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I think its got to be either George Weah or Roger Milla.

Weah had a fantastic club career but, (not his fault) a forgettable
international career.

Conversely, Milla did it at international level but his club career
was not so notable.

However, my personal favorite of all time was/is the one and only JAY-JAY.
When he was on his game he was a joy to watch.
I also loved watching Adokie Amesiemaka. Older members will remeber him.

fatliar:
@mrpataki
am talking from experience last year 3 of my cousins appealed while d other 2 re-applied
at d same time
after one month visa was issued to d ones that re-applied while d other 3 waited for 7 months for d appeal to come
out at d end of the day dey where refused
with stupid reasons

Whether one re-applies or appeals is all dependant on the individual circumstances of each case.
Having said that, what I would say to anyone refused a visa is always consider re-applying after
you have addressed and corrected each of the reasons for the refusal. Don't necessarily jump
straight to a long drawn out appeal.

For example, if you are refused because you supplied photocopies rather than original documents
then re-apply with the originals rather than going to appeal.

mrpataki:
@ ainkay,
Just try and relax a bit, even your apprehension is really trying to break down the walls of nairaland. Just joking

Sorry I just came here, am most vibrant under the religion thread.

I need to understand some things here,
1. Who filed your appeal?
2. Did you request for an oral hearing on your case?
3. Where did you submit your appeal to, was it the BHC or loughborough direct?
4. If it wasan oral hearing you demanded for, why did you submit the original documents to them, or rather which original documents did you submit?

Let me just add this that, looking at your case, if your documents are genuine, then you have no cause to worry.

As to the requirement from the AIT reference letter to you,Since your sibling is going to represent you as your witness, I guess the AIT needs him/her to write a statement as to your case, stating the validity of your case and authenticity of such claim, which they will use in deciding your case.
I guess you will have to re-send your documents to them (photocopies) i mean the AIT peeps, this time, you have to articulately state out your documents in numerical form, the essential documents are to be the order of priority. As well include those that have been withheld by the HC, in the list too.

I guess my other Seniors can further help out. But i think this is what is required of you at the moment.
Definitely when you were filing your appeal, you had not given them all the required information that will expedite your case in time.


Even your case sounds similar to Muyiwabanks

I think MrP has pretty much covered everything. The only thing I would add is that it would be helpful if you
added a witness statement to your bundle signed by you and setting out your case.

MR P

Prima facie Imani would appear to qualify for SEGS.
Most, if not all PG masters programmes fall within
the current rules if started after May 2006. I believe
Imani started her current programme just this academic
year.

@ Imani

Have you heard of the SEGS and TWES schemes?

Hi Akolawole,

I realise there is no compulsion on behalf of the ECO and this is why I used the word REQUEST and not demand.
and I used the phrase "they don't of course have to give it to you, "

@ Muyiwabank,

My brother cool down and ensure you read your correspondence.
Until your last post you said you had till 09/01/07 to enrol, it now
appears it is in fact 09/02/07.

Of course you can use the e-mailed letter from the BHC, just print it off,
why do you need to scan it first?

Imani:
I posted a topic https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-35459.0.html, where i need expert help. Please check and i would like some feedback if it is not too much trouble. Thanks

I did see this at the time you posted it and I was going to respond but got sidetracked.
If you give me a couple of days or so, I will respond.

I think there might be something that would help you but I need to get to my office
to do a bit of research.

R u a big brother fan?

Imani:
@VOR,


Do u know something about the complicated british immigration rules?,

A bit more than the average man in the street.
Why do you ask?

muyiwabank:
all the experts in the house, please respond to my question

can i use the scanned enrolment letter?

Read my last post again, particularly para 2.
If you have a letter giving you till 9/1/07 to enrol
(today is 18/01/07) then you stand a good
chance of being refused a visa regarless of your
appeal success because you do not have a valid acceptance letter.

Get the university to e-mail you or the BHC if necessary confirming
they are willing to keep your place open until some date in the future.

Muyiwabank.

Funkybaby is right. Do NOT wait for the 28 days, request they grant you the visa straight away.
They don't of course have to give it to you and they can and probably will insist on the time for appeal to lapse.
There is no harm in trying, all they can say is no.

Also, I note that you stated the school you will be attending has given you till 9/1/07 to enrol.
Is that correct? If it is then you will definitely have to approach your school and obtain a letter
from them stating they are still willing to accept you on your course for this year.
The ECO can still refuse you your visa if your circumstances have changed to your detriment.
The fact you no longer have a valid letter of acceptance is a perfect excuse for them not to grant you the visa
so bear this in mind.

big_bumper:
@ funkybaby

Vor's right to say that there is no law to prevent one from making a fresh application for entry clearance. Even if you have twenty appeals pending, you are still allowed to apply for further entry clearance until you are blue in the face and it will not prejusdice your previous application.

