₦airaland Forum

Agadinaagwuofe:
In as much as this is not to counter your submission. In all, court judgement should not supercede the will of the people. The electoral process should be made in such a way the court can only cancel and prosecute offenders but have no authority to "assign" winner no matter the claim. The court should only adjudicate on the fairness and credibility and if found the process doubtful only possess the right for outright cancellation and call for full or partial re-voting than awarding claimants votes and declare him winner against the choice of the populace. This is just my opinion.

Again if the Uzodimma case took advantage of weakness in electoral process it means PO or any of the candidates can also "take advantage" especially for PO who has a genuine claim of suppression of votes to ride on that precedence.

Nigeria Nigerian courts will rule an election rigged or manipulated, which is a serious crime by itself, and assign a winner but will not prosecute and punish anyone for the crime. You would think the election was rigged by spirits.

donbenie:
So?
It should be accepted as the norm?

There are no elections elsewhere that is blatantly rigged like Nigeria. The imperfections of elections elsewhere are minor infrastractions by voters themselves and not a deliberate manipulation by the electoral body and one of the political parties.

garfield1:
Electoral act is not concerned about credibility but substantial compliance.as far as there is enough compliance and obi cannot prove that he could have won,the elections will stand.no matter how many times you do the elections,we would have issues.even if tinubu did not make 25% in se ss,he made it in the north and sw

That's the problem with Nigerians and the Nigerians system, we tend to justify dishonesty and crime using meaningless terms and technicalities. What is substantial compliance and who determines substantial compliance. Yaradua was elected on ballot papers without serial numbers as specified in the electoral law, the supreme court ruled that there was substantial compliance. Now, an election was conducted with lots of evidence of fraud, voter intimidation, manipulation of figures and violence, you shout the same substantial compliance.
How do you expect a presidential candidate to prove substantial compliance? You want him to prove fraud, voter intimidation, manipulation of figures and violence in all 176,974 polling units in Nigeria?
You and I should demand credible elections. That alone will make us proud as a people, not the charade we have been having (and it's gets worse with each election cycle) since 1960. Bad elections alway bring bad consequences and set us backward. Remember, it was rigged elections in the South West was the excuse for the first military coup which led to the civil war. Similarly it was the rigged elections of the 1983 elections (remember Wetie almost repeated itself in Ondo with the Omoboriowo saga) that was the excuse for the 1983 coup that brought in General Buhari.

garfield1:
Overall,the yorubas voted tinubu.obi won the Christian dominated areas of north central while losing the Muslim areas massively.in the ss,obi won but tinubu and atiku got good votes.so how would obi have won?

You are not getting me. I am not saying Obi won or would have won. What I am saying is that the elections lacked credibility and its cannot be used as a gauge for who won or could have won. I believe might have won but not outrightly. He have struggled to make 25% in any of the South South and South East states while Obi would have struggled to make 25% in the core northern states and rural yoruba states.

OGHENAOGIE:
cos PDP APC is more rooted in Ogun state... And they're aren't swayed by religious factor that Made Obi win Lagos plateau nassarawa Cross river Edo.. majority of Yoruba no Care about religion...

Which rooted in Ogun State? Was Labour Party rooted in Lagos, Abuja or even Anambra? People voted for Labour as a protest vote against APC and PDP than any rooted or structures. In Lagos how many Labour Party offices were there. In the whole of Ikorodu, I did not see one Labour party office.

garfield1:
Csn you honestly say the north and west will vote obi

The north East and North West will not vote Obi for obvious reasons, but the North Central voted Obi. In the West Urban Areas where there are lots of other tribes and lots of Yorubas that were disappointed with APC voted Obi. Remember Afenifere, OBJ and some prominent Yorubas supported Obi. Also remember Obi lived, worked and did business in Lagos for decades.

But in the South South and South East, why will the people vote Tinubu. APC and Tinubu were never popular or accepted there.

BIZNess123:
But how come tinubu could not get 25 percent in southeast ... even abia state with close proximity to PH...

If we are to tell ourselves the truth, Tinubu cannot get 25% in Port Harcourt, ask residents of Port Harcourt on this forum.

