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UGBE634:
scholes0 I like the way you place words, but I would want you to have an understanding of some of these issues, what we find is that to obtain legitimacy from the People, the yoruboid set of Binis seem to want to "yorubanize" Bini history both local and "foreign", whatever we do we should understand that Bini is not really one sect and everyone has the right to tell their history regardless of who is more famous and prominent and we also have a right to accept what we should accept, we have seven main kings in Benin which are (1)Oba of Benin
(2.)Ogie-amien of Utantan
(3)Iyase of Udo
(4) Enogie of Ugo
5 Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
6 Enogie of Egor
7. Elawure of Usen
These stools


it is only perhaps in the mouth of yoruba affiliated kings and people that you will hear of Ogiso coming from Ife, which are the Oba of Benin and Olu-awure of Usen and other yoruba affiliated people, we had moonlight tales in Benin then growing up when Benin was not this urban, it should still be there in the villages, not for once did I hear of any Ogiso coming from Ife, I only read it for the first time on nairaland .

The Oba and the Usen people are not qualified to tell the history of the Ogisos, they don't have the locus-standi to tell it. The Ogisos and her history predates their existence in Benin. The history of the Ogisos is entirely a local business. a business of the aborigines

scholes0:
It looks to me like you are confused. It is clear from your unsure stance on whether to latch on to Edo to Idoma cultures.
They lived with Idoma for centuries but are very similar to Edo culture. They are even Edoid WHILE THEIR LANGUAGE IS more of Idoma (according to you) confusion pro max.

By the Way, there is no way to look Yoruboid. Igala are Yoruboid but have their own culture. Yoruboid is a linguistic classification, not a culture or outlook.
Same goes with all the other linguistic groupings. Infact, the Edo groups to the south of Ogori are very different from Benin culturally. Same way Degema in rivers state or Epie in Bayelsa (which are also Edoid) are also very distinct and different from Auchi or Okpella.

GENES11S:
We are not ebira.

Ogori Magongo is a border town, so we share border with ebira speaking towns.
So most of them and our people intermarry and settle as one.
Same can be said of some tribes from Edo state, they share borther with us and are very close to us.
Don't even get me started with Kwara state, which we were initially part of before the creation of Kogi state. Even now, there are still traces of Ogori and Magongo in Kwara state.

So we are not Ebira, we are Ogori/Magongo. We are a tribe of our own. Yes, we do have Yoruba ancestry which is evident from most of our surnames.

babasolution:
Am also from ogori,from my own understanding, the Ile ife origin claim is obscure,some Akoko-edo communities eg ibilo lay claim of origin to Ile ife too,they also bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba,even Ekpedo which lay claim to Benin speak Yoruba very widely,the Yoruba speaking and naming in my opinion is fairly recent,and was probably influenced by ogori interaction with Yoruba who ogori traded with,I think there was also a Yoruba invasion period,as ososo community as the history of Yoruba invasion,it's more complex than a simple origin from Ile ife,if you read history of ogori by prof akerejola,you will see the complex history of ogori,do you know ogori language is gotten mainly from idoma? It might surprise you but it's researched.I seriously doubt ogori are Yoruba,ogori people don't even look or behave like Yoruba,even though ogori loves to adapt Yoruba culture a lot.Ogori is for a long time tried to absorb a lot of Yoruba culture

UGBE634:
I don't think that Oral account was gotten from Udo, if it was it is not what I will take so seriously, and these are the reasons for it,
1. there is no sign of yorubaness in Udo, it is not that they migrated to the centre and say okay maybe they were submerged, for example that of Usen is so easy to believe, one can understand that they migrated down and were not submerged totally since they are at the edge,they still manage to retain their dialect alongside incorporating the language of the natives they met on ground. what about Utesse, they seem to speak a strange dialect that seem to be a mixture of yoruba and Edo. so when they talk about their yoruba antecedent, it is easier to believe, but on the other hand, Udo speak pure Bini, and is the house for the mightiest shrine in Idu or Edo land which is the Eriwmin-Idu.