An applicant may hold more than one valid entry clearance, e.g. a regular traveller already holding a two or five year multiple visit visa can be issued with an entry clearance for a short term work permit.

Considering the fact that your friend that was deported from Heathrow to MMA, had a valid entry clearance (visiting visa), she could have requested for what I believe is called an in-country apeal(correct me if I'm wrong anyone), for being refused leave to enter. At least rather than going back to Nigeria, she would have been allowed into the UK to lodge her appeal against refusal of leave to enter.

Big Bumper(the mind boggles )

What you say about making a fresh application for entry clearance is correct. But,

Each application is supposed to be considered on its individual merit but In
practice any previous application and the reasons for any refusal is always
considered. If the reasons for your previous refusal still hold or there has
been no real change in your circumstances then the likelihood is you will be
refused again.

With regards to an appeal where you have been refused leave to enter the UK,
You are correct in saying a person with a visa has a right of appeal and can stay
in the UK whilst the appeal is heard.

Once again there is a BUT.

And that is that the UK authorities have the power to detain you in a detention
centre pending your appeal.They will do so if they believe there is absolutely
no merit in your appeal and you are likely to run away and not return.
The power to detain in these circumstances is noy used often but it is a possibility.

Personally, I would advise anyone in such a situation to appeal. If they decide to detain you
you can always change your mind if you do not wish to be a guest in one of her majesty's houses.

For me it worked out, for the lady I worked with and ended up going out with is my wife.
We have the most beautiful child from our union.

I would however say that it certainly enhances the relationship if you don't work together.

kobesosimi:
Last Poster Wrote"
"Hope this helps, and by the way I actually agree that Ghanaian educated people, in general speak better English."

I started fuming with fury as I stumbled across this topic.

@ last poster
I dare not eloquently dismiss your biased opinion, I'd feel humbled if you can incorporate a brief summary/narrative of the thoughts that established your perspective. It just seems so shallow (unless of course you can present an incontrovertible evidence).

This discussion is like
O da bi igba ti eeyan ba npon omi si inu apere. Ko lee kun.

Kobe,

Sorry I really don't have the time to do what you suggested.
It is a personal opinion I have from speaking and interacting
with the nationals of both countries.

You of course may have your own opinion which is different to mine, which
of course you are perfectly entitled to hold.

Just by the way, have you never heard of the SIMPLE ENGLISH campaign? If not
then I suggest you visit this site http://www.badlanguage.net/?feed=rss2&p=324
and others freely available on google. Your posting though sounding impressive
with all the big words is not how to write English in this day and age.

Sorry, the last sentence you wrote is written in a language I can't read so I am
unable to respond to it.

okwanuzo3:
I'd never leave my kids alone with a househelp, because if anyone molested my child, I'd be sure to make the world short of one sinful being. But the grown men only think these girls are good behind closed doors, don't think it's right

I was thinking more along the lines of you having a 14/15 year old son and then keeping a maid of
16+ in the house. Let me tell you if your son is not the shy and retiring type(like i was) and the
maid is up for it, e go happen.

okwanuzo3:
Why don't the males who sleep with the housegirls date them, take them out and flaunt them? (minors excluded), if they don't consider it grotesque and shameful. Why don't they marry them?
I see no difference between that and slave masters who used to molest black women in private, when half caste come commot, they go do like say na magic.

You are looking at things in a rather naive and simplistic fashion.

Surely you wouldn't consider marrying every person you
ever sleep with or slept with. If so, then it is no different
than not marrying or going out with the maid.

As I have said previously I am totally against non-consensual
sexual relations but in my case the maids I lusted after were often
older than me. I was just a shy wee nipper with an unsatisfied
sexual lust.

Piece of advice for you Okwanuzo, if you have male children
try to avoid getting a nubile female help if possible.

Apologies for turning this into an immigration thread. But please indulge me while I answer Easy.

Easy,

You would only be British in the circumstances you have mentioned if;

a) You were born in the UK prior to 31/12/82.

B) You were born on or after this date but lived here as a child for more than 10 years
and were registered as a British national.

c) Whilst you were still a child either of your parents became a British National or acquired
settled status. i.e indefinite leave to remain.

Hope it is clear now.

Easyy:
Thanks Mamaput.

As I stated, my remarks were with regards to a normal situation of legality.

Cheers anyway

Easy,

You are wrong in your contention and I will illustrate to you why.

Take the case of two Nigerian students in the UK, (they are both legal residents in that they hold valid student visas),
the wife has a child born in the UK. Is that child British?

Under the current immigration act the answer will be no.

As of 31/12/82 someone born in the UK did not NECESSARILY acquire automatic UK citezenship.