Ireportlive:
Evidence.... Fact and proof

Anyone can claim anything online,

You can even tell us how Obi won my polling unit

But you need to provide evidence that an unpopular unknown guy like Obi won in my locality

Believe me the last elections was not necessarily about popularity, its more about anger and frustration. Voters particularly the youths were angry at the APC as a political party. The APC made lots of promises but failed woefully on all of them. They turned out worse than that the PDP that people voted out. From their useless border closure policy to the ban on rice without local production meeting up to demand, thereby making rice quadriple in price, to useless currency devaluation. The worst is the current naira redesign or recolour policy that has is very confusing to everyone including banks.

In another country, APC would not get 10% of the votes, but in Nigeria tribal, ethnic and religious bigotry reigns supreme.

BIZNess123:


Someone said obi got 25 percent in ogun , ondo borno...

If this election is conducted 30 times obi will never ever get 25 percent..in 25 states..

Even though I am not an obidient, but why do you think Obi cannot get 25% in Ogun. If Obi could win over 50% in Lagos, why would you think Obi would not be able to get 25% in Ogun that has many populated border towns with similar demographics as Lagos, ie Akute, Agbara, Songo, Ogijo. Besides many people live in Ogun but work in Lagos.

To me the elections as whole lacked credibility.

Ireportlive:
Your opinion isn't fact nor reality under the law

Wike might buy votes through his 200k agent which is morally wrong, but saying the votes were rigged is abit of exaggeration

That's the crisis in Nigeria today, we are unable to differentiate between right and wrong. How can you say vote buying is morally wrong, its not only morally wrong, its criminally wrong. In saner climes Wike would be facing jail time.

For your information the votes were rigged, that's what the BBC report alleged. If you compare the results that was downloaded on IReV and the one announced by the illusive Dickson Ariaga you will see huge discrepancies. There are video evidence of Wike threatening to kill INEC officials if they fail to rig for him after collecting money. No one is investigating the allegations.

Now can you honestly say with your church mind that Rivers State people would vote for Tinubu over Obi or even Atiku?

wonder233:
Nigerians don't care about credible elections. All they want is tribe and religion

Not only credible elections, Nigerians don't care about credible anything, be it exams, government or even business, they just want to cheat, lie and kill to achieve their goals. In Nigeria the ends justifies the means.

Ireportlive:


17% of the results where not uploaded
5% uploaded were blurry

If you generously dash Peter Obi all of Tinubu's Rivers vote 200k Tinubu still leads Atiku with over 1.6m votes

Dash Peter Obi all of Tinubu's 572k Lagos vote plus 200k Rivers vote and let's assume Tinubu had zero votes in Rivers and Lagos.. Tinubu still leads with over 1m votes

North plays a major role in who governs Nigeria


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Democracy us not about dashing votes, its about actual votes counted at the polling stations, else we should just dash the president to the highest bidder or the most influential elite.

What people with conscience are saying is that if the Rivers State elections could be so blatantly rigged by the state governor, then it means many other states with crooked governors were probably rigged also in favour of their preferred candidates including those won by Obi and Atiku. This means that the whole elections was not credible and whosoever was declared winner will suffer credibility issues - both within Nigeria and in the international community.

The last election by Prof Mahmood lacked credibility to be able to declare anyone a winner.

basilico:
Hunter and family had registered 20 companies.
These companies recieved cash from China, Ukraine Romania etc.
Once the money was recieved it was wired by the LLCs to at least 9 Biden family accounts.
Why would Biden grandchildren receive money that originatec from China.

This is yuuge mega corruption. Treason. The senders were from countries that Biden had under his docket. The money received was not invoiced, eg had an LLC invoiced China linked entity there would be a reason.. In this case it appears the only reason detialed in over 2000 pages of bank contras and transfers were the family surname

You still have not specified a specific crime under US statutes. Registering 20 companies by a family and receiving monies on the accounts of those companies is not a federal crime. My own family name have over 100 registered companies. My myself have registered over 6 companies over the course of my business career. I am thinking of registering a LLC company in the US in the nearest future to do some business in the US, the cost is about $200.
For an elite family like the bidens (both nuclear and extended) to have only 20 registered companies is rather on the low side. I am sure the Trump family including inlaws have over 100 registered companies or affiliates.

