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OkpaAkuEriEri:
I didn't go 2 mass since last week because am depress.
Sometimes I serve mass.I am very active in my diocese
And I always go 4 confession.but I hv not sinx last week

So today my revered father call me and say dt I hv change dat if I die,no amount of prayer will snd me 2 purgatory.
I WS so angry because he dint ask me wat is wrong wit me.
He just start accusing me dat I am a hell fire candidate.
Becos I didnt come for today mass.

If not dat he is a man of God I will HV tell him fork u n end d call.
But I endure.

what type of depression, are you seeing a doctor?

OkpaAkuEriEri:
Okay I will try. Tanks for dis advice. But it is because we must sin dat we have Confession. So dt d sin u have already sinned will be pardoned.
N it dont heap up

nope, we have confession so we can sin no more

As Christian seem to rejoice at the US-Jerusalem capital issue, I hope we take a minute to consider a option for peace in the middle east instead of religious rightism. here are the popes thought.




Francis’ words at the end of the dialogue with the patriarchs: “No more occupying territories and thus tearing people apart! No more racing to stockpile new arms. War is the daughter of power and poverty”.


“Let there be an end to using the Middle East for gains that have nothing to do with the Middle East!”. At the end of the dialogue behind closed doors in the Basilica of St Nicholas in Bari, where the patriarchs of all the Churches of the Middle East discussed the situation in the region, Francis and his guests freed some doves as a sign of peace. The meeting opened by Pierbattista Pizzaballa, administrator of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, who spoke of epochal-changing-topics- both political and religious - underway in the area. The devastation of recent wars, particularly in tortured Syria, and the role of the Christian Churches, which must abandon any “alliance” with the political powers and avoid relying on human and political strategies in the face of the hemorrhage that has caused more than half of Christian faithful to flee.

Before releasing the doves and concluding this
unprecedented meeting, the Pope took the floor again,
expressing his gratitude for the moment of sharing lived
with the patriarchs. Bergoglio first of all recalled a
fundamental aspect of the evangelical style: the presence of Christians in the Middle East will be all the more prophetic when it is peaceful and extraneous to the logics of the world.

Francis said: “Our way of being Church is also tempted
by worldly attitudes, by a concern for power and profit,
for quick and convenient solutions. Then too, there is the
reality of our sinfulness, the disconnect between faith
and life that obscures our witness. We sense our need
for renewed conversion to the Gospel, the guarantee of
authentic freedom, and our need to do so urgently, as
the Middle East endures a night of agony. As in the
agony of Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, it will not
be flight or the sword that will lead to the radiant dawn
of Easter. Instead, it will be our gift of self, in imitation of
the Lord”. It is a significant reminder not to leave, as well
as not to invoke powerful armed “protectors”, which is
based on historical evidence: the Christian faith that
originated in the Middle East “ has won over human
hearts down the centuries because it is bound not to the
powers of this world, but to the unarmed power of the
cross”.

Bergoglio then stressed that today’s dialogue “has been
a sign of our need to pursue encounter and unity without
being afraid of our differences. So it is with peace: it too
must be cultivated in the parched soil of conflict and
discord, because today, in spite of everything, there is
no real alternative to peacemaking. Truces maintained by
walls and displays of power will not lead to peace, but
only the concrete desire to listen and to engage in
dialogue”. Christians are committed to walking, praying
and working together, in the hope that the art of
encounter will prevail over strategies of conflict. In the
hope that the display of threatening signs of power will
yield to the power of signs”. Men and women of good
will of different beliefs, unafraid of dialogue, open to the
ideas of others and concerned for their good. Only in this
way, by ensuring that no one lacks bread and work,
dignity and hope, will the cries of war turn into songs of
peace”. In order for this to happen, “ it is essential that
those in power choose finally and decisively to work for
true peace and not for their own interests. Let there be
an end to the few profiting from the sufferings of many!
No more occupying territories and thus tearing people
apart! No more letting half-truths continue to frustrate
people’s aspirations! Let there be an end to using the
Middle East for gains that have nothing to do with the
Middle East!”

Francis then added impromptu, “Let us think of the
tortured Syria, particularly the Daraa province. There, bitter fighting has started yet again, resulting in a large number of displaced people, who were exposed to terrible suffering. War is the daughter of power and poverty...

Francis then denounced the “scourge” of war that
“tragically assails this beloved region. The poor are its
principal victims. Let us think only of war-torn Syria. War
is the daughter of power and poverty. It is defeated by
renouncing the thirst for supremacy and by eradicating
poverty. So many conflicts have been stoked too by forms of fundamentalism and fanaticism that, under the guise of religion, have profaned God’s name – which is peace – and persecuted age-old neighbours”.
But violence “ is always fueled by weapons. You cannot speak of peace while you are secretly racing to stockpile new arms. This is a most serious responsibility weighing on the conscience of nations, especially the most powerful”.

“Let us not forget the last century - Let us not forget the lessons of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Let us not turn the
Middle East, where the Word of peace sprang up, into dark stretches of silence. Let us have enough of stubborn opposition! Enough of the thirst for profit that surreptitiously exploits oil and gas fields without regard for our common home, with no scruples about the fact that energy market now dictates the law of coexistence among peoples!”

Francis asked that “every community be protected, not
simply the majority”. And he invokes that “Christians too are, and ought to be, full citizens enjoying equal rights”.
There is also a reference to Jerusalem, whose identity
and vocation “must be safeguarded apart from various
disputes and tensions, and whose status quo demands to be respected, as decided by the international community and repeatedly requested by the Christian communities of the Holy Land. Only “a negotiated solution between Israelis and Palestinians, firmly willed and promoted by the international community, will be able to lead to a stable and lasting peace, and guarantee the coexistence of two states for two peoples”.

