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what would i do if i were in his shoes?. . . I'd start an IT consulting business!. . .

for instance, there are several hospitals in Nigeria that still make use of paper files, i'd offer them a fully networked system, with an easy to use software connected to an intranet. . . .You get to provide them updates every 6 months.

Your flat fee, including the cost of obtaining computers and wireless network is 240,000.  They get a 10 percent discount and 2 free upgrades if they can provide you with 5 references.

etc etc. . .

Your friend should abandon the dreams of being an oil engineer, i hate to sound pessimistic, but it might be much easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for him to find an employer willing to employer a 32 years old with 3 years gap, doing nothing, on his CV!

Additional Phd and MSc without a solid experience, amounts to nothing but a bloody waste of valuable time. . .and what is he going to do with the pali after  getting it by hook or crook?  eat it?

mekaboy:

when your 90yrs and all your friends are dead, what are u waiting for? u die with them

You have no idea, especially when death just happens to have passed you over, waking up every morning with no one to love will be the saddest thing one can ever experience!

kandiikane:
^^^Have the "money and contribution to humanity" you have made look after you

No one will give two knocks about the boring old woman next door, who gave all her money away, only to sleep alone in the cold dead of the night!

There's no greater joy in growing up than seeing your loved ones springing up like beautiful sunshine!----Imagine how proud your parents must be thinking about you, imagine how lovely it must feel if even when you are 90 and frail, you have beautiful looking kids screaming "Grandma"!!!

If you don't get married, what are you going to do with your life when you are ninety and all your friends are dead

This is why people get married v
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enyojo:
I checked to see who actually took that thread to the Frontpage and I found:
Today at 07:52:11 AM - Seun - Tinubu Disowns The 'Attack' On HID Awolowo
But come to think of it, being a Moderator, Supermoderator or Owner doesnt make these hard-working Nigerians super-humans. Moreover, your grammatical analysis is suspect. Nonethelesss thanks for fighting 'National illiteracy'.

I know, i was just looking to ruffle up a few feathers!

TINUBU DISOWNS [/b]THE ATTACK ON HID AWOLOWO

Free English Tutorial for MODS:

When you use[b] disown in a context, the object should take the place of a Proper noun!

It's not heard of in the history of grammar to disown an "action".  The verb "disown" is commonly used in the context of parents regarding their children and can also be used of children regarding their parents or siblings!

"Tinubu denies the attack on HID Awolowo" makes for better written/spoken English.



PS.  This is a part of my personal initiative to combat national illiteracy.

Nonsense and ingredients

How is it that all the attacks were eventually directed at Tinubu?

Mr A wrote a piece in a column

Mr B gets attacked from all corners!

You often wonder why several Nigerians find it hard to think, many people are too happy to nail one for another's woes!!!

Such an irresponsible piece!

Tribune has just stepped from the lows to the lowest of lows!

whatever happened to those days when Journalism was independent and completely free of bias?. . . It's disappointing to be honest!!!

^^^

Can't you see we are on the same page?

aribisala0:
do you see that dog chasing the bus? what's he gonna do when he catches it ,drive it??

classic!!!

Give yout US rants a rest and focus for one bit on the truly african side of the problem

Africa has no problem, it's the west that has come with helicopter gunships and massive tanks to steal our land that is the problem!.  How can you not see this?

The other day, i saw an american hold a gun to the head of one poor bloke in Ijebu Igbo. The American threatened to kill him if he doesn't give up his family lands, the poor bloke has no choice but to oblige. We can't let this continue!!!

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=689028.msg8519445#msg8519445 date=1308084204]^^ Violent is in sarcasm mode bro. [/quote]Me sarcasm ke? lai lai!

I mean every word i say, i have no time for sarcasm!

I am recruiting a massive army to help fight against the west!. . .we shall call it THE GREAT ARMY OF MOTHER AFRICA (GAMOA)

You have a chance to save africa, join the movement now!. . .People like Kobojunkie will never understand, sometimes i wonder if she just likes hearing the sound of her own voice!!

so what's up with you? how bodi, my brother

bodi dey oooo

so are you joining the movement? you ve got to put your money where your mouth is, we need to raise an aggressive campaign to save our continent from western invasion

I am particularly worried about the West stealing our kids , we can't afford to let that happen!

virgo:
Walahi, it is a big shame. The funny thing is that the educated blacks who get to international organizations like World bank and IMF become more ignorant of the Western ploy to exploit the continent. Seems to me that the more educated these guys get, the more foolish they become. See Ouattarra in Ivory Coast. A former employee of IMF and a mere puppet for "father France" who will no doubt gladly hand over the country back to be pillaged to help develop France and give the white man his chocolates. Bunch of nitwits!

