This just reminds me of Chidinma, I used to know her back then in foursquare choirs at Ketu. She needs to go back to her Creator.

Motivational speakers now call themselves into pastoral ministries to get more audience. If you come across any preacher that emphasizes prosperity, success, healing, deliverance, miracles, etc more than righteousness and holiness in Christ, my brother run from them, they are end time preachers.

MuttleyLaff:
They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is the wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu aka VBCampaign mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

The first time I argued with him, this was exactly what I noticed about him - difficulty in understanding even simplest matters. There's no point engaging this dude in any serious matter let alone spiritual realities.

That's why the Christian Faith is the only TRUTH and Christ is the only WAY to eternal life. The real church of God will continue to thrive and wax stronger with every fiery darts the devil and the world fires at her - that's evident from history. The true body of Christ will come out purer from every controversy. Christians don't fight for their God with violence and bloodshed like religious people do but we allow God take care do His thing His own way.

You need a lot of personal time with God to know Him better. Have a Bible reading/study plan, watch sermons and read lots of christian books.

I don't attend any church either but I read ourdailybread online, follow their daily Bible study plan and read enduringword for more explanations, but I'll advise you invite the Holy Spirit to help you know the truth. Moreover, I listen to sermons and read books from Witness Nee, Keneth Hagin, John Piper, Joyce Meyer, Myles Munroe, Josh McDowell, and a lot of others. My spiritual life has been a blessing since I started doing these.

If you'll like some christian ebooks from the people I listed above and many others, whatsapp me on 08095904534.

oz4real83:
There are bad and sick individuals in every religion/faith. Don't use the behaviour or actions of few to insult others.

He is on a self-destruct mission. His master gave him an assignment to dig out stories Christians(or acclaimed Christians) who have been involved in scandals

May they all be exposed. Let the purification continue. The wolves in sheep clothing will all be exposed.

Anas09:

Is this what you perceive or this is true? You know that as a Christian you shd not lie abi? Have you followed these men and can sincerely say all the preach is wealth?

because, this month of July in Living Faith is all about the Supernatural. The Supernatural Workings of God in the lives of men. It's not about prosperity.

Could you be lying? As far as Living Faith is concerned Prosperity is preached in the month of prosperity, not in the Month of Wisdom or Praise, or Prayer, or Salvation, or the Holy Spirit, or Faith or Baptism. How did you come by this your postulations? Again Are you lying?

I can see from you're having it difficult comprehending my posts, so thus argument isn't yielding much.

Anas09:

What do you mean by pursuing money? And how does these pastors pursue money?

As a Christian leader, when your lifestyle is mostly about money, the messages you preach are mostly about getting wealthy, then you are worshipping Mammon. You can't be truly seeking God and Mammon at the same time, that's not the Christian way.

Anas09:

Do you know what Principles are? The Lord didn't need to preach that we shd pursue wealth.

Pls decode this scripture.

Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all other things shall be added into you.

What is the Kingdom of God?
How do you seek it
And what are the 'Other things' which will be added into you?

Do you need scriptures who h says diligence which is work (in this case Kingdom or Covenant Practice) is what brings wealth?

Maybe you have any other explanations to that Bible passage apart from God giving you all you need when you truly pursue Him, I'll be glad to learn from you. Or do you mean to say pursuing money is part of seeking God?

Anas09:
I need a scriptural discussion based on the Op, not discussion outside the Op.

Did God create these things?

If Yes, for who?

What is wrong with the People of God have wealth?

If the Patriarchs lived today, wld we regard them as materially minded and not true followers of God?

I'm itching to flood this thread with prosperity based scriptures.

Anyone?

I think you should reread my post so you can understand properly and I think you're the one being emotional here.
As I posted earlier, there's absolutely nothing wrong with God’s people being wealthy but it's unChristlike to continually emphasize on acquiring material possessions and flying private jets AS A CHRISTIAN LEADER. At the same time I'm not saying a Christian must be perpetually poor financially to be like Christ even though we all pass through financial difficulties - it's unavoidably part of the Christian life if we must grow in grace.
Show me anywhere in the Bible that Jesus Christ preached about pursuing wealth, show me anywhere in the Bible where Abraham, Isaac, David, Solomon, etc prayed or worked so hard for the wealth they had. Showe me anywhere in the Bible where God blessed them with material wealth because of their hard work.
My friend, true wealth from God doesn't come from your hard work but God's GRACE, WILL & SOVEREIGNTY. God may decide to bless your WORK with wealth but it has to be according to His divine purpose

invincible007:

My people Perish because of lack of Knowledge. Now the Knowledge has come but the Demons have caused their Knowledge of a man to rebel against this Knowledge. Well, I have gotten my own revelation about this age and I know KGD is not for everyone. Only the Elects will react positively to his LAST CALL. No Time to Argue, no is time to WORK MY SALVATION so my WORKS shall speak for me during JUDGEMENT. EVERY TREE THAT DOESN'T BEAR FORTH FRUIT SHALL BE CUT OFF.

