₦airaland Forum

obstead200:
ASUU is very corrupt. The reason they always succeed in bamboozling the FG and getting away with it is because the FG negotiators and decision makers is made up of a bunch of daft, incompetent and self-serving bastards who do not possess the intellect nor the wits to match the corrupt cunning of ASUU members. Put me and my likes in that team, give us a year with full autonomy to do and act as we please and we will bring ASUU to its knees

If only you can channel this your zealous energy in fighting your politicians that corruptly enriched themselves, are still enriching themselves and wii continue enriching themselves in billions of dollars of Nigerian money, Nigeria will be better. How much is budgeted for the whole education sector in the first place? And what project do you think lecturers undertake that they embezzle money? Or how much do you think they get from students compare to your senator that even refused to let you know how much he collects? Moreso what is the useless government doing about the alleged corrupt lecturers, considering that government owns EFCC, ICPC, NUC etc?

sujexy:
I didn't Interject Ignorantly.
I have been aware of what has been Happening between FG and ASUU since 2009.
But in all these, the students suffer and keeps suffering. How do you juxtapose the clean intentions of ASUU and the careless action of Government?

A member of ASUU is the VP now they can reach out to him for quality negotiation, there are still ways of dealing with this without making the poor students the Boxing Platform.

My point is ASUU is not to take blame. Do you think they have not done all these? Do you know the level of consultation ASUU put on before going on strike? The other day, ASUU president was explaining the pains they go through. From traditional rulers to different levels of politicians to government agencies, all for mediation and nothing works. The only time FG tend to behave as if something is happening is when they strike.
With the position of Prof Yemi now, he can no longer be regarded as a member of ASUU, on the contrary he is now a staunch member of the government and politicians. His interest and loyalty is with the government and not the other way round. It is quite unfortunate that our government is so insensitive and understand only strike as a spoken language. It is very unfair that students suffer most in all of these.

sujexy:
I graduated long ago from a private University.


Did that solve the problem you are creating in elongating student's stay in School?

Then you don't have the requisite knowledge to contribute effectively on the subject matter. Little wonder, you interjected ignorantly the way you did.
For your information I graduated in a public University and I am not a lecturer. However lecturers are not to be blamed in any way for students staying at home, the government should be held solely responsible. Tell me, you sit on a round table, negotiate, agree and sign a plan of action, then the government will totally renege for no reason, why will there not be unrest. Then, the situation in the universities keeps becoming dire by the day. The public universities are fast becoming like the already killed public primary schools and secondary schools. Government need to live up to its responsibilities and stop all these grandstanding.

sujexy:
A very careless statement that Endsars protesters kept making during their protest....
You are fighting for your welfare legit (We all know that the whole revitalization song is a smokescreen, the real issue has always been IPPIS) and you want everyone to bear with you, when you won't be ready to bear with them in their own wahala. Keeping them at home when all odds are stacked against the students is insensitivity. You guys can always get your salaries and allowances back, but will students get the time wasted back?

I will support the Government if they choose to open the schools using force after this last meeting! Enough of Nonsense!!!!

unfortunately for you, government knows it cannot do a thing. This is the major problem, the Nigerian student. Instead of you to stand up and support ASUU in demanding for a better learning environment as it is obtainable in your favorite saner climes quote, you prefer overcrowded classrooms, non equipped laboratories and non existent general infrastructures. These are all as a result of poor funding of education sector while the same people you are supporting are stealing billions meant for the good of you. Is UTAS going to increase lecturers salaries? Will ASUU collect the revitalisation fund so far released to the universities? The answer is no. All of you prefer to graduate with nothing in your brains, a science student not knowing what a microscope is or cannot not differentiate a lab equipment from lab apparatus. Then, there will be cries of no jobs while your counterpart from covenant etc are rejecting jobs.

Ceenelly:
Now we know better, it was all about the money and not the general welfare of our universities. You want to continue receiving salaries from different higher institution at same time, a country that is battling unemployment will have a single lecturer employed in more than two to three universities at same time

Don't be biased in your thinking. Just last week, Ngige stated the monies the FG agreed to release for universities funding (not ASUU salary). The contention on salaries is about payment platform which is not suitable to them. Others who joined are already regretting as you read up there. So, stop blaming ASUU unnecessary

9jatriot:
Every statement ASUU makes has always been in how bad IPPIS is so do not blame us when IPPIS is all we hear. Unionism as practiced in this regards is done wrongly. If you do not like your work and call it slavery, you resign.
Try and work for an Indian company then you will understand the real meaning of slavery, not this one you can afford not to go to work and fellow workers will cover for you.
The worst of all of these are state Universities ASUU joining a stupid strike that does not even concern them.

