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A vision is a goal you are aspiring to achieve in your life time while a dream is a hope or wish you believe will come to pass even after you're dead.

GodWrites:
You want to delve into whether he exists or not? Please don't dabble in that aspect cause you will end up shooting yourself.

If you say he exists? What proof do you have of his existence? Something that doesn't exist can't cease to exist until proven that he really exist.

Are you getting me?

If you can't bring up something tangible about the existence of your God, why then do you find the belief in Zeus, Thor, Buddha laughable?

You believe there's no God in your mind, true. But He exists in your heart, that's why you bother yourself so much about God, Satan and hell. That's why you still read the Bible even though you understand it upside-down.
My friend, I have nothing to show you why God exists because your breath alone is a proof. You either agree with your conscience or silent it, it's up to you.

GodWrites:
You still don't get it.. I would advice you read the Bible again but this time, don't suspend your intelligence.

Good news is; he doesn't exist..

You say He doesn't exist? But that won't make Him seize to exist, even in your conscience. If you won't allow the Spirit who inspired the writers of the Bible to inspire you to understand, that's a complete waste of time. Your own intelligence has a finite perspective. My own intelligence has an eternal perspective - that's a huge difference.

Unfortunately that's the inevitable. Looking at the American Society today despite their rigid Christian background is now the capital of "Babylon". To think the majority of Nigerians (including Christians) swallow the American lifestyle undiluted, it's just inevitable that that's where the church in Nigeria is headed.
But it shouldn't stop the few genuine Christians who value Biblical Truths from preaching the right gospel to their wards and congregations.

GodWrites:
If you know what threat or blackmail is, you won't make this shallow comment.

Of course when it comes to the aspect of your Bible that makes men cringe, you and your lots fall back to understanding of the scripture or the faith..

I'm surprised you didn't ask me to call upon the holy spirit for understanding lol.

You said he doesn't force people?

If I tell you, love me or you die by hanging. Isn't that a choice? Am I forcing you? Don't allow those years of indoctrination blind you, open your eyes

How can a God create hell, ask you to love him or suffer eternity by his own very creation? Mehn.. That is the real definition of using fear to control.

Well, I can't really blame you for your lack of understanding because the majority of those who profess to be Christians still take their faith as a religion - fear of God's judgement.

But I'm sure you read what I posted up there about GENUINE CHRISTIANITY. A real Christian doesn't serve God or follow Christ out of fear of His judgement but out of full realization of His infinite Love. A real Christian will not follow Christ just to avoid eternal punishment but to fulfill God's purpose for creating him/her on earth - that's only when he/she will be truly and fully satisfied.

If you continue reading the Bible without His inspiration, you'll sure continue to misunderstand and misinterprete the Bible. That was how I used to read & study the Bible because I was born in a core Christian religious home. But when I stopped going to church and started studying the Bible prayerfully, then I started seeing the real side of God - LOVE.

As for hell, I already told you God didn't create hell for humans. You can only choose to accompany the devil to hell, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

GodWrites:
You've picked some aspects of your holy Bible that appeals to you.

Lemme do mine. Please don't skip a line, read to the very end.

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Mathew 25:46
These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.”

Mathew 1:50

And throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Mathew 25:41

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

There are lots of horrendous passages that I cant dig up now..

*****

The ascension of Saints into heaven, and the damnation of the evil ones into eternal lake of fire is the main message which thy religion carry and hold firmly.

It's a threat - a blackmail!

Before you i lay two paths, love me and be saved. Reject me and be casted to eternal suffering.

Where is love therein?

Isn't that a blackmail? Is that not a threat?

It's like saying, give me your car and live. Refuse and i shot you this gun. Or maybe another instrument of fear could he used by the robber anyway.. The fact remains, fear has to be used for control to be possible.

In the game of power, you lay two options and make the less desirable option very hard to pick.

Any love that comes with a condition is not love. Love me and be saved, if you don't you die.

Worship me and be saved, if you don't you die..

Work out your salvation with trembling..

Let he that thinks he stands take hid less he fall..

Parables where also used to intensify that fear. Like the parable of the rich fool and so many others.

Read your holy book and see FEAR written on almost every line.

There is no love in fear! Look within, why do you believe in God? You might find your brain spinning a bit.. That's cause your only reason is because of the cons..

Religion was created using the carrot and stick technique. I wish you can know beyond that tool of control you call Bible.

Your writeup shows absolute lack of understanding of the Christian faith. Genuine Christianity is based on LOVE not threats. The LORD God of the Bible is the Creator of all things and He has the ultimate right over His creations but He doesn't force humans to submission. On the contrary, the devil, the common enemy of all humans uses religion to keep humans in darkness (separation from God) with force.