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funkybaby:
@ VOR

Wow! Thanks a lot for the clarification. God bless you. I have learnt so much already. Please, (i do hope i am not asking for too much), kindly explain the HSMP scheme. Is it really given to those who meet it's requirements? Secondly, can Estate/Project/Facilities Management as a profession be categorised under the shortage occupation? Are there good career prospects in this profession in UK? Regarding job opportunities with reputable firms, etc.  Thank you very much.

Funky,

Your query about the HSMP is an all encompassing one and probably too wide for me to cover here. I would suggest
you browse the website I have already provided to you, paying particular attention to the working in the UK section.
If you still have any queries on any particular aspects of the scheme then I  or I am sure other forumers here will do our best
to answer them.

I can however say that the scheme is genuine and I know at least two Nigerians personally who are here on the HSMP. One is
an accountant and the other a lab technician.

As to your question about the career prospects of certain management professions I really can't answer that with any authority
because I do not know.

joy7:
Munai, its really sad for you to think that my story is fake or if I'm playing games. Why should I do that when I've got better things to do. My boyfriend is now in Nigeria while I'm staying in Singapore. Ours is a long distant relationship. My boyfriend came to Singapore in December 2005 before he went to work in January 2006 as a teacher in Vietnam. He was there until September 2006 before he went back to Nigeria because the school that he work for were not willing to renew his visa. He is now staying in Jos and he did make a trip to Lagos in early October 2006 to settle some important documents. I first posted on this thread on 29th October 2006, so I was right to say 'he just came back from a trip to Lagos'. I've myself read in Nairaland or in other forum, stories that seem untrue or ridiculous, but I do not see the need for me to write in to condemned or criticised them as fake, I just read it with a open mind. To some of us, these stories may seem so fake, so absurd or ridiculous but to the person who wrote that, he or she may be a genuine case of someone desperately seeking help or advise.
Munai, I'm not good at all in making up stories nor am I good at playing games. If you still think that I'm fake, its ok. But to those who took the time to reply to my questions on this thread, I'm really grateful and my boyfriend hopes he will be able find another teaching job in Asia soon. May God bless all you kind hearted people.

Joy7

If I were you in future I'd just ignore responses like those of Munai's.
You really don't have to justify yourself to her at all.
When I read her response I just thought how ridiculous she sounded.

Anyway hope your b/f solves his problem.

funkybaby:
@ ronkybaby, akolawole, mrpataki and VOR

There's one fact you guys seem to be missing here. An applicant is not allowed to apply for ANY other type of visa from BHC while the applicant has an ongoing appeal case with the AIT. Doing so is just a waste of time and money because such person will be refused based on that ground. This is one of the many reasons people do not bother appealing. This is because appeal cases.eg. Student visa appeal cases can go on for over a year and you will not be entitled to apply for a visiting visa or any other type of visa.

Secondly,if you have a valid visiting visa on your passport, and you applied for a student visa and you were refused and you then appeal, you will not be allowed to set a foot in UK whilst the appeal case is still unresolved. I never knew this until some weeks ago, A friend of mine has a colleague at work that was deported @ Heathrow back to MMA because she still had a pending appeal with AIT over her pending student visa appeal. Her two years visa was cancelled. She went to BHC to complain and she was told that is the law and there is nothing they can do about it.

Like i always say, i am not an immigration lawyer. Advice/opinions i give here are based on TRUE life experiences of family members and friends that are close to me. I believe in life,we should learn from other people's experiences and mistakes so we can learn from them and become better individuals.

Funkybaby,

It is NOT the law that you cannot visit the UK whilst you have a pending appeal against a refusal.
It is not written anywhere in the immigration rules to my knowledge. Having said that however, if
the immigration officers at the airport are not satisfied that you are a genuine visitor to the UK they
have the power to refuse you entry, cancel your visa and return you to where you came from. That decision
to refuse entry is made on the balance of probability and whether there has been a change in your circumstances
or purpose since you obtained the visa.

The fact that you have been refused a visa as a student and then within weeks decide to visit the UK is strongly
suggestive to the immigration officers that you are not a genuine visitor unless you can prove otherwise.

funkybaby:
@ VOR

Please,i have another question, Please explain 'Right of Abode'. Is it similar to ILR? My boyfriend told me that another alternative to the contract marriage is if he stays in UK for 5years, he can then qualify for Right of Abode and he said it is a big step to getting the British Citizenship. How true is this?

Funkybaby,

The right of abode(ROA) is often mixed up by people with ILR. They are different.
In most cases to qualify for a ROA you already have to be a UK citizen
by any of the various methods. ( I wont list them all) or you are a Commonwealth citizen
whose parent was born in the UK prior to 31/12/1982.

