I am a Christian, and attend a Pentecostal Church. Churches, just like Christianity, is open to individual definition on how they see it and it has no one clear definition. so your question on why people consider the Catholic something else, will get you a lot of different answers, even if majority will be shrouded in ambiguity.
The Catholic Church did not start getting heat today from people. It started from the time the Church deviated from the Bible, and became a POLITICAL PARTY in the 14th and 15th Century.
The Catholic Church became too powerful.
There was a time in Europe, the Catholic Church had their hands in the choosing of Monarchs, and was heavily into financial racketeering. And it is on record that most Pope from that Era were Closet/Open Gays, who liked little boys, and that problem still persists with the amount the Catholic Church around the World keep paying money yearly to little boys molested by Catholic Priests.
And that is why Martin Luther King lead the revolt, that nearly saw the collapse of the Catholic. God bless him.
As an individual, my problem with the Catholic has to do with the way they worship, as it is almost idolatry. Why can't i as a Christian pray to God directly?why do i need one statue, picture or something to intercede for me?why do i need to be calling the name of this Saint or that Saint to intercede on my behalf?
Why do i need to confess my sins in a Booth to another man(Reverend Father) when i can talk to God directly?is the Reverend Father now a gate keeper to God or Heaven?
But all these pale in comparison to one SIN i will never forgive the Catholic for. And that SIN is to make ABLE MEN within WORKING PRIVATE PARTS not be able to MALE LOVE, or have babies just because they want to be Catholic Priests. Who made that DAMN LAW? God put a D--K on a man's body for a reason, but the Catholic, who in some way are claiming GOD are forcing MEN not to use it, because they want to serve God.
God, when he created MAN in the Garden of EDEN noticed after some days he had KONGI. And so he created EVE to be his helper,both in that Department(KONGI) and other Departments. So why is the Catholic Church reversing God's law?
hope you know this isn't true... martin Luther wahala was about salvation and indulgence... there is scandal in the church for all ages, even the apostles had a Judas.
dingbang: I decided to hit the nail right through its head and call out all pentecostals (Followers of Martin Luther) in Nairaland to tell the whole world why they think the Catholic Church is not a Bible Believing Church.
On what basis will a Church be termed "Non bible Believing"?
Let's have your Opinions ..
Cc: Seun Mynd44, Dominique, Lalasticlala
what would you expect from people called Protestant? their job is to to protest.
erico2k2: What has that got to do with this?we talking personal safety. They should have transferred him to somewhere else.it was insensitive on their part to leave him there.
priest facing ISIS are there in Syria and you are complaining about a kidnapped priest... he knew this that he would be sent to preach in the most uncomfortable of places... now be runs from his post...
daveP: Fallacy. so it now affects the contents ba? it was gathered by roman emperors and that made them have authority. wake up from this slumber and empty pride that saves no one.
not Roman emperor but Catholic Christians.
You think an unbiblical church will give you a good new testament?
erico2k2: Did you read the part where he was expected to resume at same office and area he was adopted from?do you expect him to feel safe? I think it was insensitive on teh part of union.
there are priest in Syria, he should thank God.
I'll pray for him that God leads him wherever he goes
macof: But no Eleko ever made major decisions. His duty was solely defensive, to protect Aworiland with his Bini military. The Idejo had been the only decision making body before colonization
nah, the idejo was the only decision making body before the benins
KingSango: Isn't the Nigerian government all the same bloodlines of ethnic groups that have occupied the Niger river area for time immemorial or they some alien race?
Rome is in Italy. Rome is named after the Roman empire. Rome is the bloodline of the Roman Empire.
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you could either post you points or we can start checking who has the best quotes
Themandator: The adulterous woman was chased to where Jesus Christ was and he said...any one who has not committed sin let him be the first to throw stone.... The woman was not sick ... she committed sin and was caught ...she did not go to confession but was caught ...... This ties with when he see your brother commiting sin ...you need to see it spiritually like Jesus always saw it in the sprit realm and forgave ... He didn't need the help of the sinner
Carry go you Don win
oh you are happy with forgiving sins of people who are caught or are sick but you are against the forgiveness of people who confess abi?
ikorodureporta: I need an explanation to why the numbers 13 & 33 reflects on some churches' events, activities & nomenclature. In the catholic church, events usually hold on the 13th, or on a date that adds up to 13 or 33. Eg may 8, oct 3, etc. When you do the arithmetic, the number 13 or 33 is always coded there. Their harvests, weddings, funerals, baptism, other events, even publications carry that secret code. Eg,Mary was celebrated on the 13th of this month.Its not only in catholic churches....i'v observed a few others......
