₦airaland Forum

shadowgwalker:
thats because they did not expect to encounter such on their way. They are armed for terrorist and not civilians, but the kind of threat they encountered gave them no option.

what will u say if the 'peaceful' protestors had overpowered them and taken their guns?


I DONT TRUST MUSLIMS !!!

Then the wailers would be estastic and accuse the snake charming COAS, the Nigerian Army and the C in C of incompetence.

femu:
You have made a good point, however without rule of law in a few years after retirement he too can be subjected to injustice by government agents. look at the ex DSS director under obj who was thrown outside his residence, he too bullied people during obj regime.

we have to stop this mad cycle of agbero life

That is why we need the promote the rule of law and building stong institutions. At the moment we are operating a sort of Democratic Monarchy, where elected officials are immuned from the law. Under this kind of arragements, institutions are compromised including the judiciary.

Military men should be isolated from the civil populace, In the US and UK, you do not see fully armed Military men roaming the streets, mingling with civilians. Their Barracks and bases are build away from civilian areas to avoid clashes. Military men are psychologically trained to be highly aggressive and have to be rehabilitated to allow them blend back into society upon retirement.

crossover:
Many commentators here do not know the practice in most of the major cities in the north. It is common to see major roads (even interstates) blocked during important occasions especially during Friday prayer. Many occasions in Maiduguri and Kano, our vehicles and others such as military vehicles will have to wait till the end of prayer sessions especially on Fridays or important days. May be due to the recent attack on their members, those in the video may be guards to the sect members who were already on the prayer ground. Whatever, either rightly or wrongly, Nigerians need to know who gave the order. Order for this kind of brutality/revenge can only be given by the C-in-C. We need to know who is in charge of the military in this our democratic government. Please agree with me that the life of every citizen is sacrosanct.

Why must you bring in Buhari in a matter that is purely a military - civilian( religious cult) misunderstanding? Does Buhari have to give orders before any shot canbe fired by any military man? So the chief of army staff or any other General does not have the authority to order his troops to shoot?
Your hatred for Buhari is beclouding you sense of reason.

femu:
Wrong!!!

there are rules of engagement and soldiers are deployed for peace keeping and monitoring operations.

Do you mean in a UN operation Nigerian soldiers will slaughter their hosts when they protest?

Do you know it's illegal to use or deploy soldiers for internal operations without legal backing?

You should know that a soldier is not trained to use rubber bullets or dispel civil protests, a soldier is trained to kill or be killed. Protest are to be handled by the police or other para-military agencies.

I have been screaming for ages that it is wrong to deploy soldiers for civilian operations like protests, armed robbery and elections. It is very wrong and leads to the use of excessive force and hence strain the relationship between the military and civilians. Although in this case the army is said to be passing by with the COAS and his convoy was blocked by religious people. It is wrong for the chief of Army to be stuck in the middle of a protest or religious procession.

Boss13:
It is obvious that Jonathan intends to surpass Abacha in the corruption game

Intend ke , Jonathan surpassed Abacha, IBB and Abdulsalami all added together. Under Abacha crude prices never went above $16 per barrel, at one point it was as low as $8, and volume never went above 1.5million barrels per day. Under Jonathan, crude prices averaged over $100 per barrel consistently for 5 years, with production more than 2million barrels per day. Jonathan made more money than all the military regimes of IBB, Abacha and Abdulsalami.

Sincere9gerian:
Whatever you put up there, if truly they were said by Kanu, they are his personal opinion. I don't listen to radio Biafra. Let the government present those statements to the law court

But Kanu is the leader of the Biafran cause, so his opinion can be regarded as the opinion of his organization. I still ask, why are you reluctant to criticize Kanu for his violent hate speeches but quick to criticize Seun for reacting to them?

Sincere9gerian:
Let me start by making this initial clarification. I am not pro-Biafra. I am for a united Nigeria, though not under the current structure.

However, I believe all people have the right to determine their future and how they want they want to be governed. Therefore, those who are agitating for the actualization of the sovereign state of Biafra have every right to so do, provided they're go about it peacefully.

It is in this light that I view the controversial NL rule 9 as draconian, authoritarian, totalitarian, antidemocratic, discriminatory, unjust and reckless. Such rules should have no place in any free de7mocratic society.

