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basilico:
Abortion is a human right to the left.Why bother to prevent conception when you can get rid of the results

Yes, it's a fundamental human rights. It's immoral for men to force women to have babies they don't want. There are no such burdens on men. After destroying her kpekus, we are free to go scot free without any consequences when the results prove positive. The woman is expected to carry the burden and shame of the "sin" we both committed

Dapcity007:
Only rape is the only justifiable reason to kill an infant and only then can it be the choice of the woman to let it live

The data for abortion via rape is < 1%.

Risk to mothers health and life also but her physical health and proven clinical psychological health

I repeat it again and again, the choice to abort or not to abort rests principally with the woman, whether it is rape, incest, prostitution or simply sexual immorality. You can't force a woman to birth, care and love a baby she does not want. It's as simple as that. Just like you cannot force lady to love you. If a lady feels she does not and cannot love you anymore, she is free to file for a divorce instead of marrying another husband or commuting adultery.
We men have greater rights over our bodies, grant the same rights to women. If I am tired of my wife, society accept i divorce her and marry another wife. Most even accept our marry a second and third (aka Ned Nwoko and FFK) without even a divorce.

Dapcity007:
I'm a man of faith not a religious man

Abortion is a fundamental moral dilemma in the society

True in deeply religious societies like USA, Northern Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, etc. But it's not in liberal or non religious countries like Norway, Sweden, France, China, Canada, etc.

Dapcity007:
Situational ethics won't help your arguments

Facts shows covid 19 death rates are so significantly low now with medical expertise data due to improved treatment

The rate of lockdown suicide and depression are alarming

What causes poverty?? A discussion u atheist avoid

Focus on the cause of poverty then the effects , now we solve poverty

Blaming poverty on innocent harmless fragile infants won't help you arguments

Here we go again- on a Dan Quixotic quest with rationality. Where did I blame poverty on innocent harmless fragile infants? How rational is it to blame poverty on unborn babies?
My arguments is simply : you can force a woman to birth a baby she does not want simply because you want to punish her for sexual immorality (according to your religion).

Dapcity007:
The modern age of enlightenment occured during the French revolution

French revolution is part of Atheism history same way Catholicism is part of Religious history


Social media , Apple , google , Microsoft were founded by confused youths??

No one knows it all

We learn relearn and unlearn

I fear for post modernist and the current state of atheism and agnosticism who want to change or adapt real science to suite cherished social constructionism ideologies

Atheism now are becoming dogmatic

Even in real science not social science cognitive reasoning is not completely understood

This is why I say your thought process and arguments are confusing and irrational. You wrote a whole epistle berating atheism and it's evil effects on society, but the best example of success of modern society are atheists. That you don't see the paradox is beyond understanding.

basilico:
The fate of the republic rests on 9 Supreme Court judges. A quick review of the Senate Judiciary Committee in two cases only

Clarence Thomas. Hounded by Joe Biden in an effort to prevent him from being a SC judge.

Bret Kavanaugh : The most shameless accusations from a witness who spoke like a child, did not remember the year or place, whose 4 confidants disowned their own story.

Democrats were supposed to force us to believe women with no recollection. #metoo

A thousand people have filed affidavits .We should not believe them but we should believe Anita Hill and Blassey Ford witness testimony where they could not remember a darn thing.

More wailings. I expect a torrent after January 20th.

A million people can file affidavits, without evidence to back the affidavits, the cases would be thrown out by any reasonable court.
You can write an affidavit that you are the one that actually killed George Flyod, without concrete evidence like Motif, opportunity and murder weapon, you will be thrown into the asylum instead of a jail.

Were Anita Hill and Blassey Ford found guilty based on the sworn affidavits and their nominations rejected? So why do you think valid votes would be rejected by the courts based solely on affidavits?

Dapcity007:
Questioning my character will not help your arguments

Stop these ad hominem


Focus on real science and evidence

Make rationale analysis

Then you judge or reach a reasonable conclusion

I don't use ad hominems. The fact is your arguments are incoherent and often conflicting, then you veer off onto falsehoods like "the French Revolution gave rise to atheism (modern or ancient). How many friends atheist do you know before or after the revolution?

