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Chai!! Innocent people go yapa dia o
If you've never being arrested by police, you will believe everything they put out there

Just imagine how the real Satan would be mocking these people

drips8:
I feel Christians should also get their own section as atheists and anyone else creep up on Christian topics

There's absolutely no need for that because the Christian Faith has always thrived against criticisms and condemnations. The spread of the genuine Christian faith through persecutions has often been the tool God uses to advance His gospel.
Christians don't defend their faith with physical weapons like others do. The Christian faith is not a cult where others who don't belong are disallowed to fellowship. A genuine Christian isn't afraid to open his mind to other doctrines from other religions because he has the Spirit of Truth within him.

Those days Nigeria had footballers with character not now that we have only huzzlers as national team players

jesusjnr:
Maybe that's why Dangote is richer than y'all because he doesn't need to see Oyedepo in a vision to get rich.

Nonsense!

So if God provided riches then for His own work, without Jesus having to preach the gospel of mammon, they think that now they must preach the gospel of mammon for God to provide riches for His own work.

Bunch of mammon worshippers and modern day Pharisees who talk of church wealth as if it was collective and not personal riches.

Look at what it truly means for the church to be wealthy here:

Acts 4:32, 34-35 (KJV)

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

You are very right brother.
They keep deceiving their spiritually gullible followers that their prosperity agenda is about spreading the gospel of Christ, but we know Christ never preached about material prosperity neither did He use material wealth as a means to spreading His gospel nor did He command His desciples to preach prosperity or gather material wealth to reach the whole world.
I pray God opens the spiritual eyes of His beloved people to see that these "men-of-God" are actually worshippers of the god of this world (Mamon) while using Christ to cover up their idolatry.

Abdulgaffar22:
What is confusing you about those verses which prove that Jesus is not God ?

Which school of thought you've taken me through in the past ?

If you are very sure of your self, take your time to nullify all those evidence

All those verses you think contradict Jesus' deity are actually proof of His deity as GOD ALMIGHTY. You only choose to believe what the devil placed on your carnal mind and have refused to humble yourself enough to allow God through His Spirit to awaken your dead spirit so you can properly understand those Bible passages.

CodeTemplar:
Stop replying to delusions man.

Jesus endorsed tithe in that Mathew 23:23
Zach 1:17 is from the LORD also. and It talks about the church being prosperous. Challenge the point with fact and not ignorance. Plus I never claimed Jesus asked his disciples to preach tithes or prosperity.

Matthew 23:23 statement was made under the Old Covenant. Tithing was of course mandatory then; but in the New Testament, the Principle at the root of tithing is what we follow through the leading of the Holy Spirit - the principle of supporting God’s purpose with our financial resources which must be proportional, cheerfully made and planned as the Spirit leads you.
You quoted Zechariah 1:17 out of context. The Lord was talking about Old Testament Jerusalem which was in ruins NOT about His New Testament church spreading through prosperity. The true Church of Christ comprising His genuine followers often spreads through persecutions and righteousness NOT material prosperity.
Moreover, God is not against His people being prosperous as long as prosperity agenda and gospel doesn't take the place of His Kingdom agenda - freedom from Sin and satanic dominion + eternal life.

No where in the Bible did Christ ask His desciples to preach about material prosperity. No where did Christ tell His desciples to organise church and mandate people to pay tithes.
The only gospel Christ commisioned His desciples to preach is about His Kingdom - Matthew 4:23, 9:35, Mark 16:15, Luke 9:6
The gospel of the Kingdom of God is about freedom from the dominion of Sin, peace in this troublesome world and Life in eternity. The gospel is often accompanied by signs of healing anf deliverance from demonic possession. The gospel of Christ's Kingdom never promises material wealth but God blesses anyone He deems fit according to His purpose, even unbelievers.
Success and prosperity in God's Kingdom is not ideally the same with that of the world. Unfortunately, prosperity and success is now seen in "churches" today just the way the world sees them. Prosperity in Christ's descipleship are the spiritual blessings that come with a heart and soul devoted entirely to Christ - giving the best of what you are and what you have to God's purpose regardless of the obstacles, which also includes your money (not necessarily 10%).

A vision is a goal you are aspiring to achieve in your life time while a dream is a hope or wish you believe will come to pass even after you're dead.

GodWrites:
You want to delve into whether he exists or not? Please don't dabble in that aspect cause you will end up shooting yourself.

If you say he exists? What proof do you have of his existence? Something that doesn't exist can't cease to exist until proven that he really exist.

Are you getting me?

If you can't bring up something tangible about the existence of your God, why then do you find the belief in Zeus, Thor, Buddha laughable?

You believe there's no God in your mind, true. But He exists in your heart, that's why you bother yourself so much about God, Satan and hell. That's why you still read the Bible even though you understand it upside-down.
My friend, I have nothing to show you why God exists because your breath alone is a proof. You either agree with your conscience or silent it, it's up to you.