Even Boko Haram and it's leader Shekau, in spite of all their atrocities and gruesome killings of over 10,000 innocent civilians, were neither singled out for discrimination nor shutout by any media organization, not even NL.

No sane mind would support a rule that clamps down a group of people just because of they hold a contrary view on burning national issues. The few that appear to support Seun's rule 9 do so mostly out of hate for anything Igbo.

I believe that if NL is a free democratic forum, the right approach to the current agitation for Biafra by certain people is to counter them with superior arguments.

Those who are in the forefront of the clamor for Biafra are doing so because Nigeria is not working. If the antiBiafran forces also believe Nigeria is not working, what then is the solution?

I still believe in one and united Nigeria but under true federalism. I understand the southwest and southsouth also wants true federalism.

I want a Nigeria where the Enugu state government can fix the Enugu-PH road, rather than wait for politicians far away in Abuja. I want a Nigeria where Benue and Anambra state governments can raise over #20 billion monthly from VAT on farm produce and goods respectively, rather than wait to receive #2 billion monthly from Abuja. I want a Nigeria that is competitive and works for the majority.

The current structure of Nigeria is clearly not working for the majority of Nigerians, whether Igbo, hausa or Yoruba.

If the southwest and southsouth wants true federalism, the north is calling for maintenence of status quo and some elements from the southeast are agitating for actualization of Biafra, then national dialogue is inevitable. While the proponents of Biafra may have taken what seems like extreme position in some people's opinion, but sometimes extreme views are needed so that we can reach a middle point at round table. For those who want true federalism, the proponents of Biafra maybe their only hope of seeing a Nigeria under true federalism in their life time.

To conclude, I hereby join other well meaning Nigerians to call on Seun and his management to review NL rule 9. Otherwise some of us will quietly leave the forum because rule 9 as it is presently, represents everything that a great online forum such as NL shouldn't be.

If you were really sincere, you will not only admonish Seun for taking drastic measures against Biafran agitators, you would have also criticize Kanu and his IPOB youths for the way they go about their agitation. You did not condemn Kanu for instructing his followers to kill Kumuyi if he goes to preach in Aba, meanwhile there are hundreds of Igbo pastored churches in the west. You found nothing wrong in Kanu insulting and preaching hate against all other Nigerians with contrary views, ie Yorubas, fulanis, Nigerdeltans and even other Igbos. Hatred for other tribes within a country is never a valid excuse for secession.

We all agree that the current Nigerian structure is not working (except the political elites). It encourages corruption and inefficiency. The 36 state structure and 774 local governments are just avenues for national cake sharing rather than for development, we should have no more than 6 states, with each state being semi autonomous, this way the cost of governance would be reduced up to 70%, and there would be money for development.

Why is Mark zuckerberg denying Donald trump his fundamental human rights of free speech, he must have been influenced by Seun. Oya my people, start deactivating your Facebook accounts.

EasternLeopard:
You live on planet mars

Find out who the 5% are

May be a look at the regions that he got least vote will help you

You can look up INEC's records of the last elections to confirm where Buhari got less than 5%.

christopher123:
IN THE LAST 10 YEARS..NIGERIANS HAS NEVER HAD IT THIS BAD...EVEN IF JONA WAS SHOWING BAD ECONOMY...IT WAS NEVER THIS BAD.

That was because in the last 10 years crude prices had never been this bad save a brief period under OBJ when crude fell the $30s. Then the economy was cushioned by money from the excess crude accounts. But now no such cushion as all the money had been looted. So the Nigerian economy and the naira is at the mercy of international crude oil prices.

EasternLeopard:
Buhari called the region that feeds his region 5% and still expects to use the oil wealth gotten from that region to take care of his region.

Guy

Buhari has being cursed by the God of the 5% that's why his government can't enjoy their oil wealth


Buhari should look Northward for the wealth needed to run his government.

