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Abdulgaffar22:
@UceeGod
You asked me to give you proof that Matthew 28:19 is not from Jesus. See the proof below;
Matthew 28:19 reported Jesus to have said;
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".
In this very verse, Jesus commanded the apostles to baptize the people in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
But did apostles really act on this command ?
Read the three verses below;

1. Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)
2. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS (Acts 8:16).
3. So he ordered that they be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Then they asked him to stay for a few days(Acts10:48)
If Jesus really commanded the apostles to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, then WHY WOULD APOSTLES GO AGAINST THIS COMMAND AND BAPTIZE ONLY IN JESUS NAME ?
Since the apostles would never go against the command of Jesus, then the only conclusion to be reached is that Jesus NEVER give such a command. Therefore, Matthew 28:19 is nothing but forgery and fabrication.
Again you wrote;
"These are different accounts that proved that Jesus sent His desciples to other parts of the world - Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47, Acts 1:8.
My reply;
1. If Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts1:8 are all true and Jesus really sent the disciples to all nations, then why did Peter say the following statement long AFTER Jesus departure;
You are well aware that IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. But God has shown me that I should call anyone impure or unclean (Acts 10:28)
Was Peter NOT aware that they were now FREE to visit the gentiles and preach the gospel to all the nations of the world?
2 . If Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts1:8 are all true and Jesus really sent the disciples to all nations, then why did remaining Jewish believers in Christ criticize Peter on the SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES on his return to Jerusalem as the following passage revealed ?
"Soon the news reached the apostles and other believers in Judea that the Gentiles had received the word of God. But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM. “YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!” they said (Acts 11:1-3 NLT).
If the other Jewish believers in Christ did not criticize Peter on his arrival to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES as shown above, then we may think that it was Peter that was saying nonsense when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).
Remember that all these events happened AFTER Jesus has left this world.

3 . If Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts1:8 are all true and Jesus really sent the disciples to all nations, why the disciples under the authority of apostles preached the message ONLY TO THE JEWS even after the persecution of Steven as the following verse indicates;
"Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message ONLY TO THE JEWS (Acts 11:19)".
Were they not aware of Jesus new command of preaching to all nations ?
4 . If Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts1:8 are all true and Jesus really sent the disciples to all nations, then why did original apostles of Jesus LIMITED their work to Christianizing the Jews while leaving Paul and Barnabas to deal with the Gentiles as the following verses indicate;
"On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as PETER HAD BEEN TO THE JEWS. For God, who was at work in the ministry of PETER AS AN APOSTLE TO THE JEWS, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and THEY TO THE JEWS " (Galatians 2:7-9).
As you can see, the original apostles of Jesus stick tenaciously to the command of NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES given to them by Jesus in Matthew 10:5-6 even AFTER Jesus departure. They knew NOTHING about the verses commanding the disciples to preach to all the nations of the world. Of course Jesus has already declared to them that he was SENT ONLY to the Israelites (Matthew 15:24).
Again you insist that Jesus is God despite the presence of John 20:17 and John 17:3 in the Bible . Why did you not say something to refute my argument concerning these two verses ?
But let me give you more;
1. Luke 6:12 says "He (Jesus) went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God" .
If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself ?
2 . Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is Almighty God, why is he having someone greater than him? Can anybody be greater than Almighty God?
3. Again Mark 10:17-18 says as follows;
"As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life? "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone".
If Jesus is God, why did he REJECT being called “good” and then SUBMIT that all goodness belongs only to God?
4 . Again, in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said;
“But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”.
If Jesus is God, why did he confess his lack of knowledge about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to the Father? Can God be lacking anything as regard to knowledge?

Until you are able to refute all these arguments , proving Jesus deity by using some EQUIVOCAL verses like John 8:58, John 10:30-33 and others is COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS.

