₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying!

Even though the family structure is eroding gradually due to increased westernization, the strong family bond is still there, especially in regards to relationship with parents.

Kobojunkie:
What particular cultures since I happen to know of many Nigerian couples, my parents included, who didn't have parents present at their wedding? My folks had theirs over 40 years ago, and the marriage went pretty much OK... we aren't cursed and all the other assumed bullsheet.

You mean your parents did not give their blessings to the marriage of their children? Why?
I don't want to believe the marriage was done in the same vicinity as their parents. Most times even if the property marriage was conducted overseas, the two families still conduct their own marriage in the absence of one or even both of the marrying couples.

OvaSabi1:
Africans like clinging on to family bond needlessly. Jeff Bezos did not talk with his biological father for most of his life till the man died. Nothing like placing of curse, the man is still doing well. Nigerian women especially are fond of this nonsense with our messiah complex. Your husband will tell you to stay away from certain family members and you will go and be doing peacemaker that they did not send you.

Different cultures. African families are more closely knit that western societies. American see their adult children probably only on special occasions. We on the other hand are never too far away from our parents.

iamL:
Or perhaps the father has abused one of his sisters in the past which the family might have kept only to themselves.

Something like this happened in my neighborhood. Some of the children refused to have anything to do with the father.

Family secrets no be here o, and digging out some are almost impossible.

I doubt it has to do with sexual abuse of his children, else his mother would not be begging for a reconciliation. It's probably something personal between the both of them.

Kobojunkie:
Where do you get these bullsheet ideas from abeg?

100s of thousands, world over[color=#990000][/color], wed each year without even a family member present at the occasion and they go on to enjoy marital bliss after it all. Why is it that it is when you Nigerians are involved that disorder becomes the order of the day?

You said the world over and not Nigeria. In traditional setting. Except your father is late or infirmed, it's a taboo in many cultures for your father not to give his blessings during his children's weddings.

ogawisdom:
U are just childish n very stupid and dt is putting it politely.

Forgiveness is a divine injunction for healthy living. No matter what the father did he must be forgiven. I am not here to agree with a toddler like u

It depends on what the father actually did. Some sins are simply unforgivable.

My grouse with the guy is not trusting his intended wife enough to tell her why he is so angry at his father. It could be an issue that will affect their marriage.

OfficialAwol:
Don't be stupid by leaving a good guy because he doesn't talk to his dad.

Do you talk to everyone around you?

So how do you expect them to have a traditional or church wedding without the involvement of the father?

Indispensable85:
You've never seen a fight that he lost before?
And he's no where in Rivers politics?
Dealt with mercilessly by wike.
Lost the governorship twice.
Wike slapped him from right, Abe slapped him from left.
Abeg go sleep jooor

Dealt mercilessly by wike, how? Have Amaechi contested an election with Wike and lost?

asthmacoughend:
What does Turbaning got to do with the 2023 Presidential Election ,Just asking as a Non Politician ..

Because the title itself is a political statement.
Dan-Amanar Daura means the Trusted Son of Daura. Meaning the person turbaned has been adopted as a son by the people of Daura and by extension north west Nigeria.

Cryofigbos:
How old r u?

So many children on dis platform and non of u know what politics is or hw dey play it.....by always typing nonsense on nairaland must have made some of u guru in politics

It is a laughable thing to believe Amaechi can stand a primary election with tinubu or Osinbajo, okorocha and kalu has said it but u fools with imaginary hate on nairaland don't know anything, today u r celebrating turbaning as endorsement if he declares u will start calling him president I guess
We will be here after d primary I know by then u must have been singing a new topic....south east always lose at d end and dey will keep losing, to even think d party will give ticket to a region that no state is being controlled by APC sef is mental disorder
Stop out of anything politics and go to romance section

The only person that can stand up to Amaechi in your line up is Tinubu. Osinbanjo has no political leg to stand on except on the shoulders of Tinubu. Okorocha is a non entity in APC. Kalu has some weight but cannot be considered a heavy weight.

