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UnknownT:
According to such pastors, women giving birth like the Hebrew women here means that there won't be any complications, they will just give birth naturally

Sorry, for pushing this hebrew women matter further, but it still does not make sense to me.
According to such pastors, is it that all hebrew women gives birth naturally, without complications or that only hebrew women that lived in ancient Egypt that always gave birth without complications?

Does it also means that only hebrew women have birth without complications? What of Egyptian women, philistine women, Cannanite women, Greek women, Babylonian women (all in the ancient world). Are there evidence of them all giving birth with complications?

Finally, does it mean giving birth with cs is neccessarily due to complications? There are many cases where women prefer cs without any complications, especially in the developed world where cs is as easy as pulling out a tooth.

So such pastors is telling us that a true Christian is forbidden from undergoing cs? What about other operations, like appendix, tonsillitis, kidney, etc, are Christians forbidden from undergoing any medical operation?

UnknownT:
Pharoah instructed the Egyptian midwives to kill any male child that was born by any hebrew woman but let the female child live. But the Egyptian midwives feared God and never wanted to be a part of Pharoah's plan, so they kept delivering both male and female, when Pharoah noticed, he asked but they "lied" to him that the Hebrew women delivered their children before they the midwives could come around.

Ok, but how does this relate to cs? How did this pastor relate this story to Christian women not eligible to undergoing cs?

UnknownT:
Giving birth like a Hebrew women is one myth in the bible that many Christians have seen as been truth. The midwives never wanted to be part of Pharoah's killings so they devised that lie to pharoah to keep the new born hebrew male safe
RIP
Exodus 1:17 explains why

Please explain what giving birth like a Hebrew woman mean? Does it mean Hebrew women in ancient israel gave birth in ways different from other women? Was Caesarian section available in ancient Israel?

eyinjuege:
The bolded shows the Dr advised a csec, but she said she was going to confirm from her pastor. The dr never advised her to go seek help elsewhere. He advised a csection.
Should her dr have held her down and stopped her from leaving his consultation against her will?

My apologies, was working and at the same time reading and commenting. Furthermore, I guess I was overly emotional at the needless loss of lives (mother and baby). If we were in a sane country, an investigation and an autopsy would be carried out to determine the actual cause of death and those responsible.

Which hospital or nursing home responsible for the delivery against doctors advice? What of the husband, why did he allow the wife to undergo normal delivery against doctors advice? Maybe it is a problem of finance.

Finally the governments needs to do something about the exorbitant and exploitative cost of cs, even in public hospitals. It encourages couples to go spiritual to solve simple maternity problems.

Once again apologies to doctors in the house.

Bhelamblog:
This is completely Heartbreaking, I Pregnant woman has died because she heed to her pastor's words, who ordered her not to go for C-Section..
For starters, the Doctors told the woman that her baby was on the wrong side of the womb, and so for that he strongly adviced her to go for C-section, But she told him she needed to confirm from her pastor , The Pastor prayed, and told her that she should never try a C-section, Because it is for Non-Christian, that she must give birth like the Hebrew Woman.. But sadly she lost her life, and the baby too.. so sad, her cousin shared the heartbreaking new on SM.

Read below!


News From Ebiwali-- http://www.ebiwalismoment.com/2018/02/heartbreaking-pregnant-woman-dies-after.html

The bolded red quote is a sad commentary on the state of our medical profession and in fact all professionals in Nigeria. A doctor advising patients to seek medical advise from a pastor has zero medical knowledge. The Doctor's license should be withdrawn.

Jolar101:
JAMB have been in stealing competitions with NNPC head by corrupt thieves elderly politicians in Nigeria government.


This morning, these same elderly Nigerian politicians are deceiving few gullible people for re-election.

Do not mind these people, they are talking as if JAMB had ever accounted for the billions of naira it makes yearly. JAMB is the most corrupt parastatal in Nigeria.
JAMB collects N5000 each from over 1.5 million candidates each year and also collected billions of naira as subversions from the FG. At the end of the year all these money is unaccounted for.
It is even commendable questions are being asked of JAMBs finances.

awesomeJ:
Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?

Is this a rebuttal of the fact that Nigeria has one of the worst infant mortality rate on the planet?