The Pope also spoke of children, - let’s not forget children! - And thinking of the little ones, we will soon release, all together, and along with some dovesm, also
our desire for peace. “In the Middle East, for years, an
appalling number of young people mourn violent deaths
in their families and see their native land threatened,
often with their only prospect being that of flight. This is the death of hope. All too many children have spent
most of their lives looking at rubble instead of schools,
hearing the deafening explosion of bombs rather than
the happy din of playgrounds. May humanity listen –
this is my plea – to the cry of children, whose mouths
proclaim the glory of God. Only by wiping away their
tears will the world recover its dignity. May the Middle
East, Francis concludes, “ no longer be an ark of war
lying between continents, but an ark of peace that
welcomes peoples of different backgrounds and beliefs.
At the end of his speech, the Pope and the patriarchs
together hopped on the bus to the archbishopric for
lunch. At the long white table, decorated with some
flowers, Francis sits between the Coptic Pope Tawadros
II and the Archbishop of Bari Francesco Cacucci, in front of the Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew. At 3.30p.m., the Pontiff will take leave of his guests, some of
whom will still remain in Bari, and before boarding the
helicopter he will greet the authorities. The return to the Vatican is expected around 5 pm.

http://en.abouna.org/content/pope“let-us-not-turn-middle-east-dark-stretches-silence-hiroshima”

OkpaAkuEriEri:
Is like u r not a Catholic. Dat is wat we r thought in the church.

nope,

indulgence in sin is not an option

No dear.

the next son takes the mother at the death of the eldest son that is basic Jewish tradition, the Arabs do something similar

At death, Jesus gave his mother to his closest disciple...in Judaism that can't happen if Mary had other kids.


besides the unanimous witness of the Early Church, all who talked about the issue are pretty clear that Mary had no other kids. added to the uninterrupted witness of the Christian Church on the matter, from the earliest times till about 1700 no Christian in right standing would dispute this. that pretty much seals it for me.

thank God

9inches:
I don't deny what I say.

You see how bad a liar you are?


I never denied what I said. Your mind is playing a fast one on you.


I wasn't arguing about what it used to be known or understood as. The real meaning of a word or term does not change regardless of what people like Tyndale understood it to be.

The word "Church" (Latin ecclesia, from the Greek ek-ka-lein, to "call out of" ) means a convocation or an assembly. It designates the assemblies of the people, usually for a religious purpose. Ekklesia is used frequently in the Greek Old Testament for the assembly of the Chosen People before God, above all for their assembly on Mount Sinai where Israel received the Law and was established by God as his holy people.

By calling itself "Church," the first community of Christian believers recognized itself as heir to that assembly. In the Church, God is "calling together" his people from all the ends of the earth. The equivalent Greek term Kyriake, from which the English word Church and the German Kirche are derived, means "what belongs to the Lord."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p1.htm

this is semantics.

words take meanings that are different from their etymological sources, Church may be related to kirche in German and may simply mean gathering in a circle but the people of God has also used that same word with a different meaning I.e the gathering of Christians.


in meaning the Greek ekklesia is equivalent to the Latin ecclesiam and translated Church in English

OLAADEGBU:
Do you your priests and popes preach the gospel?

yes of course

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel
I preached to you, which you received, in which
you stand, and by which you are being saved, if
you hold fast to the word I preached to you —
unless you believed in vain
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also
received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with
the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on
the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
-1 Corinthians 15:3-4


this is the gospel and it is taught and believed by every Catholic

below is the Catholic Creed as you will see it contains all those points

I believe in one God,




"I am the Lord thy God,
which have brought thee
out of the land of Egypt, out
of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other
gods before me." -Exodus
20:2,3
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one
Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with
all thy strength: this is the first commandment." -Mark
12:29-31




the Father Almighty,
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and
through all, and in you all." -Ephesians 4:6
"Have we not all one father? Hath not one God
created us?" -Malachi 2:10
"And God said unto him, I am God Almighty:" -
Genesis 35:11



Maker of heaven and earth,
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth." -Genesis 1:1
"Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD, that
maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; -
Isaiah 44:24



and of all things seen and unseen.
"For by him were all things created, that are in
heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by
him and for him:" -Colossians 1:16
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they
are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20




A nd in one Lord Jesus Christ,
"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all
comfort;" -2 Corinthians 1:3
"Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the
Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord
Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our
Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." -I Thessalonians 1:1
"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not
provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." - Romans
13:14
the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father
before all ages;
" For God so loved the world that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish but have everlasting life." -John
3:16
"And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten
into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of
God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6
"Then they that were in the ship came and
worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son
of God." -Matthew 14:33
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith
the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
the Almighty." -Revelation 1:8




God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God;
begotten, not made,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God. The same was in
the beginning with God." -John 1:1
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no
darkness at all." -I John 1:5
"Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am the light of
the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,
but shall have the light of life." -John 8:12
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord
and my God." -John 20:28
" And we know that the Son of God is come, and has
given us understanding, that we may know him that
is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his
Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal
life." -I John 5:20
" I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to
me, "You are my son, today I have begotten you." -
Psalms 2:7
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee?
And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be
to me a Son?" -Hebrews 1:5
"He who has seen me has seen the Father." -John 14:9
being of one substance with the Father;
"I and my Father are one." -John 10:30
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I
am the last; and beside me there is no God." -
Isaiah 44:6
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith
the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
the Almighty." -Revelation 1:8
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God:" -Philippians 2:6
"But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the
works: that ye may know, and believe, that the
Father is in me, and I in him." -John
10:38
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily." -Colossians 2:9



by whom all things were made.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God. The same was in
the beginning with God. All things were made by
him; and without him was not anything made that
was made. ...He was in the world, and the world
was made by him, and the world knew him not.
...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among
us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the
only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth." -John 1:1-3,10,14
"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of
the mystery, which from the beginning of the world
hath been hid in God, who created all things by
Jesus Christ." -Ephesians 3:9
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all
things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
are all things, and we by him." -I Corinthians 8:6
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of
every creature. For by him were all things created, that are
in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he
is before all things, and by him all things
consist." -Colossians 1:15-17



