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McKren:
I keep on saying it, to find out the truth about 53suitcases type Atiku Abubakar in to www.wikipedia.org. You will know the truth.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't think Wikipedia is necessarily a credible source of information
given that pretty much anyone can write anything they like in most Wiki articles.

@Thiefofhearts,

Sorry to say but by taking the Michael out of people who aren't able to articulate themselves perfectly in English
you have created a rod for your own back. Check your last posting, it isn't exactly perfect, either grammatically or in
spelling and syntax.

Besides a persons intelligence or education should not be judged by how well or badly they can or cannot speak English.
I know so many people who are so articulate in English but spout crap half the time. Also, who tells you that Europeans
speak two languages including English. True, a lot do, but it is not always the case unless perhaps they are German or Dutch.

In summary, a lack of English should not necessarily preclude you from being with such a person. You have to consider all the surrounding circumstances.

@Akolawole

How u de?

Man de Kampe. Na oda matters de take man time these
days, but I still de visit here. I just no get time to de post as before.

Anyway regards.

mrpataki:
@ Vor
No sir i disagree a bit on that line,
What if he tenders a new passport that does not show the refusal stamp on his passport. If he actually entered Thailand with another Nigerian passport.

@ Juggernaut
Did you use a new passport to enter Thailand? If yes then very well you can apply to the BHC easily without them knowing, if not so, i must say they will know you were once refused a leave to enter the UK.

I never knew this thread was still on, nice advice from Vor, Akolawole and the rest.

Mr Pataki,

I am afraid you are giving this guy bad advice.

Take it from me that if you apply for a visa in any UK embassy/High commission in the world
after having been refused in any other UK embassy or HC they will know, even if you get yourself
a new passport.

The only exception to this is if you change your identity, i.e name and date of birth or you happen to
get lucky and the visa officer does not carry out proper checks.

Remember we are living in the age of computers.

I would have thought the answer to this question is pretty simple:

SEX, SEX AND MORE SEX.[

juggernaut:
My visa to the UK was refused by the British High Commission in India.
I have now moved to the Thailand. I want to reapply, but not tell them that my visa was previously refused by BHC New DElhi.
Will the British High Commission in Bangkok be able to trace my past application on their computers if i donot tell them about a refusal.

Its basically lying but i am [pissed of with these guys

I can tell you for a fact you will not be able to conceal your previous refusal.

That second picture in Buckeyes first post is so damn ugly, yukkkkkkkkk.

Blue2

Nice write up.

Speaking as someone who has actually worked in the system I would like to saya coupleof things.

Yes, most of the refusal letters are cut and paste. They (eco) use what they call standard paragraphs.
The reason they use these is to, perversley, ensure consistency in the decision making process. That is to
say the reasons for refusal are consistent. Having said that in using these paragraphs the ECO should
set them in the correct context and not just deploy them willy nilly.

Regarding your friend who was refused a visa.
I would suggest he applies again if it is not too late for this academic year.
He should before applying obtain a letter from his proposed university confirming
the relevance of his previous study to his proposed course. ECOs are humans
and they make mistakes. I know of several cases where they have reviewed
decisions and reversed an original decision in favour of the applicant.
So hopefully all is not lost for your friend.

DaSlEek:
Thanks All (Akolawole,VOR,andre5) I think I would have to apply on a new basis, New school,New identity because my past application as I can see it now can't be appealed against.But andre5 one more thing, If I am aplying to a university in the UK I would have to start with the Foundation programme because i can't be adimitted into any programme with my O'levels Or what do you think? and is paying in full mandatory?

New identity

Assuming you do fool the BHC into giving you
a visa in your new identity what name will get your degree in?
If you get it in your false identity what use will it be to you when
all your other certificates and forms of id show a different name.

Anyway, I have it on good authority that the UK govt. may soon
introduce fingerprinting at embassies. That will put paid to people like you.

Some people desperate sha.

Andre5

I feel your pain and I understand many of the well made points you have highlighted.

The problem is that at the moment in the UK, immigration is at the top of the political
agenda with the current Labour govt. taking a lot of criticism for its seemingly lax
immigration policy. One of the areas highlighted for this is the area of bogus students.
Students from all over the world who just enrol on courses as a way to get into the UK.
They then fail to study and instead work full time. It is such a problem that the govt. has set up
a special immigration task force to deal with the problem.

It is therefore understandable to some extent that this has resulted in tighter conditions
in most UK embassies around the world.

In addition to whatever information the BHC gives out I would suggest that prospective students
check out the following websites i.e http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/lawandpolicy/immigrationrules/part3 and
www.ukvisas.gov.uk

olaak1:
There is this general believe that Ghanians speak good English more than Nigerians please Nairalanders in Ghana speak out!

I don't know where you are from but it sure looks as if you need some help yourself. So here goes:

There is this general BELIEF that GHANAIANS speak BETTER English than Nigerians. Please Nairalanders in Ghana speak out.