It's also highly illogical for your conscience to be pricked by random ladies aborting babies they don't won't but is not pricked by the poverty, corruption and wickedness all around you. How many of those hungry children that plaster their faces on your window (whether you are in your car or a bus) has pricked your conscience?

You then argue against universal health care - a given in most industrialised countries.

You even argue against Covid restrictions in schools because according to you "children are immuned". What about teachers, parents, other adults in contact with children, do the children transfer the immunity to them?

Honestly, I don tire to dey argue senselessly.

demmymoney:
FRENCH REVOLUTION IS A CORE EXAMPLE OF HOW STUPID A SOCIETY CAN BE WEN THEY REMOVE GOD, RELIGION AND CONSCIENCE

And compare the stupid society to your sane society in Nigeria where God, Religion and conscience is the centre of everything.

Don't also forget to compare the example of the stupidity of France before the revolution when God reigned supreme and the stupidly after when God was thrown away.

budaatum:
French Revolution my left tit!

Please stop using words you know not the meaning of for it just makes your lack of enlightenment obvious in it's darkness.

I have stopped wasting my time on him. He sound like a confused teenager who is searching for the meaning of life. He is experimenting with different philosophies and belief systems, most of which he knows very little about or only snipers of information, and then feels he has achieved enlightenment.

He sounds so confused with confusing and often conflicting points of views.

Dapcity007:
OK dont u know that these thinking pattern is dangerous

How? Dangerous to who?

Dapcity007:
My conscience scale of judgement make its so

You conscience how? Na you put the pregnancy there or na you perform the abortion? How your conscience enter matter wey no concern you?

I cherish humane and altruistic values

You are still talking about your values. Your values is different from the values of others.

Dapcity007:
OK as long as its your money , your choice, live with its consequence

Induced abortion can either damage the woman's uterus, cause breast cancer , lead to depression

Accept these consequences

And how is that your headache? Is it your uterus, breast or depression. The only women you have rights over are your wife and your daughters. Other women have the rights to their own bodies and minds.

Dapcity007:
Religious liberty is a 1st class fundamental right under the Constitution and it must be uphold

And my own rights to unreligious liberty is a second class right that must not be upheld under the constitution?

I don't see abortion and. LGBTQ+ ,and feminism as progressivism or even real science

That's your right of belief and religious freedom. My own rights of belief see abortion and LGBTQ and abortion as real science.

Science can't and will never replace religious liberty or Human nature

The same way religious liberty will never replace science and human nature.

Post modern atheist/agnostics don't learn from history

History actually favours atheist as most of human history was dominated and ruled by theists. Atheist are only recently allowed to come out and professional their disbelief. So it's theists that should learn from history as most theistic barbaric beliefs and practices had been abandoned, ie witch hunting, women subjugation and discrimination, blasphemy, and LGBTQ is the latest one to go.

As a former Atheist and follower of enlightenment myself

Good for you. But you should also allow others to find their own enlightenment instead of imposing your own enlightenment on others.

Eternal Truth and Moral order supercedes situational ethics to allow for Real egalitarianism

False. Eternal Truth and Moral order change with time and culture.

Biological science supersedes social constructionism ideologies

Social constructionism sometimes is a consequence of biological science. This is observable all over the animal Kingdom and even in plants.

Mintum:
Is that the supreme court? The supreme court has the final say.

Read the screen shot of the Wisconsin Federal court above.
It reads: FEDERAL JUDGES DO APPOINT THE PRESIDENT IN THIS COUNTRY.

It had never happened in US history where the supreme court abrogated itself the power of appointing the president of the United States.

LibertyRep:
This government keeps setting undemocratic precedences.

We are practising American style democracy. When the House of Representatives summoned Trump and his cabinet members including civil servants to came and explain their involvement in the Ukraine scandal during the impeachment saga, did any of them honour the invitation?