The 5% region does not feed Nigeria as the major oil producing states of the Nigerdelta is not part of the 5%. If you say Buhari should look northward for wealth to run his government, then you people also should look eastward to run your states or should i say your Biafra.

christopher123:
How did APC fool many..that's what I keep asking yet no one could explain ...how did they sell Nigerians dummy well most Nigerians are dummies .with all due respect


When they were chanting change and sai buhari ..I was not impressed ...why ? Cos buharri and APC did not give us any economic blueprint on how they will run this economy

Now look at the mess we are in

Would things have been better had Jonathan won re election? I don't think so. Signs of a worsening economy were already showing before he left.

Buhari (i did not say APC) did not campaign on the economy or any economic blue print, he campaigned on tackling Boko Haram and fighting corruption. People that voted for Buhari does not expect an economic miracle. Buhari had never claimed to be an economic guru, he is known to be an efficient war general and a strict disciplinarian.

nikz:
It's now clear to us that APC were not ready to rule they wanted to fight thinking GEJ will not concede defeat but thank God for everything. So they should change the economy as said and stop the blame game. We are tired. I'm am not igbo but we are tired. All the sectors are suffering. Every month people are laid off jobs what are we talking about here?

Why not propose an idea on how to change the economy with no cash. remember crude prices averages $40/barrel and no money in our foreign reserves and sovereign wealth fund, not to talk of loan commitments on loans taken by the last administration.

Newmanluckyman:
... Thank you my brother. This is exactly what President Barack Obama told Iranian govt when they where shouting 'death to America'. In Obama exact words he said 'shouting death to America will never create jobs, improve infrastructure, standard of living for the common Iranian citizens. APC should take note.

And where do you want the government to get the money to do all these things? Why not encourage PDP and their cronies to return the monies they looted and see whether the government would use the money to create jobs, improve infrastructure, standard of living for the common Nigerian citizens.

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ikkkkk:
Kids all over nairaland. Sometimes I wonder if most people in this forum understand simple English at all. I spent my Sunday without light and fuel. Moreover, I have not even been paid my November salary by FG. I lamented all day. Just at d time I saw a post in nairaland addressing my predicament, I saw bunch of brainless tribal fools trying to tribalize the issue.

No one is saying PDP should return to power. They are only telling APC to stop blaming the last government and start working because the economy was better under the last government than what APC turned it into.

Are you telling us that you are unable to correlate your current predicament with the massive looting that took place during the last administration? Are you aware Okonjo Iweala had to borrow money to pay your salaries before she left? Most states were owing several months of salaries before Buhari took over.

You said the economy was better under the last government, why not? Crude was selling for an average of $100 per barrel for almost 5 years. What other economic improvement did Jonathan add to Nigeria? What else does Nigeria export and how else do we earn forex? In reality Buhari is getting about 1/3 what Jonathan got, and you are here screaming the economy was better under Jonathan.

Pray hard that crude prices should jump above $60 per barrel soon or you will feel how much worse the economy can get, since your hero decided to turn Nigeria's money into PDP's money instead of saving for the rainy day?

[size=14pt]If you vote the APC, you will go to prison. How can you jail somebody for 300 years? I’m not ready to carry food to my husband inside prison oh! - Patience Jonathan [/size]

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Please stop this Nonsense!! GMB cannot be the investigator, prosecutor, police, judge, executor in these cases. Let the be charged if they have enough evidence... We aren't in Idi Amin republic!!

Stop talking like a corrupt illiterate, GMB controls investigative and prosecutory agencies like the police and EFCC, as they are branches of the executive. This control should ordinarily be moderated by the legislature. GMB had never claimed to be a judge and executor, that is why the cases are being tried in at the courts. That journalists are reporting the investigations is their fundermental rights. If Buhari should ban reportage of investigations into corruption cases, it is you wailers that will still wail "dictatorship"

All corruption cases around the world attract a lot of media attention. Fifa officials are undergoing public investigations right now, no body is screaming witch hunt, they would be pronounced guilty or innocent after they have been tried in a court.

paramakina202:
Kanu have supporters everywhere you go.

Even in Duara and Sokoto? Buhari has cult followership in the north that cannot be compared to Kanu.

Followership does not translate to righteousness. Hitler had tens of millions of fanatical followers, Al-baghdadi has millions of fanatics the world over, who are ready to martyr themselves for him, so should the Iraq and Syria partner with him?