1. CHRIST EMBASSY = 13
2. WINNERS CHAPEL= 13
3. ROCK CATHEDRAL = 13
4. THE EXPERIENCE = 13
5. THRONE OF GRACE (rccg) = 13
6. ONE LOVE FAMILY (gurumaharaji) = 13., The first letters, O=15, L=12, F=6, also adds up to 33...
I'v seen many others which i cannot recall now.
What do you think is the secret behind it??
Seun, Lalasticlala, olaadegbu, kingebukasblog, omooba77, ubenedictus, come & explain!
I saw your mention.
I'm not an expert in numerology.
but the Catholic Church totally rejects the attachment of mystical meanings to number as is done in divination... there are numbers that occur frequently in scripture but 13 isn't one of them.
events fall anywhere in the Catholic calendar, it has nothing to do with 13 and 33
Newman wrote that book before becoming a Catholic and actuaugaveit to the church to edit to suit their doctrines and practices but they could not but rather told him that he wrote it as a non Catholic.
That book traced the history of the pagan root of most of your practices.... Not just confession including Christmas and even the changing of the worship days to Sundays but as far you be father carry go ...make I keep my sword ...you win.... Confession na the real thing
oya give the name of the book and the quote he made on confession verbertim.
johnw74: the matter of subject is "the rcc saying works along with faith is needed for salvation"
and of course yet again you twist and lie trying to change the subject to:
"that it is God who does the good works in a saved Christian" which even rc believe
you couldn't answer the first so you changed it to something else. you uben are such liar and deceiver, of course
sometimes it is funny when people lie against the Catholic Church.
no one gets justified by faith AND WORKS that is a heresy to Say such, works come after you have been justified aka saved... works is what God does in us after we have been justified aka saved as part of our sanctification, and he reward this works by giving us even more grace.
in case you are confused, this is what the Catholic Church teaches
We confess together that sinners are justified by faith in the saving action of God in Christ. By the action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis for the whole Christian life. They place their trust in God's gracious promise by justifying faith, which includes hope in God and love for him. Such a faith is active in love and thus the Christian cannot and should not remain without works. But whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it. 31.We confess together that persons are justified by faith in the gospel "apart from works prescribed by the law" (Rom 3:28). Christ has fulfilled the law and by his death and resurrection has overcome it as a way to salvation. We also confess that God's commandments retain their validity for the justified and that Christ has by his teaching and example expressed God's will which is a standard for the conduct of the justified also.
johnw74: uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:
THE POPE
The Pope is called "Our Holy Father". See encyclical letter of Pope Leo XIII in the Douay Version of the Bible. He is also called "Our Most Holy Lord", Pope Pius X. See Cardinals Oath. Moreri, a famous historian said, "To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God and God is the Pope". Decius said, "The Pope can do all things God can do". Pope Leo XIII said of himself, "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God himself." Pope Pius X said, "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ himself hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks." Pope Pius XI once declared, "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." All this is blasphemy! Isaias 44:8 Is there a God besides me? Matthew 23:9 Call no one on earthyour father. Ephesians 4:5 One Lord. Philippians 2:11 Jesus Christ is inthe glory of God the Father. I Peter 5:3 Nor yet as lording it over your charges. I Peter 5:1-4 I, your fellow-presbyter.
Peter called himself a presbyter (pastor), not a pope. He refused honor (Acts 10:25,26) saying "Stand up for I myself also am a man". The apostles argued regarding who was greatest in the kingdom (Matthew 18:1) which indicates that even they did not accept Peter as head of the Church. The wealth and power of the Roman Popes could have come to Peter or any of the apostles. They had charisma, they could heal and raise the dead and perform many other miracles. They could have accumulated gold and land and conquering armies, but they gave away all that was placed at their feet (Acts 4:37, 3:6). They rejoiced that they were counted worthy to suffer for the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 5:41). How could anyone be so naive as to think that the papacy evolved out of such humility and simplicity. The office of Pope is of pagan origin and cannot in any way be substantiated in Scripture. Because of the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit, such an office is not necessary or even desirable.