Jesus Christ is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in ESSENCE/BEING (I have explained that) but you've chosen to ignore it. You Muslims love to quote the Bible so much but you have zero or negative understanding of the WORD. The Bible passages you all believe are contradictory are actually complimentary to us who are privileged to understand the WORD. Jesus' desciples understood His deity that's why they could call Him the LORD (YAHWEH) and even worship Him (John 20:28).

Because other Jewish Christian believers criticised Peter doesn't prove that Jesus didn't send Peter and the rest to make desciples of other nations. In fact, Peter and the other apostles found it conducive to preach to the Gentiles later in their ministries when their faith became stronger. God's plan from the beginning has been to reach the whole world starting from Israel but the old testament Jews failed to do that. They added their own laws (Torah) to what God gave them and decided not to relate with non-Jews.

You quoted Acts 11:19 but I think you should read further to verse 20.

Jesus' ministry only lasted for 3yrs and was centered on the Jews but that doesn't mean His message was only for the Jews (Luke 2:32). It's been ordained that His followers (including His apostles) would take the message to the rest of the world even though you Muslims believe Paul was a false apostle (that is another matter entirely).

Jesus Christ (as God in human form) was an anthropomorphic revelation of God to humanity. Jesus was fully human and at the same time fully God, that's why He could feel the pains and sufferings just like mere humans. His lack of knowledge of the Day of judgment is another human side of Him but that doesn't disapprove His deity in any way.

From the beginning, God has been revealing Himself to men (especially the Jews) the little ways humans can only comprehend, yet, humans can't know more than what He's revealed of Himself (Isaiah 45:15, Deuteronomy 29:29). God has His own independent intra-Trinitarian life apart from the creation, and this life is hidden from view and unknowable to creatures. Yet God has condescended not only to create and enter into a personal relationship with creatures, but to reveal His character insofar as it pleases Him and benefits us. It does not benefit us to know the secret essence of God or to probe the hiddenness of his Trinitarian life, but it does benefit us to know that God the Creator is also our Redeemer in Jesus Christ.

It's not a good thing to cherrypick passages from the Bible as they support your views while tagging others as fabrications from the same Book. It's only a lieing spirit from the devil that can influence such character and you should resist it, it's not from God. The Spirit of God leads to the Truth and doesn't contradict but compliments what seems to be contradictory to the spiritually blind.

If they truly got involved in any immorality, then the suspension of their wedding is very good. Worldliness shouldn't be tolerated in the church.

BTW what does Kumuyi's statement about Buhari has to do with this issue?

Abdulgaffar22:
@ UceeGod


You wrote;

"If you have FAITH in the name of Jesus, then it should result in you believing EVERYTHING He said about Himself"

My reply;

How are you sure that EVERYTHING attributed to Jesus actually came from his mouth ? For example, How could Jesus who said he was SENT ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24) later changed his mind and asked the apostles to make disciples of ALL NATIONS (Matthew 28:19) ?
If it was already in the divine plan that Jesus would PREACH TO THE JEWS FIRST AND THEN TO ALL NATIONS, then Jesus' statement directed to that Canaanite woman in Matthew 15:24 should have been: IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”.
This simply shows that Matthew 28:19 is a statement attributed FALSELY to Jesus Christ.

Again You wrote;

"You can't chose some of the things He said about Himself and then reject others (including Him being God)".

My reply: where did Jesus call himself God ?

In John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said:


“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”.


If Jesus is God Almighty, then which God was he referring to when he said ; "my God and your God" ? Can God Almighty have another God?



Again in John 17:3, Jesus was reported to have said:

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" .


If Jesus himself was referring to another person (i:e the Father) as the "ONLY true God" , then how could Jesus be God ? If Jesus did not use the word "ONLY", then hopefully you may want to argue that Jesus is also another true God just like his Father. However, the word "ONLY" used by Jesus has put an end to any further argument.

So where did Jesus say I am God ?

These are different accounts that proved that Jesus sent His desciples to other parts of the world - Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47, Acts 1:8. Give me proof that Matthew 28:19 is not from Jesus.