State the specific treason crime so we can gave an intelligent conversation. Receiving monies from abroad or home is not a crime.

IjeBos:
Generally agree with your position as well. But there is one caveat, I think people from both parties should be prosecuted/investigated equally for the same things. We are here talking about Hunter Biden and money he accepted with no discernable policy decisions made on it. While Kushner who worked for the Fed. government, which made very questionable policy decisions vis a vis Saudi Arabia during his tenure received 2 billion from the Same country after he left and a ton of much needed financing for his 666 Fifth Ave holding. Not including the money Trump continues to make from the Saudis for his LIV tournaments. etc. etc.

No discernable crime. That's the personal business of both hunter Biden and his business partners, unless of course you can prove that the business itself involved criminal activities, or you can prove that hunter Biden gave bribes or kick backs to his father for specific government projects or to influence specific government politicies. In that case both hunter and Joe biden would be liable for corruption.
Where hunter Biden might be liable is in his tax receipts, that is if he paid taxes for these earnings and if he is registered as a foreign agent.


Similar situation. The only difference is the moral aspects, that is Kushner being a government employee. There might be some conflict of interest issues, which is yet to be completely settled according to the US constitution. Donald Trump was still the principal owner of the Trump organisation and foreign leaders and business men lodged in Trump Hotels. Even civil service officers guarding the foreign dignitaries were lodged in Trump Hotels at government expenses. Conflict of interest situations like this needs to be settled constitutionally.

johnydon22:


If someone's father or just any person were to say

"I love you and you must love me too and do everything i say without questioning any of my dictates or i will torture you for the rest of your existence"

We would as a sane human society cry out and point out the fact
"That is not love but rather is sheer abuse"

But apparently and surprisingly this form of abuse is ok to many if its coming from a deity..

The concept of carrot and stick works everytime.

akwesenana:
A wife and a car.


Both are liablieties.

One can be converted to an asset though.

Gbam! Except you are getting close to 40 and time is running out, don't get married yet. The liability you are about to acquire no be small thing o! After marriage comes family life and associated liabilities. You need to upgrade your house, furniture and living expenses. When children starts coming in you go see fire. From pregnancy to birth to pampas and baby food is no joke nowadays. We neva begin talk school and other expenses yet.

As for new car, perish that thought, fix up your old one. You don't need to impress anyone else but yourself.

I suggest you invest the money in order to have a more secure future. Invest in yourself - get better education, qualifications or skills, invest in business you understand very well or invest in a asset - fixed assets, stocks or properties.

DOptical:
Why don't you tell us the amount of local government allocation and state allocation? Start from there first.

Armchair delivering BS from his coffers as if he's in government. As if you know better than Osinbajo who confirmed it and note, Osinbajo worked under Tinubu during the time.

I honestly don't understand what you mean by the rubbish you wrote up there.

Here is the report of the release of the Local government allocations by Yaradua.

DeepSight:
I think you need to experience Ghana to discuss this subject properly.
There are some things which have since ceased to be a problem in most African countries, which are still a daily hassle in Nigeria.
Nigeria is a peculiar place which seems determined to beat the life out of its long suffering people.

I believe the difference between Nigeria and Ghana that makes things seem to work is their value system is not as corrupted as Nigeria (yet that is, a we are moving our churches and prosperity nonsense over there). People still do their job without enducements. Police still works, civil servants still works, etc.

That's why I wrote about our value or should I say our religious system. We concentrate too much on the self, the ego instead of trying to build a just and prosperous society. We are taught that personal wealth and development is more important than societal wealth and development, and so we don't mind killing, cheating and destroying to achieve personal wealth and development. We can always "Japa" after destroying our homes and society.

That's why I support banning all Nigerian public officers from obtaining US, UK, Canada, European and Arab countries visa. Let them stay and suffer the destruction they caused.

DOptical:
The bullshit. I think you're projecting your village on Lagos.

Meanwhile, Lagos-Ibadan express is a federal road, not necessarily Lagos government's responsibility. Lagos government will first have to take orders from the federal government if they want to do anything. They can't do anything without federal government giving them the go ahead first. Moreover, flooding is not an unusual sight.. it happens everywhere, including in European countries. Of course measures need to be taken to control it.

Where all the money went?