As a human, you choose to embrace the love of God in Christ or choose to join the devil in rebellion against God - that of course leads to eternal damnation in hell prepared solely for the devil.

Humans and religion, creating and worshipping a god you want and desire

Janosky:
** I challenge Ucee to tell the NL Forum, why your "Jesus almighty God" is in heaven calling another Superior Being, "my God" and "my Father"? Rev 3:2,5.


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What's Jesus message to you in Rev3:12-14, 21?

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where was Jesus Christ when he made that statement ?

Jesus referred to His Father as "My God" when He was on earth, He is now in Heaven and still doing the same. That doesn't in any way make Him inferior as a BEING but only as the second PERSON in the triune God.

Of course you wouldn't expect God the FATHER to communicate direct with John when Christ the SON has already been revealed as the MOST HIGH GOD.

Cooperate madness. A lot of people are actually insane in this country, they're only waiting for the opportunity to display their madness at any slight provocation.

Only politicians and their cronies are the ones opposing this movement. It'll never be well with their descendants who follow after them

To think that the government sponsors these religious wastage including that of the Christians (which isn't even needed) with tax payers' money in a secular country like Nigeria is unpardonable. These politicians will even feed the devil just to continue to keep this diabolic system of government.
I believe one day, Nigeria will become a sane country where only the godly-minded are given opportunity for political leadership. Then all these present politicians, their families and cronies will pay for all the atrocities and injustices they have meted out to Nigerians.

kenny3937:
No one follows JDF without A PERSONAL REVELATION.

someone said and I quote "I think they emphasize too much on the WORKS you do to make you saved rather than the GRACE of Jesus Christ that gives salvation". Listen, Jesus SET YOU FREE, to be FREE INDEED, is completely UP TO YOU.

Check John 8:36
This is the main problem I have with you people - you don't teach from the Bible. Your teachers in JDF prefer to teach from their own ideas (which they call revelations) instead of using the Holy Bible as their spiritual compass. Any revelation you have as a child of God that doesn't align with His written Word is definitely not from God.

Christ has finished all the WORK for my freedom from SIN, SATAN, SICKNESS & SELF. All I do everyday is walk in that victory by FAITH in His finished work of GRACE. if you want to experience victory over SIN, you don't need to fight against it because Christ has overcome everything for us, you only need to appropriate that victory by FAITH through the power of the Holy Spirit in you.

Janosky:
Lying bingbagbo Pharisee grasping at straws.

Where you go hide from Matt 16:13-17. Act9:20. Romans1:1 & Rev 3:2,5 ?
They are overwhelming evidences of your Pharisaic,Anti-Christ status.

I understand it's still difficult for you to comprehend the TRUTH of Christ's BEING as God Almighty revealed to humanity in the PERSON of Jesus(The Son) because humans cannot apprehend God Almighty as He is in Himself (The Father) in His All Glorious Form.

Pray for understanding from the Holy Sprit when you study your Bible.

He just found an excuse to do what had bedeviled his mind. A rational mind can't just commit suicide for such a flimsy reason.

Every human has a conscience that can't be twisted. You can only agree with it or silent it, but it remains the only means to recognize the TRUTH.
Muslim scholars who believe they are intelligent enough always try to argue against Christ's deity and atonement with philosophical reasoning while they know that phylosophical conclusions don't align with spiritual realities, yet they claim their religion and Quran is a spiritual concept.

Dollarseeker:
Are you more sensible than Elizabeth...Mary is
acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit
and even before the birth of her son, as “the mother
of my Lord.” In fact, the One whom she conceived as
man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son
according to the flesh, was none other than the
Father’s eternal Son, the second Person of the Holy
Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly
“Mother of God. You are either not a full Christian or you don't understand your Bible very well. Most pastors knows about it but they won't preach about it because they want more congregation. But I strongly believe that very soon they will begin to preach it and make you guys understand, just as most Christians who didn't believe in the Trinity now does. Mary the mother of our Lord and saviour... smiles. Go and do a little research. don't listen to everything you are told, make your own research. Respect and honor Mary as the Mother of Jesus who is God (not worship her). If you don't believe that Mary is the mother of God(Jesus Christ), then you are simply saying that Jesus is not God, which is Heresy

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-can-mary-be-gods-mother

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/why-do-we-call-mary-mother-of-god/

https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-God

Did Jesus ask you to honour Mary as the "mother of God"? Mary herself was a desciple of Jesus Christ like Peter, John and the others. She was the vessel God used enter creation, yet we were never asked to give her any honour that is due God Himself.
Your Bible reference is just an excuse to continue worshipping Mary (even though you claim to only "honour" her) as the "mother of God", afterall you catholics pray to her statue.

Until Nigerians rise up and protest against these thieves raking in huge sums of money they don't work for, these megalomaniacs will continue to spit and poo on Nigerians. The national assembly should be on a earn-as-you-work basis and for part-time workers, only then will we see serious and professional people come into the national assembly

What do you mean by being born-again?