If you understand politics, you will know that APC is made up of two major blocks and two minor blocks. AD and CPC led by Tinubu and Buhari respectively are the two major blocks. While NPDP and APGA(Okorocha faction) led by Amaechi and Okorocha are the two minor faction. Amaechi's NPDP faction with support from Buhari's CPC faction would give Tinubu's AD faction a run for their money.

Validated:
Okay, Anaechi is yoruba, from Ogbomoshò.
Hope you are fine now.

And I had thought he was Fulani from daura.

focus2727:
hnmm yes the same happen to Obasajo in 1999 he did not win his ward or any state in the south west yet he president of the nation. This is 9ja.

Amaechi is a seasoned politician, he had never lost an election before. Obasanjo was not a politician and had no grassroot support before he contested the 1999 elections. Amaechi will get the support of the South South because he did well for the South South as transport minister. If he gets Tinubus support he will easily take south west, if he is anointed by Buhari, he will take the North East and North West.

TooNoisy:
Amaechi that cannot win a local government election in Rivers State, is that who will win presidency?

For a person that has won State House if Assembly election twice, Governorship election twice and won Nigerian Governors forum chairmanship against a northern candidate supported by the Federal government, this statement is a misnomer.

Amaechi will not win one State in the South if he is brought forward. All these titles are compensation on the money he spent on Buhari's election and for building his wasteful "University of Transportation" in Daura.

Amaechi stands no chance.

Speak for yourself. Many in the South South will vote for Amaechi including Rivers State where he had win every election he contested for.

manchinkids:
there's no unfolding politics anywhere, Amaechi will not fly the APC flag

E go do you like cinema (or Netflix).

phineas:
Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

Why are you more concerned about justice for the Dowen boys instead of overall justice? What about justice for Sylvester and justice for the family? What about justice for the society as a whole?

In a normal society, an accusation should be enough for the police to invite the accused for questioning. My grouse with the Nigerian police is when the lock a suspect up for more than the 24hrs constitutionally allowed period and the annoying fact that the police arrests suspects before fishing for evidence. Most of the time by forcing the suspect to write a confessional statement.

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

This goes beyond MDCN. There is the issue of bullying, then there is the issue of murder/manslaughter. MDCN can only regulate professional conduct of doctors. It cannot determine bullying or even murder/manslaughter.

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

Signs of poisoning might have all disappeared 7 days after injestion of poisonous substance. The bodies excretion system most probably would have eliminated The poisonous substance from the system save microscopic traces. This particular poisoning is suspected to contain biological agents. So how do you determine the primary source of the septicemia that invaded all the vital body organs within 7 days?

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

Not all chemical poisons are corrosive. In fact most lethal chemical poisons are not corrosive at all. A few drops can kill you within a matter of hours. Then Biological poisons are not corrosive at all.

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

That's a general issue with the sorry state of professionalism in Nigeria. Incompetence is rife in all professions in Nigeria - civil engineering, medicine, accounting, etc.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

That's why I am routing for the case to go to court where every witness would be examined and cross examined, ie class mates, Hall mates, house master, school nurse and doctor, and other parents and students who has had similar experience can be summoned to testify.

tuboi:
Thanks for your matured comment..All I’m interested in is the truth.If the boy has underlying health problems, it should be established.if he was hallucinating, witnesses should be called..I don’t just want the sole focus of the case to be on the autopsy..

He never had any underlying health problems. His body was laced with deadly bacteria that infected all vital organs of his body.

phineas:
If the school had taken him to the hospital instead of handing him over to his parents perhaps it may have helped .but listen to yourself did you just see that a key factor in his demise was their poor care.

