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good evening all

solite3:
yes even if a Christian is not fruitful in good works he will be still be saved but he would have no reward.
Like the story of the prodigal son although he lost his reward as a son but he was still accepted.
Example of a born again who went to heaven without reward was the theif on the cross although he was fruitless in good works but he was saved.


the unprofitable servant was an unsaved man.

the prodigal son and the good thief repented and were forgiven and accepted, 1st John says if were confess he will forgive and clean us of unrighteousness. nor was the good thief fruitless in good works, he defended the cause of an innocent man and stopped his mockers.


no sir, the unprofitable servant is not an unsaved man, the unprofitable servant is one who refused to work with the grace he had received.

Matthew 25:26


His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant!
So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown
and gather where I have not scattered seed?
Well then, you should have put my money on
deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I
would have received it back with interest.
“‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it
to the one who has ten bags. For whoever has
will be given more, and they will have an
abundance. Whoever does not have, even what
they have will be taken from them. And throw
that worthless servant outside, into the darkness,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.’


even the goats according to Jesus are those who refused to work.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart
from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was
hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was
thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I
was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I
needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was
sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’



you will be judged based on works, the Bible is clear.


Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.

solite3:
a branch that abides in Christian cannot barren.
the fruit that is produce is from the vine not the branch mind you.
a man who is born again is a new creature that is the fruit.


mathew25:30 that unprofitable servants is not born again so i don't know what you are even saying.

you said even if the believer be unfruitful he will make heaven,

Jesus say,

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.

solite3:
you don't know the meaning of being saved.
you think being saved is different from having eternal life? you are clueless on this issue

John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



read this carefully and understand what Paul meant


John 6:26-29 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

who are those who work the work of God
who are those who persevered in good doing
they are the ones who believed on the Lord Jesus although in actual fact they did nothing.

if you are working for eternal life your work would be counted as debt.

Romans 4:4
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

it means eternal life is not a reward for working.


Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

sorry, to be saved is to have the life of God in you, you have eternal life but you still haven't made it to heaven, and the unproductive sinful born again will lose that eternal life and heaven.

justification is what is spoken about in that passage, the passage is clear God justifies the ungodly without good works, that he may walk in newness of life, those who are in Christ must work for them the scripture says work out your salvation with fear and trembling


that is why the Bible is clear on the day of judgement God will judge based on works



Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.

Hardeybohwarley:
Like you have not heard of Medicinal Weed. Even Catholic sisters are taking it.

those are not Catholic sisters

solite3:
the Roman Catholic Church of the antichrist leading souls to hell

the Protestant heretics are still protesting the Church Christ founded

solite3:
is that what you mean by being bornagain? smh
a man might have been enlightened by the word,the holy spirit should have worked through him it doesn't mean he is bornagain after all Jesus said many will claim they did miracles in his name but he will dismiss them that he never knew them.

if the one who is described in these words is not born again

been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy
Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word
of God and the powers of the age to come,



then sorry you don't know what it means to be born again.


are these once also not born again.

solite3:
you keep contradicting yourself on so many fronts

you said salvation us without effort but said eternal life isn't free.
preservation is by effort without a single verse to prove it.

nowhere does the bible say good works saves or preserves or sanctifies but you keep shifting goal post.

you don't know what you are saying

preservation aka sanctification is not without effort..


that is exactly what peter teaches.

2 Peter 1
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make
every effort to confirm your calling and election.
For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
and you will receive a rich welcome into the
eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ.


that is what sanctification is about, the Christian works in the grace he as received and so continues in increasing measure so he confirms his calling and election.


lastly I have never shifted the goal post.

throughout the thread I have clearly said good works do NOT save and justification is WITHOUT works. my points were laid out from the beginning.


from the first page I clearly explained in what sense the word preserve can be used, only in the sense that it ensures a continued increase in grace so the Christian does not stumble, does not become unprofitable and is not cut off.

solite3:
I can't remember where the apostle said confirm your salvation with good works is there any place show me?

