on the street derogatory names, the police would not follow you to arrest a pentecostal preacher or imam denigrating homosexuality in his church or mosque. God help either of them if they preach homosexual hatred on the streets however. They be whisked off in handcuffs before you could say Allahu Akbar, or Jesus is Lord!
All said, I think when Christians say their morals come from God, they mean they learn their morals from the teachings written in their Holy Book. It would find agreement with the wise quotes above. Unfortunately, someone claimed he did not learn their morals, and by "from god" they claimed it was written into their dna from before they were born. It was in response to that claim that my response is what muttley quoted me as saying.
then we are in agreement. I do mean that as a Christian I learn morals through that which God has revealed.
as a side note there is a basic sense in which morality is innate, man is a thinking being and will to an extent know behaviours that are communally unacceptable, stuff like stealing will be considered immoral in every society.. hence the idea of natural law
MuttleyLaff: Teach brother. I wonder, whether or not, self-professed catholics, the likes of Ubenedictus, 9inches, Syncan, italo etcetera agree to the emboldened up there and accept that believers dont need to be canonized or formally recognized as biblical saints
As we have worn the likeness of the man who was made from the dust of the earth, we will also wear the likeness of the man who came from heaven. - 1 Corinthians 15:49
The biblical meaning of saints means "Set apart" and implies, a set of people, different and/or distinct, as in, due to, having a likeness of nature with God and so, set apart from others because of the fact of being special to God
Saints, have swapped the likeness of nature with Adam, for a likeness of nature with God 1 Corinthians 15:49 above, is a future entitlement
brocab: Topical, Uben I thought you had more sense-then write this sort of rubbish below-blind you are, and blind you will always be, it doesn't make any differences, he is still delivering Pope Francis message, you can deny everything, but the truth is this man is on video delivering Pope Francis's message to the charismatic movement in an Evangelical event! Uben, pay attention-call him what you like-a Catholic, Anglican Priest, who cares, as I had said: this very same man in the video is a messenger from Pope Francis himself, calling all Churches to reunite with the Catholic Church! Do you retrieve your information from comic books? Or is this something you dream up, you haven't the slightest idea what part of the Vatican this Priest came from, you will never change-you will always lie against the truth-what are you protecting Uben, yourself? {John 8:44-45} Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Anglican charismatic movement in an Evangelical event-the point he made Uben, he is still delivering Pope Francis's message to all Christians to reunite! After this man delivered Pope Francis's message, he was taken out of the way and he was killed on the motorcycle a sort time later, no one had attempted to deliver this same message since...
your usual rant and insult, throwing tantrums like a child.
Now your ignorance has been cleared, the speaker is Tony Palmer an Anglican and a friend with Kenneth Copeland, he is also involved in world ecumenism has known Pope Francis before, he had earlier visited the Vatican and asked pope Francis to address the conference, the message he preach is actually his own teaching, he wasn't sent by the pope as a representative.
all churches should unite, that is clearly biblical and the Catholic Church is committed the the unity of all Christians, that is call ecumenism, we do not do one world religion... that is totally different.
John Chapter 17 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
it is the devil who try to keep Christians divided, do you work for him?
akiOYIBO: Bribery continues..All dey kia is to always please the political and religious elites who would never uncomprise. So, if they had not murdered priests at Benue, the catholic bishop council would not deem it fit to protest against the alleged genocide on christian. And after the naive protest, dey av shamelessly gone mute enjoying their dividend of compromise..rubish
if you are not sure of something make research or keep shut.
the Catholic bishops has not been mute since then, even last week card okogie's open letter to buhari was front page on nairaland. don't add Catholics to the inaction of can
JMAN05: Just like you rightly said, he came for the sinners, so as to do what to the sinners? So that he can embrace and bless there work as active sinners? Shey? Or to make them repent by telling them to abandoned their ways? If he did condemn there practice, why not quote the journal and make ur point. No counter opinion from the bishop either condemning or disclaiming the opinion of the newspaper. So I don't know why you are burning. Wanna keep backing d wrong horse?
there is no newspaper report there, just pictures, you are just making assumptions as usual, you were not there. you have absolutely no idea what happened, the op didn't say anything either. what opinion will the bishop give? that he blessed masquerade, Jesus like the Pharisees who accused Jesus of acquitting the woman caught in adultery.
talk of a wrong horse, it is called Pharisaic Puritanism.
1stola: Russia and America (USA) always using any weak country they choose to play war games.
Evil people.
it is politics for them while lives are been lost, the other silly part are those following the war mongers because of religious fanaticism. funny rhetoric like "Jerusalem is the permanent capital of Israel", " it is Muslim territory" etc, forgetting the historic background of the city and the different peoples that rightly call her home
Zenithpeak: Ha!....... Honestly I don't intend to start any discussion on this matter but purgatory doctrine is mere one sided business motive, the other party gains absolutely nothing.
There is no middle ground between heaven and hell.
No other propitaion for sin after death.
No material things can make up for one's wrong doings after death.
The universe was not designed that way.
We believe such doctrine because of our gullibility and timidity in asking critical questions from our religious leaders.
A lot deception has been in circulation before our parents were born but unfortunately, we enlightened generations can not free our parents from eternal deception despite spending huge amount of money to get educated. If we continue like this, our children have no life.
not mean any harm bro.
if you don't understand something ask questions. don't just speak on hearsay from people who themselves are ignorant.
OkpaAkuEriEri: wat u said is too much for ur fada's brain. Y d insult? U wia talking in parables.human being is not the temple of God.Christ ask peter to build the church which is his temple. That temple is the Vatican
Christianity Etc › Re: Pope Says Personal Relationship With Jesus Is Dangerous and Harmful by Ubenedictus(m): 8:58pm On Jul 14, 2018