People who normally qualify for a ROA apply for it as a matter of convenience whilst travelling
if they are doing so on a non-eu passport.A good example is my case, I am a UK citizen by birth but if
I am travelling to Nigeria or the ECOWAS community I will use my Nigerian passport. If I had to
use my Nigerian passport to return to the Uk I would require a visa but rather than go through the hassle
of getting one each time, I have a ROA endorsed in my Nigerian passport. Of course I could use my UK passport
to travel back here if I wished. Some people who have the ROA and are entitled to a UK passport have just not
bothered applying for it (UK passport) for various reasons.

In answer to your final question, from what you have told me so far I cannot see how your b/f can qualify for a ROA.
There is no provision under the rules for the grant of ROA merely on length of residence.

funkybaby:
@ VOR
Ok then. He is presently in UK with a 3years student's visa that expires next year february. With all the stuff i am reading,i'll definately encourage him to get a job with a top british firm. So i guess he has two major options now-work permit (valid for one year) or another student visa via ACCA (valid for 3yrs). Please VOR,which do you advice he pursues? Please,do not forget while making your recommendation that my boyfriend's major aim is getting british citizenship at the most guaranteed method and shortest time possible. Thanks a lot. God bless you.

In order to qualify for British Citizenship your boyfriend must already have qualified for ILR(INDEFINITE LEAVE TO REMAIN).He can qualify for this after having lived in the UK for 10 years continuously(legally) or 5 years with a WP. By next year he would only have spent 3 years in the UK so he would have to string out his studies for a further 7 years in order to qualify.

The WP option is also fraught with difficulty. What is the guarantee he will be offered such a job you have described within one year when his student visa expires. WP are normally only granted once the job has been advertised openly and if the foreigner offered the job has a particular skill or ability that is not ordinarily available in the UK.

Your bf has seen the difficulties in going down the above two routes and has figured that the easiest and quickest way forward is to contract a marriage of convenience with either a British national or an EU citizen. This way if (sometimes it can be a big if) all goes according to plan he will obtain his ILR in two years and then be in pole position to obtain his citizenship within 6 years of that.

I really wouldn't want to say one way or the other how he is to proceed. Ultimately it is up to him.

Funky the "other issues" relate mainly to his current status in the UK etc. How much longer does he have to study
and exactly which kind of employment wll he be seeking which will enhance his chances of getting a work permit.

May I also add that you are totally right in what you say about paying for a passport. You can be sure that if he goes along
this route at some point in the future he will be caught out. Trust me I have seen it happen.

More info here: www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/

To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a work permit visa.
The process of being allowed to work in the UK on the basis of a work permit
is two-fold.

First you have to get a work permit. You can't apply for this. The company you are
working for is the one that sponsors you and makes an application on your behalf.
And it is not all and any work that you will be granted a work permit for, so if your
boyfriend works in Mac Ds then there is practically no chance but if he is in a specialist engineering
field then he probably has a good chance. Similarly the medical field except nursing.

If he is lucky to get the work permit then he has to apply for a UKRP(United Kingdom Residence Permit) or return
to Nigeria and get an Entry Clearance it is this which gives him the right to live and work in the UK, not the work permit per se.

That is the process in a nutshell. There are other issues to consider which unfortunatly I do not have the time to regurgitate here. But
if you wish to find out more, then apart from this forum I suggest you visit WWW.WPUK.ORG.UK and WWW.HOMEOFFICE.GOV.UK/IMMIGRATION.

Good Luck.

Yes he can have it amended. All he has to do is go to a passport office or even a Nigerian embassy abroad
with proof of his original birthdate. His passport will then be endorsed on the observations page with the correct details.

It really should be no problem and will not affect any visas issued on the passport.

Hope this helps if he hasn't already had it done.

guseman:
@VOR, I saw you online and i could have ask you some probing issues about appealing against student visa. i have a case with the tribunal presently, i need you to guide me.gusemanonline@yahoo.com is my email

Guseman, I am more than willing to help(if I can).
But I would rather do it on this forum for the following
reasons:

1. So that anyone with a similar predicament to yours also benefits .
2. So that if the advice I am giving you is wrong or can be improved on,
   other forumers like Mrpataki, Akolawole etc can pull me up.

I know in the past I have corresponded with people by e-mail but I think it is better to do it this way.
Hope you don't mind? Obviously if you do decide to seek help here then do NOT disclose any personal details.

Full respect to Oprah, she is putting her money where her mouth is.

I believe the school has cost about $40m to establish and I don't think that
includes running costs. That is a lot of money.

Without knowing the full facts of its establishment and Oprah's thinking behind it I am in no position to
criticise Oprah, but I still do wonder if perhaps a less grand project could
have been undertaken. This would have allowed more funds to be available for the setting up
of more schools as a consequence of which even more less privileged children would benefit
from her generosity.

I am sure $40m would go a long way to achieve this. What she has done, though commendable,
is liking going to a drought stricken country and inviting just 100 people to a banquet with all the trappings.

Ronkebaby,

Any progress on your appeal?