2 Peter 1

Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make
every effort to confirm your calling and election.
For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
and you will receive a rich welcome into the
eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ.



read up

solite3:
read to context
Peter said if you possess these qualities in increasing measure it will keep you from being unproductive in knowledge


mathew25:30 is about a different issue entirely.

Matthew 25 is exactly about unprofitability that is the issue and it is very instructive.


Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.


For if you possess
these qualities in increasing measure, they will
keep you from being ineffective and unproductive
in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


if you don't have those qualities in increasing measure then your knowledge of Christ Jesus is certainly unproductive.

solite3:
eternal life is a reward for what exactly?
if eternal life is a reward that means Christ died in vain


Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


salvation can either be by grace free from human work or by work as a reward.

then you are ignorant of scriptures.


Romans 2:6-8 New American Bible (Revised
Edition) (NABRE)
who will repay everyone according to his works:
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor,
and immortality through perseverance in good
works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly
disobey the truth and obey wickedness.


God will repay (reward) people according to their works, eternal life is both inheritance and reward for works.... that is very clear.


you were saved without effort, is by grace without works, but your works is what you will be judged on.


justification is by grace without works, but glorification is not without works. it is clear

solite3:
lol just say you were wrong

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

there are many who will be saved without any work to be rewarded
John told you a born again cannot live in sin go and argue with him.

then you haven't been reading my posts, my Second post on the thread clearly shows that the word "preserve" is not my choice word and I only understand it to be true in one sense.

maybe the word preserve let him down, but he does
have a point. Jesus told the parable of the vine and he
told us that the guy without works AKA fruits will be
cut of, which means the branch the continues in good
work is assured of not been cut off.
in that parable works is presented as a test by which
people are cut off or remain in the vine.

secondly, the man whose work is burnt up actually has works, the Bible says they worked, they built using straw and hay, it was imperfect but they worked, they built.


the Bible is very clear, the branch that does not bear fruit will be cut off, even worse the branch that bears bad fruit.


an unprofitable Christian is a hell bound Christian.


Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.


your interpretation of John is wrong again, if John believed the born again doesn't sin he wouldn't have written this

" If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and
will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all
unrighteousness" (1:9)

solite3:
do you know the meaning of God's workmanship created for Good works.
it does not mean God expects good works from the believer but he made it into his DNA as a new creature.
by the way nowhere did it say good works preserve.
kind refer me to the verse where it says good works preserve the believer.

good works is beneficial to everyone of cause, but it does not save anyone neither does it preserve the believer

lastly, through out the thread I never said good works preserve salvation, in fact I remember saying the word preserve sounds too much, I said
1.it played a role in sanctification,
2.I explained that eternal life is both inheritance and reward, the person who disagreed later agreed

lastly I have asserted that the unproductive Christian who lives in sin instead will not inherit eternal life.


each of these cases I have expounded with scriptures.

Gggg102:
what I think is that works are a by-product of faith. works are evidence of faith. if faith does not produce work, then the faith is false.

being born again according to Paul in his letter to romans means being dead to sin. if a person says he is born again but does not perform good works then he is not born again. a person can not live in sin and claim to be dead to sin. works is proof of faith.

so what about the born again who is really born again but has become unproductive and now in sin according to heb 6

solite3:
there is nothing like a failed born again
a born again does not live in sin.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Hebrew 6vs 4 is talking about people who reject Christ inspite of having every previledges of knowing him not a man who is born of God.

no dear, the passage in Hebrew speaks of those who have been enlightened by the word and received the holy spirit, that is exactly the born again.


Grace and living in sin does not coexist, you must chose one. either in grace or in sin. even the born again has the same choice, if he chooses sin then Hebrew 6 apply and the result is hell.

solite3:
mind you the new creature already has this but the admonition Peter gives is to increase in it.
he can become unproductive in the knowledge of Christ but not lose his salvation the problem is he who lacks this things.
he will lose his reward not salvation.