Please read the extract from ASUU president interview with punch just last week below and maybe you will have more understanding of what I said.
I do not understand your definition of wrong practice of unionism. Of course union protect their interest by the way. Government has to be responsible and stop misbehaving. Look at the state of public universities in every aspect, it is terrible and is purely governments irresponsibility.

What is the update on the seven-month strike embarked on by university teachers?
Nothing has changed significantly. We have presented our issues. We started with five, and we now have six issues. These are revitalization of universities; renegotiation of 2009 agreement; visitation panels to universities; proliferation of universities, particularly by state governments and of course Earned Academic Allowances (EAA) of members.

The starting point is to say that those were outstanding issues from the memorandum of agreement signed with the government on February 7, 2019, which the government has not done anything significant to address. But since then, Integrated Payroll and Personnel Information System (IPPIS) has been elevated almost over and above these other issues earlier highlighted. Recall that it was as a result of that we engaged the government on developing an alternative to IPPIS; which we have since developed to an advanced stage. We have presented it to the minister of education and members of his team, the Senate President, and to a larger audience in the office of the Accountant-General of the Federation, where all major stakeholders were represented – Ministries of Labour and Unemployment; Education, Office of the Accountant-General itself, Finance and, of course, experts from the Nigeria Information Technology Development Agency (NITDA), the body that regulates information technology development in the country.

We have done all those presentations and the general impression was that our alternative, called University Transparency and Accountability Solution (UTAS), is superior to IPPIS. However, because of the need to fulfill the requirement of integrity test, we were expected to follow up on that.

We believed that with all that we have done, the government has no reason to withhold salaries of our members, which in some cases, are five months now, and in some other cases, as many as eight or nine months, including their EAA, salaries and check-off dues of our union. As long as they continue to withhold the salaries of our members, they are not paving way for smooth resolution of the crisis. We are at that point where we need to resolve the issue of mode of payment for what the government owes our members. We feel that some agents of the government could be doing this to escalate the crisis, even though the government has made promises about the five issues we raised, we are yet to see them activated.

9jatriot:
1: If I work in GTB and I am no longer interested in their terms and condition, I will move to another bank or sulk it up. Same with Total, NNPC, Shell and co. Going on strike over payment platform when you know you must get paid is fraud if you ask me. I can understand strike for non payment of salary but more than 7 months strike over a payment platform is an overkill if you ask me.
2: I will have a look at the law you posted. later, thanks for it. My experience has shown me that laws can be interpreted by both parties to suit their needs. FG can claim that university council are only acting as caretaker or representatives. In any case, you guys need to know that if you keep pushing this law to the face of FG, they will just send an amendment to NASS and sign a new law into place in no time. E non hard to do if u ask me. Striking over a payment platform not that they are owing you is in my opinion ward below decency.

1. The greatest mistake some of you are making is pinning the current strike on IPPIS. ASUU has repeatedly explained the five points contained in an agreement signed with FG I'm 2013. The violation of the agreement initiated the current strike. IPPIS which became a sixth issue came up after the strike on the five points began.
And employees are never slaves to their employers and should not just answer yes to any thing the employer says. Under labour laws, unionism is a right and strike is one of the tools used in settling labour disputes.
I feel our government is grossly insincere in almost everything including their issues with ASUU. Agreements will be signed amicably and government will simply renege without reasons and without responding to series of enquiry by ASUU. Of course, ASUU will resort to strike which is the only language any Nigerian government listens to. It is sad that many youths are caught up in this irresponsible circle orchestrated by the successive insensitive governments

Eriokanmi:
Haaaa stop lying . I'm .still in Lagos. I'd take my time to snap some pictures today.They've not been fixed as at weekend. Brb

Please don't call me a liar. I mentioned my route which I even drove through this morning. If you are snapping, go to Fatai Atere way, linking Agege motor road, there is a functional light, come to ikeja underbridge near LASUTH, all the lights are functional, and then to Oba-Akran at Adeniyi Jones, that one even stopped me this morning. Don't say all the lights are vandalized hence the chaotic traffic last week. Maybe the ones in your area were, but not everywhere is like that.

