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Does anybody know where I can take classes in "Advanced Igbo"?

Now suddenly the word "Igbo made" is irritating to some people Na wa.

I remenber when I was little folks of other tribes used to throw jibe @ me. Anythiing that is of inferior quality they would call it Igbo made or even Aba made to piss me off. I am sure it was other tribes that coined that word to give a dog bad name. Even the guy that started this thread is not Igbo ( cos he used the phrase in a derogatory manner ) and now we are being accused of being tribalistic.

Make up ur mind people

@ Oyb

U are absolutely rite and that is the issue that needs a lot of addressing. I have known many muslims in my life time and honestly some of them do not approve of these killings. So, the question is wat is the difference between these muslims that are not fanatics to the point of violence and those that are violent? This brings us back to the point Wes was trying to make ( and she was labelled a teeny bopper ). Majority of the answers to the question lies in the socio economic levels of these people and also the educational level. Those that are violent (or are used for violence) tend to lean towards the poorer class. The almajiris constitute 90 percent of this class.

@ oyb

If I am obtuse to the fact, I would not be pointing it out, would I? 

Moreover, the pointing of fingers to other religion does not really solve the problem. Or am I obtuse the fact that this has been ur stance on this thread?

The issue is dat watever the christians , buddhist , Maoist, Atheist, Traditionalist etc have done before or are doing now is not the problem we are constantly having in the north. The problem we are having stems from the fact that some moslems in the north religiously believes that the murder of people of other faith will guide them to heaven. That is the issue @ hand. Ur posture of drawing the deeds of other religion into play is quite educating but in this context it is illogical and somewhat historical. It is like chasing a rat in ur house while ur roof is on fire.

@ posts

We seem to be missing the point once again. There is no basis for comparison here. The title of of the topic says " Northern muslims and bla bla bla. It did not say Northern christians, Southern christians nor Southern muslims . We should focus here, people. Something has gone wrong in the north and instead of trying to pass the dutch and look for justification , we should at least find ways to to understand wat is going on. That way we might start working towards a solution. Nobody lives on an island. Today it might be somebody's family family that is a victim, tomorrow it might well turn to be ur family that is a victim. It is like throwing stone in a market, u never know who it is gonna hit.

How old is Nairaland? Within this short life of Nairaland, how many times did this kind of topic rear its head. I am not talking about hypothetical discussions of terrorism , I am talking about real situations where people (men, women, children) have been killed in the guise of religion. The other day it was Abuja, yesterday borno, today kano, tomorrow it might be sokoto, all in the north.

nwando u seem to have been around in the north.


u r damn rite. Even before I knew the word homosexualism, I was very familiar with the dan dauda act in Kano. Altho at that time I did not fully understand the implications

Nneneigbo o na ado ogu obu nwannae mike tyson


Anyway, lemme go back some pages ka mu ghota ihe mega nu.

_{Going back some pages}

Why wont everyone know? _{I am off}

I honestly dont find it funny. Mara of fact I find it worth commending that some group of people , in the midst of all our problems, have the will power to start thinking on how to transform Nigeria from a wholly consumer nation to a manufacturing nation. These maybe baby strides towards that aim but at least it is a start. We can build on that. People are thinking and that is wat matters. It is better to think, make mistakes, get up and think again than not thinking at all. We are all talking about diversification, this is one way of doing that. I hope the Governmaent realizes it and supports the concept, not by compromising safety standards but by injecting thier input into the concept and making sure it reaches the acceptable safety level.
Honestly, in a serious country this is no joke. It is the future.

Tiwara my head?    Maka wetin 

presido1:
Tosh the thing kpara mu onu. ebe amusiri nwayi ike amazighi m ihe nwoke ga ekwu.
Mana ka osi na adi oga ewete the amu ka Tosh lee ma owu eziokwu.

@uche
i na aju ese nnenne, lekwa ka [i]ha tiwara gi ise ebea[/i anyway nnenne na aza quiz.

The guy dat created this thread is even somewhat condescending about it. Wat do U mean 'lol'? That we can not have a nigerian made car on the road?