In John 8:58 we find Christ’s claim that He never had a beginning. Since only God is eternal, this amounts to a declaration of deity. To a group of hostile religious leaders, He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Notice, Jesus didn’t say, “Before Abraham was born, I was born.” He said, “Before Abraham came into being, I AM.” Abraham was born within the framework of time. Jesus declared that His own existence transcends time. He has always existed. He had no beginning.

Another statement of Christ in which He calls Himself God is found in John 10:30. While attending the feast of dedication at Jerusalem, He said, “I and My Father are one.” The religious leaders recognized that He was claiming deity when He made this statement. They started throwing stones at Him and said they were doing so because of “blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God” (Jn. 10:33).

You can choose to ignore the myriad of passages in the Bible that attest to Jesus Christ's deity as God (I know you read the Bible very well) but if you're REALLY SEEKING THE TRUTH, pray to God and He will make you understand what you read in the Bible instead of sticking to what you've been taught about the Bible.

Jesus Christ (the SON) as a person is God in human form while God (the FATHER) is God in His incomprehensible glorious form, the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit Who lives in anyone that accepts and follows Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth about Jesus Christ while Jesus Christ has revealed the Father. The three persons have been together AS ONE BEING from the beginning, yet they are 3 different persons WHO relate together with Themselves in an exemplary way. The question you should ask is - WHO are they and WHAT are they? WHO (They are different PERSONS) & WHAT (They are the same BEING).

I know the comprehension of God's tri-unity as revealed in the Bible has been a big issue to Muslims and some who claim to be Christians, but as I said earlier, if you a genuine TRUTH SEEKER and wants to know God than what you' ve been taught by your religion, I'm very sure God Himself will reveal His Truth to you (Jesus Christ) if you ask Him humbly.

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Abdulgaffar22:
@ UceeGod


Are you saying if you reject those set of beliefs listed up there, you are still a Christian ?

If FAITH in Christ alone is what is required to become a Christian, then I am also a Christian because I have faith in him as a prophet sent ONLY to the Jews as he rightly said; I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24 NIV).

Now going back to the original post, do you believe that CHRISTIANITY is the NAME of your FAITH in Christ ?

Faith results in beliefs but doesn't have to be a religion. You have faith on Jesus doesn't mean you believe in Jesus Christ. If you have FAITH in the name of Jesus, then it should result in you believing EVERYTHING He said about Himself. You can't chose some of the things He said about Himself and then reject others (including Him being God), that means you don't have FAITH in Him, you are only being hypocritical.

CHRISTIANITY is the name the world we live agreed to call and identify the FAITH and DISCIPLESHIP I have in JESUS CHRIST. Jesus commanded His first desciples (the real church) to go everywhere beginning from Jerusalem and make more desciples (not religion) and baptise them in His name. JESUS DIDN'T BRING A RELIGION, HE BROUGHT BACK A LOST KINGDOM. Anyone who wants to be part of the Kingdom should only believe in Him (FAITH) and follow Him truthfully. Relationship with Jesus Christ (Christianity) is a personal one NOT A RELIGIOUS PRACTICE. When one has such a relationship, it should naturally develop some Christlike characters in him/her. Those characters, beliefs and behaviours don't make him/her a Christian but are the results of being a genuine Christian. A lot of people may have those characters and beliefs on the surface but that doesn't make them Christians.

Abdulgaffar22:
If Christianity is not a religion as you claimed, then under what group can we place it in nairaland ? Under politics ? Under culture ? Under business ? under sports and entertainment ? Under health ? Under romance ? Under education ? Please tell the whole world that nairaland has made a great mistake by placing Christianity under religion.

Do you know that the word "Christian" was first coined by pagans in Antioch? These pagans were religious people who wanted to equate the practices of Christ's desciples with other religions around them, yet those practices doesn't make them Christians, rather being genuine Christians produce those acts in them.