In this type of government, the present doesn't have to answer to the national assembly, except the opposition party has enough members in parliament to impeach him.

justli:
Its incredibly disappointing to put it mildly that over 8 states have joined in the suit so far and Nairaland don't have the decency to report it just like most MSM networks...

One thing for sure, this Texas case is huge and straight to fed supreme Court. The court have asked the states to respond to the case and it's outcome determinant...

We will see how this all turn out...but one thing for sure, it is not over yet

Means nothing. In 2012 over 18 states joined Texas to demand secession because Obama won the elections. I had thought Texas would demand secession again along with her allies because a democrat won again.

Texas Wants To Secede From America More Than Any Other State
JUST A WEEK AFTER President Barack Obama was re-elected, a petition by Texans for the right to secede from the rest of the country has garnered some 64,000 signatures, many more than the 25,000 signature threshold needed to get a response from the Obama administration.

The petition was made on the government's "We the People" petitioning web site, along with secession petitions from at least 18 other states.
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/white-house-flooded-with-secession-petitions-after-obama-re-election

demmymoney:
Are u telling me that the USA judicial system doesn't allow for cases relating to election fraud and irregularities??

Election fraud is a criminal offense and it needs to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. The perpetrators will be jailed and their votes will be invalidated.

The courts cannot just invalidate the votes of whole districts or States on a blanket vote cancellation. It can only deal with individual cases or votes.

basilico:
Liberals Trump assassinate characters who don't go along with their beliefs.

That's the accurate description of Donald Trump and his cult members.

Dapcity007:
Civil judicial disputes not war

You Democrats don't realize that we Republicans are not stupid

You used covid 19 to amend ur state laws when the whole America was affected

Now using state courts to impede Democratic process

With clear evidences you dismissed our cases ;
As moot
Without prejudice
With prejudice
Its coming too late

Like wat d Bleep

We have raw judicial power since the death of Ginsburg

We will use it to our political advantage

Remember u liberals forced abortion laws on us via roe vs wade

No swallow the new jurisdictional interpretation of originalistic and federalist voters law

Who are the "you" ? Which party controls the house in all 4 states? Which party made and passed the said laws?

linearity:
The case is tossed, stopping the certification was the relief been sort, hence Justice Alito moved the time PA have to response from Wednesday to Tuesday 9am...because Wednesday 8th is the safe habit date.

Any State that certifies her election by the safe harbor date is guaranteed by federal laws to be considered as true and authentic, no questions asked....PA, GA, WI, AZ, etc have all certified their elections, so you can take it to the bank no lawsuit or dispute can undo them period!

On Monday next week Electors will meeting at each state capital in US to cast their electoral college vote for Biden, all these court cases are just side shows and are still ‘on going’ for Trump to keep getting donations.

Gbam!
You think Trump, Gulianni and the few hawkish lawyers still with him are stupid? Trump wants to cashout bigly on the stupidity of MAGAs. You know the saying in naija "Maga must pay".

Johnnyessence:
SUPREME COURT PUTS TEXAS CASE ONTO ITS DOCKET AS
ELECTION DEADLINES APPROACH
by Kevin Ryan
Multiple states have begun issuing statements of support for
the lawsuit filed by Texas that seeks to stop electors from
being appointed in four states. The lawsuit — filed directly with
the U.S. Supreme Court — alleges that election procedures in
Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin violated the
Constitution, tainting the integrity of votes in those states and
debasing votes in states that did not violate the Constitution.
Realizing that several deadlines are approaching for states to
commit electors, Texas says that the court has the power to
delay such dates, and “the only date that is mandated under
the Constitution is January 20, 2021,” referring to inauguration
day.
The lawsuit contends that the defendants:
• Violated the Electors Clause by improperly changing their
voting procedures through judicial or executive action, NOT
through legislation.
• Violated the Equal Protection Clause by effectively allowing
different election rules and procedures in different counties
within the states.
According to the lawsuit:
“Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the
pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding
absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded
their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and
ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are
lawfully received, evaluated, and counted.
“Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts
had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election
less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are
inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-
legislative entities, without any consent by the state
legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated
the Constitution.
“By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only
tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their
actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff
State and other States that remained loyal to the
Constitution.”
Texas is asking the Supreme Court for an injunction to halt the
appointment of electors, and to allow the results to be
reviewed by state legislators, who under the Constitution have
the power to appoint electors themselves. Republicans control
all four state legislatures.
The court “can delay the [December 14] deadline for the
appointment of presidential electors… The only date that is
mandated under the Constitution is January 20, 2021,” the
Texas lawsuit says.
The attorneys-general of Arkansas, Alabama, and Louisiana
have issued statements of support for Texas case today.
The Supreme Court has placed the motion on the docket, but
has yet to adjudicate.
SOURCES:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/
162953/20201207234611533_TX-v-State-Motion-2020-12-07
%20FINAL.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-lawsuit-texas/
texas-asks-u-s-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-
idUSKBN28I27I
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/
docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html