First, let me point out that someone made such economy possible for Lagos to be generating a lot of money despite the fact that he met little, not helped by the seizure of Lagos' allocation by Obasanjo

So what the money was used for?

Investment into Lekki seaport.

Investment into Eko Atlantic

Investment into largest Africa rice mills.

Investment into metro rail.

Investment into Lekki free trade zone.

Good health care and services.

Regular payment of salaries and Pensions..

And so-on..

I hate people bringing up that "seizure of Lagos allocation by Obasanjo", that's not entirely truthful. We that witness that episode are still alive to tell the truth. Obasanjo "withheld" Lagos State Local government allocations for about 3 years due to disagreement of creation of Local government Council areas by Tinubu. When Yaradua came into power, he paid the whole withheld allocations to Fashola in one fell swoop. So I don't understand why you guys still use that withheld allocation as an excuse when anyone criticises Lagos State Government 15 year later.

What i don't like about you guys (and all sides are guilty) is that you reduce any criticism of the government or persons you support to emotional attacks. Leave all those personal, tribal or emotional attacks and attack the issues raises itself. All governments are criticized the world over, even in autocratic regimes. Its left for the government and supporters to respond intellectually to the issues raised.

DeepSight:
How familiar are you with Ghana?

Not familiar at all. The only African countries I have visited are Togo and Benin. But I read quite a lot about politics and happening in Ghana online. And I have a few customers from Ghana.

Reference:
There is something I just cannot get my head around concerning infrastructure in Nigeria.

For years and years I have always wondered how in heaven and earth can a bridge be flooded. How a bridge can turn to an aqueduct must be the 8th wonder of the world requiring the intervention of Discover Channel's
Massive Engineering Mistakes.

You drive through a flooded bridge then look down to the valley or river flowing below like you're on some thrill ride in a water park.....

Poor maintenance. Sand, pure water nylon and other debris has blocked the drainage designed to remove flood water from the bridge. The money budgeted for maintenance has been stolen.

Saga16:
London would not do Jack about it.

The beat they would do is give flood warning ⚠️.

You guys think they are superhuman.

Na wa o! You must either be a staff of the Lagos State Government or have an interest in the government.

London that respond to emergency situation including floods, fire, accidents or other disasters immediately is the one you are comparing to Lagos State Government that's only interested in revenue generation?

See here on how Westminster City Council respond to floods - https://www.westminster.gov.uk/residents/floods/july-2021-flooding/westminsters-responsibilities

Memberclub:
There are smaller cities in Nigeria you can enjoy yourself. Warri, akure etc

Thats one thing they fail to take into consideration when comparing Nigeria to other countries. Nigeria is one of the most urbanised countries in Africa if not the whole world. Can you count the number of urban cities or towns in Nigeria that requires urban infrastructures. With our meagre resources, even without the endemic corruption, the government can't cope.
We need to be far more productive than we currently are and power has to somehow be devolved from the federal, states to then to the local governments.

Saga16:
Next week, I would post photos of Lomdon being submerged by rain.

Maybe it is also a contradiction.

Poor example of "whataboutism". Yes flooding caused by flash flood, heavy rains or any other unexpected weather phenomena can occur anywhere in the world, but the difference is response and time it takes to get things back to normal. In London, emergency services would deal with such flooding within a matter of hours. In Lagos, the floods as a result of heavy downpour from last Thursday is yet to be dealt with. The Lagos State Government is yet to respond. They are more interested in revenue collection instead of offering services.

kokorokoman:
you still dont get it, despite the huge economy, what an average ghanaian cvil servant enjoys for free a nigerian millionaire cannot get it even with millions in nigeria.
you cannot see a fuel tanker on the road in abidjan, all the fuel tankers have a dedicated train line.
even benin republic have a dedicate lanes for motorcycles in most of their major roads.
travel and see, nigeria is a jungle

I don't believe the Ghanian economy is doing better than Nigeria, in the same vain Ghana is not better managed than nigeria. They are pactically in the same category. The difference is in the scale and size. Buy scale and size, i mean population, geographical size and the number of tribes and ethnic groupings.
From the statistics you presented, these three are the most critical factors;
Population: 32,833,000 213,401,000
Inhabitants/km²: 137.6 231.0
Birth rate: 28.04 ‰ 37.47 ‰

The population of nigeria is 8 times that of Ghana, the population density is about two times and the landmass is about three and a half times. To make matters worse, the birth rate is unsustainably high.