Hope this helps, and by the way I actually agree that Ghanaian educated people, in general speak better English.

Daslek,

Let me be honest with you my brother.

I really don't think you will be successful the 5th time around.
If you really feel your applications in the past have been sound
then I suggest you consider appealing rather than throwing
away more visa application money.

There will need to be a radical change in your circumstances
for the High Commission to reverse their previous decisions.

If however you still feel it worthwhile going ahead, then in
addition to the advice I have given you as well as that of my
"oga patapata", (Akolawole) read the thread on Uk Education Scam,
and in particular the advice given by Blue2.

Good luck.

AnuliGTB,

Are you gonna be in Jand anytime soon?

DaSlEek:
VOR nd Akolawole this goes to you because you are the Imigration advisers in the house.
I applied for student Visa last year september and was refused. stating that: whilst you have evidence of fund, you have not indicated evidence of their origin, the documents (financial) you have shown largely stands in isolation in the absence of your sponsors business, income or the origin of these funds. the account was my uncles, and so we decided to use his savings account with a balance of 3million, I had paid 600 pounds out of my 1000pounds college fee for a computer course of one year in London and also paid 200pounds to book a hostel, I was also refused again in December, I decided to go for an account in my dad's name you know of course how, with a balance of 9million and the same story but this time saying that I didnt explain why I choose the course and bla bla bla, Recently I applied again this time with another Mortagage acct and my personal acct of a balance of 400k and they said the same old story, I had been given rights to appeal all these while but i kept on applying, this time i want to apeal.
I need your advice, I have a family friend in the UK who had been there for about 15 years now and I want to know of what help would they be in my securing a student visa , Do I need to apply to another school? Do I use the same Passport? what documents do I need from them, I am badly in need of this I would appreciate your help as you have been helping on this wonderful thread .reply me on toluadepoyigi1@yahoo.com

which is better a college or a University?

You raise several issues here and I feel it may be of benefit not only to you but others who come here if I answered them in public.
I hope you don't mind.

Unfortunately because of your history of applications and refusals in sucha short space of time it is unlikely that you will be granted a visa unless your circumstances change radically. I feel the only option for you is to appeal and allow the Independent adjudicator look at things.

When applying for a student visa the fact you produce a bank statement showing a healthy balance is not in itself sufficient. As you can see the British HC would also want to know the origin of these funds. So for example did you provide evidence of what your uncle did for a living? Are these funds saved from his salary or his business that he does. The British HC may not tell you but they will like to know that anyone sponsoring a student in the UK has the means and ability to sponsor that student not just with the initial deposit but after that as well if necessary.

Funding is therefore one aspect. You must also be able to explain in brief why it is that you wish to do the course you are doing. How will this course benefit you on return to Nigeria, what qualification will you obtain? You must also show an ability to be able to do the course academically.e.g do you have the requisite qualifications to undertake the course. Also why have you decided to spend possibly thousands of pounds in the UK doing this course when perhaps an identical or similar course is available in Nigeria for a fraction of the cost? In considering this they will wish to know something of your economic background. Are you from a rich family or you just de manage for Naija? Are you being sponsored by an organisation or the funds are all your own?

The fact you have a family friend in the UK will be of no benefit unless perhaps they are economically sound and willing to sponsor you?That then begs the question why didn't you use them as sponsors in the first place?
Contact the school and see if they are willing to defer your admission for a year. Any school you enrol in must be approved by the dept. of education. Some people are under the misconception that once refused the best thing to do is throw away the passport and apply with a new one. DONT they are not stupid and will know if you have applied before if you try deception like this and are caught then you can forget about it permanently.

This of course is just an overview of things to be mindful of, hope it helps.

Yeah I understand what you mean about bashers.
But don't let them put you off. Best thing to do is ignore
such people.

Go ahead and start it or just add it to this thread.
I'm sure people out there will benefit from your
obvious knowledge.

Akolawole

Thank-you for springing to my defence. I didn't want to dignify twinkledew's post with a response as I detected
an underlying current of bitterness and bad belle in it.

Sorry, I didn't quite understand thee second point you made about your purported student visa thread.

I'll be visiting the Tampa, Florida area for two weeks this December.(prior to Christmas)
Would anyone: male , female, single or married be willing to meet up and show a brother around?

Ronke

Check the last e-mail I sent to you I believe I included it .

BumpyJohn

I will respond to you soon. Hopefully
by Wednesday.

Gaby

Sorry to hear about your problem. Must be really hard for you, I know I wouild go mad if I wasn't able to see my kids for whatever reason.

For the UK you can apply for a special visa on the rights of access grounds to a child in the UK.
However, this visa is not given lightly and there are a lot of conditions that you must be able to satisfy.