GodWrites:
You still don't get it.. I would advice you read the Bible again but this time, don't suspend your intelligence.

Good news is; he doesn't exist..

You say He doesn't exist? But that won't make Him seize to exist, even in your conscience. If you won't allow the Spirit who inspired the writers of the Bible to inspire you to understand, that's a complete waste of time. Your own intelligence has a finite perspective. My own intelligence has an eternal perspective - that's a huge difference.

Unfortunately that's the inevitable. Looking at the American Society today despite their rigid Christian background is now the capital of "Babylon". To think the majority of Nigerians (including Christians) swallow the American lifestyle undiluted, it's just inevitable that that's where the church in Nigeria is headed.
But it shouldn't stop the few genuine Christians who value Biblical Truths from preaching the right gospel to their wards and congregations.

GodWrites:
If you know what threat or blackmail is, you won't make this shallow comment.

Of course when it comes to the aspect of your Bible that makes men cringe, you and your lots fall back to understanding of the scripture or the faith..

I'm surprised you didn't ask me to call upon the holy spirit for understanding lol.

You said he doesn't force people?

If I tell you, love me or you die by hanging. Isn't that a choice? Am I forcing you? Don't allow those years of indoctrination blind you, open your eyes

How can a God create hell, ask you to love him or suffer eternity by his own very creation? Mehn.. That is the real definition of using fear to control.

Well, I can't really blame you for your lack of understanding because the majority of those who profess to be Christians still take their faith as a religion - fear of God's judgement.

But I'm sure you read what I posted up there about GENUINE CHRISTIANITY. A real Christian doesn't serve God or follow Christ out of fear of His judgement but out of full realization of His infinite Love. A real Christian will not follow Christ just to avoid eternal punishment but to fulfill God's purpose for creating him/her on earth - that's only when he/she will be truly and fully satisfied.

If you continue reading the Bible without His inspiration, you'll sure continue to misunderstand and misinterprete the Bible. That was how I used to read & study the Bible because I was born in a core Christian religious home. But when I stopped going to church and started studying the Bible prayerfully, then I started seeing the real side of God - LOVE.

As for hell, I already told you God didn't create hell for humans. You can only choose to accompany the devil to hell, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

GodWrites:
You've picked some aspects of your holy Bible that appeals to you.

Lemme do mine. Please don't skip a line, read to the very end.

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Mathew 25:46
These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.”

Mathew 1:50

And throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Mathew 25:41

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

There are lots of horrendous passages that I cant dig up now..

*****

The ascension of Saints into heaven, and the damnation of the evil ones into eternal lake of fire is the main message which thy religion carry and hold firmly.

It's a threat - a blackmail!

Before you i lay two paths, love me and be saved. Reject me and be casted to eternal suffering.

Where is love therein?

Isn't that a blackmail? Is that not a threat?

It's like saying, give me your car and live. Refuse and i shot you this gun. Or maybe another instrument of fear could he used by the robber anyway.. The fact remains, fear has to be used for control to be possible.

In the game of power, you lay two options and make the less desirable option very hard to pick.

Any love that comes with a condition is not love. Love me and be saved, if you don't you die.

Worship me and be saved, if you don't you die..

Work out your salvation with trembling..

Let he that thinks he stands take hid less he fall..

Parables where also used to intensify that fear. Like the parable of the rich fool and so many others.

Read your holy book and see FEAR written on almost every line.

There is no love in fear! Look within, why do you believe in God? You might find your brain spinning a bit.. That's cause your only reason is because of the cons..

Religion was created using the carrot and stick technique. I wish you can know beyond that tool of control you call Bible.

Your writeup shows absolute lack of understanding of the Christian faith. Genuine Christianity is based on LOVE not threats. The LORD God of the Bible is the Creator of all things and He has the ultimate right over His creations but He doesn't force humans to submission. On the contrary, the devil, the common enemy of all humans uses religion to keep humans in darkness (separation from God) with force.

As a human, you choose to embrace the love of God in Christ or choose to join the devil in rebellion against God - that of course leads to eternal damnation in hell prepared solely for the devil.

Humans and religion, creating and worshipping a god you want and desire

Janosky:
** I challenge Ucee to tell the NL Forum, why your "Jesus almighty God" is in heaven calling another Superior Being, "my God" and "my Father"? Rev 3:2,5.


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What's Jesus message to you in Rev3:12-14, 21?

**3)
where was Jesus Christ when he made that statement ?

Jesus referred to His Father as "My God" when He was on earth, He is now in Heaven and still doing the same. That doesn't in any way make Him inferior as a BEING but only as the second PERSON in the triune God.

Of course you wouldn't expect God the FATHER to communicate direct with John when Christ the SON has already been revealed as the MOST HIGH GOD.

Cooperate madness. A lot of people are actually insane in this country, they're only waiting for the opportunity to display their madness at any slight provocation.