Yes, Kanu is a bigger crowd puller; in Aba. Let him go to Duara, in katsina or anywhere in the north, then we will see how many crowd he can pull.

What business can the the country do with someone that has declared war on it? How can a country partner with someone calling for arms to murder other tribes in the country? Nigeria might as well partner with shekau or whoever Boko Haram's leader is, because of charisma and the ability to pull crowd.

No sane Nigerian has questioned the rights of Kanu and his IPOB supporters to their freedom of expression, the issue is the threats of violence, hatre speeches against Nigeria and other tribes, death threats against other tribes, soliciting for arms to kill other Nigerians and radicalizing young Igbo youth to violence. No other country would tolerate such nonsense. Let a Muslim go the US and promote death and killing of other Americans in the name of freedom of expression and see what happens.

ethicalUser:
Very soon we will hear Linda Ikeji's name.

Thats true. I wonder if Linda Ikeji, Uncle sam, Tony Momoh and even seun did not share in the largess. They too are in need of compensation for loss o f revenue because of boko haram and media promotion of the achievements of president Jonathan before the elections.

Na wa o, Office of the National Security Adviser has become an Insurance Agency to pay compensation for private properties destroyed by Boko Haram. What of all the other thousands of villagers whose properties has been destroyed by Boko Haram, did the NSA pay them also? Is Nduka Obaigbena telling us that Thisday's properties are not insured and that the office of the National Security Adviser would pay for all, thefts and damages to their properties?

Why would the office of the National Security Adviser pay for damages for seizure of newspaper by (suspected) armed soldiers? how did they arrive at the amount for compensation? Was the case case taken to court or the national security adviser is now a civil court awarding damages against itself. Is this the first time newspapers has been seized in Nigeria? Is it even the first time thisday newspaper has been seized and destroyed by government agencies?

meccuno:
if u start investiGating billionaires like tinubu,odili, atiku, danjuma, obj, ibb, ki doubt we would have any billionaires left........stop hating

Tinubu asserts alone are worth billions, now if you add 5% (not sure of the exact figures) of Lagos revenue his Alpha Beta collects from Lagos state government monthly (we do not know how much he collects from other APC states) and the money he must have stolen as Lagos state governor for 8 years, i am sure he is worth billions in dollars.

Odili, i have no ideas of his investments or wealth, but he stole rivers state blind for 8 years.
Atiku. Do you know how the worth of Intel, only Intel is allowed the to transport oil and oil products between the seas and the various ports or depots in the Nigerdelta. Intel makes billions yearly, and we have not even considered the worth of American University in Nigeria.

Danjuma is worth billions in dollars. He has at least three oil blocks (one of them in Benin Republic), those oil wells make him billions yearly.

Nobody knows the exact worth of IBB and OBJ, but with the amount of cash they are speculated to have looted, i am sure it runs into billions of dollars. Furthermore, IBB and OBJ has many fronts in the oil and telecommunication sectors, who do business for them in the background.

We know Ifeanyi Uba, has capital oil which is estimated to worth Tens of billions of naira, but if we deduct his debts, i am not sure his net worth would amount to anything. I am not aware of any other major investment of Cosmas Maduka outside the victoria island office complex ( that is assuming he owns the complex), so we would have to see his bank balance to know his bankactual worth.

GIYAZZ:
You can't keep pushing one to the wall and don't expect him to push back.

I love Nigeria and I want it to stand. But what I don't support is depriving people their right to express their feelings and desires.

Nairaland is a public forum, and banning of Topics related to Biafra or her movement is wrong. Very wrong!

They should be allowed conversation and argument as this will provoke the government to act fast. Bullying them into silence is savagery!

We are all pushed to the wall, Igbos are not the only one pushed to the wall. Kanuris feel pushed to the wall, Ijaws feel pushed to the wall, jukuns feels pushed to the wall, even the Okun recently felt pushed to the wall.

The right to express your feeling should be done with decorum, you do not express your feelings by disregarding and hurting the feelings of others. The Biafrans have been insulting the Nigerdeltans calling them senseless and stupid because the do not buy the Biafran idea, now what kind of right is that.