@bold, rc's would believe anything their church told them
the papacy did evolve from such simplicity,
yes the pope is a presbyter, his official title is "servant of God's servants, yes about 30 popes were martyred for their faith in Christ many more were beaten, flogged and molested.
and peter was leader of the early church as his successor the pope is Today.
johnw74: no i don't believe i will i expose rc's lies i don't waste to much time helping them, that's shown to be a waste of time i post what i want to, not what satans disciples tell me to
hehehe
you are happy to call people liars but when given the opportunity teach what you claim to be true you quickly run away cos you can't just do your usual copy and paste.
johnw74: ha ha you haven't a clue about understanding God's word, and of course you cannot:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn bread into the flesh of Christ truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn wine into the blood of Jesus
satan of course would like to deceive you, and he does big time
eya
so your church can't even discern the body of Christ
eya
1 cor 11:29
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Luke. 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God simply because you adopted traditions of men made up by John Calvin in the 16 th century
see what God says about people like you mat 15:8
… 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”
DMerciful: I do not understand why the old Benin kings never saw the strategic location of Lagos to have harnessed it when they conquered the war camp and called it Eko. Look at the Fulani, they conquered Ilorin and occupied it till date but the Benin kings left Eko that has more potentials than Benin....they weren't ambitious I guess. The Europeans chased the Indians and native Americans out of US and occupied it till date!
Benin war tactics was to make vassals out of new territory not to occupy them. usually the local chiefs remains and a Bini prince is made their head, the local Chief owns the lands and pays homage but the Bini Prince make the major decisions.
the hausas on the other hand impose their religion and fully occupy conquered territories.
codemaniacs: there was no oba of Lagos in the past... Lagos like other Yoruba cities was a farm which was protected by Armed farmers which is why it was called Oko but the Binis corrupted it to Eko (because of the Armed farmers)...
Bini Kings never had a say in the Yoruba nation because Binis had their own nation and only traded with the Yorubas..
Benin was actually in charge of many Yoruba communities from ondo to Lagos...
I do not see what is more anachronistic than lifting the use/context of Lagos of pre-1970s for present day discourse.
Outside being able to write English averagely, you are not so educated.
And I’m from Ile-Ife and very proud of my backgrounds. It is the duty of every Yoruba son and daughter to protect every inch of Yoruba soil, hence I can talk about Lagos which is mostly Awori & Ijebu lands, both groups are very Yoruba
yeah yeah, and the aworis had a Bini king. why are you angry about that?
“Every prophet sent to you is ordained a father. Elisha shouted: ‘My father! My father!‘ He was the son of Sherphat. Elijah was not his biological father, but he was a prophet sent to him…Every prophet sent to you is sent as a father, not as brother, not as an uncle, not as a friend. I have enjoyed this kind of covering all my life.”
lol
it is OK for Protestant to talk about their pastor as father but the same Protestants will scream when Catholics say same .
Nodogragra4me: Praise is a reward for doing something.... if I praise him, it is not out of order ....2 universities running at optimum without any pressure on anyone to give....no launching ...no special collection ......Another under construction in Calabar and Abuja
as I said I don't have time for praising your pastor who receive money from all outlets
KingSango: The Chinese model fits their circumstances not Nigeria's. Communism and Capitalism are brothers they both replaced the Monarchy system that once ruled over both Russia and China. This is because all Monarchy have their own religious systems whereby the Paramount King/Emperor is considered a divine ruler. The issue is that the Roman Catholic Church, which is the Roman Empire never fell, instead it morphed into the Papal State of Rome and a city state like Babylon controlling the world. The Russian monarchy and the Chinese had to be eliminated because they would not allow the Catholic Priests and Jesus society to run the country. The Russians embraced Catholic faith but created their own authority. The Chinese just totally persecuted all Christians and thus many Chinese formed underground churches, which are quite famous.
How you Africans are not resurrecting your ancient economic trade systems? How come you are not promoting and preserving your own system of government, which is monarchy? You complain all the time about the Nigerian government but do absolutely nothing to promote the local traditional government. In fact, you go upon rampages tearing down the ancient statues of royal kings and queens that have been defied by your ancestors, because you are possessed by Christianity and Islam. You tear down the very symbols that would unite furor and passion in your ethnic groups land and bring tourist dollars to see this world's most ancient sites. No where in the world can you go and see, Indians, Chinese, Hispanics, tearing down their nation's ancient cultural heritage the way its done in Africa. But also no where on this Earth did any people partake in the enslavement of their own people the way Africans did.