Now, one factor that affects Nigerian development and progress more than Ghana is religion. Nigeria's extreme religiosity which started in the late 70s/early 80s has had a destructive impact on the value system and morals of the society. And thus Nigerians are unable to distinguish rights from wrongs. Nigerian religiosity focuses on the self - self prosperity, blessings and interests, instead of pursuing societal progress and development. That's why Nigerian has the highest number of religious buildings in the world but the most criminal minded, wicked and unsympathetic people. There are crimes that only happens in Nigeria - like using women and children for money making rituals.

Those things you mentioned like poor infrastructure, poor security and the systemic collapse are all human problems and not necessarily government. Why, because Nigerians choose to be dishonest in the dealings with others. Those charged with responsibilities are only interested in stealing the money. If you like change the system and the personalities 10 times, the result would be the same.
In a country where Professor Nnenna Oti is celebrated for just doing her job, then you realise little is expected from an average Nigerian.

benalvino3:
Yes, because with trump, the media was exposed since hiding their bias is not enough. They are openly biased and it does not end with the media. Activists judges left and right.

How many media was exposed? The only media that was exposed as mired in lies and that has paid and will still pay heavily for its lies is Fox news. News media are allowed to be bias just like any other organization, but to engage in malicious lies that damages the reputation of others and put people's lives in danger is wicked.

benalvino3:
One day you will learn 🎓

You are adept at bringing up one obscure example that no one had heard before (that's after scouring right wing websites), then you scream "whatabout".
Why not provide more details of the case - the pleadings, the arguments and the judgement. Did it go all the way to the supreme court?

DeepSight:
Whatever else one can congratulate the US Judiciary for, it can never be for being apolitical.

I believe the US judiciary is largely apolitical at least at the lower levels. The only highly political arm is the supreme court. And that is because recent appointments into the supreme court US based mainly on political considerations.
Even at that Supreme court decisions had been largely apolitical until the Trump era. Trump specifically appointed supreme court judges he believed would help him win the 2020 elections and the Republicans were shopping for judges that would overturn Roe v wade and other republican ideologies.

Fox had a very bad case against Dominion, and would still have an equally bad case against Smartmatic.
Fox might not survive the fall outs of the malicious election lies of election fraud they peddled after the 2020 elections just to pander to the extreme right audience.

Watch the summary of the case in this video. It highlighted how screwed fox news were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUSOVELsd0


I am impressed by the US judiciary, I can say they are the most important preserver of US democracy. Apart from a few questionable rulings like Judge Aileen Cannon (which was quickly corrected), US were/are largely apolitical. I wish the same can be said for our own judiciary.

sonature1:
In addition to that, they don't have a governor, people from other parts of the country (mostly the northern parts) are appointed as minister of FCT and people from other parts of the country represent them in the HoA and senate, despite that they don't have a State House of Assembly. Truly, Nigeria is not a fair country.

But on the brighter light, being the capital of the country gives their people the opportunities other parts of the country don't have. Thanks to government establishments and other companies that have their headquarters and branches in the FCT.

Being Capital only favours a majority tribe. Its detrimental to minority tribes. People come from all over the country and displace the indigenous people from their ancestral lands. The indigenous people become disadvantaged politically, economically and even socially as a result of fierce competition from the major tribes. Even in Lagos, the aboriginal Lagosians have almost been driven out of their ancestral lands. The original Lagosians have been sidelines politically, economically and socially. There are very few original lagosians holding political offices in Lagos.

4ward4:
If the court interprets & 25% in FCT ,the same as a state and not mandatory of which their body movements says otherwise. Then the people of Abuja should rely on that judgement,sue the government to make Abuja a full flagged State. They are been cheated.

Gbam!. They should take Nigeria to court for denying them ant form of representation. Even 25% of their votes before someone can represent them as governor, senator, house of representatives member or even local government chairman is denied them.

AK481:
A yoruba woman took the seat from gbagi.

And igbo men are among those that took the legislative seats from gbagi thereby making laws on their behalf.