Eriokanmi:
which road signal you wan make dem obey when all the traffic lights have been vandalised by the irate youths? In Lagos, no single traffic light was spared. In such a situation, how do you expect motorists to be orderly? Just asking

I am in Lagos but no single traffic light was vandalized on my route. From Fatai Atere to CAPPA junction, Ikeja under bridge and Oba-Akran-Adaniyi Jones, all the lights are working fine. Of course there is heavy gridlock since the protests due to irresponsible driving as a result of absence of law enforcement agents

Shebi the IDH is not a military facility? Let the panel move there and examine the bodies without resistance instead of this back and forth.
Personally I don't believe the sahara reporters news. Firstly the pictures of bodies moved proves nothing. Secondly, the Nigerian army I know will not take bodies of those they extrajudicially killed in such circumstances to a public mogue if they want to cover up. Those bodies would have been buried since somewhere secret. Sahara reporters simply failed to convince with this piece of news on the subject matter

[quote author=Collinsemegreat post=95491677][/quote]That is their work, to tutor and lecture students. What else do you want them to do? If a lecturer owns as much as a retail store, he is castigated again for neglecting his poorly paid job. If you assume all of them with PhD, msc etc should leave their jobs for something else, who will them teach if everyone attains knowledge and leaves? Of course the best option is to make the system workable, convenient for both students and teachers. The key to this is in government's hand.

somehow:
This is a pure lie
Has the primary schools turn to rubbish now even though they don't even generate funds like the universities do?

ASUU fights for their pockets alone and this is glaring.

Why has Unilorin not turned to a primary school ever since they opted out of ASUU? Answer this first.

May you are the one lieing. You don't even know how deplorable the public primary schools are. Who send their kids to them in this age apart from the poorest in the society. The average well to do parents sent their kids to private nursery and primary schools.
The same Uni Ilorin is on strike for issues bordering on poor funding. ASUU members welfare is part of the poor funding issues. How much does a professor take home after more than 30 years in service? Is it up to a million? So even if they fight for their welfare, it is no crime. As you like comparing Nigeria with SA, Ghana, Egypt, Tunisia, etc compare the salaries of their lecturers, education funding before you come back.
By the way, uni ilorin is not the best in Nigeria compared to other federal universities, and the fact that it is not a primary school does not mean it is competing favourably with the best universities even in Africa.

somehow:
There are universities not with ASUU, yet better than most of the universities still with ASUU, so what are you saying again?

which government university is not with ASUU, as far as I know it was only uni ilorin and they are back with ASUU. Even at that, they were not and are currently not the best federal university in Nigeria. So, i don't understand your point.
Look, simply give me a proof that our universities are adequately funded compared to even contemporary countries in Africa. Regardless of whether ASUU is fighting for improved welfare they are right. Their salaries are very poor by the way. Poor facilities etc are all as a result of government neglect. So what exactly are you people defending government for? I don't get it

gaius01:
Arrrrrrrh

Double wahala!

I just can't comprehend the way people think, in Nigeria 78% our problem is us, I know government is also playing a role but seriously we, are our problem.

How can you goa commit another crime, imagine snatching a car when you run from prison. Some people e be like say Na do dey do them.

They never finish this one you don enter another one.

Yeye people.

The people who had the guts to even break prison for convicts to escape are even the worst

somehow:
So why continue the same method that is not working?

Does that not mean they are devoid of ideas?

They can't win any fight
Maybe because they are not truly doing it for the students

If not because of the strikes, the university system would have turned to that of primary schools now. The little monies released were done due to the strikes. Of course this is the only way for now, as long as people like you refuse to back ASUU and stop government irresponsibility. Go and look at governments sponsorship of education in the countries will like to use and spite Nigeria, it is tremendous. Even countries in Africa as the Prof mentioned are far ahead of us in public education management. Education is quite expensive and cannot be funded the way we are doing.

babtoundey:
Seriously, I am being sincere and that's why I don't want to blame the FG alone. ASUU has its own fault. The rots in Nigeria education is bred and nourished by the FG and at the same time ASUU. These professors are as selfish and corrupt as the politicians. That's why I said ASUU gets its courage and credibility from the failure of the Federal government. If the government is a kind that is alive to its responsibilities and priortizes education we all will be able to know what ASUU truly stands for and see through their veil of deception of deceits. ASUU fights for nothing but its own interest.
If ASUU really means well for Nigerian students and education, it's time they adopted better measures to drive home their never fulfilled request from the government other than this constant strike actions that further deteriorate the quality and standard of education in the country.