Now it's the schools fault? If the school had done that and he did not make it would we not have blamed the school for using him for rituals? The school did the right thing They identified he was sick enough to need further care and rightfully handed him to his guardians.How they choose to respond is completely on them and not the school

You are still aggressively defending the school. Are you a member of the Dowen College Board? Now tell me what would Dowen College have done if the patents did not show up or send someone? Would they just watch a student die and then blame the parents for not coming? Look life is sacrosanct and the first impulse in all situations is to save life.

They called the father, the father said he would send someone. Citing minor football injury. No one showed up for 2 days. They then called again, this time in panic, before his father sent his brother to pick him up. By the time the brother got to the school he was shocked at the state of Sylvester. He immediately called Sylvester's father back and said this looks more serious than mere football injury. This is the point that the father should have ordered that they take the boy to the nearest hospital. But no, he took him home. And this began the series of blunders that led to his eventual death.

If Dowen College had taken the boy to the hospital (with the fathers consent of couse) and he died, how would the college be accused of using him for ritual? Even if it's without the fathers consent due to the emergency, and he died, would there not be doctors report snd coroner inquest.

Religion and superstition is really destroying the fabric of African societies.

Eketem:
Most parents with kids with health issues sign consent forms for this so the child can be rushed to the hospital.

From the family witness and their family doctor testimony the Oromoni family didn't believe in hospital they preferred church and they didn't mention giving consent to the school and the school failed to use it

As I have said many times, the Orominyi family has a huge part of the blame in sylvesters death and their handling of the issue would make it almost impossible for any court to find Dowen College or the accused boys guilt of murder or even manslaughter.

Having said that, Dowen College has civil (not criminal) liabily for the death of Sylvester. They were negligent on many fronts and don't seen to have a good monitoring system for their boarding facilities.

What I am after is for us all to learn a lesson from this and improve our schooling system. Many parents including myself are afraid to send our children to boarding school. I was making arrangements to send my 13 year old to a boarding school next session, my wife and I have reconsidered that idea, because of the horrible stories we have been hearing.

Eketem:
I have years of experience In child development; no school can take a child to hospital without parental consent, the cousin that picked him in Lagos said the family didn't want him taken to hospital in Lagos. Best the school can do is offer first aid which they did at the school clinic and call the parents

I don't know about the school policy we operate, but I know that most elite schools are attached to hospitals for which the patents pay for, and they are taken to those hospitals in terms of emergency.

Are you telling us that if a Sickle Cell patient have a crisis, they would have to wait for the patents to arrive before taking the child to a hospital?

seborrhic:
I am assuming he would be brought when the family lawyer opens its own case by calling its own witnesses or does a coroner inquest operate differently?

A coroner inquest is to find out the cause of death and nothing more. It's a court that can find who is responsible or not for the death.

Eketem:
Which former teacher? Why didn't the teacher go and testify as a witness for the family? The teacher is as fake as the autopsy report from Delta. They kept pushing fake news on social media

I now suspect you are a paid hack for Dowen College or one of the accused boys. You attack everyone that make any comment against Dowen or any of the accused.

The teacher cannot go and testify as a witness for the family because the matter is not yet in court. If The matter gets to court then the teacher can be summoned as a prosecution witness for the family.

Eketem:
If you can help me provide a reason why the same family who supposedly conducted an autopsy that claimed he died from chemical intoxication will refuse to tender that in court and object to their on autopsy being mentioned I may believe you. The supposed autopsy that would closed their case they didn't bring to court only shared online to cast doubt on the actual autopsy.
Why did the family not bring their own autopsy to court.

Where did you get the lie that the family conducted an autopsy? The autopsy was conducted by the Nigerian police and their lawyer had to write the Nigerian police to obtain a copy.

The case has not gone to court as the Lagos State coroner is carrying out an inquest. The inquest is still on going.

Why are you guys pushing out so many lies aggressively, do you have a stake in this case?

Please read the quote you posted 2 or 3 times so you can comprehend. This is just external examination and reasons were given for the various marks on the body.