Exactly the point I've been making all along, It's quite disturbing how the educated ones, whom we place a high degree of trust, could not see how the west plan to exploit the continent.

The west keep giving Haiti millions of pounds in relief aids since the unfortunate earthquake, who told them Haiti needs their money?  It's pretty obvious that someone in Washington or 10 dowing street, intends to buy up  Haiti one day and make the country a big golf course . . . . ., how people who claim to be intellectuals could not see this is way beyond my imagination. . . . .

you can imagine how disturbed i was when i learnt of the commercial agriculture development program and the earthcare solid waste composting projects being pioneered by World Bank in Nigerian states!. . .what the f*** was our government thinking to allow those rats in our country?  Is it not obvious they are after the oil?. . . we must keep the oil more securely from henceforth, we wouldn't want to wake up to a horrifying tale of how our oil wells disappeared over night, thanks to the World bank

The west interference in Africa must stop!!!!. . .we don't need their help!!. . .If America stops being our biggest trade partners, we can always sell our exports to Ghana, or Benin republic, and we will still be as happy as we've always been!!!

well, keep up the spirit and make sure to infect your friends with it. maybe then we might have a revolution in nigeria against shell oil company

That's the spirit my sister!!!

yea I knew he was being sarcastic.
I was just pointing out the irony that most nigerians don't even think that way. it would have been better if we actually thought that way.
imagine even our educated Ngozi Nwela. I was embarrassed hearing her giving a speech where she was using an analogy of western countries as our 'parents' and we as the 'children'. how can you stand up to western exploitation if you consider westerners to be your parents?
and when the whole paternalistic mentality has been internalized in us

Me sarcastic ke? lai lai!!

I was flowing with you jare!. . all these western antics to dominate Mother Africa must stop, and it is the responsibility of you and me to point out these horrible, shameful plot!!!!

We have to stand up for our continent, we have to stand up against the west, lest they begin to export our huts and farmlands!!!! we can't afford to let that happen!!!!

We have to fight against an obvious 21st century invasion!. . .America is planning to steal our crops and our kids, they are planning to take our oil wells in their big ships down to Washington and Chicago, we can't afford to let that happen, we must fight for our lands!!!

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=689028.msg8518976#msg8518976 date=1308078749]ironically, the average nigerian does not think this way and that is partially why nigeria is the way it is today.
the average nigeria will lick any white man or woman's butt and not recognize the source of exploitation when it is staring them in the face.
even our leaders are #1 puppet to the west.

imagine western companies finding it so easy to infiltrate government ranks and turning national decisions in their favor. that is mumu to the highest order because I don't know what else it could be.  i'm talking about the wikileaks thing[/quote]I agree with you o my sister, all these foreign companies spreading filth like flies everywhere, imagine our President going to visit Obama, for what? can't Obama visit our President too? Imagine the way Shell dey control our government, like say na Britain dey run us by proxy, na wa ooooooooo This is na how slavery dey start oooooo!!!!

Again, the spirit of our ancestors no go make them rest, Africa must be free!!!!!. . .together you and me, we go join hands chase this people comot from our land. We go keep those lands well well for our children and children's children!!!!

[size=14pt]Mother Africa[/size] must be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

May he rest in Peace, no one's going to get out of this life alive anyway, death comes to us all in the end!

When you grow up, then you can get married!

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=689028.msg8518630#msg8518630 date=1308075528]which one is Gatwick Airport? how many foreign airports did we buy?

If you look at the title of the post you will see that the first line is "Africa is Mumu Inc"
to me that is the most important line in relation to this topic.
basically the argument is that we are allowing western countries to exploit us. and not rising up to resist it. why?
why aren't we resisting the land grabbing? why are we letting history repeat itself?[/quote]true talk o my sister.  this Oyinbo people self, dem just like to dey exploit us sha, God no go gree for them!. . .the spirits of our ancestors no go allow make dem rest!. . .kai!!! which kain nonsense self.

We must fight this o. . . .you and me together, we go fight kon save mother africa commot from dia hand!

Lailai to slave trade. . .na 21st century be this!!

Newsflash::  Nigerian Buys Gatwick Airport!

Nairalanders Reaction:: "Great News, . . . . .hurrayyyy,. . . . . good stuff, . . . . .what an outstanding feat"!


Newsflash::  European Investors to invest in Real estate lands in Africa

Nairalanders Reaction:::  "No wayyy!!!". . .21st century colonization,. . . . . white man don come again",. . . .  "modern day slavery", . . . . ."they are grabbing our lands",. . . "they are stealing our food", . . . "save mother africa"

Nope, i can't!