I wish we had a real Christian influencer like Manny in Nigerian Sports and politics

When PDP was in power did they do anything different? Pot calling kettle black

How I wish this message would sink very deep into the minds of today's Christian women. To be the backbone of a man is the primary role of every woman according to the Bible but Christianity today has joined the world to replace godly femininity with feminism.

Technology isn't a trap but a very good thing inspired by God Himself. But like every other good things God has inspired men to innovate, the devil's job is to hijack them to suit his evil purpose.

If you gather mourinho, gardiola, Klopp and pochetino together to coach the SE, we'll still get the same results. Our problem is not coaching but lack of development that can produce the likes of Mane, Salah and Mahrez

tartar9:
Lol This is rather dumb

Dumb to you because you're spiritually deaf, so get Life.

Whether he (Seun) admits it or not, God can't seize to exist. God remains I AM forever regardless of what anyone believes.

Sometimes you must stand still in order to get moving to where God wants you to go - D. A. McBride.
We humans are the ones always getting out of time, God the Creator of time is never in a hurry and His time is always best for us. Focus on what He is doing while you are prayerfully waiting, that is often His goal, where is taking you is often extra.

How I wish people would be so passionate about Christ and His Kingdom the way they throng fellow humans like this

God doesn't even want us to be looking for material wealth as genuine Christians. All Jesus preached was His Kingdom, seeking Him, seeking Him with all your heart and soul is all God wants from His children. Material wealth will come to those who God wishes to give not because you pray for it or worked for it, afterall worldly people are also blessed with material wealth.
So enough with all this financial prosperity messages and focus on building up the Kingdom of God in holiness and righteousness. Stop hanging your gospel faith and salvation around prosperity and start preaching contentment and sufficiency in God's Providence and Glory.

Respecting someone doesn't mean you shouldn't speak against him or oppose him when he does wrong or continuously does evil. This is the greatest undoing of Christian leaders (pastors) in Nigeria. Instead they welcome them with open hands into their congregations and dance around them like they are some gods. Imagine a pastor settling a rift between Atiku and Obasanjo when he should be criticizing them for being part of those keeping Nigeria in this mess of a system.

Medicine after death. Nigerian government at all levels is very useless and inept.

Abdulgaffar22:
@UceeGod and Maximus69


Truly, those upon whom the word of God has been justified will not believe even if ALL THE SIGNS should come to them- until they see a painful torment (Qur'an 10:96-97)



However, let me just to try for the last time to help you see how Christianity get it wrong based on its doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion ;


Premise 1; Atonement of sin through Jesus crucifixion is the ONLY SALVATION PLAN that God has designed for humanity .


Premise 2; Hence, the people who made this divine plan (i:e Jesus crucifixion) to be POSSIBLE (like Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus Christ and those who allegedly crucified him) has done a VERY GOOD JOB in the eyes of God who initiated the salvation plan and in the eyes of humanity who would benefit from this plan


Premise 3; Therefore, these people (i:e Judas Iscariot and his colleagues) really deserve THANKS and KUDOS from God and humanity ;

Of course a commissioner of police, who secretly release some armed robbers from their life imprisonment, deserve thanks and kudos from the robbers. Even if the robbers knew that what the commissioner has done is against the law, they will still give kudos and thanks to him. This is because their release from life imprisonment is far more important in the eyes of the robbers; just like salvation of humanity is far more important in the eyes of God and humanity.


Premise 4; But we know for sure that BETRAYERS and MURDERERS of an innocent and righteous soul (like Judas Iscariot and his colleagues) do not deserve any thanks and kudos from God and humanity .

Since there is inevitable CONTRADICTION between the Premise 3 and Premise 4, therefore, it follows that if Premise 4 is true then Premise 3 must not be true .

And if Premise 3 is not true then Premise 2 is also not true (this is because if Premise 2 is true, then Premise 3 must also be true).

Similarly, if Premise 2 is not true, then Premise 1 is also not true (this is because if Premise 1 is true, then Premise 2 must also be true ) .

And if Premise 1 is not true, then Christianity is also not true( this is because Christianity ASSUME Premise 1 to be true) .


Now tell us what is wrong with this analysis. In other word, which of the FOUR PREMISES explained above is logically not correct ?


If both of you are very sure that Christianity is true, then point out, with LOGICAL REASON, the premise that is not correct among the four premises cited above

Your logical reasonings are all based on philosophical assumptions. Christian logical reasoning is based on spiritual realities - that's what makes it TRUE FAITH. I can't go on explaining spiritual concepts to you because you'll never understand and your mind is already made up on your own prejudice.