W ho, for us all for our salvation, came down from
heaven,
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain
salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," -I Thessalonians 5:9
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we
must be saved." -Acts 4:12
"And that from a child, thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through
faith, which is in Christ Jesus." -II Timothy 3:15
"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any
man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread
that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of
the world." -John 6:51
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own
will, but the will of him that sent me." -John 6:38




and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary,
and was made man;
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:
When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,
before they came together, she was found with child
of the Holy Ghost." -Matthew 1:18
"To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was
Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's
name was Mary. ...And the angel answered and
said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow
thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be
born of thee shall be called the Son of God." -Luke
1:27,35
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal
with God: But made himself of no reputation,
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was
made in the likeness of men:" -Philippians
2:6,7
"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which
was made of the
seed of David according to the flesh;" -
Romans 1:3


and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know
assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." -
Acts 2:36
"And when they had bound him, they led him away, and
delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. ...Then
released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged
Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified." -Matthew 27:2,26
"And so Pilate, willing to content the people,
released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus,
when he had scourged him, to be crucified." -Mark
15:15



He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose
again, in accordance with the Scriptures;
" From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his
disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and
suffer many things of the elders and chief priests
and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the
third day." -Matthew 16:21
"And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and
wrapped him in the linen shroud, and laid him in a
sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock; and rolled
a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." -Mark 15:46
"And as they were afraid, and bowed down their
faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye
the living among the dead? He is not here, but is
risen: remember how he spake unto you when he
was yet in Galilee, Saying The Son of man must be
delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be
crucified, and the third day rise
again." -Luke 24:5-7
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
received: how that Christ died for our sins according to the
Scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again
the third day according to the Scriptures;" -I Corinthians
15:3-4


and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of
the Father;
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not
yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren,
and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and
your Father; and to my God, and your God." -John
20:17
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory." -I Timothy 3:16
" ...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into
heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and
authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” -I
Peter 3:21,22
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he
was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight."
-Acts 1:9
"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he
was received up into heaven, and sat on the right
hand of God." -Mark 16:19
and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the living
and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
"And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went
up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which
also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into
heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into
heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him
go into heaven." -Acts 1:10,11
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the
earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." -
Revelation 1:7
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed
all judgment unto the Son:" -John 5:22
"And he commanded us to preach unto the people,
and to testify that it is he which was ordained of
God to be judge of quick and dead." -Acts
10:42
"And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of
his kingdom there shall be no end." -Luke 1:33


And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of
Life;
"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth
him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and
shall be in you." -John 14:17
"Now the Lord is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of
the Lord is, there is liberty." -II Corinthians 3:17
"Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has
so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy
Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money
you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you
before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't
the money at your disposal? What made you think
of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but
to God." -Acts 5:3,4
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God." -John 3:5
"Not by works of righteousness which we have
done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by
the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
Holy Ghost;" -Titus 3:5


who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and
the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke
by the prophets.
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send
unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth,
which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify
of me:" -John 15:26
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts
unto your children: how much more shall your
heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that
ask him?" -Luke 11:13
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost:" -Matthew 28:19
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
Ghost." -II Peter 1:21


And I believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic
Church.
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall
believe on me through their word; That they all may be one;
as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may
be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and
thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
them, as thou hast loved me. " -John 17:20-23
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye
walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With
all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing
one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the
Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one
Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One
Lord, one faith, one baptism; One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all." -
Ephesians 4:1-6
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is
the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in
all things he might have the preeminence." -
Colossians 1:18
"To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which
are written in heaven," -Hebrews 12:23
"...they which are written in the Lamb's book of
life." -Revelation 21:27
"...and with other my fellowlabourers, whose
names are in the book of life." -Philippians 4:3
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name,
there am I in the midst of them." -Matthew 18:20
"And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our
fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:" -Philemon
1:2
"Likewise greet the church that is in their house." -Romans
16:5
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou
oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the
church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."
-I Timothy 3:15
"And are built upon the foundation of the apostles
and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief
corner stone;" -Ephesians 2:20
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." -Acts
2:42


I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go
ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Ghost:" -Matthew 28:18,19
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism," -Ephesians 4:5
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have
put on Christ." -Galatians 3:27
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed
for many for the remission of sins." -Matthew 26:28
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in his name among all nations, beginning at
Jerusalem." -Luke 24;47
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the
remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of
the Holy Ghost." -Acts 2:38
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save
us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the
answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the
resurrection of Jesus Christ:” -I Peter 3:21
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are
buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ
was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even
so we also should walk in newness of life." -Romans 6:3,4


and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life
of the world to come. Amen.
"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the
dead, how say some among you that there is no
resurrection of the dead?" -1
Corinthians 15:12
"For since by man came death, by man came also
the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all
die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." -1
Corinthians 15:21,22
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John
3:16
"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which
God hath prepared for them that love him." -1
Corinthians 2:9
"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to
whom be the glory for ever. Amen." -Romans 11:36
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OLAADEGBU:
If that is what you teach Martin Luther wouldn't have protested with his 95 thesis.

Luther 95 thesis was not about the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus in fact Catholics believe all those basic points, Catholics were the ones who defined all those basic points.

infact Luther believed the Catholic creed and believed Catholics were Christians, unlike you.