The ancient economic system of Africa was superior to all both Communism and Capitalism because it fit the environment. If something doesn't fit then why force it? Nigeria sits upon the equator, is rich with sunlight, vegetation, animals, fish, rivers and streams, and unlimited natural resources, even if not in the border can be found in the neighboring African countries. Yet your import is higher than your exports. You import clothing and there's plenty of land to grow cotton and silk. You import because you don't have people organized into factories and manufacturing, and production to get these things done yourselves. You don't crowd fund to come up with the money. Instead you mass together and protest, tear down your nations and change over leaders constantly for no good reason. Its insane. What you would be doing is crowdfunding with these large political parties instead of fighting each other over who gets elected. Then use the money to fund your local traditional and real government, the same government models that are the world's oldest and produced the world's greatest civilization. But here you are hyping up Whites and Asians, all the people who don't give a damn about you. All the people who bring you ideas that are absolutely worthless and only meant to keep you enslaved. Wake up. How long will you continue to let your children suffer? At some point the Mother Goddess will turn her attention to you in anger and flood your lands and wipe you out. This will be done so that the children can have a future because the adults in the land aren't getting their heads together and coming up with solutions. Instead you are continuing to court enemy beliefs, philosophies, bringing them into the land and allowing your children to get devoured over and over and over again. When will you stop this nonsense and heed reason?
Ase, Love Sango.
conspiracy theories, the Roman empire was different from the Vatican
Nodogragra4me: And if government should tax churches the Catholic Church will be exempted because it runs autonomous branches according to you, shebi.
And for over twenty years of setting outside one day for launching and offering that I was well aware of back then they have not come up with the resources to start and complete it ... is it that the ones already mobilized got embezzled or that the members are not rich enough to make significant offerings .... mind you, there was not a single day, Winners announced any form of offering towards the universities even with all the billions you hear .... there has never been a launching for any of the two universities .... just normal offering and tithe that is even taken in your church multiple times.
Do you know that If Bishop Oyedepo should announce a special day to give towards any projects,as you have stated, the total amount needed will be realized in multiple fold and it would be without a chairman ,father of the day , mother of the day, Chief launcher..... just special offering
I am happy you recognize Winners as a financial institution..Moneyed church .....They never beg, never a launching, no bazaar, never a chief launcher, never a pillar of the church title to any mortal man but yet doing what those before her dare not contemplate.. like Bishop Oyedepo stated: money is the wheel on which the gospel shall be wheeled round the world.
I don't have time since it seems you just want to praise your pastor
ScienceWatch: You dont include the fact that the majority of ancient men would never burden themselves nor the mothers of babies with such a harmful practice. I will never throw stones. You do agree that God is truth. You Will eventually agree that truth is eternal and can not be changed to suit mankind's sinful nature. There is no time in the history of man, where a wise man will marry and have sex a 5 to 8 yrs old baby.
1) What value can a baby girl offer a grown man in marriage ?
2) Psychologists have found that emotionally/spiritually immature men crave intimate relationships with babies.
research I don't have time for long argument.
in ancient time women were married at puberty, it has nothing to do with been spiritual
my dear been a religious or a priest has nothing to do with been a knowledgeable Catholic. anyone serious about his Catholic faith can easily be informed about it, it just entail seriousness.
the wahala with Catholics is that we don't know what we have and are nonchalant about finding out.
we are like kids we are given diamonds and we decide to use them for stoning practice because we didn't know it's value
johnw74: uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:
THE TRUE CHURCH
The Roman Catholic Church claims to be God's true Church and all members are to promise obedience to the Bishop of Rome, whom she claims is successor to Saint Peter, Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ.
The Roman Catholic Church is built on the assumption that in Matthew 16:13-19 Jesus appointed Peter the first pope and so founded His Church and established the papacy. If this is true, then all true Christians must become Catholic. If it is false, the whole Catholic religion is false and cultic and no true Christians could be identified with such a system. We must, then, search the Scriptures in order to know what is true. The Scriptures are not merely the writings of men, “But holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (II Peter 1:21). “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work: (II Timothy 3:16-17). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words (the Bible) shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35). Both Scripture and history testify to the authenticity, reliability, efficiency, and sufficiency of the Bible. Though some Catholic translations are better than others, all are reliable enough for general study with Catholics.