today it is hard not to go online and see an Edo man from other tribal descent maybe Esan or Urhobo talking about Igodomigodo and Idu and featuring Udo, and as they feature Udo, they will be telling you that the yoruba people came around, that is why their group migrated. There is nothing you will tell me scholes0, Udo is the town with the largest tales of migration, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo, Ijaw,they can't all be lying,they couldn't have migrated from there and seem to have very related dialects with Bini and other regions. Udo seem to be the very core of what the very Edo race stand for, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako, Benin etc. the earlier history seem to be influenced by the Oba of Benin and it is just recently after the fall out with the Oba's line that is when the Iyase begun telling his history his own way. If she did migrated from Ife, how did she submerge totally to now become the core of the Edo race, when she is at the periphery, we know Udo to be very ancient and our core. Udo is a strong aboriginal community that is in the western flank. alongside with oral traditions, other facts should help in substantiating these things, it is on these basis that I find this not to be true

If you are talking about the importance of towns in the Edo race, Udo is first, it is the primal town of all Edo people, Udo's influence extend properly beyond Bini even into other Edo tribes, when you see other Edo tribes talk about migrating from Benin , they are not talking about Benin city, they are talking about Udo,

The second would be Benin, then Urhonigbe. Udo is the uniting chord of all Edo people, it is Like the Ife of the yoruba people, there is no way she would have migrated from Ife and not distribute her yoruboid trait, there is no way Udo is a Migrants town from Ife and we are not yorubas, there is no way, because the migrant population from Udo is far larger than any other Benin community.

There are variations but Udo is at the core of what Edo is, the oldest families in Benin is from Udo

Lastly Edo is not a corruption of Udo nor was it gotten from it, vive-versa, what we have is that the name Edo was that of a servant who helped the Oba in ascending the throne and in turn the Oba named the Bini city and country they are distinct and light years apart, they did not in anyway affected each others name.

It is not believable, Udo is at the periphery, she is not yoruba speaking, she does not even speak it as one of her dialect, she does not even speak a mix, she speak super pure Bini that a man from The Eastern flank of Urhonigbe and Oza would not have any trouble comprehending. My brother Oudobo does not add up. My brother there is no community that is more Edo than Udo, if at all Udo migrated, then every other Bini communities migrated.

Neccesity is laid on me to defend what is ours, and that I would do passionately, Udo is not a Migrants town at all let alone being one from the south west. Udo is our core, I am an eastern Bini man but I tell you this with all confidence, Udo is our core and our rallying point not just for the Binis but for the entire Edo race. Intuitively and instinctively you will just know it is not true

FreeStuffsNG:
Era of criminal defamations, cyberbullying and use of tribal/ religious bigotry for cyber terrorism is gone.

This is no longer the era of PMB where cyberbullies and criminal defamers go unchecked and DSS allow you break the law and carry out cyber terrorism then move on. The era is gone!

Now when you criminally defame innocent people , you will have your day in court. Shikena.
He who alleges must prove and whoever his parents denied of upbringing will be given appropriate correction by the justice system like those dubious lawyers being fined upandan by the Judges for filing frivolous cases in criminal attempt to subvert our democracy.
That gap of proper home training missing in most of you will be filled by the current justice system.

fergie001:
Live Video:
https://fb.watch/l2-cDs4ulD/?mibextid=YCRy0i


Recall, Hilda Baci's unofficial record is 100 hrs 40 min.

jaxxy:
taking photos with different important people or execs with no definite talks and concrete discussions and sharing it with Nigerians is propaganda and image laundering at best.

I will advise this temporary government to get to work.

naptu2:
Daddy D.O🇳🇬 @DOlusegun

https://twitter.com/DOlusegun/status/1666812391097782273

aswani:
Keep up the good work XAUBulls but I believe a Western Region and Lagos border was at the Jibowu end of Ikorodu Road.

Creeper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zoPk0dzSmc

Great people, great history/civilisation and great culture.

Vixlot:
President Bola Ahmed Tinubu holds first meeting with all the governors of the Nigeria Governors Forum at the state house , Presidential villa abuja

Creeper:
This is a great post. There was a thread about the people who founded different parts of Lagos on here a few days ago and if you understand the etymology of Yoruba names - you can pretty much tell the subgroups of Yoruba a lot of them belong to.