If you and Nairaland and the rest of the world (including those who claim to be Christians) decide to call genuine Christian activities as a set of religious practice, does that make genuine Christianity a religion?

Abdulgaffar22:
@UceeGod

You wrote;

"Do you know that Christianity is a personal relationship with God as revealed through Christ and not a set of beliefs as you stated above? A true Christian only looks upon Jesus Christ as God Incarnate (LORD) and Saviour to be right with God and of course by FAITH NOT RELIGIOUS PRACTICES"

My reply;

If Christianity is not a set of beliefs, why do you BELIEVE in;
1. virgin birth of Jesus ?
2. all the miracles performed by Jesus ?
3. the resurrection of Jesus ?
4. the ascension of Jesus to heaven ?
5. the second coming of Jesus ?
Are they not set of beliefs ?
Again what is the difference between FAITH and BELIEFS ?
Further more, if Christianity is not a religious practices then why do you have to PRACTICE;
1. the act of " loving your enemy and praying for those who persecuted you" (Matthew 5:44) ?
2. the act of humbleness (Matthew 23:12) ?
3. the act of peace-making (Matthew 5:9)?
4. the act of honoring your parents (Matthew 15:4) ?
5. the act of honoring your marriage (Matthew 19:4) and feeding the poor (Luke 14:13) ?
Are they not religious practices?
Honestly you are confused!

Those beliefs do not make you a Christian. You don't practise those things you listed to become a Christian. I already told you what makes one a Christian - FAITH in Christ alone, not your goodness or religious practices.

If you're genuinely born again, believe with your whole hearth (FAITH) that you're already free from SIN, SELF, SATAN & SICKNESS. Why? because the Bible said so.

You may still be struggling with these S's but you can only begin to experience your Christ-given victory when you start having FAITH. It's impossible to experience spiritual reality without FAITH. THE Holy Spirit is always there to help only if your cam exercise FAITH in Him.

Abdulgaffar22:
Religion is a fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a group of people.

If that's your own definition of religion, then it's incomplete. Do you believe ritual practices are part of religion? Do you believe religion has to do with man's efforts to reach and be right with God? Do you know that Christianity is a personal relationship with God as revealed through Christ and not a set of beliefs as you stated above? A true Christian only looks upon Jesus Christ as God Incarnate (LORD) and Saviour to be right with God and of course by FAITH NOT RELIGIOUS PRACTICES.
As for James 1:27, I notice you Muslims love to quote the Bible anywhere you think favours your position without basic understanding of the Word as a whole and always out of context. My friend, the word religion used in that passage does not mean the same religion as defined by you.

Abdulgaffar22:
By saying that Christianity is not a religion is by saying the FIRST POINT of the OP is wrong. Yet there is NOTHING WRONG with this point.

The act of following the Christ must have a particular NAME through which it can be mentioned or referenced as explained by the OP. If the NAME of following the Christ is not Christianity, then WHAT IS IT ?

If you are not yet clear, then read below the quote I extract from the first point of the OP;

"This simply shows that a religion ( or system of faith or even any spiritual way claimed to bring us closer to God) must have a particular "NAME" through which it can be mentioned, described or referenced; just like any other ENTITY ( like human being, animal, place, colour or thing) in the world must have a particular "NAME" through which it can be mentioned, described or referenced"

What is a religion?