Imagine the rubbish from a supposedly sane mind. Texas is suing on behalf of the legislature and citizens of other states. Texas wants to determine how other states choose their electors, and they must chose electors that must vote it's prefered presidential candidate.

After the election of Barack Obama in 2012, Texas threatened to secede from the union. I think it's makes more sense for Texas to secede that to force it's presidential candidate on the union.

Texas Wants To Secede From America More Than Any Other State
JUST A WEEK AFTER President Barack Obama was re-elected, a petition by Texans for the right to secede from the rest of the country has garnered some 64,000 signatures, many more than the 25,000 signature threshold needed to get a response from the Obama administration.

The petition was made on the government's "We the People" petitioning web site, along with secession petitions from at least 18 other states.
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/white-house-flooded-with-secession-petitions-after-obama-re-election

Texas always displaying the same stupid shenanigans after each election it's prefered presidential candidate loses.

bluefilm:
Of course, they don't want to expose how DEAD people voted for Biden.

Evil Satanists.

Holy bluefilm. Why not list the names of dead people that voted for Biden and submit it along with your other evidence in court? Abi the dead people no get name?

Johnnyessence:
electoral frauds evidence is much abundant. you are not current at all. stop watching and reading main stream media.

Election fraud evidence is abundant, but yet non could be presented in court.

These are the words of Trump's Campaign lawyer Mr. Langhofer before a judge:
“This is not a fraud case, We are not alleging fraud. We are not saying anyone is trying to steal the election.”

Why not present your self and your evidence before the Trump campaign, I am sure they will pay millions of dollars to you for it.

Johnnyessence:
Rushing To Judgement And Media Gaslighitng.
Guys, do not let the mainstream media gaslight you concerning
the SCOTUS case filed by some Republicans in Pennsylvania.
Note that this is separate from the one filed by Texas now
joined by other States (more on that later).
The media is now GASLIGHTING people that the SCOTUS has
thrown out the case of these Republicans. They are
desperately doing their best to dampen the spirit of
Republicans.
That is simply not true. The case is still alive and well before
SCOTUS.
Yes, the SCOTUS has DENIED a big ask made by the
Republicans to "overturn" the election result in the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
The Apex Court denied the "emergency injunctive relief"
because it was too radical and would be unprecedented for a
Court to "overturn" the result of an election . But you need to
know that the substantive case is STILL PENDING before the
Court because it has not been heard on the merit.
The injunctive relief was denied by Justice Alito (and not by
the Full Court). Justice Alito denied the injunctive relief to
pave way for a determination of the case on the merit.
See photos 1 and 2 attached below.
Photo 2 is the injunctive relief denied.
In other words, for emphasis, the substantive case has not
been thrown out. Senator Ted Crus will still get to argue before
SCOTUS.
See this link to show that it is still on the Court's schedule;
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=
%2Fdocket%2Fdocketfiles%2Fhtml%2Fpublic%2F20a98.html
Interestingly, the Republican Plaintiffs in their Appeal have
also asked the SCOTUS to ADVISE THEM ON OTHER RELIEFS
THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
That general prayer or ask is what we should watch out for.
What reliefs would the SCOTUS be willing to grant if their case
succeeds on the merit?
SCOTUS could rule that the case succeeds on the merit and
then restore power to appoint Pennsylvania Electors back to
the Pennsylvania Legislature as per the US Constitution under
the Electors Clause instead of the Pennsylvania Secretary of
State.
Guys, this case is not over!
Immediately the news broke that SCOTUS has thrown out the
case in its entirety, I knew something wasn't right.
Why would SCOTUS accept to hear the case on the merit,
docket it and then dismiss it without a hearing?
It just didn't make any sense.
It didn't make sense because it never happened.
The case is still pending. The Court merely denied one radical
injunctive relief preliminarily. Period.
More information to come on the new States that joined Texas
in their lawsuit at the SCOTUS.