I think Oyo seems to always get neglected when it comes to indigenous Lagosians despite Oyo people being one of the original inhabitants of what’s known as Lagos today. With Badagry for example: Oyo and Aworis have a better claim to it than the Eguns (Ogus) who’re settlers that arrived there after leaving Whydah (I think or is it Quidah?) - due to the King Ghezo. I don’t know if you have seen Viola Davis and John Boyega’s “The Warrior King” (the movie isn’t 100% historically accurate tho) but it did show when the people of Quidah were attacked by King Ghezo. I believe that’s when a lot of them migrated to what’s know today’s as Badagry. Ikoyi is another one: Onikoyi anywhere in Yorubaland is Oyo, so that’s pretty straightforward. Also, with Eyo festival - the Dosunmu family inherited Eyo from Ijebu (Iperu-Remo) via marriage thus making them the custodian of Eyo in Lagos as Adimu orisha but the 2nd most powerful Eyo (I can’t remember its name) is Oyo (from Iseyin). Etc.

Let me go on a tangent a bit with the excerpt about Ijebuland sharing borders with Osun. I didn’t really know that and thanks for the heads up. It makes the claim that Ijebus stationed tens of thousands of Ijebu warriors in Ife to protect Ife during the Yoruba wars much more plausible now. I always thought Ijebus just shared borders Oyo state since Ijebus are part of the integral part of the Yoruba settlers in Ibadan - after the Egbas vacated the city and migrated to their current abode in Abeokuta. I was going to delve more into Ife and the pre-Oduduwa migration of Yoruba groups like Aworis and Eastern Yoruba subgroups from Ife and Ife empire but I’ll leave that for another day.

JohnnA1:
Thank you greatly for this piece of our history as YORUBAS. If chanced, an ongoing thread for this will be appreciated for we Young guns.

Christistruth03:
at least 8 Yoruba Clans have Ancient Ancestral Territories in Lagos State
Awori with the most population,Ijebu with the most land,Ilaje,Egba,Egbado,Oyo,Owu,Ketu,Ijesha,Igbomina
Everyone of them arrived before Gbadebo Rhodes Enslaved returnee Ancestors
You cannot drive them


Imagine Gbadebo Rhodes telling an Ijebu man to shut up over Lagos

Who exactly does he think Kindly received and rehabilitated his enslaved returnee Saro Ancestors when they turned up on the Shores of Lagos with no friends or family to turn to?
Awori,Egba,Ijebu

What some people have refused to learn about their Ancestors can kill them completely

Nsogbu001:
Three months after arriving in the UK, Nigerian student arrested for allegedly attempting to date children

A Nigerian man identified as Cyril Kenneth has been arrested by the police after being accused of dating minors in Belfast, UK.

According to a video shared by warriors of children, Kenneth who arrived in February for his masters degree, was arrested after multiple children between the ages of 14 and 15 reported him with evidence of him grooming and sexually harassing them.

In the text messages he had with some of the victims, Kenneth sent his unsolicited indecent pictures, asked some of them for their house addresses, invited one of them to his house for sex, amongst other disturbing messages.

The suspect, however, confessed to the crime and blamed it on temptation from the devil. He sai ;Dd he contacted the kids because he needed friends as he was new to the country. He was subsequently handed over to the police for further investigation and possible prosecution(instablog)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLInCKe4ALQ

Gosh! LMAO...

Tbh... This naive boy said way too much and implicated himself further with needless talk.

Omoawoke:
Before you travel out of the country, please note that the way you chase women in Nigeria does not work out there. You may see a matured looking girl and she can be 17, 16.
And even if she is above 18, you don't just start rushing to text them and chat them like Nigerian girls. You will smell prison!

Examples of nonsense is making sexual remarks about a colleague or in public, for instance, you see a babe and say "hey you looking takeaway" na sexual assault you dey play with

Or saying, oh look at you, your boyfriend is enjoying all these your front and back...walahi, you will definitely become cell presido

Or calling a girl over and over again, na stalking be that.

Better give yourself brain

ednut1:
Are you guys igbo And why were places name Umu changed to Rumu after the civil war. Rumukoro, Rumuola etc😁

Abagworo:
Thrash. Protection should be against the dominant Yorubas fom other Southwest not Southeast States and promotion of indigenous Lagos dialects. Lagos should be for the real natives in political offices not Osun or Ogun people.

EcoBrick:
https://dailytrust.com/no-mans-land-lagos-to-make-laws-to-protect-indigenes/

damilola4162:
Source: https://newspremises.com.ng/emotions-as-arsenal-superstar-bukayo-saka-visits-grandparents-in-kwara-state-nigeria/

absoluteSuccess:
Awori is a dialect of Yoruba, and a Yoruba speaker can easily understand Awori.