Abdulgaffar22:
@UceeGod


1. John7:9 you cited is irrelevant to topic of discussion.

John 14:26 says; But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


Now tell us the difference between the "Holy spirit" mentioned above and the "Spirit of the LORD" made mentioned in the following verses of Old Testament;


The SPIRIT of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him. Judges 3:10


When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the SPIRIT of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying. 1st Samuel 10:10


Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and He took some of the SPIRIT that was on Moses and placed that Spirit on the seventy elders. As the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied Numbers 11:25


Then the SPIRIT of the LORD came on Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him.Judges 6:34



And the SPIRIT of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house. Judges 14:19



2. Genesis 22:14 says; So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided."
So where is the hint in this verse that Abraham was looking forward to ultimate sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross for salvation of humanity ?
Again you wrote ;
"and it pointed to the ultimate sacrifice when God would provide Himself(Christ), not an angel or a mere man but God Himself to save and redeem us"
Are you saying Jesus is God?
This is another problem in Christianity.
In John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is God Almighty, then which God was he referring to when he said ; "my God and your God" ? Can God Almighty have another God?
Also Luke 6:12 says "He (Jesus) went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God" .
If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself ?
Mark 10:17-18 says as follows ; "Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”.
If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and then submit that all goodness belongs only to God?
Again, in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”.
If Jesus is God, why did he confess his lack of knowledge about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to the Father? Can God be lacking anything as regard to knowledge ?


3. If the tearing of temple curtain implies the abrogation of Old Testament Laws, then Jesus has CONTRADICTED his original sayings for He said;
17. DO NOT THINK I CAME TO DESTROY THE LAW or the (way of the) PROPHETS. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18. For assuredly, I say to you,TILL HEAVEN AND THE EARTH PASS AWAY, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19. WHOSEVER THEREFORE shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)
(Please see how the phrase "WHOSOEVER THEREFORE " connects the three verses together. This implies that the "law or ( the way of) the prophets " talking about in verse 17 is the same thing with the "commandments " made mention in verse 19.
Hence, from these very verses , we learnt that any person that UPHOLD the law (i:e the commandments) and ask people to do the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven. And any person that SET ASIDE the law and ask people to do the same shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, it is totally a WRONG interpretation to proclaim that Jesus came to fulfil the law by his sacrificial death on the cross .


In another place,it is written as follows;
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the LAW (Luke 16:17 NIV).


In fact, when Jesus commanded the disciples to do everything preached by the teachers of the law, he did not say this command will be for a short period of time. He said
"The TEACHERS OF THE LAW and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to DO EVERYTHING they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach (Matthew 23:1-3 NIV)" .
Is there any indication in this verse that this command will end after Jesus ascension to heaven ? Certainly not!

Every interpretation you gave to your Bible quotations are diabolically wrong and out of context.

1. The modus operandi of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was to come upon (manifest presence of God) His people but in the new testament, He comes in (indwelling presence) to His people. The Holy Spirit never dwelt in anyone before Christ.

2. Genesis 22:14 was no HINT but CONFIRMATION that Abraham, Moses and other Jews of his day looked forward to an ultimate sacrifice by God Himself. Abraham didn’t name the place in reference to what he experienced, but he named it in view of what will happen in the future. He named it Mount Provision - Jehova Jireh and Moses confirmed by saying even in his own day, men looked at that hill and said, “In the Mount of the LORD it shall be provided.” it was on this same hill(Mount Moriah) that Solomon built the temple( 2 Chronicles 3:1) and on the same set of hills Jesus would later die on the cross. What other evidence are looking for unless you're going to turn a blind eye and cold heart to a glaring truth.
I know I have given you a plethora of evidence on another thread that Jesus Christ the Son of God is God Almighty in human form, a Self-revelation of God in human form and I'll not waste my time going back there because you have a penchant for turning your back on the truth no matter how glaring it is.

3. Jesus came, walked on this earth for 33yrs and fulfilled the whole law in its entirety, something no other human before and after Him had ever or would ever do. God gave the Jews the law He knows they'll never be able to keep, that's why provision for atonement was made available. Now, Jesus has fulfilled all the requirements of the law so that anyone who believes ( has FAITH) in Him will have His righteousness inputted in him - that's justification by GRACE. The law was the ABC of God's Principles, anyone who has the Spirit of God in his spirit doesn't need to look the law to be right with God; the Spirit behind the Precepts(law) is already in him guiding all his conducts according to God's Principles. So rendering the temple veil is a very significant event that all Christians(starting from the original apostles) know to be the end of God's covenant of law. Genuine Christians naturally keep to the PRINCIPLES behind PRECEPTS (law) which pointed towarda the PERSON (CHRIST) as they constantly follow the leading of the indwelling Holy Spirit who guides into all truth concerning the PERSON of Christ.