1. You have to be able to prove your parenthood of the child. So an original long birth certificate
     with both parents named on it is the minimum requirement of proof. DNA evidence of your paternity
     would be even better.
2. You will need a court order from a court in the UK giving you access rights. If you don't already have this
    then it will be very hard if not impossible for you to get it from Nigeria. Family law is not my area of specialisation
    so you may need to contact a lawyer in the UK to sort this out for you if necessary.
3.  Proof that you intend to take an active role in your childs upbringing. Evidence of how you have supported your child to
     date will be useful.e.g have you been sending him money, presents etc.
4. That the child's mother is resident in the UK. I have a fear that this will be a problem as from what you have said she is not
     a legal resident. If she has however been granted refugee status as opposed to being an asylum applicant then that is different.
     Which is she?
5. Finally, you must produce evidence of your ability to maintain and accommodate yourself without the need for welfare whilst in theUK.
    And I should also point out that if you have an adverse immigration history in the UK then that may well go against you.By adverse I  mean I hope you have not been deported from the UK or committed any immigration or even criminal offences while in the UK.


Hope this helps and good luck.

If it does help I will advise you where to post my cheque in due course.

Akolawole

Thank you for your clarification.
You are quite correct, although
there is a residual right of appeal on
human rights grounds. But that is of
course a whole different issue.

Salsera

Each application for a visa is supposed to be considered on its
merits and in theory a previous refusal should not necessarily mean
you will be refused again. Having said that it is only natural that the reasons for
a previous refusal will be considered along with any subsequent application.

In your case you have certain facts in you favour. One, the refusal was two years ago,
two, your personal circumstances have altered since then. You now say you have a job
and are in gainful employment, this is to your advantage as you have a reason to return to Nigeria.
Provided you meet the other elements of being a visitor, eg sufficient funds and accommodation
for your visit and a good sponsor in the UK etc you should in theory not have a problem.
I say in theory because ultimately it is down to the individual ECO making the decision and his or
her individual discretion. Everyone is different, there are rules and guidelines but you cannot completely rule out
an individuals viewpoint.

In addition, when you visited the UK in 2003 did you comply with your conditions. That is to say did not overstay
your visa or even the lenght of time you told the ECO you would be visiting the UK for?

Hope the above is helpful.

Akolawole Baba,

Anything to add to the above?

Maybe we should set up a consultancy
and charge Nairalanders. Of course on a no win no fee basis.

[@ALL

Not all Visa Refusals are Appealable .
[quote][/quote]True,

But in the main what we are talking about here is student visa refusals and all such decisions are appealable.

Bumpy

Nothing stops you from re-applying straight after a refusal. But it would be a waste
of time unless you can resolve to their satisfaction the inconsistency in your sponsor's
bank statement.

Furthermore, lodging a large sum of money just before one applies for a student visa
is bound to arouse suspicion. So sorry it doesn't look good for you.

Twinkledew,

You can apply for a UK visa from any country in which you are normally resident.
You don't have to return to your country of origin.

You cannot sue the Home Office for refusing you a visa. You can appeal against the refusal
and if this fails you might apply for what is called a judicial review. I doubt very much whether your friend
was issued a visa because he threatened to sue. It might well be they reviewed their decision in the light
of further evidence submitted.

And that they paid his lawyers fees? All I will say to that is hmmmmm.

Babe1

Not necessarily true.

If you have a bad case no lawyer can help you and it will amount to throwing
good money after bad.

If you have a good case then all you have to do is marshal your facts and put them
forward in a coherent and logical fashion, you don't have to be a lawyer to do that.

Furthermore, I know for a fact that most of the presenters acting for the UK government
at the appeal tribunals have no legal training as such.

Ronke

As someone said, be careful in employing anyone to act on your behalf.
A lot of these so called immigration experts/lawyers are nothing but conmen.

Unfortunately, these reasons do not amount to a technicality which would make it worth you submitting a fresh application.
If you did it would be rejected.

The only option for you is to appeal.

As I said this takes time. Is you school willing to defer your admission to the next academic session?
I will contact you later through e-mail. But as I said, initially just submit skeleton grounds of appeal
you don't necessarily have to go into detail at this stage. Later you can submit detailed GOA(GROUNDS OF APPEAL)

Laterz

Ronke

About to step out now, but I will try to catch you through your e-mail much later.
My initial advice though would be to appeal. Just complete the form and send it in.
You can always send in detailed grounds for your appeal later.

Can you quickly give me a flavour of why you were refused?

Ronke

I actually used to work for the UKIS ((UK Immigration Service).

So I'd like to think I have a pretty good idea how these things work.
The success or failure of any appeal depends really on what the reasons
for your refusal were. You should have been given a notice setting these out in detail.
From my experience sometimes it is not even necessary to appeal, all you have to do is
submit a fresh application. For example if the embassy were not satisfied with the information
you provided about your financial ability to undertake the course, maybe you submitted photocopies,
and you now have the original documents they may well go ahead and grant you the visa anyway.The appeal
process does take time, months usually.

As for your intended visit. My opinion is that there is a high probability that it will be refused.
Each application for a visit visa is treated on its merits but given your previous student refusal
I would be highly surprised if it is granted to you. If you need any further advice. Let me have your e-mail.

GOOD LUCK.