pazikoo:
How is their teachings contradictory to the scripture? All their teachings are fully backed by the scripture and during teaching they welcome questions and they answered any question asked, backing them scripturally. Ever since I started following their teachings I have seen tremendous changes in my life. Before now I use to go church partakes in almost all church activities believing I am save by his grace while still indulging in sins but I was proved wrong from the very first day I started following PDF teachings. Today I can beat my heart and said those sins that almost condemned me has given way through the teachings of JDF. I have been exposed beyond my imagination the truth about the gospel of Jesus. Before it was difficult for me forgo so many worldly things because I thought there enjoyment but when I realized that those things so referred to as enjoyment by many are rather killing the spirit which is actually God's own property in a man I have to pray myself out and I am a free man in Christ Jesus today. Before now I have seeking the baptism of the holy spirit and it became so impossible for me to achieve it but today I discovered it is very simple for one to achieve it and the only key to receiving it is when you live a sin free life, when your soul is free from anything called sin and you ask the Lord for the baptism of the holy ghost, you will receive effortlessly. Don't be deceived by anyone when they tell you there is nothing like the holy ghost baptism. If that be the case, why then Jesus told his disciples he was going to send the comforter for them. He told specifically in Acts of Apostle 1:5 Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. In verse 8 He said categorically that you shall receive power after the holy ghost has come. With the baptism of the holy ghost is necessary for everyone that truly call himself a born again child of God. It is the holy ghost that will help you do greater things and help you overcome the spirit of sin thereby giving you the urge to do the things of God. Now how do you receive the holy ghost baptism? First of all you need to receive the gospel of Jesus in you and let the gospel sink in you, and break you down after which you will cry to God for forgiveness of all the sins you know you have committed. Ask God to reveal to you other sins you may not remember or may not be aware of. Surely He will reveal them to you. Break out of it. When you are totally free from all these sins you can now request for the holy ghost baptism. You will surely have it. The holy ghost can now help you to live a sin free life by warning you anytime the temptation comes. It will also help teach you the gospel to your understanding. Gospel education is very necessary for every believer of Christ. Accept it today and you will never regret you. I pause here

I've been attending their fellowship here in Abeokuta for some weeks now. I think they emphasize too much on the WORKS you do to make you saved rather than the GRACE of Jesus Christ that gives salvation according to Ephesians 2:8 and they hardly give time for questions. Also their concept of man's dual existence (body & spirit) is false as against the three dimensional existence of man (body, soul and spirit). I hope to continue to fellowship with them but I'll stop fellowshiping with them if they continue giving little or no time for questions because I think they may be misleading a lot of young souls into false Christianity.

I'm sure you know Christianity isn't a religion even though most people who claim to be Christians erroneously believe following Christ is a religion . Our relationship with the God of the Bible isn't a mere religious formula as you Muslims practise but a living and growing fellowship with Him as revealed in Jesus Christ through His Holy Spirit Who lives in us. All religions were created by humans but the God Who genuine Christians worship as revealed in Christ did not bring religion to the world even though He sanctioned it in the Old testament era in order to make His revelations simpler and comprehensible but He has never wanted and will never need a religious relationship with His regents on earth.

So my friend, do well by removing Christianity from your list of religions.

sparog:
Cool stuff

These guys will one day become billionaires in dollars

See the way blackmen think, we always think of money first before any other thing, that's why Africans never progress.

Out of the myriad of breakthroughs this innovation can achieve, it's only money you can think of

You Nigerians deserve the poo this people throw at you. When you all are tired of being trampled upon like fools, you know how to force these demonic politicians out of power

I would have loved to shed a little light on your questions from biblical perspectives. Since you aren't a Christian and you need answers from Islamic perspectives, I can't do much. My explanations won't make any sense to you unless the Spirit makes you understand.

NB: being born to a Christian family doesn't make you a Christian. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you one. Only a genuine regeneration by Christ's Spirit can make you a Christian.

For your mind now, na business advert you dey do abi?
God's judgement will soon start befalling all of you people using His holy name for personal agenda.

He's lucky this is Nigeria. In sane climes, he and his whole family will still be hiding in shame. I know one day, posterity will begin to consume all Nigeria's past rulers and politicians and their households. That day is coming! Sanity and moral values will soon return to Nigeria!