What has Ben Carson has to do with the fact that ten per cent of new-born deaths in the world last year occurred in Nigeria?

Read here for your enlightenment;

Nigeria has third highest infant mortality rate in the world – WHO

Nearly ten per cent of new-born deaths in the world last year occurred in Nigeria, a new report by the United Nations Children Fund, UNICEF, has revealed.

According to the report, five countries accounted for half of all new-born deaths last year, with Nigeria third in the list. These are India (24 per cent), Pakistan (10 per cent), Nigeria (9 per cent), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (4 per cent) and Ethiopia (3 per cent). Most new-born deaths occurred in two regions: Southern Asia (39 per cent) and sub-Saharan Africa (38 per cent).
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/246720-nigeria-third-highest-infant-mortality-rate-world.html/amp

Seun:
Here’s the problem with testimonies. They suffer from selection bias. When people experience bad luck, they don’t give testimonies, but when they experience good luck, they give testimonies. That gives listeners the impression that more good things are happening to the brethren.

If you told us the story of your life, mentioning only the positive things you have experienced, we would be envious of your good fortune.
However, if you mentioned only your negative experiences, we would think you were the most pathetic loser in the world. See what I mean?


The urge to pray in a church and cry to God was not mysterious. It is normal for a Christian who thinks his wife will die to do such things.

The successful delivery of his second wife was to be expected, since most deliveries are successful. The fact that he lost his first wife and child in childbirth makes the story even less impressive to me, because he would have taken more precautions e.g. getting her admitted at a better hospital. It also made me wonder why his miracle-working God didn’t answer his prayers when his first wife and child died on the same day.

The fact that both wives had difficult deliveries may be a coincidence. It may also be that he is a large man attracted to small-sized women.

Suppose a Muslim told you the same story you just told us, only replacing words like ‘church’ with ‘mosque’, etc. Would you convert to Islam?

Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

That interview was an embarrassment to the country. Another police officer insulting constitutional authority. Foreigners watching the programme would really belief Nigeria is truly a shithole or a zoo.
How will the Nigerian police that insults the elected governor of a state work to keep law and order in the same state.
It is always an anomaly to expected federal police to enforce state laws in state high courts. The states need state police under the direction of a state governor to enforce state laws.

lady2sexy:
Do you mean they're more critical in their thinking than us I have seen way smarter black folks even better than the white folks on the job yet they are religious. In fact I have never met a Nigerian that is self proclaim atheist in real life before and yet I have met Nigerians far smarter and technically sound than the smartest white folk I have ever worked with.

It depends on what you mean by critical thinking. If you define critical thinking as theorising, talking and praying about problems, then you cannot beat the black man, especially the Nigerian. But, if you define critical thinking as actually taking action and solving problems, then the white and even yellow people are way above us. The white man has to be adept at solving problems else they cannot survive the harsh environmental and geographic conditions of their environment, we on the other hand live in very clement environment and so require little problem solving to survive, giving us generous time for ceremonies, prayers and social nuances.

Ever wonder why white people are always made to head your department and probably your company? It has nothing to do with smartness as per paper qualification, but the ability to actually solve problems.

ThatIsokoGuy:
How a nigerian lady named Chinelo also known as ChiChi, drugged and slept with her best friend's thai friend, who came all the way from Thailand just to see him, after the two guys met on Facebook, and the thai boy was interested on the Nigerian young cosmetologist for his talent of good efficay from his cosmetic products.

According to the statements from the Nigerian young cosmetologist who hails from warri, Delta state, Decha is a thai young guy who the young beautician met on Facebook group chat and the thai boy was interested in him, but the reason the thai boy was so much interested to see him was because, he came across some people using the products of the Nigerian young cosmetologist in Thailand, he tried to reach him but he couldn't, until the very day he stumbled on a group chat, that was how they met on Facebook.
The thai guy told the Nigerian beautician that's he's coming to Nigeria to see him one on one, which he did successfully, and they were but living together in one house

There was a day the thai boy told the Nigerian beautician he will be taking him out, but his neighbor who is also known as a best friend pleaded with him to follow him, but Decha declined because he needed just himself and the beautician, Victory pleaded with him to let her come with them and he agreed.
That same night, Victory decided to drink cause its a stranger who took him out, he confirmed he doesn't drink any percentage of alcohol but he did that night,.
Decha and Victory got drunk and slept off.