We on our part confess that there
is much that is Christian and good
under the papacy; indeed
everything that is Christian and
good is to be found there and has
come to us from this source. For
instance we confess that in the
papal church there are the true
holy Scriptures, true baptism, the
true sacrament of the altar, the
true keys to the forgiveness of sins,
the true office of the ministry, the
true catechism in the form of the
Lord’s Prayer, the Ten
Commandments, and the articles of
the creed . . . I speak of what the
pope and we have in common . . . I
contend that in the papacy there is
true Christianity, even the right
kind of Christianity and many great
and devoted saints.
. . . The Christendom that now is
under the papacy is truly the body
of Christ and a member of it. If it is
his body, then it has the true spirit,
gospel, faith, baptism, sacrament,
keys, the office of the ministry,
prayer, holy Scripture, and
everything that pertains to
Christendom. So we are all still
under the papacy and therefrom
have received our Christian
treasures.
. . . We do not rave as do the
rebellious spirits, so as to reject
everything that is found in the
papal church. For then we would
cast out even Christendom from the
temple of God, and all that it
contained of Christ.
[251] . . . We recall that St. John was
not averse to hearing the Word of
God from Caiaphas and pays
attention to his prophecy [John
11:49 f.] . . . Christ bids us hear the
godless Pharisees in the seat of
Moses, though they are godless
teachers . . . Let God judge their
evil lies. We can still listen to their
godly words . . .
Still we must admit that the
enthusiasts have the Scriptures and
the Word of God in other doctrines.
Whoever hears it from them and
believes will be saved, even though
they are unholy heretics and
blasphemers of Christ.
. . . [256] if the first, or child,
baptism were not right, it would
follow that for more than a
thousand years there was no
baptism or any Christendom, which
is impossible. For in that case the
article of the creed, I believe in one
holy Christian church, would be
false . . . [257] If this baptism is
wrong then for that long period
Christendom would have been
without baptism, and if it were
without baptism it would not be
Christendom.
( Concerning Rebaptism: A Letter to
Two Pastors, 1528, Luther’s Works ,
Vol. 40, 225-262; translated by
Conrad Bergendoff, pp. 231-232,
251, 256-257)

brocab:
I had noticed you didn't mention this video? And of course there is good reason why you never mentioned it, because this priest is standing in a Pentecostal Church pleading with Kenneth Copeland to return back to the Catholic Church! This Priest is actually doing what you are denying Uben..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S94msQbNFZY
This is what I like about you Uben, you write like you may know something, but short and sweet actually shows, you haven't a clue what is going on around you-it isn't my idea, it's the worlds idea, and in the bible it is written, and what's pagan, is you Uben not fully understanding nor believing the Word of God!
It's always the case-it isn't worth asking have you not read the bible-or is this something that may come later in life?
Sometimes I wonder why the Catholic's believe they are even saved-is there any room in heaven for the unbelieving Catholic's? You may find prophesy is a little steep for you, and of course by your own personal knowledge you believe they are theories, but sadly someone is taking the time by planting these theories on you tube channel-but don't worry, as long as it takes, I will witness the Word of God as long as you are willing to return my call.
The one-world religion described in {Revelation 17:1–18} as “the great harlot” will be part of the end-times scenario.
Uben your state of mind may believe these are theories, and of course you are not keen to recognise end time prophesy, but seriously, it's a good time to be a watchmen, taking notes, listening and sharing to our fellow believers, learning, He who has ears, let him hear, what the Spirit say's to the Churches.
Do you know the term harlot is used throughout the Old Testament as a metaphor for false religion. The actual identity and makeup of the religion has been debated for centuries and has resulted in a number of different views among Bible commentators and theologians.
There are convincing arguments for the one world religion being Catholicism, Islam, the New Age movement, or some other religion coming into power, without having some sort of a discernment, flicking through the internet, could bring possibilities or some sort of a theory, but this isn't always the case, a good discernment lining it up with the Word of God, does make a difference!
But there is no doubt that some sort of a one-world religion under the false prophet will be a part of the end times, again perhaps made up of a number of different religions, sects, the universal Church trying to reunite with other religions, should fill in the gaps quite well.
Uben I believe I am asking to much from you, but if you were to read {Revelation 17:1–18} it gives us several characteristics of the one-world religion.
The false religion will dominate all the “peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” of the earth, meaning that it will have universal authority, no doubt given by the Antichrist, who rules the world at that time.
{Revelation 13:16–17} the blast from the past-the Catholic Church all over again, can we imagine those who oppose the worldwide religion will be killed, and those who refuse to worship the Antichrist by accepting his mark will be unable to buy and sell, thereby making survival very difficult. I am sure we already know the worst is still to come..

as usual you are quick to criticise and slow to learn.


the speaker in that video is NOT A CATHOLIC PRIEST, that is an Anglican belonging to the charismatic movemrntin an Evangelical event

Phut:
Most of the time, there is a thin veneer covering up people’s true and deep down feelings. This is because most people attempt to be politically correct at all times. However, during an episode of “5 minutes madness” is when you see a person character from way deep down in their being.
Some overly religious people will never see this too. Because in their eyes, a man of the cloth can never do wrong.

if I thought he could never do wrong I wouldn't have clearly said his actions were wrong, my point is that nothing here points to racism, if you climb the altar in a Catholic Church and topple the chalice the response will be unpleasant, this guy simply went too far with his response as another person said human nature is flawed

• The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter"
as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the [b]official sanction of the empire

this is untrue, the code of Theodosius actually defined what it means to be Catholic as believing in the Trinity as held in Rome Alexandria, Constantinople, Egypt, caesaria etc. this is what the code says.

It is our will that all the
peoples whom the
government of our
clemency rules shall follow
that religion which a pious
belief from Peter to the
present declares the holy
Peter delivered to the
Romans, and which it is
evident the pontiff
Damasus and Peter,
bishop of Alexandria, a
man of apostolic sanctity,
follow; that is, that
according to the apostolic
discipline and evangelical
doctrine we believe in the
deity of the Father and the
Son and the Holy Ghost of
equal majesty, in a holy
trinity. Those who follow
this law we command shall
be comprised under the
name of Catholic
Christians;


We command that all
churches be forthwith
delivered up to the
bishops who confess the
Father, the Son, and the
Holy Ghost to be of one
majesty and power; of the
same glory and of one
splendor, making no
distinction by any profane
division, but rather
harmony by the assertion
of the trinity of the
persons and the unity of
the Godhead, to the
bishops who are
associated in communion
with Nectarius, bishop of
the Church of
Constantinople, and with
Timotheus in Egypt,
bishop of the city of
Alexandria; in the parts of
the Orient, who are in
communion with Pelagius,
bishop of Laodicaea and
Diodorus, bishop of
Tarsus; in proconsular Asia
and in the diocese of Asia,
who are in communion
with Amphilochius, bishop
of Iconium, and Optimus,
bishop of Antioch; in the
diocese of Pontus, who
are in communion with
Helladius, bishop of
Caesarea, and Otreius,
bishop of Melitina, and
Gregory, bishop of Nyssa,
Terennius, bishop of
Scythia, Marmarius, bishop
of Marcianopolis. Those
who are of the communion
and fellowship of approved
priests ought to be
admitted to possess the
Catholic churches;



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the first canon[/b] (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
• The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors

actually the Church accepted 73 books in the Bible not 66.

the western empire alone fell, the roman empire was moved to Constantinople and continued till the crusaders and Islam and during that time the roman Church suffered invasion not rise.