For me, speech and seamless communication is primary, looks only come a distant second!

morpheus24:
@ violent

I agree with most of your previous posts cept this one regarding ethics. It is extremely important to note that companies cannot make a profit without taking something away from the societies they operate in. Therefore in order to be given the PRIVILEDGE and consent to function within these societies that often have moral, legal and natural rights of resources, an[b] EVEN [/b] and ethical exchange is required.

Exploitation must be compensated accordingly and in this is way the concept of ETHICs becomes necessary in business. It is not necessarily driven by religious or sentimental thinking but intrinsinc moral values we are born with.

The issue regarding this matter then becomes what sort of deal are Africans via their government getting out of this. Is it fair and equitable? Does it recognize and tackle the issue of long term sustainable growth via transfers of technology and expertise.

Our suspicions and distrusts stem from our perception of our so called representatives_ Government who are supposed to act in our interests. Therefore the solution lies in continuing to ask questions and inquire about details concerning these deals. The days of secret hand shakes are over in this information age.  The past century has seen Africa excluded from the global trade arena and this has stifled growth and created barriers for advancement. It is necessary to intergrate but advance cautiously so as not be over exploited. It is paramont that we do this for our long term survival.

You probably took more meanings to the religious part of my statements than i intended to portray.  Of course, looking at things from a consumer point of view, ethics is important for the soceity at large, when businesses adhere to strict code of ethics, as consumers, we benefit!
What about from a business owner's point of view?. . .A business's aim is to maximize profit, and yes, even if that mean that the rest of the society has to be at the recieving end.  

Is this practise healthy?----absolutely not!. . .just the reality, cold and simple!

I remember while working at 7up botltling company for my Industrial attachment in my undergrad.  I witnessed a situation where some dudes were told to offload a full truck full of sugar at the price of 5 naira per sack carried. . .boy, when I'm talking of sack, you should be thinking of something in the range of 35kg.  This is unethical and exploitative from a consumer point of view, but the managers sees it as cold business.  Their objective is to maximise shareholders profit as best as they can, even if that meant going against code of ethics, as long as they aren't caught in the process.

Again, is this a good thing?---depends on which side of the coin you' re on!!!

Goldmansachs pays it's shareholders returns that dwarf other businesses in its categories, Goldmansachs engage in lot's of internal trading and sells products that are often times misleading to customers---is this practise healthy?  from a consumer's point of view, it's a horrible thing to do, but if i were sitting on the board and my take home pay is tied closely with every little profit made by the company, why should i care if the government isn't saying a thing?

Oceanic bank gives out large loans without due process, it makes money from keeping it's high networth client's loyal and it realizes their are good chances that these customers might be lost to competition if not satisfied.  What do this customers want?. . .loans without collateral and a system that keeps EFCC away from investigating their accounts.  If granted, the bank will be going against standard ethics, but the bank knowing fully well that it is in it to maximise profit and keep customers loyal, goes against this ethics anyway, afterall, the government is not looking!!!!
Is this a good thing?  from a consumer point of view, absolutely not, it's horrible for the bank to play games with people's deposit and overleverage themselves.  From the Bank's point of view, why should we care, we are making good money and the government is not complaining. . . win win for us!!!

Again. ethics, though is a good thing for the society at large, is always a burden to Businesses and investors. . . .and if they find themselves in a place where the government does not enforce it's own rules, why the h'ell should they care?. . .they are in it for profit, plain cold and simple, the government should take care of its own!!!

If for example, it's a good thing for me to pay taxes like a good citizen should do, but if the government won't complain in a case where i refuse to pay taxes, why the hell should i pay taxes if i could keep it all to myself?.is it a good thing not to pay taxes . . from an ethical point of view, absolutely not!!!. . .but from my own point of view, why the hell should I?

It's the government responsibility to ensure that businesses adhere to strict codes of ethics and conduct, if the government does not live up to this responsibility, business owners have no imperative to give back to the society like they should!

190:
But why cant they BOMB NIGERIA i mean why cant Nigeria Bomb them

This guy, you dey crase, i can't believe the dude was answering you!