Eketem:
At least read Fullly

" A few others showed vertical marks on the chin (post mortem injury), “a recent external circular injury on the right ankle,” reddening on the lower part of the two legs (this shows that the embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body), the white brain shows that there is not enough blood in the body."

Vertical marks on the chin - post mortem injury.

Circular injury on the right ankle - a recent injury. Circular injury around the ankle means skin abrasion caused by hand.

Reddening on the lower part of the two legs - embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body.

The family was negligent and looking for a scape goat they consistently pushed false news including the fake autopsy report from Delta which they refused to tender and even objected to it being referenced

I agree the family was negligent, but the school was also negligent. They should have taken Sylvester to a proper hospital when they saw his health deteriorating fast, instead of panicking and waiting for the parents to show up to pick the kid. If The parents were unavoidably unavailable, will they just watch the kid die. They were just too desperate to get rid of the kid, so he won't die in their custody.

They were not the one that carried out the "False" autopsy report. The autopsy in Warri was carried out by the Nigerian police. They were only given a copy of the report, which the released publicly.

Eketem:
No Sir the only magic is the family who has been consistently shown to be pushing falsehood.

The family has no reason to push falsehood. They are acting on what they actually believe based on what they saw and heard from Sylvester and based on previous experience.

People cannot be held indefinitely when there is no charge against them. When they say you should read and learn you will not agree.

Agreed. But this only applies to the powerful and mighty. Ordinary poor citizens are held in police custody indefinitely or until they pay "bail".

The Government is in alignment with the investigation and autopsy findings so they are in trial by the family who brought the Inquest

Which government. The government looks compromised. They exonerated all accused and reopened the school even before the coroner inquest had been concluded.

What led to the wound has been stated, ankle injury from falling while playing ball.

Non of the autopsy report showed any ankle injury or bone injury.

From just reading the report of the Lagos State Pathologist, I can conclude that Sylvester Oromoniyi died from biological intoxication and not chemical intoxication.
Here are the proof from the report;

The cross-examination also dwelled on the cause of death with the pathologist insisting that the late Sylvester, died of Septicaemia.

Septicaemia is when bacteria enters the bloodstream, and causes blood poisoning which triggers sepsis

While being led in evidence by the Director of Public Prosecution, DPP Lagos, Dr. Jide Martins, the pathologist testified on his findings during the autopsy. He said the findings indicated a generalised infection of the body.

“It was an infection of the lungs, the deceased also had an infection of the liver, the kidneys, infection of the right arm, the soft tissue of the muscles covering the bone below the ankle. The summary of these is that he had generalised infection.”

The Septicaemia must have entered the bloodstream through the oesophagus and stomach. This must have been from the liquid he was alleged to have been forced to drink. This was probably why the infection affected all the vital organs so fast.

Dr. Soyemi said, “This could have been treated. What could have been used in treating was massive dose of antibiotics, intravenous fluid and blood transfusion.”

He added that based on his finding, the illness could have been properly managed if the boy was taken for proper treatment. It was not a terminal case at all, the doctor stated.

The doctor however noted that the medical condition could lead to death if not properly treated, adding that the “mortality rate is high.”

Evidence the school and parents were treating the wrong diagnosis. If they had started treating the boy for acute and aggressive bacterial infection (Septicaemia), Sylvester would certainly have survived.

Mr Falana asked, “can massaging of the body and an injury lead to infection?”

The doctor replied no.

The senior lawyer again asked, “If there’s an injury and it has been massaged repeatedly, can it lead to the removal of the skin or part of the skin?”

The doctor replied in the affirmative.

The senior advocate asked, “Are you aware that the ankle injury of the deceased was subjected to massaging in the sickbay of Dowen College on the 21st, 22nd & 23rd?

Dr. Soyemi said, “Not aware.”

Instead the school and parents were treating for orthopedic injuries. They were massaging the body of Sylvester and giving pain relievers.

A few others showed vertical marks on the chin (post mortem injury), “a recent external circular injury on the right ankle,” reddening on the lower part of the two legs (this shows that the embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body), the white brain shows that there is not enough blood in the body.