• the tragic compromise of believers with the [b]introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire

what pagan religion was introduced? making claims don't make it true... funny enough Church and state were never fully merged in Rome

Preemptively, I provided the above bullet points, highlighting the gradual development of RCC.
Notice from the bullet points that, its Ignatius who first used the "ekklesia katholicos" phrase
(i.e. "ekklesia katholicos" means "the universal called out'')
and its Emperor Theodosius, on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code, who defined the term "Roman Catholic" .

Ignatius actually used that term to differentiate between those who gathered in communion with the bishops and those who don't.

MuttleyLaff:
• Adam & Eve in Eden, fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41
• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine

what shady deals is that?

• The [b]regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church

please provide the document used in creating the Church and tell us who did
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Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign
• The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors

you mind telling us how the emperors created the papacy
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Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
(e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council
• the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it.
• The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred
• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John
• the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine

Augustine is considered father of the Church by all ancient Church both Catholic and Orthodox calling him Roman Catholic is father is just insulting

IbnAbdullah1:
PMB is a born Nigerian by geographical location and by birth.
Whatever anyone says is totally irrelevant.
When the Cardinal was probably trying to get into seminary school Buhari fought and defended the territory of Nigeria from external invaders,but our dear Cardinal was too forgetful to remember this.

One thing I have noticed is that christians cry wolf anytime a muslim is in position of importance but when OBJ and GEJ were there when some of thee crisis were prevalent we never heard these same "men of God "asking the same questions they are asking now.

However,these christian leaders though I feel their concern and anguish,but I feel some of them have become too political that they can't see anything beyond the President's ethnicity and religion same goes for almost all the christians on nairaland.

I know one day the truth will come out and all these liars pretending to speak on behalf of God will be exposed.

actually okogie was military chaplain during the war, he wasn't in secondary school.

ifyalways:
That moment of madness. Looking at his profile, one would have expected better from him. Its fine to get mad, yell out expletives, call the cops but not having a change of heart, regaining his sanity immediately afterwards regardless of the level of provocation is the what i find is this a case of long bottled up emotion/hate or still just a moment of madness?

May his God help him, im not sure the fsmily of the deceased will get over this.

usually when people go mad they don't regain their sanity immediately, by the time he would have realised his actions the family would be already out of the Church and on their way to another place where another Catholic priest had already been called to officiate the burial rites.

Phut:
The priest was racist, short and simple. The “stress” as mentioned by his defender (ubenedictus) brought out the latent racism in him. Which kind dirty stress will make him refer to the deceased (a life long member of the Church’) as a “thing” and throw the corpse and family out without performing the last rites??

Do you know what the last rites mean to the family? It is her final transition into the next life (hopefully heaven) and the priest of all people, the supposed spiritual counselor profaned the whole event He threw them out and called the cops? He is a CALLOUS LOW DOWN RACIST!!! who has no respect for the dead.

Suspension is definitely not enough, he should be fired. And yes, he should shove his half assed apology.

latent racism ke,

the man who was with the grieving family the previous week, planned the burial, helped defray cost and has served as priest for over 25 years without incident is now a racist because he lost his head for a few minutes.

abeg nor find another talk,

his actions was wrong tragic and totally inappropriate but it has nothing to do with race, I don't understand why anytime a white man misbehaves it suddenly becomes race. I have seen black priest who refuse to celebrate wedding mass because of small issues...it has nothing to do with race, if he were racist he wouldn't have been with the family the week before consoling them nor would he have helped in planing the burial.


you can call him whatever you like his actions were wrong but I wouldn't call man who has ministered for over 25 years a racist because he was stupid once.


lastly, since you want him fired, erasing a man's accomplishments of years over one mistake, then maybe you can also report him to the police get him arrested and prosecuted and jailed so you'll have peace.

pro buruku

his apology

I am a Catholic priest and the pastor at St. Mary’s
Catholic Church, Newport in Charlotte Hall, and as
reported elsewhere in this newspaper and on its
website, I lost my temper at a moment when anger was
the most inappropriate response to those people
entrusted to my care at that moment of ministry.
Before the start of a funeral Mass on Wednesday, June
27, one of the guests in the church damaged a sacred
chalice used for the Mass. The sight of that accident
made my frustration boil over. My anger spilled out in a
torrent. I uttered words I never use, and treated people
I have lived with and committed my life to serve in an
unacceptable manner. Instead of care and compassion
for the grieving family and friends, my focus turned to
anger.
The man who canceled this family’s funeral and
dispatched them in anger, is not the man who hours
before worked to minister to their needs in a time of
grief. Instead of lifting them up, I let them down. For
the anger and embarrassment I caused to that family, I
am profoundly sorry.
My vocation as a Catholic priest is not merely a job or a
career. My calling to Catholic priesthood is but the
summit of a life lived in service to those in need, who
feel lost or are abandoned, those who are vulnerable.
For more than 25 years, I have lived to offer my hand
to countless men, women and children who could not
speak for themselves. I have sought to serve as an
advocate, a voice on behalf of others. I remain a
person whose deep desire to serve others is firmly
rooted in my heartfelt desire to serve our Lord.
Some might dismiss these words, given the tenor of
the words I uttered before the funeral that was to take
place on Wednesday. That is a just part of the
consequence I will bear for my behavior. Like all human
beings, I, too, am broken in nature, make mistakes
and, yes, I fail. My life has been, is now, and
prayerfully will always be, a life in which my daily words
and deeds exemplify the Gospel message. My most
recent actions do not reflect who I am as a priest. I
have spent much of my life working to lessen the
challenges and ease the burden of people whose lives
are heavy with struggles. I understand that my recent
actions have now added a burden to their lives — a sad
consequence that I must confront and for which I take
responsibility.
My recent actions and words were not borne of
kindness, but a failure of my vow to serve the Lord and
those entrusted to my care as a person and as priest. I
am profoundly sorry for my words and actions. I pray
for all in this community every day, and I can only ask
that you pray for me, but also for other priests and
ministers, and all who seek to serve those who suffer
and struggle as we strive to build up the kingdom of
God.
http://www.somdnews.com/enterprise/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/priest-says-anger-was-the-most-inappropriate-response-to-funeral/article_f64144bd-32a6-5acc-a251-b5c1119aeb7e.html