***continues singing quietly***

Make you hear this one [sax responses]
War against indiscipline, ee-oh

Na Nigerian government, ee-oh
Dem dey talk ee-oh
“My people are us-e-less, My people are sens-i-less, My people are indiscipline”

Na Nigerian government, ee-oh
Dem dey talk be dat
“My people are us-e-less, My people are sens-i-less, My people are indiscipline”

I never hear dat before- oh
Make Government talk, ee-oh
“My people are us-e-less, My people are sens-i-less, My people are indiscipline”

Na Nigerian government, ee-oh
Dem dey talk be dat
Which kind talk be dat- oh?
Craze talk be dat ee-oh
Na animal talk be dat – oh
Na animal talk be dat – oh

[CHORUS] MANY LEADERS AS YOU SEE DEM
[CHORUS] NA DIFFERENT DISGUISE DEM DEY-OH
[CHORUS] ANIMALS IN HUMAN SKIN
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I PUT-U TIE-OH
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I WEAR AGBADA
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I PUT-U SUIT-U

These disguising leaders ee-oh, na wah for dem [sax responses after each]
Dem-o hold meeting everywhere, dem reach America
Dem call the place, the “United Nations” [sax responses after each]
Hear-oh another animal talk
Wetin united inside “United Nations”?
Who & who unite, for “United Nations”?
No be there Thatcher & Argentina dey
No be there Reagan & Libya dey
Is-i-rael versus Lebanon
Iran-i-oh versus Iraq-i
East West Block versus West Block East
No be there dem dey oh- United Nations
Dis “united” United Nations
One veto vote is equal to 92 […OR MORE, OR MORE]
What kind sense be dat, na animal sense (2x)

[CHORUS] MANY LEADERS AS YOU SEE DEM
[CHORUS] NA DIFFERENT DISGUISE DEM DEY-OH
[CHORUS] ANIMALS IN HUMAN SKIN
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I PUT-U TIE-OH
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I WEAR AGBADA
[CHORUS] ANIMAL-I PUT-U SUIT-U
*(2x- 2nd time with lead voc)

Dem go hold meeting, oh, Dem go start yab human beings
Animal talk don start again
Dash dem, human rights

Dem go hold meeting, oh, Dem go start yab human beings
Animal talk don start again
Dash dem human rights

*****now singing Fela, quietly*****

Ah- Let’s get now into another, underground spiritual game
Just go to help me the answer, go to say, “Aiya-kata”- Oh ya

O’feshe-Lu
[CHORUS] AIYA-KATA *(after each line)
O’feshe- g’Ba

O’feshe-Woh
[CHORUS] AIYA-KATA *(after each line)
O’feshe-Weng
Aiya kata
Aiya Koto
Aiya Kiti
Aiya Kutu

O’feshe-Lu
[CHORUS] AIYA-KATA *(after each line)
O’feshe- g’Ba


Oh-----,

Basket mouth wan start to leak again, oh-
[CHORUS] BASKET MOUTH WAN OPEN MOUTH AGAIN, OH
Abi** you don forget I say I sing, ee-oh **(is it not)
[CHORUS] BASKET MOUTH WAN OPEN MOUTH AGAIN, OH
Oh, I sing, I say, I go my mouth like basket, ee-oh, Malan Bia-gbe-re
(stanza 2x)

The time weh I dey, for prison, I call am “inside world”
The time weh I dey outside prison, I call am “outside world”
Na craze world, na be outside world


Na be outside- da police-i dey
Na be outside- da soldier dey
Na be outside- da court dem dey
Na be outside- da magistrate dey
Na be outside- da judge dem dey
Na craze world be dat
Na be outside- Buhari dey
Na craze man be dat
Animal in craze-man skin-i
Na craze world be dat
Na be outside- Idia-gbon dey
Na craze man be dat- oh
Animal in craze-man skin-i
Na craze world be dat
Na be outside- dem find me guilty
Na be outside- dem jail me five years
------------------I no do nothing

okooyinbo:
Violent, dont bring in that bolded part when you are discussing with me, because I do not belong in the category of such conspiracy theorists. I am a proud German citizen, so I am not against Oyinbo buying up land in Africa.

Now to the main discussion: Our "African" governments have got responsibilities to protect our interest quite right. However, that does not absolve any company from also behaving responsibly. As a matter of fact, a lot of companies in the WEST are very conscious of not generating bad publicity. If these companies and universities endowment fond have been behaving responsibly, why are they maintaining closed lips on their investments. Ofcourse they would because they got the deal in an ethically not approvable ways. And dont tell me there is no ETHICS in business.

And to the arguement about the IMO guy

Companies are established to make only one thing!---Profit, pure and simple!. . . Ethics are the reasons we have churches, mosques and our mums.


The definition of Ethics and responsibility is that of the government!. . .Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest Investment Banks in the world, and if there's anything GS is known for, it is that their unethical ways of conducting business!