After 14 days ChiChi confirmed she's pregnant for the thai stranger, and her parent said the boy must marry their daughter, they brought in police, took the beautician under police custody and detained, until Decha was tested by Dr Ashaka from warri and noticed he was actually drugged that same night, and got raped by ChiChi, she went further by saying she snicked sleeping pills into the beauticians drink, the case became complicated because she denied the the act until she was made to speak out.

All these things was what she later confessed herself,
Decha suggested abortion but the Nigerian beautician refused it because he wants her to keep the baby
Decha and Victory are still in a hotel for now till Decha returns back to Thailand 14days time.

Bolded red quote suggest gay things!

The story does not make sense? Why will a young Thai youth leave his country and start living with a guy in Nigeria he met on Facebook. What exactly is he doing in Nigeria?

How and where did chi chi rape the Thai guy when they were out without the knowledge of Decha? Did they all lodge into a hotel that nIght?

How did Thai guy get a hard on and released while being unconscious?

So where is the crime? If the women willingly opened their breasts for the pastor to suck or willingly open their legs for the pastor to penetrate, then it cannot be termed rape.

If a woman can give her husbands car or her full salary to a pastor and he cannot be arrested for scam, why arrest a man for suckling breast to deliver a woman.

nowpresence:
and who told you he hasn't done that. Do you know when he started doing charity. Do you know how many houses he has built for his members.

Provide statistics please. When did he start doing charity and to whom? Does he run a charity foundatuon? How many houses has he built for how many members? Are you saying all or most members of his church has the bare necessities of life?

what is wrong in a little enjoyment. Besides he is 70yrs old, so he shouldn't enjoy before he dies because some people are living in poverty.

So enjoyment according to your own gospel is driving a N100 million car? In that case you must be suffering as I am certain you do not even drive a N1million car. In fact most people in the world must be suffering including Christians because only very few people can afford to drive a N100 million car.
The new Christian doctrine of vain materialism is very destructive to the soul.

Money can buy all material things but money can't buy the real things like happiness, love and peace.

with the income you earn, how many people have you helped?
the man has paid his dues let him enjoy.

That is between him and his conscience, but at least he is not scamming poor people to maintain an exorbitant life style.

Agimor:
What's the fuss with being gifted a Car worth 100m? Or is it because he's a Pastor.... Nigerians and jealousy knows no bound.

A sheeple spotted! Now why will a pastor encourage his members to donate N100 car to him when majority of his followers cannot afford 2 meals a day, cannot afford decent accomodation and are searching for one help or the other?
Jealousy about what? That pastors are exploiting their members the same way politicians are exploiting the masses.

Xbee007:
Please don't let depression deny you the beauty of life. You are in total control of your life, please make wise choice.

You are talking from a position of ignorance. People don't choose to let depression take control of their life, depression is a medical condition that just happens. It is a mental disease like any other disease and needs to be treated at a proper hospital, and it has nothing to do with how rich you are. Depression afflicts the rich and the poor, the young and the old, the theist and the atheist. In fact depression can be hereditary.

Nigeria's brand of Christianity is based on Men of God living parasitically on its members. Most of the members of this church are desperately poor and are seeking for miracle our of their poverty, but they are further milked out of the little they have.

I know sheeples who are prepared to strap suicide vests on their chest to defend their God of Men would come here and praise the "blessings" bestowed on the Bishop and the blessings the donors are assured.

The other day the Pope donated a similar care given to him by a member. Now if the Pope also demand seeds and tithes from his over 1 billion followers, I am certain he would be richest man in the history of the world.

Gkay1:
d story is not complete, the pastor returned d car nd d documents.

The pastor has no choice. He can get sued for accepting a gift from a third party who is not the legal owner of the car. It is like accepting stolen property as gift.

12submarine:
Control your jealousy.

You control your sheepleness. Oyedepo got rich on the back of people's donations. It is the same thing as politicians getting rich on the backs of people's taxes.

I am certain her lawyers signed a non disclosure agreement with pastor Suleiman, else this confession would be evidence to nail her at the courts.