[quote author= post=69055384]RACISM @ it's PEAK![/quote]not racism just a stressed out priest, this same guy was with the family the week before, helped planned the burial and according to the family helped them in bringing down the cost. before he was priest he ran a place for the homeless where in took care of the homeless at his own cost, he w had been a pastor for years without any such complaints and I believe have buried other black people.

on this day he came for funeral mass and found someone has climbed the altar and toppled down the chalice he prepared for the mass...I don't know the day he was having but that day he lost it, we only know what he did we don't know the different event that contributed to the rash reaction.

he has apologized for his behavior and is now on suspension


"Some might dismiss these words, given the
tenor of the words I uttered before the funeral
that was to take place on Wednesday. That is a
just part of the consequence I will bear for my
behaviour. Like all human beings, I, too, am
broken in nature, make mistakes and, yes, I fail,"
he wrote. "My recent actions and words were not
borne of kindness, but a failure of my vow to
serve the Lord and those entrusted to my care as
a person and as priest. I am profoundly sorry for
my words and actions. I pray for all in this
community every day, and I can only ask that
you pray for me, but also for other priests and
ministers, and all who seek to serve those who
suffer and struggle as we strive to build up the
kingdom of God."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/priest-black-family-funeral-video-white-maryland-catholic-wake-michael-briese-a8431101.html

I wonder how someone managed to get to the altar and topple the chalice

MuttleyLaff:
I wish you same too

Syncan, as I earlier mentioned, I dont want and never set to fall out with you.

I dont have the time too, but I when necessary, just free time to post.

Responding to posts section by section, remark by remark, statement by statement is an acquired skill
How else to counter?

Canon of scripture is not the same thing as canonisation of saints
Canon of scripture is a collection or list of sacred books accepted as genuine and are distinct from falsely attributed works

Why the canonisation of saints then?
Is it an exercise done or necessary to recognise the gennine from the false?
If its accepted and agreed that, they are already saints in heaven, why then, is it necessary to declare them saints?

actually in the early Church the canon simply meant the standard accepted in Church liturgy, so if you are looking for where the Church canonized scriptures you'll simply find the documents where the Church says so and so books are to be read in the liturgy, in the Russian Orthodox Church the book of revelation is not canonical, it doesn't mean it isn't inspired, it means it is not read during liturgy.

when a saint is canonised it means the Church has a day or days in the liturgy where she remembers the persons faith and considers the outcome of their life just as some days ago was the canon for the apostle st Thomas.
persons of exceptional and heroic faith are considered daily and all saints whether in the canon or not are remembered in November....

so this is correct

Those members of the church you talk about; are
not saints in heaven because the were Canonized,
no, they were Canonized because they are saints in
heaven.
The books of the bible did not become inspired
because they were Canonized,
no, they were Canonized because they are Inspired .

asalimpo:
The bible says that you judge a truth in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
it also says, to study to rightly divide the word,
it says to judge precept upon precept.
I made my case using other bible verses to show that Jesus is the one who CLEANSES and forgives.
You and the catholic church built their doctrine on just one verse!!
Please rightly divide.

When people argue on religion, they first try to be civil and use the bible until the bible contradicts them-then they throw civility to the wind and stick with their own biases.
Let me help you with some more verses concerning sin and forgiveness.
As usual, you can throw them out and hold to your biase (false beliefs or change your mind).
1) Every believer (born-again) is both a KING and a PRIEST before God
1 peter 2 v 9 ; Romans 5 v 17. 1 timothy 6 v 15.

as such they can come before God in that role.
But all these Kings and Priests are under another Priest (Jesus, our great High priest)
and King (Jesus, the King of Kings).
Going thru another human agency is a false satanic doctrine. It's unscriptural.

since it seems you are ignorant of Catholic faith allow me to inform you.

we believe that all who are Christians are both priest, King and prophet, as a son of a King I am heir to the kingdom and coheir with Christ.
as a priest I offer up prayers and intercession for myself, other Christian and the entire world.
as prophet, I am called to bear witness to God's truth.

these offices that I participate in are exercised in communion, that means I exercise it with others in a community called the Church, so even though I can pray for myself, I also ask prayers from others...ie approaching God in the company of others and that is also biblically correct

2) If the christian sins, he can approach God , thru His High Priest, Jesus and Advocate
for cleansing.
1John2v1: My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.

Jesus is both our Advocate (he represents us before God) and our High Priest.

3) We are to confess our sins to God and on doing so receive cleansing from Him,through Jesus Christ.
Not through a man.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

yes Jesus is the advocate and high priest of the new covenant and he sometimes minister to us through others, he teaches through ordained ministers ad he said " he who hears you hears me" so too he minister forgiveness through ministers according to John 20 and James 5

The new covenant never gives any man power over any man who is a christian to deny him cleansing.

according to John 20:23 this is a big fat lie

In the light of the NT, catholic priesthood is false.

4) Ephesians 1 v 7:
[b] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Redemption is through Jesus and forgiveness is through his blood.
No man can forgive sins.