Only politicians and their cronies are the ones opposing this movement. It'll never be well with their descendants who follow after them

To think that the government sponsors these religious wastage including that of the Christians (which isn't even needed) with tax payers' money in a secular country like Nigeria is unpardonable. These politicians will even feed the devil just to continue to keep this diabolic system of government.
I believe one day, Nigeria will become a sane country where only the godly-minded are given opportunity for political leadership. Then all these present politicians, their families and cronies will pay for all the atrocities and injustices they have meted out to Nigerians.

kenny3937:
No one follows JDF without A PERSONAL REVELATION.

someone said and I quote "I think they emphasize too much on the WORKS you do to make you saved rather than the GRACE of Jesus Christ that gives salvation". Listen, Jesus SET YOU FREE, to be FREE INDEED, is completely UP TO YOU.

Check John 8:36
This is the main problem I have with you people - you don't teach from the Bible. Your teachers in JDF prefer to teach from their own ideas (which they call revelations) instead of using the Holy Bible as their spiritual compass. Any revelation you have as a child of God that doesn't align with His written Word is definitely not from God.

Christ has finished all the WORK for my freedom from SIN, SATAN, SICKNESS & SELF. All I do everyday is walk in that victory by FAITH in His finished work of GRACE. if you want to experience victory over SIN, you don't need to fight against it because Christ has overcome everything for us, you only need to appropriate that victory by FAITH through the power of the Holy Spirit in you.

Janosky:
Lying bingbagbo Pharisee grasping at straws.

Where you go hide from Matt 16:13-17. Act9:20. Romans1:1 & Rev 3:2,5 ?
They are overwhelming evidences of your Pharisaic,Anti-Christ status.

I understand it's still difficult for you to comprehend the TRUTH of Christ's BEING as God Almighty revealed to humanity in the PERSON of Jesus(The Son) because humans cannot apprehend God Almighty as He is in Himself (The Father) in His All Glorious Form.

Pray for understanding from the Holy Sprit when you study your Bible.

He just found an excuse to do what had bedeviled his mind. A rational mind can't just commit suicide for such a flimsy reason.

Every human has a conscience that can't be twisted. You can only agree with it or silent it, but it remains the only means to recognize the TRUTH.
Muslim scholars who believe they are intelligent enough always try to argue against Christ's deity and atonement with philosophical reasoning while they know that phylosophical conclusions don't align with spiritual realities, yet they claim their religion and Quran is a spiritual concept.

Dollarseeker:
Are you more sensible than Elizabeth...Mary is
acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit
and even before the birth of her son, as “the mother
of my Lord.” In fact, the One whom she conceived as
man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son
according to the flesh, was none other than the
Father’s eternal Son, the second Person of the Holy
Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly
“Mother of God. You are either not a full Christian or you don't understand your Bible very well. Most pastors knows about it but they won't preach about it because they want more congregation. But I strongly believe that very soon they will begin to preach it and make you guys understand, just as most Christians who didn't believe in the Trinity now does. Mary the mother of our Lord and saviour... smiles. Go and do a little research. don't listen to everything you are told, make your own research. Respect and honor Mary as the Mother of Jesus who is God (not worship her). If you don't believe that Mary is the mother of God(Jesus Christ), then you are simply saying that Jesus is not God, which is Heresy

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-can-mary-be-gods-mother

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/why-do-we-call-mary-mother-of-god/

https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-God

Did Jesus ask you to honour Mary as the "mother of God"? Mary herself was a desciple of Jesus Christ like Peter, John and the others. She was the vessel God used enter creation, yet we were never asked to give her any honour that is due God Himself.
Your Bible reference is just an excuse to continue worshipping Mary (even though you claim to only "honour" her) as the "mother of God", afterall you catholics pray to her statue.

Until Nigerians rise up and protest against these thieves raking in huge sums of money they don't work for, these megalomaniacs will continue to spit and poo on Nigerians. The national assembly should be on a earn-as-you-work basis and for part-time workers, only then will we see serious and professional people come into the national assembly

What do you mean by being born-again?

I wish we had a real Christian influencer like Manny in Nigerian Sports and politics

When PDP was in power did they do anything different? Pot calling kettle black

How I wish this message would sink very deep into the minds of today's Christian women. To be the backbone of a man is the primary role of every woman according to the Bible but Christianity today has joined the world to replace godly femininity with feminism.

Technology isn't a trap but a very good thing inspired by God Himself. But like every other good things God has inspired men to innovate, the devil's job is to hijack them to suit his evil purpose.

If you gather mourinho, gardiola, Klopp and pochetino together to coach the SE, we'll still get the same results. Our problem is not coaching but lack of development that can produce the likes of Mane, Salah and Mahrez

tartar9:
Lol This is rather dumb

Dumb to you because you're spiritually deaf, so get Life.