When Jesus, in Matthew 16:18, said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" He used the demonstrative "this" (taute), pointing to Peter's confession, "Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God" as the rock. Jesus said, "Thou are Peter (petros, a stone - all believers are stones, see I Peter 2:5 and Ephesians 2:21), and upon this rock (petra, a huge rock foundation - the confession that Jesus is the Christ), I will build my church". He did not promise to build His Church upon Peter. Jesus would not have trusted such a precious possession as His Church to the leadership of even one fallible man much less a whole succession of them. The pope of Rome is called the Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarius Filii Dei). In the Bible we find that the Holy Spirit, not a pope, was sent to take the place of Jesus on earth. That is what Vicar means. The Holy Spirit was given to guide us into all truth (John 16:7-15) and the Scriptures were given for teaching, for reproving, for correction, and for instruction (II Timothy 3:16). Christ did not leave His Church to human leadership. Jesus Himself is still the Head of His Church. He speaks to us through His infallible Word, the Holy Scriptures, by His ever present and infallible Holy Spirit.
Let us remember that Christ is the Rock and only Head of the Church. I Corinthians 3:11. For other foundation no one can lay, but that which has been laid, which is Christ Jesus. I Corinthians 10:4. The rock was Christ. Ephesians 1:22,23. Head over all the Church. Ephesians 2:20. Christ Jesus... the chief corner stone.
Around thirty-four times in the Old Testament God is call a Rock or the Rock of Israel. You see, the Bible clearly teaches that when Jesus founded His Church, He was to be the only Head, the Holy Spirit the Vicar and Guide, and the Bible the only authority for faith and practice. All true Christians constitute THE TRUE CHURCH (those in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, who believe and obey Christ's teachings). True believers were called "Christians", not "Catholics". Acts 11:26 Disciples were first called Christians. Acts 26:28 Persuade me to become a Christian. I Peter 4:16 Suffer as a Christian
There were no Roman Catholics until Christianity was merged with paganism into a state religion around 315 A.D. The true Christians obeyed God's Word, they never joined in the pagan corruption. The gates of hell have never prevailed against the true believers, they are few, their way is narrow, they would rather suffer martyrdom than compromise the Word of God or deny their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. "Go out from her, my people, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues" (Apocalypse 18:4). Believers must not be identified with compromising or counterfeit Churches!
mtc dot org
[The spiritual man] shall also judge those who give rise to schisms, who are destitute of the love of God, and who look to their own special advantage rather than to the unity of the Church; and who for trifling reasons, or any kind of reason which occurs to them, cut in pieces and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and so far as in them lies, destroy it — men who prate of peace while they give rise to war, and do in truth strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel. For they can bring about no "reformation" of enough importance to compensate for the evil arising from their schism. . . . True knowledge is
that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by which they have handed down that Church which exists in every place [i.e., the Catholic Church] (ibid., 4:33:7-.
AD 189
Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy. He cannot have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1st ed. [A.D. 251 ]).
so if as you claim the Catholic church didn't exist before AD300 what church was origen talking about above?
johnw74: uben, u don't know the diffrence between literal and figurative a child would know, but not if he is rc, u r so blinded by satan your god
and how could a God hater, Bible hater, like u and rc's know God and His word you wouldn't know God if your life depended on it, and it does
truly uben, when you take communion u r not swallowing Jesus flesh just a dry wafer of bread
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke. 22:19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
argue with Christ.
some Protestants are just faithless.
Jesus himself took bread and said it is his body, the same body which he give for us, Jesus said it but modern day Protestant say no, it is a lie it is not the body given up for up it is only a symbol. it is just faithlessness.
Are you even aware that the heresy you believe about the Eucharist is a 16th invention by a man called John Calvin? so for 1600years no Christian ever taught that the Eucharist is symbolic but you just follow and end time doctrine, a doctrine of a man in the 16th century?
sorry for you, even the Bible prophesied it, end time Church, end time doctrine, end time Christian.
sorry, I will accept the words of Christ, and the historic witness of all Christian for 2000years over the invention and heresy of a man called John Calvin and his followers.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pentecostals Believe That Catholic Church Is Not A Bible Believing Church by Ubenedictus(m): 7:13pm On Oct 22, 2017
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rc's would believe anything their church told them