5) if we strive to live as holy as we can we receive automatic cleansing.
1John1v7:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.


6) Under the new covenant, as a Child of God , you are encouraged to approach God directly.
Not through any human agency.
Hebrew 4 v 16:
16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Another verse showing that you are child of God.
Galatians 4 v 6:
Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."

False religions put human intermediaries between them and whatever God they allege to because all false religions seek ways to control their followers. True christianity is different.
In the new covenant all believers are children of God. Children can approach their father anytime.
1John4v4:
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

sorry you have only succeeded in creating a false dichotomy, forgiveness is through the blood of Jesus and the Bible tells us that Jesus can offer that forgiveness through the ministry of the presbyter in James 5.
we are all God's children and God himself appointed brothers from our midst to feed us, to minister to the Church unto perfection this isn't control techniques, it is the right order in the fami

OLAADEGBU:
Good works in a man's life is a bye-product of God's grace and mercy that brings salvation. You cannot attain salvation with your good works.

to that Catholics and Protestants all agree.

OLAADEGBU:
So you agree that there must be a middle man like your priests and pope for you to get in touch with God.

the Bible says, how will they believe except by a preacher... the Church is built up by Christ with facilitators to help in communication with God, not obstacles.

OLAADEGBU:
Good question.

Check this link for answers.--> https://born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

still doesn't answer the question, the Catholic Church teaches all those basic points, if that is all that is needed why the Protestant revolution?

brocab:
YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT ONE, TRY THIS ONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RezSSQnuW0o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOv3dyH4qmw
This hall of fame, was supposedly taken over by the Catholic's 2000 years ago, and the statue of saint Peter's foot was kissed off by the Catholic's, of course the Catholic's believe this isn't a act of worship-nor do they agree it's bowing down before other god's.
If this has nothing to do with the Vatican then the Catholic's should pull it down-it's a mockery against the one true God!
It won't matter how much evidence is laid before you, the blind don't see, what the blind don't know!
Doors are opening in all directions, we can either walk around with our eye's closed or we can realise there's camera's everywhere watching our every move, and these video's are focused on the Church, especially around Christians!
No one likes what they hear or see, but as Christians, we are now in a good place to keep our eye's open to retrieve conformation about anything we see-hear, God had given us all concernment..
And history talks about the Catholic Church like there's no tomorrow, It doesn't matter which way I turn, the truth of the matter is, the Church is copping the weight!
Uben every time you return my page-just like the rest of your comrades, don't you understand-these are the day's we need to be more focus on Christ, these are end day's, these events are coming to past!
There's so much evidence to point us quickly in the right direction, video's of everything had flooded the net, it doesn't matter where we turn, how many day's are in a year-what news paper we read, or Television we switch on, somewhere, someone is talking about the Church.
The world can't function without camera's! The blind can't see, what the blind don't know, the truth comes before the fall.
What is the Universal Church? "Religions bowing down before the Church from all denominations standing together in one accord-Universal means Pope Francis getting down on his knee's bowing down before Allah and the Hindi god's, he declares all religions are True!

you and your conspiracy theories, that is a nativity scene, it isn't pagan. just like your idea of one world religion is another conspiracy theory.

Syncan:
MuttleyLaff, I haven't been posting on Nairaland for a long time because I really do not have the time. You called me out on this,I simply came to clarify things. I find it unappealing reading responses to broken down posts of mine, as I do acknowledge that I am handicap in that respect in which I have noticed that you're quite skillful in. Having read through your post, I find nothing that interests me to respond to, so I will gladly pass with these words... Those members of the church you talk about; are not saints in heaven because the were Canonized, no, they were Canonized because they are saints in heaven. The books of the bible did not become inspired because they were Canonized,no, they were Canonized because they are Inspired.

Do have a splendid day.

Amen

brocab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOv3dyH4qmw
If there's no paganism, then this video doesn't exist along with the many other million copies that is shown around the world?

the video is talking about an ancient shrine called the pantheon in Rome built by the emperors for all the gods.

when the Christian Church converted Rome, the pagans gave up their shrines and the Church removed all the worthless idols from the place, cleaned up the place and dedicated it to the only God in remembrance of all who lived for Jesus Christ.

there is nothing wrong with that, some people just like to paint good things as evil

brocab:
I didn't know the subject was just about faith? You didn't inform me faith was your main topic, you wrote something other then faith and I answered 57 and 181 on your request, the problem is Uben you try to lay the guilt upon others, because the truth of the matter is you can't come back with answers, plus Uben where is your faith, when you show no faith!
How does one claim to have faith in God who lives, and yet show more faith to a Mother that once lived?

Faith is the Word of God, the problem is Uben, you are so caught up with tradition, it gets in your way to acknowledge what faith is, "You don't answer topic's because you can't, even if you had tried, you can't, because you have not received the Spirit of God.
{Romans 10:17} So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Meaning faith is not scattered in different directions about different beliefs.

And the Holy Spirit was given to the body of believers-whom formed into a Church structure, that is the bride of Christ, Jesus is not planning to marry His Mother out from the Catholic Church.
The Church structure is made of believers, who have chosen to stand together in one accord! "This is the Church, Christ speaks about.
Do the Catholic's all stand together in one accord, "No" they are universal-the Pope bows down before Allah, before the Hindi god, a Church claiming to be universal can never stand as one Church-bowing down before other god's will open doors into the spirit realm, Pope Francis bowed down before Allah and the Hindi god, wrong doors opens up wrong Spirits.
This doesn't sound like a Church standing fern in one accord, do you realise there is more to just believing in Christ-as we can see the Pope believes in something, and of course he was baptised at birth like everybody else that became Catholic's, Roman Catholic's, Baptist, etc, but the truth is, not everybody are saved in Christ, because of some decision made by the parents at birth!
And by the looks of this, the Pope isn't saved, and of course parents who have never been taught the truth, do make wrong choices..
The truth of the matter is, God seeks who He calls, and then it's up to us to make our decision, not everybody chooses to make the right decision to follow just Christ-you believe in tradition like the Pope does, he bows before other god's-he prays through "To" other god's, you bow and pray to Mary and the saints!
But don't forget God watches everything we do, and the Word say's, many are called but few are chosen!
{Luke 4:18} "The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor.
Not everybody that calls themselves Christian preach the good news about Christ, not everyone is anointed to preach the Gospel, because not everyone believes the Gospel! To preach the truth and receive the Spirit of God, one must be born again!

you were the one who set the topic by quoting the Catholic catechism on faith, now suddenly you are ignorant of what we were talking about

not just the pope and I who believe in apostolic tradition, even the apostle Paul and the Bible tells us to believe in apostolic tradition.