Money has changed hands. Case closed. Stephanie Otobo done hammer.

phenol33:
stop all these nonsense talks! the cattle colony proposal is not by force...

benue can decide that they don't want the cattle colony but let them not complain of any killing I near future...

the south east said they are ok with ranching and cattles feeding on uncultivated lands. and it has been working for us. so don't instigated hatred we don't want it.

Is this not blackmail? "Accept cattle colony or we will continue to murder your people " you are saying cattle colony is the only condition for peace.

So the uncultivated lands belongs to nobody? You are now saying because I have uncultivated lands means I must submit it to Fulanis for agricultural/pasturial purposes by force or they will start murdering my family.

jusRadical:
He is an anti-corruption sage but the corruption during obj's tenure was massive.

What happened in the obj's privatization era? Who was to fund Ribadu's election then? Were they not they same corrupt politicians? Birds of the same feather flock together. And you think that Ribadu would turn back and fight those that sponsored his election?

So what other option are you proposing? Anybody that wins the presidential elections would certainly have to be sponsored by corrupt politicians, except the candidate is a super corrupt politician like Atiku. So you are saying Nigeria should not have a President or government.

xcolanto:
LordAdam16 your schooling these self acclaimed repentant zombies! Deep down despite their pretence they still have a soft spot for buhari based on ethnic, religious and tribal affiliations. I can see right through them like water. The same old wolves in sheep clothings!

They talk like it's going to be a walk in the park removing buhari from power! An ex-militarty man that spent donkey years looking for power is not Democratic enough to release it in 4 years. Let them keep fooling themselves to thinking PMB is or can ever be better than GEJ at anything, its their zombie likes they can deceive not any right thinking person.

Meanwhile You can never see the likes of sarrki,hungerbad,tayebest,ilugunboy,aresa, pearlstreet,evilmetalhuman,basic123, simpleseyi,subway, alariwo2,madridguy,gbera, chokolatunji, babyfaceafrica, frathmathy, ntoakwaibom, omenka, passingshot, vedaxcool, hilroy, oladimagyy, blackpand, generalojukwu, hungerbad, bolustica, babaramota1989, maclatunji,markfemi2,jesuslovesu,modelmike,kingsango,abawora, mvitalis, okoroawusa,yyeske, barem, imperialyoruba,wristbangle, gbera, benekruku,victorvex and other top class nairaland zombies on this thread.

Foul! As bad as Buhari is (and yes Buhari is performing woeful), he cannot be compared to the ineptitude, incompetence and corruption of Jonathan.

Haganah:
Lols. If you had the power to see the future how come you did not see that Buhari/Osibanjo was a failed option during the elections?

Or were you blinded by tribal sentiments and chose to vote bacause our brother will become VP?

Abeg!

Buhari will contest in 2019 and win smoothly. Deal with it! Osibanjo will be kicked out in the coming weeks.

Deal with with it!

Yes agreed Buhari was a failed option during the elections but Jonathan was no option at all. Present Jonathan again and Nigerian will be forced to go with the failed option.

laudate:
If the armed gangs and criminal herdsmen who carry out cattle rustling are not disbanded or eradicated, then ranching is highly unlikely to stop cattle from being stolen. It just means that such armed gangs would then turn their attentions on the ranches, and raid them, at will. They may even extend such attacks to the surrounding community, who have nothing to do with such cattle. It has been said that the inability of the state to effectively respond to conflicts, violence, and banditry, "has allowed an expansion of the frontiers of banditry, and other forms of criminality."

Thanks for your expose. You have a better grasp of the situation than most if not all our politicians, including the OP. The problem is highly complex and multidimensional, and it is obviously beyond the mental capacity of our politicians.

One of the major problem causing this Fulani herdsmen problem is our borderless borders, especially the northern borders. Presently, Nigeria seems to be the final destination for Fulani herdsmen from all west African countries and beyond. And if something is not done to arrest the situation, Nigeria might end up being Fulani country.

It would be difficult for government to assist these herdsmen because we simply do not know how many there are and how many are actually Nigerians. If the government decides to help Fulani cattle herders, more will simply come in from Niger, Mali, Senegal, Chad Mauritania, etc. Nigeria can't cater for all Fulanis on the planet.
We need to effectively police our borders to restrict foreigners from causing us problems and destabilise the country.