Anyway, I completely understand the concerns and issues raised by some posters. They should not be shoved aside. The only way to move foward is by constuctive critcisms. If everybody is singing one song, the bandwagon effect comes in and complacency sets in.
If the vehicles see the lite of the day (and I hope it does) then the next thing on the agenda will be safety. However, we have to see the protoype first and hope that it is something we can build upon.

*just peeping***



Tosh, ole ebe nneneigbo nno.

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I am never the one to try and thrash one's beliefs as far as it is not posing a danger to other people. I am not against the muslims or wat they believe in (I have some muslim friends) I am just against the killings which has unfortunately become a staple in our country.

@ nwando

I have never opened a Koran in ma life but I hope U are not quoting out of context

@ almondjoy

If u can not appreciate that it is the justification of these actions that makes all the difference then u are a missing a very fundamental point. A christian, albiet a bad one, will not blow up a plane, loot and kill all in the name of God. A bad muslim will do that and say that Allah told him so and most importantly await for his reward in heaven (i hear someone say 70 virgins ) . So there is a bigger incentive here to do damage and the damage we are talking about here is murder.
And remenber we coined the word bad muslim to differentiate these fanatics ( which are in the majority by the way) from the moderate and more liberal minded muslims. Actually, the reverse is the case in the muslim world. The fanatics ( again they are the majority) see the moderate guys as sabotuers and fake muslims. They the fanatics are the true ones doing Allah's bidding. I hope u know about the beef tha bin laden has with Saudi Arabia?

@ David
Yeah, siRNA works well too. But depending on the efficiency of ur siRNA U would prolly @ best get up to 70% silencing of ur gene meaning that u would have some residual protein floating around. However, most times u are likely to see an effect if any gene is 70% silenced . Yeah that works, but gene knock out is the gold standard these dayz.

@ David

U r rite. That is the best scenario u will be hoping for. Live mice with a phenotype for a new protein almost equals to a publication. But if u cant get that , and most times u wont, u pray for an embryonic lethal gene. U can always go back to the embryos before they are born and see when they start dying and wat made them die. That w3ay u can still learn something about the gene.

The Cre system is a very difficult and tricky system to work with. However, my lab is lucky. We have a guy (kirk, a former member of the Capecchi lab). This guy can make a targeting construct with Cre and give u the mice in just a couple of weeks. He is dat good!!!!

@ almondjoy

Ol boy na wa for u oooooooooooooo!!!!!

The argument here, I believe, is dat the people who do these stuff are not muslims (bellotti et al). I am not going to come out here and tell u that those that christians dat fornicate (including moi) are not christians. We are christians but bad ones. The bible condemns it and most christians will not even try  justify it. The pastor will not tell u in his sermon To go Ye and Fornicate!!!
But the sitaution we are talking about is the justification of these murders. Anytime, these guys take the streets they always have one chant. They will be killing, looting and maiming and yet screaming allah akbar!!!!

@ David

My point exactly. The first knock out mice was made in 86/87 and since then it has revolutionised research in genetics. Recognition came after 20 something years!!!


Ur protein is lethal @ an early deveolpmental stage sounds like good news to me. U can always do a  tissue , temporal or spatial specific knock out of ur gene using the cre recombinase enzyme. U only worry when the knock out of ur favorite gene does nothing to the mice and the mice is normal.
Like my PI ( a former student of Mario by the way) will always say, normal mice bad, dead mice good

scambater:
You of You sucks. with all the little Mormon girls. Watch BYU kick your little butts next week

   

I am talking about Nobel laureates and u are talking about football games et al  

@ almondjoy
 
Clear as Wes thinking is, she is still wrong. In the northern part of Nigeria, the almajiris are definitely not in the minority. Like I said before, Fridays after the mosque thingy is always the most convenient take off time for most religious riots in the north. And this is always after some pep talk from the Imam

@ nwando

God punish U for there  Anyway, the U of U is not Stanford, UCLA or even MIT but it sure does pull its weight in Molecular Biology.


@ David
Yup. The Knock out guy, Mario Cappecchi!!!!!! Long overdue if U ask me.

Men, I do really like to react to all these intersting posts but my department is in a celebratory mood. Nobel Prize in medicine for one of our profs. Big party and everybody is getting drunk. Get back to the posts later.


@ Wes
U raised a valid point in ur last post  and plis dont mind the teeny bopper label ( ) . I really admire how u think given ur age.