A new creature is already complete in Christ.



Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

so a believer who is unproductive will not lose salvation? that show you contradict the scriptures


For if you possess
these qualities in increasing measure, they will
keep you from being ineffective and unproductive
in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But
whoever does not have them is nearsighted and
blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed
from their past sins.
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make
every effort to confirm your calling and election.
For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
and you will receive a rich welcome into the
eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ.



you are saved yet the Bible says, you must confirm your election by good works and it is if we do these things that we should expect heaven.


Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.


the unprofitable guy gets thrown into outer darkness not heaven.


so recap.


solite3 say: the unprofitable guy goes to heaven


Jesus says:

Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth.


I follow Jesus not solite3

solite3:
A believer living in the reality of his new life is like fish living in water or a smoker smoking his favourite cigarette.
Do you even know what grace is?
A believer does not cooperate with grace he lives and soar in grace.


A born again has been perfected for ever he lives in the boldness of the reality of the finished work of Christ on the cross.

then you must explain to the apostle why he thinks that one who is born again can be unfruitful and perish.


Hebrew 6:4
For it is impossible, in the case
of those who have once been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy
Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word
of
God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then
have fallen away, to restore them again to
repentance, since they are crucifying once again the
Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to
contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that
often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to
those
for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing
from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is
worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is
to
be burned.

brocab:
Uben have you ever wondered if Pope Francis really believed in Christianity! I had always wondered?

no, I never wondered because I know the Pope is a Christian.

solite3:
do you know the meaning of God's workmanship created for Good works.
it does not mean God expects good works from the believer but he made it into his DNA as a new creature.
by the way nowhere did it say good works preserve.
kind refer me to the verse where it says good works preserve the believer.

good works is beneficial to everyone of cause, but it does not save anyone neither does it preserve the believer

so what happens when the believer who has good works written in his DNA do not walk in such but instead in sin.

brocab:
It isn't really my problem. but a problem you had made for yourself, the day you stand before God, he will say to you, I sent brocab My servant to give you warning he witnessed to you the dangers of idol worship, and you refuse My Word in him, and you refused My Words In Me!
He will say to you Uben you wicked servant, you will spend eternity with the Devil and his angels..
This is way above the supernatural mentally, I couldn't comprehend this happening to anybody, Walking with God I wouldn't dare not to obey His command, His Word is my first priority, walking with God I no longer fear death, without God I feared death, walking with God I have a choice, without God my Choice was to spend eternity in hell.
Uben "Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. {Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5}
Is it really worth your wild card, to bow down before idol's and the Pope, when God had warned us it is forbidden not too?
Do you know every statue that is made by man is supernaturally spirit filled, Catholic people are praying before images of pagan god's-Not God, do you know Christians are in prayer fighting against the powers of the demonic and the principalities in this world everyday!

so you bow before idols, hope you know that is a sin? stop committing idolatry, the Catholic Church is against such.

Gggg102:
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

what is the explanation of this passage and how does it affect the teaching of salvation/justification?


cc: Jiggaz, bloodofthelamb, ken4christ, ubenedictus, solite3...

it is a basic passage.

incest appeared among the Christians in the Church, Paul said that shouldn't even be heard among Christians and directed he should be excommunicated.


Even Christians can fall from grace, the Christian Church has the duty to ensure discipline.


as for salvation, the passage isn't classically about that, it only shows that even Christians sin and sometimes in horrible ways.

brocab:
Interesting, no-one is Iconoclastic criticising, but unforgivably these are images on how the Catholic's bow down before their god when and after praying!
You already know this Uben, this isn't a secret to the world-everyone knows it! If the Pope's the head, then the rest of the body follows!
http://romancatholicbeliefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pope-kiss-mary-595.jpg

as I earlier said Christianity is not iconoclastic, if you have a problem with images then go take a chill pill

solite3:
good works a product of salvation not the other way round

Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

good works is profitable to men for acceptance not God
it can also be a sign that a man is saved.
Paul advice Christians to be rich in good works so that they can convince people of their testimony and when they fail they become unprofitable to men in their ministry. it has nothing to do with salvation.