2 thess 2:15

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the
traditions that you were taught by us, either by our
spoken word or by our letter.

brocab:
I have asked, and they all said the same, ask the Catholic's why they didn't feed the sheep! Ask the Catholic's why they aren't feeding the sheep now?

the Church fed the sheep but there came false prophets, wolves in sheep clothing just as the Bible prophesied, they led the people astray while some shepherds were sleeping

brocab:
Rightly you had answered my question>criminals are people who commit crime(s) we just need to turn the page, and look at the many Churches today, involved in Child molestation, and yet the Church keeps it all under a hat-hoping no-one will recognise it's happening.
These are the crimes that needs to be reported to the state-not some head who believes he is God on earth.
Next the Pope steps up to "apologize" for killing hundreds of millions of Christians so as to further uplift his public relations image.

WHEN UNITY IS EVIL – ONE WORLD RELIGION BEING USHERED IN BY POPE FRANCIS Published on June 24, 2016...
Lets read what it say's, back then, and how the world see's it's fruit.
"We have a one world court system start up in 1999.
Wolves in sheep clothing are returning back to the Catholic Church "Billy Graham, Robert Schuller and the Pope himself declaring Jesus not needed for salvation so as to lower the defenses of all the non-Christian religions who want to join to better fill the ecumenical pews.
Then to further convince the non-Christian religions that the Pope is serious about joining, they start a Bible hate speech campaign that flourishes to this day.
Next the Pope steps up to "apologize" for killing hundreds of millions of Christians so as to further uplift his public relations image.
Then a one world church starts up in mid-2000 followed in Autumn by a one world government foundation being set. Not long after that we see the 501c3 that not only creates an image to the Vatican structure by joining all states and churches together as one, it allows the pastors of those churches to be considered official government agents with the ability to lobby law.
Next we see the Pope and all the churches (including the SDA church) declaring Allah is God so as to make the Muslims feel as if they too are brethren in Rome one world church, and then to further push the envelope of inclusiveness, not only do they legalize homosexual marriage they sanction it in all the churches, (including the SDA church) so as to have the pews filled to capacity.
Then we see the Pope prays to many false gods and embraces them on camera with their worshippers as if we are all one in agreement on how to worship the God of the Bible? Uben choosing to hide from the truth won't support you, the news is everywhere about Pope Francis bowing down to all god's in all religions around the world. "And don't forget what the Pope does, Uben, you do say Amen?

you still can't provide a single quote for the Pope where he advocate for one world religion?

is it not time to drop these silly conspiracy theories?

asalimpo:
I'm not arguing that the christians doesnt need helpers.
The bible says that we should not forsake the fellowshing together. (Heb 10 v 25)
Jesus , is the head of the church he gave gifts to men:

Ephesians 4 v 11-13:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

He gave people in the body posts and offices, for the purpose of nurturing the converts(shepherds/pastors)
, teaching, etc.
For the perfecting of the saints.
But not for intermediating as the door or access to God.
Under the new covenant, the Children go directly to father or Jesus for prayers forgiveness of sins etc.
This doesnt usurp the role of the people Jesus put in his church to PERFECT the saints.

exactly, that is the work of ministers, they are not obstacles to God, they are helpers and facilitators exercising the ministry they have been given for the perfecting of the saints.

we go to the father directly, we also use the ministries God has given to the Church, to play and anoint for healing, to proclaim forgiveness for a sinner and even retain sins according to jn 20 etc.

brocab:
And the bottom line is asked, who are the Criminals? And who were the Criminals back in the day's when it was the Catholic Church burning Christians to the stake..Who are the Criminals who are calling for a One World Religion..

criminals are people who commit crime(s), the Church didn't burn Christians, the state condemned unrepentant heretics who were bent on spreading their errors, heresy was a capital crime.

I don't know anyone who calls for a one world religion.

brocab:
Uben, how does a infant know how to believe and how not to believe?
{Mark 16:16} Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

a household may be baptised based on the faith of its head, the prisoner in acts and the several households baptised are examples

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to teach us all things! Through pastors, evangelist, teachers, priest, Popes, anybody-everyone should be tested by our words we speak about God, about Mary, everything concerning the Word of God.[/color]
{1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 John 4:1} Test everything! "Because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
{John 14:25-26} All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
{1 John 2:27} And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
I myself believe every word the Spirit of God teaches me, I listen to pastors, priests, but I also test the Words they speak, and if it doesn't line up with the Word of God, then what they preach is flesh.

Amen, the HOLY spirit was sent to the Church to lead her to the truth and he still continue to teach through the Church today.

{Colossians 1:24} For the sake of the body which is the Church.
{Colossians 1:18} And he is the head of the body, the church:
{Ephesians 3:6} That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
{Ephesians 5:23} For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
I suppose this is the question we need to ask ourselves, {1 Timothy 2:5} who is the “one mediator between God and humankind?
How long will it take before you read the bible, these pointless arguments had been going on for centuries, Christians don't pray to any other, but Jesus alone, we don't pray "to" Mary nor the saints, they have already passed, Christians pray "to" the living Father Jesus. The scriptures tells us He is the Head we are the body, the Church, "this isn't a trick question, this is the truth!

why do you find it hard to stick on topic, the issue is about faith, when you want to discuss the Communion of saint or the Church or intercession quote the relevant part of the catechism and then critique it.