Phew!!!!!

When will I go thru all these posts



@ bitryhyme
Laugh ma ass off.
U need to go to the proper thread

@ almondjoy
I somehow had the feeling that u are not a muslim so I am not surprised with ur recent posts. But I gat the impression that bellotti is one ( ) that is why I really wanna hear his take on this issue. Unfortunately, he just posted a very inconvincing post and left. I still really wanna hear from him.

That is exactly wat I do not understand. Anytime stuff goes down guys like bellotti will start telling U that these are not muslims. Who are these guys for heaven's sake? I am not sure if bellotti is aware of the menace of the almajiris in the north. These guys are supposed to be studying the koran , day in day out, under the tutorship of one mallam. That is all they do, apart from running errands for the mallam's wives, Koran day and night. It is these same guys that make up the core of the thugs used to unleash mayhem in the name iof Allah. Yet U say they are not muslims. These guys probably observe the 5 pillars of Islam more than u do, bellotti; so please do not say they are not muslims.

@  bellotti

I always like to hear an opposite point of view. That either strenghtens or weakens my own argument which is all good. You pointed the lack of knowledge preceding these killings. Well, do u care to educate us? And I cant resist asking , since when did previous issues justify subsequent murder?

Your point about the violence being localised is unfounded as well shocking to me. Shocking in the sense that U would rather see thewhole northern region erupt in crisis before u admit we have a problem. Unfounded in the sense that the so called localised violence always spreads to other parts, it is all a matter of time. Even world wars started with localised violence, so wats ur point? Let me give u an example, I was in kano when the violence of Reinhard Bonke (if u know the story) started. It started after the Friday worship in the central mosque and gradually spread to Taroni, Daurawa, this same tudun wada, Kofar ruwa, Kofar mata et al. It just started from a localised point and then spread to most of these areas. Only Sabon gari, especially around France Road was spared of violence and u should prolly know why. So I really dont get ur point


@ almondjoy
My point about the mosque and its worshippers was in  response to a post that declares all the pepetrators as non-muslims. If u call them bad muslims, misguided muslims , lazy and idle muslims I can relate with that. Not non- muslims because that is wat they are and wat they do they do in the name of Allah. I pointed out the mosque to subtly suggest that Imams also play a role in the violent engagements. Is there anything like a non-muslim Imam

If they r not muslims, wat r they?


How can u explain the fact that most of the religious crisis starts after a visit to the mosque on fridays

I hope this thread doesn't gradually slide into there is no God bullshit

@ laudate

Nwando, pointed out a solid point. Those who are in a position to deal with the issues of the almajiris are those that actually require thier services. So thats my whole point about this being a difficult situation to dissect. Religion and politics have been so intricately entwined in the north that u actually cant tell where one starts and where one ends. Thats what makes it so difficult. The northern elite know that they can always use Islam as a stimulant to get peeps to do thier bidding and the almajiris just thinks that they are doing Allah's bidding. In between the wiles of the politcal class and the crass naivety of the almajiris, a whole lot of damage is done especially to the christians living up there. It is a sad, sad situation.

Your solution is really logical. Educate the masses but then it would really take a very brave government to do that. Dont ask me if the the present govt is brave enuff

You know this is a really tough situation to dissect. Islam as some posts have justifiably pointed out was spread by the sword and it seems that trend has followed it till date. However, the situation in the north is kinda of different. The northern elite most of the times use this as a ploy anytime they deem fit. These guys dont care about Islam and its teachings, they only see that as tool to perpetrate watever agenda they have in mind.

Laudate, U asking for a solution. It is gonna be hard to come by cos this habit has eaten very deep. But I know one thing, and U can ask that of any person who had or is living in the north, if the issue of almajiris in the north is not addressed then the north will know no peace in terms of religious crisis. These almajiris (and they make up a sizeable number of the populace) serve as canon fodder for the elites of the north.

Anas M.I:
God forbid, I don't Know how such kind of immoral act are taking place in such a city like kano where it leaders are always shouting and telling their people that they are trying to bring peace and tranquility. yes they are doing their best. but need more than that. Allah ya kyauta.

Kano has seen its own fair share of religious troubles. No be today e start.