If you believe your WORK will give you salvation, then Jesus didn't die for you. Maybe your righteousness will earn you eternal life. You better sit down and study your Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand instead of depending on denominational doctrines. This people don't teach direct from the Bible, but only refer to the Bible just to support their ideas.
As for me, the blood of Christ speaks for me before God, I am already justified by FAITH in Christ's finished WORK on the cross. Because I'm justified, my continuous sanctification by His GRACE is assured until HE returns to take me.

solite3:
true but you remember the story of the wheat and the tares, the Lord told his servants to let good and bad grow till the harvest time,
The Lord will not intervene till the set time.

God has been intervening in the affairs of His body since the earliest church. There has always been bad people within and against the church in every age but God uses them to stir up controversy and build up the church. This is how God has been purifying His bride and preparing her for His second coming. God will continue to do so until the church (the real mystical body of Christ) is ready to be raptured.

No right thinking genuine Christian blames Oyedepo, Adeboye, etc for being rich. But in a country where most people (including their congregations) can hardly afford to feed well and are spiritually depraved, these "men of God" flaunt their wealth and encourage pursuit of material possessions more than spiritual wellbeing. No wonder most of these politicians and fraudsters are comfortable in these congregations. No wonder these " men of God" are seen frolicking with politicians. No wonder many young people from these congregations are involved in immorality. No wonder these "men of God" can't come out vehemently against the darkness ravaging the country including immoral TV shows like BBNAIJA, corruption, injustice, politician's raking in over 1/4 of our national budget. No wonder there are so many fraudulent pastors springing up everywhere.
Abraham, Isaac, David, Solomon, etc didn't get rich by asking God for wealth or pursuing material possessions nor did they encourage people to run after material wealth as if that is what dominion over the earth is all about. They got so rich because it was God's will for them. God will only give wealth as His grace and sovereignty permits not because you ask Him or because you did anything special.

Yes, God will reward those who diligently seek Him but not necessarily with material wealth. God values our spiritual status more than our financial status. If you're seeking God just so that He can bless you with wealth, then you've missed the mark. True Christianity is far more than what we have here on earth. If Christ was really concerned about His followers getting mega rich here on earth, He would have had so many chariots, horses, carmels, etc in His entourage but He lived an exemplary life - a SIMPLE LIFE even though He could afford anything He wanted.
Simply put, those pastors flying private jets in Nigeria are nothing like Christ.

solite3:
we should not contribute fo the process with our actions.

2 Corinthians 6:3
Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

Of course a genuine Christian shouldn't make others reject Christ but we live in a world where Satan rules and is using highly placed individuals to influence many people especially those who claim to follow Christ, this is very obvious to everyone. The Bible has already warned us to stand for Christ and hang our faith on Him alone.

solite3:
our actions can draw people to christ or drive them away. Many people that would have come to Christ will be hindered.

Those who genuinely seek to know and live out the TRUTH will always be driven towards Christ regardless what people do.

alBHAGDADI:


You keep talking about purification of the Church. You gave you and your ilk that authority?

Don't do what God never ordered from the Bible. It will be tantamount to destruction for you. Read the below thread which the mods have refused to move to FP

https://www.nairaland.com/5275114/main-motive-behind-protest-against

God has been purifying His body from the very 1st century. The controversies within and against the church always brings out the best. If this whole thing is truly targeted at the real church, then so be it. It'll only further God's purpose and ultimately result in His glory.

solite3:
which purification? Do you know how many people that will fall away from christ because of this shame from two people that parades themselves as christians? If you know what the powers that be are cooking up against the church you will shed tears but again victory over the world and the devil has already been guaranteed for the church.

Anyone who hangs his faith around the actions of people (pastors or not) is not yet following Christ. The fight against the body of Christ is not the physical but spiritual, so must our warfare strategies be. Thank God because His purpose shall stand against the fiery darts of the devil.