Egun on the other hand is a language on its own, seperate from Yoruba. A Yoruba speaker can never understand Egun, vice versa.

The similarity is in the area of culture, history and worldview to some extent. The Egun has their variant dialects, just like Yoruba.

Aja, Ajara, Setor, Gbekon, Alada, Tori are some forms of Egun dialects. Meanwhile, people of Whydah and cotonou speaks Yoruba and Alada.

Others only bear Yoruba names, worships their version of 'Yoruba gods' such as Sango, Dudua, Ifa, Roko and patronises 'Bokonor' (obo kor no: charm-sand-peeps).

Juju in Egun language actually means 'black colour'. Vior also means black. Votun means venerated idol; 'voodoo' or 'juju' means 'obo' 'Ohbow'.

absoluteSuccess:
The Don,

It is Yoruba phrase meaning 'when there is no elder', from the proverb

'agba osi ilu baje, baale ile ku ile dahoro.' There was no elder, the city is spoilt. The father of the house died, the house became desolate.

It used to be the fad amongst the Egun to bear Yoruba proverbs as names, and Agbaosi is one of such names.

My grandma own is Geleodun, from 'Geleodun bi kamoo we, kamoowe o dabi koyeni': headgear is not so pleasant if you can't tie it right, to tie it right is not as pleasant as when it's a perfect-fit.

The Egun uses Yoruba language to spice their language (which is as beautiful as any language) and to break monotony.

Atimes, you wont recognise a word of Yoruba that has become Egun, vice versa. Example, fenyin-en means 'cassava', but in Yoruba, it means 'open your teeth'.

absoluteSuccess:
Egun people has some of the nicest sounding vocabularies and thought invoking names. Music wise, Egun songs and dirges are of the highest quality African spiritual.

I have listen to such in rendition, and to the kinestethics of the 'hunsie's' dancesteps, the dance of mortals initiated to the deities of our ancestor's Votun.

Most Egun bear names with deep meaning, can't collate all but some.

Seveo: Creator is passionate with word.

Sejro: Creator's desire.

Sewanu: Creator be thanked.

Sesinu: Creator's own thing.

Vyhutu: For the sake of a child.

Johnde: One good thing.

Hosu: Several tidings.

Mausi: God's belonging.

Sonayon: Tomorrow will be well.

Totai: Father at market.

Dethin: Prayer is real.

Senami: God's gift to me.

Mehgonu: Individual personal issue.

Mendo: Whom do I have?

Who do I have to add some more to the list?

StoriesUpdate:
Tingo Foods Targets 12,000 Direct Jobs With Its Multi Billion Naira Food Processing Facility



https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2023/01/03/our-food-processing-facility-targeted-at-saving-huge-forex-from-import-tingo-foods/

Seun:
Nigerian businessman Dozy Mmobuosi, founder of American-based Tingo Group Inc, which is listed on NASDAQ as TIO, is a scammer. This was revealed by Hindenburg Research, an American forensic finance firm, which shorted the Tingo Group Inc's shares after an extensive investigation which included visits to the company's offices and facilities in Nigeria. Read their report here.

Key Revelations:

AnonPoet:
https://theguildng.com/over-2000-nigerians-receive-startup-funds-from-consummate-traders-boss/

lhordspy:
Have you forgotten she was almost dragged to court in 2019 for 38m tax debt. Everyone criticised her then. Even you guys supporting her now because she aligned with your political choice. The lady is a serial defaulter. Stop defending here.

This is the link to the thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/5414190/iyabo-ojo-slammed-tax-n38

lhordspy:
Lagos govt. gives Iyabo Ojo 7 days to pay N18million or go to jail.


https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2023/06/05/lagos-govt-gives-iyabo-ojo-7-days-to-pay-n18million-or-go-to-jail/?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

SHE REACTS

https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/celebrities/iyabo-ojo-calls-out-sanwo-olu-lagos-state-over-naira18-million-tax-request/wjqwj2s?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

She should pay up what is fair and due... But then, is the Governor the person Iyabo should be talking to here? Payment of taxes are mandatory in many Western countries and you will be prosecuted if you default.

Only 500,000 citizens/residents of Lagos State were paying taxes as revealed by former Governor Akinwumi Ambode. Meanwhile, over 20 million live in that small land mass called Lagos State with the attendant pressures on facilities. Who does that?