no dear, it seems you can't comprehend English,



New International Version
This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress
these things, so that those who have trusted in God
may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is
good. These things are excellent and profitable for
everyone.
New Living Translation
This is a trustworthy saying, and I want you to insist
on these teachings so that all who trust in God will
devote themselves to doing good. These teachings
are good and beneficial for everyone.


good work is good and profitable for all men, not just because men love to see good work but because God has foreordained us that we should do them. it is a sign that we are saved, it is a result of our salvation and those who do the opposite are suited to be burnt according to Hebrew 6.

eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, having been created in
Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared
beforehand that we should walk in them.

solite3:
clinging to his status you say, knowing his identity as a born again believer reminds the Christian of whom God has made him to be and therefore lives out the life.
Peter is addressing fruitfulness in knowledge of the Lord Jesus. he encourages Christians to grow more this is the only way to be fruitful he never mentioned good works but simply qualities.

correct, he must know his identity as a son and live in that reality, that is correct theology, anything less is trouble.



when I say good work in a believer, I mean everything, every effort by which a believer cooperates with grace, including godliness, self control, perseverance.

solite3:
when it comes to salvation and preservation it is the work of God.
every born again believer grow in the knowledge of Christ but the pace is different hence Peter said put all your effort.

oh salvation is without effort, but it certainly isn't preserved without effort, that is why the apostles warned


For this very reason, make every effort to add
to your faith goodness; and to goodness,
knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and
to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance,
godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection;
and to mutual affection, love. For if you possess
these qualities in increasing measure, they will
keep you from being ineffective and unproductive
in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

solite3:
don't worry there is nothing like a failed new creature it is either you are born again or you are not.

all a born again believer does is to walk in his new nature.
by the way good works is a natural thing for a born again because he had been created for that.

there is something like a failed new creature according to the Bible.

Hebrew 6:4

For it is impossible, in the case
of those who have once been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy
Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of
God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then
have fallen away, to restore them again to
repentance, since they are crucifying once again the
Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to
contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that
often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those
for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing
from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is
worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to
be burned.



the Christian who has received grace but bears only thorns is worthless and will receive damnation...


put simply a born again living in sin is very possible and the result is a failed born again, worthless and heading to be burnt.

solite3:
nowhere was it written that good works saved or preserved a person.

you have a wrong gospel
God don't give grace to work salvation but he himself did it
any sinner who believed on the Jesus as his saviour is justified already.

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

again you seem to lack understanding, we are justified by faith in the finished works of Jesus not by our deeds, all those passages agree with that.

the 2nd point is that we are saved/justified for good works which God foreordained that we do. so you have been justified so as to perform good works.


eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, having been created in
Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared
beforehand that we should walk in them.

A Christian is a new creature that made in the nature of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

the new creature was created for good works, if the new creature does not do his reason for creation he is a failed creature



eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, having been created in
Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared
beforehand that we should walk in them.

then read carefully, good works don't saved but they are the assured signs of faith and the justification for our election.

solite3:
nowhere was it written that good works saved or preserved a person.

2 pt 1

8 For if you possess these qualities and continue to
grow in them, they will keep you from being
ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our
Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But whoever lacks these traits is
nearsighted to the point of blindness, having
forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past
sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more eager to
make your calling and election sure. For if you
practice these things you will never stumble,

solite3:
the unprofitable servant does not represent those who are bornagain.

those who are saved cannot be unprofitable just as those who are not saved can never be profitable.

this is my submission.
remain blessed

if it is impossible for the born again to be unprofitable then the several exaltation to good works found through out the new testament would be superfluous.