The red quote should have summarised the whole legal shenanigans and circus being displayed by Trump, Gulianni and Powell. You wrote a long irrational epistle but still came to a logical conclusion. No court in the US would overturn the result of an election, not to talk of overturning the election in over 4 states.

Sometime you really get disappointed by people you consider cerebral when it comes to issues of politics, religion and love.

basilico:
Why not wait and see to see how this great voter robbery plays out.Might end up with the Beijing Biden being sworn in, or him in shackles.
Karma is a bitch.
Do good and expect good tidings.

Why not place a bet. Who would be in shackles after January 20th 2021 - Trump or Biden?

You have yet to tell us what crime Biden is being accused of or what is he being investigated for.

basilico:
What is the point of voting in a republic when other states stop counting votes for hours only for them to resume with Joe Biden getting 113% of votes counted and Trump 87% whereas before the count was stopped Trump had over 51% of counted votes.

Circumstantial evidences at best. Tell Gulianni to bring it concrete evidence of votes that were changed, how many of them that were changed and the perpetrators of the fraud.

Republics are governed by laws. There are various avenues to seek redress for perceived grievances. The only other alternative is violence.

Why should Dominion Electoral counters have any algorithm in vote counts and give fractional votes instead of integers when tabulating?
Why should Georgia say they will stop counting simultaneously with 4 other battleground states where Trump was leading after which Biden then overtakes Trump.And video of the counting hall in Georgia show the democrats chase away everyone because of a leaking toilet at 10pm and leave Ruby Freeman, her daughter , Ray Snr counting ballots immediately after everyone else leaves.Now there is even video/audio of the planned stoppage of vote counting by the supervisor.

Same thing as I said above. Circumstantial evidence at best. The actual fraud was not even presented before even talking about evidence.

This thing is yuge. Activist judges are not allowing audits, simply throwing out all cases.50 so far.

You mean all the judges in all the 50 cases are activists judges. You know the saying that when every other person you meet is mad, then it's time to start looking at yourself.

And if you check, the military tribunal courts have cleared all Dec cases before them
.

Military tribunal court date in civil election cases? Are you sure you are not one a strong thing?

Something huge may or may not come up soon.Indict a rat and the rat will rat on who was issuing orders

Confirmation you need help.

Gullah:
God is about to do something amazing. To those that have believed the promise and have been on their knees before God since November 3rd, do not faint but stand firm and see the salvation of the Lord. Watch out for very soon you will see the Hand of God doing a great thing and you will know that it is the Lord and not man that has done this. Shalom

On top this coro period when the whole world economy is at a standstill, abeg take this your preaching to the religious section.

basilico:
Texans voted for Trump.They rejected Dominion Electoral vote counters.

You still don't get it and will probably never get it. Texans have no right to tell any other state what voting system to use. At best only the congress has the powers to interfere in election laws made by states.
Texas can reject Dominion system, thats their perogative, they can impose that on any other state.

Technocrats in those states enforced Dominion machines knowing very well they could be fraud prone.

Again, after the election has taking place, all voter and election fraud cases can only be litigated in the courts, Texas has no say in matters beyond its borders.

Also be aware that the Dominion system was used not only in the 4 states you guys are obsessed with but in over 24 states.