“Prior to the conduct of autopsy, I did a total body radiograph to rule out any skeletal injury, that is, fracture, none was found. And the radiologist confirmed there was no fracture

Further evidence there was no evidence of bone injury. All the ankle abrasions were as a result of aggressive massaging.

My conclusion
Sylvester was beaten and bullied, but the physical beatings did not kill him. It was the liquid he was forced to drink. Now since our we don't have labs in Nigeria that can carry out a complete toxicology examination and the body and all organs had been tampered with coupled with cover ups from all those involved, it will be impossible to prove Sylvester Oromoniyi was murdered. Biological intoxication is much more difficult to prove that chemical intoxication. You have to determine exactly how the biological agents were introduced into the bloodstream.

seunayantokun:
Why the automatic conferment? There is an evil coverup there! Honest foreigners married to Nigerians don't have an issue becoming Nigerians given extant laws in the land. Foreigners in the name of Fulani herdsmen, Boko Haram, ISWAP, etc are in here. Why must there be a new law for this? How does this resolve burning issues in this country? These rogues are at it again. The bill should be shot down immediately.

So in effect you are saying that a British, German or US man married to a Nigerian lady and wants his family to settle in Nigeria does not deserve Nigerian citizenship? Meanwhile you are alright with the reverse case whereby a woman married to a Nigerian man is allowed citizenship? Is that not discriminatory against women?
It seems some tribes in Nigeria are against granting women any sort of right.

anochuko01:
This new move would certainly make it worse. The country would be torn apart in no time.

I don't agree with you. All miscreants that want to come to Nigeria from neighbouring countries are already here. There are hardly any restrictions stopping people from crossing the borders. The borders are as porous as a basket filled with water.

The move will only allow medium or higher skilled foreigners to become citizens. Only people with money dey marry wife, and our women no dey date broke men, not to talk of broke foreigners.

Benrosaria:
Black is wicked I swear and I will forever regret being one.

You are adopting bill for an forthcoming ruin on this country. So una plan na to white man to come contest in our own election. What is independence when you are not free yet

But black man dey contest for election for America and Britain. Abi America and Britain is not free yet?

NimrodEndOfDays:
you said the PORTS WERE NOT FUNCTIONAL BEFORE THE WAR. OGA....PLEASE SIT THIS ONE OUT.

What I meant to say is "was not fully functional." It took primary produce out of the ports but imported goods were not passing the ports.

NimrodEndOfDays:
I tend to cringe when educated or people who claim to be exposed make comments like these. in the statement above which is bold. first of all, the Igbos are predominantly traders so therefore, the tendency to move away from their region to other places where opportunities exist is supposed to be high. The way you wrote it like as if the SE is empty and all the people have left there and moved to other areas. if you must know, Nnewi is known for something which is automobiles parts and mechanical parts. its a thriving area and there are thousands of people there who do business and don't even know that Lagos exist if not for the sea port for them to import their containers. Aba is known for making shoes, and other house hold materials. its a thriving area and there are many of them who have never been to Lagos unless it has o do with the sea port in apapa. there are just two that i know you probably would have heard of. The nature of their business means that they cannot be in one place. Africa has more that 50 countries so if eventually there is a split and our neighbors are hostile, if there are Igbos who want to move out of the region, there are many west African countries that can accommodate them. for you to say that people moving out of their area to another because they cannot stay alone or cannot survive without Nigeria is laughable and comes from a place filled with ignorance. The Jews before the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 were found in Poland, Austria, Germany, France, UK ,USA, south Africa etc. Albert Einstein was a German Jew. they were thriving in these countries because they had something to offer in terms of skills and business. people like you would have said the same thing and discouraged them not to create their own nation because majority of Jew WERE outside their land but they still had a large number their people in Israel. today, Israel is better than Nigeria is all human indices. The Chinese do not stay in their country, they have factories in Lagos and even have a large community. does that mean they cannot survive without Nigeria? china is like a god country to Nigeria. the Lebanese are in different countries of the world, so are the Indians who reside in areas like illupeju Lagos but have countries better than Nigeria in terms of what they have to offer. its so sad that you had give the Fulani's an exception. i am not surprised. that's the bigotry we experience everyday so its not new. the fulanis are predominantly cow herders so there fore they have to go to were their market is. doesn't mean that they cannot survive without Nigeria. They have brothers in Mali chad, and they are doing just fine. Anyone who stays in his state and decides not to move out does not mean their states are like states in America its just that they may not have what to offer the others. The ijaws are fishermen that is why they could be found in areas that are close to the sea. they are not Yoruba's but they are found in ondo state.