Apart from the irresponsible negligence of the Chinese company, Abeokuta people are mostly careless. Many residential homes here in Abeokuta have wide open well carelessly dug and usually left open while children play around

Living out a life of victory that has been won for us here on earth is the only preparation we need for Jesus' second coming not thinking about the end time.

kaen1317:
I am the most abused and insulted president in the world, but when I leave you will all remember me for the total freedom you enjoyed under my Government---GEJ

All of you who support these politicians are the major problem with Nigeria. No politician deserve the support of any right thinking Nigerian.
Until you all start thinking and taking actions against these evil people that parade themselves as politicians, Nigeria will remain the same if not worse for the next generations to come.

From the posts I've seen here, I've confirmed my stance that Nigerians deserve everything they get from their politicians. An outgoing senator voices out what is so obvious to everyone just because he's leaving the position and some people here (who are supposedly educated) begin to hail him while others castigate him because of their partisanship.

You all should know that Nigeria's problem is not about political parties or ethnicity or religion but the political "elites" across all tribes, religions and parties who continue to take Nigerians for fools. But the bigger problem is the people who blindly follow them.

You should all understand that Satan is currently in charge of the cosmos, he's in control of the powers of the air at this time and that included most media outlets and Internet sites (including Nairaland). Satan uses every means he can to subdue the Gospel of Christ but he knows he can't prevail, so let's keep trying our best to propagate the Kingdom Gospel any way we can despite the challenges of the devil.

Only fools will believe this

LordReed:
Nope. These are genuine questions, questions I am sure even Christians have.

Not everyone who claims he's a Christian has the Seed of Christ. The Seed is His Spirit. Not everyone who has this Spirit can has been able to appropriate this freedom from Sin and slavery to righteousness even though the victory has been given.
The freedom we enjoy from being slave to Righteousness is a paradox and spiritual realities you all can never understand unless you humble yourself and ask for Christ's Spirit.

Pride comes before downfall

Oh how I wish you really want answers to your questions. But I'm sure you only want to argue on what you have negative understanding about.

The Liberty I enjoy from being freed from the bondage of Sin and being slave to the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is beyond the understanding of the natural man. Only with experience can you understand.

WORK is just the evidence of our salvation in Christ’s GRACE through FAITH - Ephesians 2:8
WORK doesn't give us the salvation, Christ paid it all for us through His blood. Anyone who can't WORK out his own salvation (according to Philippians 2:12) simply doesn't have the Life of salvation in Christ.

Just why Jesus said it'll be harder for a rich man to enter His Kingdom than a Carmel walking through the eye of the needle.

Success and wealth in this world is built by trampling on others but in God's Kingdom, success is built by building up others even at your own risk

Simply from spiritual perspective, Satan fears godly men more than godly women. The fulfillment of God's purpose on earth depends primarily on men far more than women. This is why 90% of all temptations in this world are directed at men, Satan wages war against men more than women so that more men won't have time for God or His purpose.
The entrenching of Godly values and principles in the families and societies is the primary role of men(especially fathers) than women, Satan knows this so he fights very hard to keep more men away from God.

Maximus69:
Have Kumuyi ever declared publicly just as Jesus did not to call his followers by titles? Matthew 23:8
Please Sir let Kumuyi speak for himself so that most people will stop addressing him as Pastor!

People like you who use all their lives trying to find fault in everyone never really get a life. Kumuyi has never emphasized on calling him or anyone by titles. Even though he is a professor in mathematics, he prefers to be called W. F. KUMUYI

All these arguments about tithing should have stopped by now that we are privileged to have more spiritual knowledge. The whole thing about the Mosaic law should be from the Principles. The law is the Precept. The Principles point to the Precepts and the Precepts point to the Person (Jesus Christ).

If you must understand the Precepts, acquaint yourself with the Spirit behind the Principles who then teaches you about the Person. Once you understand the Principle behind tithing, then you should know that in the Covenant of Grace, it also applies but not as a Law. The Principle simply is about supporting God's works and giving to the less privileged from what God has graciously given you according to the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT not according to the LAW.