Biafran topics should be banned until the Biafran agitators learn to use intellectual arguments to support their agitation instead of violent language and threats. The problem is impressionable youths who can easily be radicalized to hate hausas, Yoruba and other Nigeria's and be turned into terrorist, the same way ISIS turn young impressionable Muslim youths into terrorists.

martyns303:
Dude, I am not even Igbo, Neither am I in support of Biafra, go through my post, I have never said anything for or against their agitation. What am saying is that NL is now a big establishment, seun can't be running it like a kiosk.

Look, i never had anything against the Biafran agitations itself, it is non of my business, but my quarrel is the methods they employ to go about it. Now, tell me how many media organizations - both main stream and social, would allow the level of insults, threats, intimidation and outright hate displayed by these Biafran agitators. They would ruin the integrity of that media organization in a short time. It got so bad that at one time most topics in the politics section were vulgar insults between Biafran agitators and other Nigerian tribes.

I repeat no other media organizations would take that nonsense. If they are really serious about using online media to promote Biafra, they should buy a domain, pay for webpage and host a website for such purpose. All Biafrans of similar ideas would use the site.

gentlelarry:
talk about the igbo's alone and leave the niger delta out of it! They are not igbo's you know! They even hate the Igbo's more than yoruba or hausa! They will never buy to dis idea yeye biafra or what gibberish do u call it. You think they don't know u people are after their resources!

My brother the tin tire me o. some Igbos can no longer pronounce Igbo without adding Niger delta. Meanwhile, we the original Nigerdeltan never involve Igbos in any of our affairs.

All our leaders have dissociated themselves from Igbo agenda, them no gree. This one na by force marriage o.

martyns303:
How do the 2 events correlate? One is an act of terrorism. Wales is trying to break off from the UK, has Facebook enacted a law prohiting people from using Facebook to advance their course? Or have Facebook banned people agitating for the breakaway?

Then you are free to continue your Biafran insults and war chants on Facebook, afterall, Jonathan brought Facebook to Nigeria.

Restricting site access to certain visitors is the norm in cyberspace. Many sites restrict visitors from Nigeria and many other countries, it has nothing to do with free speech. Seun can decide to restrict or ban Biafrans, or even Ghanians and Jamaicans, that is his prerogative. Nairaland is not the only forum in Nigeria.

I support Seun 100%. Seun is a business man and has the right to protect the integrity of his business. Biafrans have taken over nairaland with anti government and anti Nigerian sentiments.They insult everybody and anybody who does not share their ideas. They follow the footsteps of their director, who think that agitating for Biafra means both verbal and physical war and threats of all other Nigerians. They have really degraded the value of Nairaland. Most respectable organizations would not advertise on Nairaland.
Biafrans should take their Biafran agitations to Igbo owned fora and social media like Linda Ikeji. Let Seun return Nairaland back to its glory days.

Most these Nigerian billionaires are just celebrity billionaires or media billionaires, examples are Jimoh Ibrahim, Cosmas Maduka, Ifeanyi Uba, Otedola. The real billionaires do not make noise. If the NDIC should publish the degree of indebtedness of these so called billionaires, you will be shocked. The live on borrowed money.

Macelliot:
Cosmas is richer than Uba...

You forgot the Ifeanyi Uba was Cosmas Maduka's apprentice/servant?

That is why Ifeanyi Uba knows more about Maduka's worth than you.

I am not comparing who is richer between Uba and Cosmas, What i can compare is who is more indebted. Both are indebted to banks to the tune of billions of naira.

Cosmos borrowed N21 billion from access bank to finance oil importation business with Ifeanyi Uba. Till today, i am not aware the loan has been liquidated. Cosmas and Uba had evaded the hammer because the last government was protecting them. If this government should start re-investigating the un-ethical loan deal and the phantom BMWs Cosmas was involved with, IPOB youths will start shouting witch hunt. Even the last administration was not able to exonerate Cosmas and Uba inspite of numerous investigations carried out by the senate, EFCC and investigative panel.

Cosmas main business is sales agent to some international auto brands, the main one being BMW. He gets the cars (on credit) and gets commission on sales. There is no way he can be a billionaire in dollars on sale commissions, unless you say it is his pure water business that brings in billions of dollars.