Fact check: Dominion software was not used only in states where Trump is filing lawsuits

Thousands of social media users have been sharing posts which claim that software from Dominion Voting Systems (a company that supplies election technology) is used in the same six states where President Trump is filing lawsuits in connection with the presidential election, suggesting that Dominion Voting is responsible for election fraud. These posts, however, are misleading. Dominion Voting systems were used in at least 24 states.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27S2Z9

I am sure Dominion system was used more in states where Trump won. So if you guys want elections cancelled in states where Dominion was used, then states won by Trump using Dominion must be cancelled as well.

A Texan vote is disenfranchised if those states used Dominion to alter votes.Ditto if they sent ballots to everyone on the voter rolls be they out of state or dead and who eventually voted.SC will rule on this by demanding to see if the irregularities captured live were part of as Joe Biden said "we have the most efficient ballot fraud thing...."

How is a Texan vote disenfranchised? Are their votes not counted? Is Texas electoral collage votes not casted? You are not making any sense at all.

Supreme Court can't manufacture evidence for Trump. The Supreme Court can only look at evidence presented at the lower courts and rule on it. Supreme Court obviously would not rule based on conjectures and innuendos.

sanpipita:
Of course basilico is back today running naked, after 49 loses, Texas suit is now what will upturn election for Trump, one week, one hysteria

Believe me, I have never seen someone so delusional and hysterical in my life. I wonder how they are able to function in everyday life.

basilico:
Thanks for the correction.
Did Joe Biden get 80m votes, was the election the most secure ever?
If your answer is Yes, then why are democrats rushing to dismiss cases on technicalities?
If Biden won lawfully , why don't they allow voter machine forensics and or ballot verification

The answer is a resounding YES!

2020 Election Was Most Secure in U.S. History, Cybersecurity Officials Say
Christopher Krebs, director of the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, testifies during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in Dirksen Building titled "5G: National Security Concerns, Intellectual Property Issues, and the Impact on Competition and Innovation," on Tuesday, May 14, 2019.
https://time.com/5911518/2020-election-most-secure-history/

The cases were not dismissed on technicalities, they were dismissed for lack of evidence. Trump lawyers presented no physical evidence to back up their claims.

The voter machines are not in Biden's custody, so he has no powers to allow voter machine forensics and or ballot verification.

basilico:
You don't get the argument.Texas is suing those states for violation of the constitution which allowed massive fraud.
Meaning Texan votes were cancelled by fraud at the state level by these technocrats not following the constitution.
States can sue other states.And present their case to the Supreme Court which will determine if the actions by these states diluted the constitution Texans were affected .
The SC is the arbitrator of states vs states.

I don't still get your argument. You mean Texan votes were cancelled by fraud at the state level by election laws made by Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia? How did a law made by legislatures in these states affect the Texas voter?
These states can choose whomsoever they wish as president, likewise Texas.

Now what are the prayers of this Texas suit?
To cancel the elections in all 4 states and deny them the electoral votes?

For the Supreme Court to allocate the electoral votes to Trump despite the results of the elections?

To arbitrarily cancel all Mail in and absentee ballots and mail in votes (which heavily favours Biden) from the official results and only leave the in person voting (which heavily favours Trump), hereby disenfranchising over half the registered voters?

You want trump who had never and will never have popular support to rule America by force? You realize that at no time in his presidency was he able to get 50% support from the citizenry. He may have cult following but he was the US most unpopular president in recent history.

ono:
We will see about that, attack dogs. One key point from the suit is that the rigged elections in these states are threatening the integrity of the elections in the country as a whole. On that premise, and I believe they have done their homework properly, unlike you shortsighted Biden goons, they know their case will be heard.

Imagine weeks after an election that's supposed to have ended on Nov 3, cases are piling up all over the land. Obviously, there is reason to throw out these "tainted" and compromised states votes.

Which cases are piling up and over which land? Trump and his goons are just throwing up frivolous cases without any evidence whatsoever.

You want to throw out the votes of whole states without any presenting valid evidence in a court?

Someone needs to check this guy into a mental institution before January 20th, bevause the closer the inauguration day, the more delusional he gets.