Another problem we have is that the governments accommodation and reward of violence, criminals and criminality. The Nigerian government has a policy of rewarding violence and criminals instead of dealing with it and bringing criminals to justice.
Niger Delta militants kill foreigners, kill people and random, blow pipelines and engage in bunkering (illegal), the government rewards their leaders with billions and reward tens of thousands of foot soldiers with N65,000 per month.
Boko Haram takes up arms and kills tens of thousands, displaces millions, burns thousands of villages and kidnaps and rapes thousands of young ladies, what does government do? Bribe their leaders with millions of dollars and offer them amnesty. Too bad they rejected amnesty.

Currently, cultists (another euphemism for ritualists, armed robbers, kidnappers,) have taken over Lagos, Ondo, Ogun, Rivers, and some other states, the government responded by hosting them to lavish receptions and giving them amnesty.

So the Fulani youths also need to cause carnage to attract governments attention and obtain their own concessions or amnesty.

Pity my igbo in laws decided to take the peaceful path. That was why the government dealt mercilessly with their own agitations and conceded nothing.

I put all Nigeria's problems to lack of governance on all levels.

londoner:
And Nigeria is only complicated under Buhari but not under GEJ?

The same things Nigerians complained about under GEJ are happening now but the difference is that Nigerians are not up in arms about it as they were under GEJ because THEY DARE NOT. The same corrupt members of PDP simply cross carpeted to APC under your very eyes. Anyhoo, enjoy your Buhari.

False! Nigerians are not scared of Buhari. If Nigerians could confront Abacha, who is Buhari? The reason Nigerians have not taken up arms against Buhari is because of what the OP said, Jonathan imposed Buhari by his abysmal performance. Without Jonathan's corruption, ineptitude and naivety Buhari would never have stood a chance. Buhari has the luxury of putting the blame of the present state of things squarely on Jonathan.

londoner:
You chose hot pepper soup from the menu in protest against rice and stew but you are complaining about the spiciness and blaming the rice. Lool

Jonathan rice and stew? Well I am not surprised, to most Koreans Kim Jong Un is salad and chicken.

Although Buhari is messing up big time, Jonathan was a bigger failure.

tuniski:
No she certainly can't! Macron example doesn't suffice!

Why can't she? Give valid reasons.

Macron example suffices. We have had our own "Macron" at state levels in Nigeria. Tinubu formed a party AC and defeated the 3 existing pioneer parties. Orji Uzor Kalu single handedly formed a party and within 6 months defeated the highly established parties. Even the current running party was registered a year earlier and went ahead and beat PDP that was over 18years.
Someone or some people can form a new political party tomorrow and the party can go on and defeat APC, PDP, APGA and the rest of them.

XingXhang:
Jesus didn't dance nor sang. The Old Testament, they sang and danced.

Jesus didnt tithe. Abraham tithed.

And Jesus tied our prosperity to Abraham. We are all children of Abraham, by faith, in Christ.

You wee never understand coz you're not saved.

Since Abraham tithed and Jesus tied your prosperity to Abraham, it means you must follow Abraham footsteps and not Jesus, so go sleep with your maid and marry your half Sister so you can be richly blessed.

tuniski:
Wrong and big lie! Macron was/is part of the establishment he only broke away like nPDP with Saraki now senate president!

What is the big lie? That Macron did not form his own political party and won the established big parties?

You said that PDP/APC cannot be defeated, I provided an example where a newly registered party defeated the established big parties and you switched the argument to "part of the establishment". Did you expect someone who could achieve such feat to be a complete stranger? Was/is Oby Ezekwesili not part of the establishment? Can't she achieve the same feat if she registers a political party and actually give PDP/APC a run for their money? just as macron did (assuming we can organise free and fair elections), as she has proven to be a great mobilizer.

tuniski:
The question is whether red card is a political party or a pressure group?
As it stands APC/PDP can't just be dismissed with red card!

Says who? Emmanuel Macron formed his party La République En Marche! In August 2016, and won the presidential election 7 may 2017. What we lack is visionary leadership with ideology, something we lack seriously in this part of the world. The only thing binding PDP and APC is sharing of the national cake.