Titus 3:14
Our people must also learn to engage in good
deeds to meet pressing needs, so that they will
not be unfruitful.


it is good works that are fruits of faith and salvation, he who does not work in them is unfruitful and unprofitable and like that servant would not receive a reward.
2pt 1:6


For this very reason, make every effort to add
to your faith goodness; and to goodness,
knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and
to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance,
godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection;
and to mutual affection, love. For if you possess
these qualities in increasing measure, they will
keep you from being ineffective and unproductive
in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


it is these that makes a born again Christian to be called profitable not just a futile clinging to his status.

brocab:
No this is a picture of Pope Francis uniting together, notice all these are other religions, it doesn't matter how much you deny the truth about Pope Francis-the news is flying in every direction, there's only one Catholic Church who have there heads in the clouds more then the others! "Always remember you will stand in judgment before the Father in Heaven, not the Pope.
http://romancatholicbeliefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pope-kiss-mary-595.jpg
These Catholics are clearly kneeling and praying before a statue of Mary. This is kneeing down before another god!
http://romancatholicbeliefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/mary-statue-worship.jpg
Catholic faithful pray at a statue of the Virgin Mary after a morning mass, at the Church of the Assumption in Lagos, Nigeria, which one is you Uben, this is what you do!" Salvation is through Messiah alone, not through Mary!
http://romancatholicbeliefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/mary-candles2.jpg
http://romancatholicbeliefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Nigeria-catholics.jpg
WORLD NEWS-Pope Francis: God Has Instructed Me to Revise the Ten Commandments JULY 6, 2015 by R. HOBBUS J.D.
I suppose the Pope will lie once more to say-God told him to rewrite the bible too?
{John 14:6} The Bible says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
{Acts 4:12} The Bible says, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
{1 Timothy 2:5-6} The Bible says, “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all.”
Praying to Mary is harlotry, as you are revering and praying to someone else other than the Messiah who paid for your redemption with His blood as the Passover Lamb of Elohim.
Messiah alone is your Savior and Intercessor. The Bible never declares that Mary fulfills those roles. That is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, which is contrary to Scriptures.

another set of rubbish.

Christianity is not iconoclastic

brocab:
I suppose time will tell? But I do believe Pope Francis is a good candidate for the job, his religion is the only religion that will bow down before other religious god's!
While Pope Francis is making a spectral out from himself, universal means Catholicism worships, not One God but many god's.
Do we see the Buddhist bowing down before the Catholic Church-do they praise and worship the Catholic Church?
Do the Muslims bow down before Jesus, what about other religions, who do they bow down before?
It is said: Muslims pray inside the Catholic Church-but not to images of Mary-but Pope Francis prays to Allah-Mohammad, he prays before god's that can not save him, nor anybody else in this matter..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiU9WiyPJE

.


this is just rubbish.

that is pope John Paul not Francis and again it had nothing to do with one world religion, it was about peace among all peoples.

brocab:
I suppose this isn't what we would call religion! Pope Francis claims these different religions that follow love worship only one God-"No they worship different god's, these people don't know God-and If Pope Francis loved these people, Pope Francis would bring them to Christ-Pope Francis would give them warning to repent and cry out unto the Lord to forgive them, Pope Francis would pray for them to be saved in Christ Jesus.
I don't know about you Uben, but these people need God, there's no other way to the Father without Jesus, these people have lost their way, and it would be Pope Francis rights to call upon the Lord to pray for the Buddhist, the Muslims, and every other religion that doesn't seek the after Christ, these people need Jesus to come unto them, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit!
These people need God-not a love that draws them further away from the creator of Love "God".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq7us5Lf5IU

I watched the video, the Pope said we should pray for inter religious dialogue, and added that all humans no matter the religion are God's children.
he didn't say all are serving the same God, each person there introduced his faith and the Pope simply said these are paths people used in seeking God or where people have found God.


every thing there is just plain facts, there is no one world religion there just a call to pray for inter religious dialogue.