A business man gives no shyt about ethics, as a matter of facts, ethics on several cases only come in the way of business and where crude profits could be made.  The government ought to recognize this fact and enforce business rules to ensure that business don't operate out of ethical codes.  In cases where the government fails in his responsibility to do this, you can hardly apportion blames to businesses.

It's simple, if you don't tell me not to do it, I will simply assume that it isn't wrong and i'd go ahead to do it anyway, as long as it brings in cold cash for me!---that's business my friend, nothing personal!

Have you done business in China? The land in China belongs to the GOVT. Even if you pay for it, it is not yours. There are rules stipulated by the chinese if you want to do business in their country. Their rules favour technological and know-how transfers, which is one of the reasons they have made tremendous industrial development in a space of 60 years.

It's usually a common law that land is explicitly owned by the federal government and can be recalled at any time, we have such in our constitution too.  For the upteenth time, Investors are under no obligation to look out for what is best for your country, that's the job of your federal government.

The thing a lot of people who are against these kind of deals are saying is not that your Texas guy should not buy land. The onous is on the policy makers to avoid a situation whereby people that have been farming a land for centuries are displaced without any compensation or alternative means of livelihood. Or that the choicest of arable land be given to some few individuals wether foreign or local. It is just not right.

Do you suppose it's cool if a random guy from Imo State buys a large expanse of country estate in the US to start a wine manufacturing business?. . .
Some Nigerian guy buys Gatwick Airport and it's plain smart business, but when an Oyinbo pays for a plot of land, it becomes invasion of the 21st century, modern slavery and shyt?

Owners can't find much use for their lands and their are buyers that are stand by to pay for it, the only thing that is wrong in this case is that those buyers are Oyinbo and they ve come to export African lands to their countries?  ridiculous!!!

Kobojunkie:
^^^ Not to remove from what you have there, I felt this was also necessary .  . .

very appropriate!


[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=689028.msg8514019#msg8514019 date=1308014796]@Violent. Exactly, those points you raised are the reasons why I'm worried and I suspect same for several people here.

If we don't fix those things we are not benefitting Zilch from these land deals.[/quote]I see the point of your arguments, but i don't think it's the same argument others are making.

Our leaders are our worst nightmares!

1. Are we sure that the job will provide any increase in standard of living?  ( think about fishing before Crude Oil in Niger delta, are they living better now?)

2. Can Mr. Chinaman/investor invest in technology and skill transfer if he already bribed Mr. Governor to seal the deal and still bribes him to sustain it? (remember the oil industry)

3. Can Mr. Chinaman be trusted to walk away quietly from a forceful seizure of land or can you trust him not to manipulate our unstrusctured corruption prone system to keep himself and his investments secure( think Shell, Chevron, remember the spies in our Oil Ministry according to wikileaks?)

4. Can a China or USA with their massive world geo-political influence be trusted to pursue altruistic endeavors when they can easily manipulate a corrupt weak system?

5. Can you trust these leaders to protect the interest of our people?

No sensible land ownership system, an oppressive land act which gave ownership to a corrupt  Government and pressure from Shylock investors is a recipe for more suffering. We've been down this road before several times

The issue is not about fear mongering or an aversion towards investment.

In a sane society with well crafted systems we can leverage these interests and benefit immensely from it, but I see no system in place and I see little pressure on our leaders to get one running. That is why I'm worried. Resources are scarce and our competitors are not dumb Mother Theresas.

If I'm China, Korea or USA I will do exactly what they are doing. It is not my fault that other folks are silly. So we need to work on fixing the stuffs above plus other issues, else we'll keep getting ra/pe/d royally. It is what it is.

Your questions are intelligent, but as you know, there are always two point to every deal.

Mr Chinaman is a businessman, in the line of Business, you only look after one person, YOURSELF!!--- our government is responsible for us, and the onus is on us to elect more responsible leaders into government, who can source for better deals and act with selfless serving attitude for the good of the country.

There's no way you can ever trust a foreign investor completely, think about what would happen if the US operates a lax tax systems?. . . .it's simple, investors will flock in and milk the system for what it's worth, but in a case where the US doesn't, the country gets a lot from investors and grows itself with the proceedings.

In China, the government operates a policy such that every foreign company must employ a certain number of Chinese citizen, this ensures that unemployment rates is better managed and kept in check. 
As for countries being able to keep companies in check, i believe this comes down still to the country's diplomatic approach at handling situations.  America could hardly deal with BP after the mass pollution of it's aquatic life, it will likely keep the card as a joker for future negotiations.

Foreign companies or not, our development as a nation has more to do with the leaders we have and how selfless they are in service of the nation!