Why and when did igbos become traders - pre colonialization, pre - independence or after the biafra war? Igbos have been migrating, particularly up north before independence and even before amalgamation. What were igbos trading in the early 1900 that made many of them migrate up north?

Igbos region is not conducive for trading. Yes a region is conducive for trading if you are a link or thouroughfare between manufacturers and the market. For example Middle East was/is a link between China (producer) and Europe (market). Same with ancient Venice. Igboland has no advantage whatsoever in trading within west Africa. Even during the slave trade, Calabar, Badagry, Cape coast were the slave trading ports.

I hate it when you guys compare yourselves to the Jews or other people. The histories are very different. The Jews were driven from their land twice. First under Babylon and second under Romans in AD70. They came back after Hitler killed over 6 million of then with the sympathy of the winners of the war. Do you think there would have been an Israel or even jew if Hitler had won the war? The Jews had been under every major super power the world has ever had - Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Rome, British.

The Lebanese were involved in a bitter civil war that saw mass migration to other parts of the world.

How many Chinese are in Nigeria compared to the general population? How many Chinese want to migrate to Nigeria. I am sure there are more igbos in China than chinese in the whole of Nigeria.


Yes Africa has more than 50 countries, but how many are ready to accommodate igbos - Ghana, Cameroon, South Africa, Morocco. Igbos generally don't get along with their host communities for one reason or the other. I doubt many countries would be ready to take in mass migration of igbos, particularly if all they intend doing is trade.

I am not excusing Fulanis. I am only pointing out that Fulanis are nomads and they follow water and grazing routes of their cows and the markets.

While getting the inland port at Onitsha operational is a very good economic plan, making it happen is very complicated and costly. Firstly, It was not built to accommodate container ships, it was built by the British to move primary produce to the sea, by steam boats. Those boats were nowhere big as container ships of today. To make the river accommodate container ship would require extensive dredging to expand the depth and width of the river. To do that you guys have to negotiate with your brother - the Ijaws. Abacha attempted to dredge the river to Onitsha but was stopped by the Ijaws.

NimrodEndOfDays:
This man. i dont know where you read your own history from or which old man tells you what history is from his own perspective.....................



you have been writing some very ignorant things but i just act like as if i dont see it. how old are you by the way??

The boy has written so many fallacies, false equivances and and conjectures that one doesn't know where to start educating him on realities. He just like his IPOB counterparts are reasons and act with emotions rather intellect.

NimrodEndOfDays:
The major reason why there ports were left redundant was because of the war with Biafra. The FG ceded Bakassi and stopped the ports because they didn't want the Biafrans to have the ability to wage a war by importing arms through these water ways. so for your ports to work it would take the power of god. go and listen to Obong attahs interview on arise TV and listened to why most of the developments in his state were frustrated.

False narrative. The ports were not functional before the biafran war. My village is 20 minutes away by boat to koko and Sapele port is not far away. The ports were not built by the British by economic considerations. They were built to export Timber from the area. Since the fall of the timber trade, the Sapele port has not been operational.

The governor's are always looking for excuses for their failures. No doubt the FG makes things difficult, but an innovative and selfless governor would achieve some degree of success.