There's no fight against anybody but the purification of the body of Christ, that's what's going on right now if you don't know. You should expect more scandals and exposing of the wolves in sheep clothing that are tarnishing the name of Christ. This has been part of my prayers everyday - the church in Nigeria has nothing close to being Christlike, there's great need for the fire of purification of God to burn off the fraudsters and canal elements within His body parading themselves as men of God.

Great Truth!
Since Satan can't kill the church by roaring at her like a lion, he is now trying to crush her by hugging her like a bear. Satan has failed to scare Christians away from worshipping God, he's working tooth and nail to entice Christians with worldly desires through spiritually unproductive activities.

Of course, they all belong to their master satan, including nairaland. The rulers of the cosmos and powers of the air are all scared of the only Name that's above every other name - JESUS!

Beautiful writeup!
As a man, if you haven't found WORK (your divine purpose in life not your job), you have no business getting married because God gave Adam WORK before woman. But you can't find that purpose unless you acquaint yourself with your Creator who is your Source and Sustainer. Marriage is a special ministry from God to a man, unfortunately most men fail to understand this concept hence the continuous decadence in moral and spiritual values.
As a woman, you have no business being with a man who is not yet WORKING (being in God's purpose). If a man can't touch and position your soul (mind, emotions and volition) to be influenced by your Creator, then he has no right to touch your body let alone taking you to the altar. A husband is supposed to be your head (source) and spiritual leader. He's supposed to be what your father has been to you from birth, that's why he must take permission from your father even before he courts you. Finally, your man should be someone you know you can complement (support) him in his WORK to fulfill his divine purpose - that's your own purpose in life, to make sure your husband fulfill God's plan for his life, only then will you truly be fulfilled.

Hmm church in deed, Satan has really deceived a whole lot of people. Someone who knows God shouldn't dress this way in the name of fashion

Originakalokalo:


❝And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:❞
—Revelation 6: 9 (KJV)


Jesus said that no one enters the kingdom of God EXCEPT he is born again.

In that verse above, it is the souls that are in heaven. They couldn't have entered that holy place except they are born again.

The Souls in there are born again. Or reborn.

Our subject here is a living soul on earth. Does the Holy Spirit reside within the soul or the renewed spirit? I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible that refers to a renewed soul, but new spirit is very well mentioned (Ezekiel 11:19, 18:31, 36:26).
The spirit of man is the only means through which he communicates with his Creator, the soul is meant to be subject to the spirit for the man to realize God's purpose for him on earth. It's the spirit that comes alive at regeneration as the Holy Spirit mingles with the spirit man. The soul begins to transform as he obeys the spirit from moment to moment. The body also responds gradually to the thoughs, feelings and intentions of soul but will finally be transfigured at the second coming of Christ.

BTW the book of revelation shouldn't be taken literally, most parts of the book are very much symbolic. Dead souls in Christ can't be in heaven right now, they will all be resurrected at the 2nd coming of Christ.

Babanlagenius:

Why beat robbers to pulp?

BEAT THEM TO DEATH!!!

How are we sure they are truly robbers?

Originakalokalo:


The spirit of man goes back to God...its what keeps us alive...the living force.

Every one has it, and it belongs to God.

The soul is the you inward.

What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loose his SOUL.

Animals have spirit. That's why they are alive.

After the soul is reborn, the spirit yields more easily to God because there is a connector between the spirit of man and God,

.that's the holy spirit

I believe it's the dead spirit of man that's being reborn by the Holy Spirit during regeneration in preparation for His indwelling. Then the soul of the man that has been subject to his flesh begins to yield to the desires of the new spirit as influenced by the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God Himself who reveals more about Christ through His Word to the spirit of man.
The Holy Spirit doesn't regenerate the soul of man but can transform the soul as the soul yields to the prompting of the new spirit regularly. The soul(mind, will and emotions) can't host the Holy Spirit but can be influenced through the spirit (fellowship, intuition and conscience).

Day2logic:
Sir what I think we need to end is individual owning a church. You can’t just own a church.

Until people (Christians especially) begin to see the true meaning of the word " CHURCH" as Christ's selected people (mystical body), Christianity will continue to be abused

Originakalokalo:


That's been born again.

The soul is reborn.

Is it the soul that's being reborn or the spirit of man? Is there any difference between the soul and the spirit?

This Senegal team reminds me of super eagles in 2000 - 2010 - most gifted(best players) underachievers

Prosperity preachers and their followers will not like this at all. They strongly believe the symbol for Christianity is no more a cross but private jet.

Nothing bad with visiting a psychologist, only if the psychologist is more spiritually matured in Christ

Do people still fall for this? This trick has been practised for ages, these guys actually believe so much in their juju