But what other measures? Our government doesn't understand anything apart from the strike. If not for the strikes, the little respect for the public universities would have totally gone. Even the corruption in all facets of Nigeria is driven by government. So the government is still the genesis of everything. Worse still, if the money needed to find our education system was made available and embezzled, one would know where to vent ones anger, but the money is not even there. Go and look at education budget and compare with the nations will like making reference to

Decimus:
Lol, so after the pandemic. FG should just forked out the money, because of the agreements that were made in 2009, 2013....
This is the wrong time to ask for such money, and ASUU is aware of that.

Let me tell you for a fact that if the FG should accept to pay ASUU via the old platform or UTAS where many ASUU members will be able to keep their multiple jobs in two or more Federal institutions. Then they will call off the strike.

Forget pandemic, was there pandemic from 2009, 2013? read the interview again. Even when the ASUUA asked government to present another structured payment plan, no body answered them.
Again ask NASU, SSANU that are currently on strike because of IPPIS if they taking multiple jobs as well. In that light your multiple job argument does not hold water at all.

somehow:
Tell me one fight ASUU fought for the students in Nigeria that we can now see the effect years ahead?

Because the government has consistently refused to honor agreements that would have transformed the life of a Nigerian student. But it is no fault of ASUU in fighting for the right thing. Nigerians need to wake up and support them in making the government responsible and not castigating them the way some of you are doing

babtoundey:
I'm naive but you're irredeemably gullible. Try and read beyond what ASUU (the profs ) tells you. See from the purview of what their incessant strike actions have attained for them in connection with what it has attained for Nigerian students and the education system.

point is put the blame on the door step of the government. There is nothing like look beyond here. Did you see anything like salary increment of ASUU members in all of the discussion? Rather you see earned allowances which is different from salary. How much does a prof take home monthly as salary by the way?
That the Nigerian student is suffering is no fault of ASUU but govt. Would you rather prefer lectures are delivered under mango trees as it is obtainable in primary schools now? No equipped labs, overcrowded lecture rooms, deplorable hostels or total lack of it. The school fees paid by Nigerian students is meagre and no funds from government. What do you want ASUU to do? Keep chinning out paper degrees that are irrelevant in labour market? Go for an interview with your CU counterpart and see who will be the preferred candidate. We have to be sincere with ourselves here

Decimus:
Ok, please weigh in on the matter. What do you think is the solution to this current strike.

Please note that the cause of this strike is payment platform only. ASUU just started mentioning revitalization funds and education budget later to add something to the mix.

Please I totally disagree with you that the cause of the strike is payment platform. Google the timeline of the current strike and you will see. Like the Prof said, the five points were the cause of the strike as govt did not honour the 2013 agreements. The IPPIS issue came up like two months after ASUU began their strike, making it a sixth point.
The solution is simple, government should honor its agreements with ASUU and stop grandstanding. Why are they insincere? You negotiate something on a roundtable, agree, but all of a sudden trash it.

21cents:
pls save us all these robin hood stories of ASUU.

the billions Jonathan's government gave them some few years ago, what have they done with it or what little changes so far have they brought to the schools with the monies?

na FG I blame sha. giving ASUU money without accountability and monitoring them on how they spent it. after receiving billions the first thing they do is go buy Benz and SUVs and now they'd be claiming they're fighting for the revitalizations of schools. I pray FG deals with you guys very well.

Please stop muddling things up here and be more smart in your argument. The university system is headed by the VC who is in charge of University administration and is not a member of ASUU as a body. Again you agree with me that the government should take blame, what is the work of ICPC, EFCC, NUC if you are insinuating corruption in the system? And by the way, the money released by government which you are exaggerating is like a pin in ocean compare with the problems the universities are facing. A 1.2 trillion agreement was signed and about 1.1trillion is outstanding after seven years and you are shamelessly supporting government

Decimus:
OK na. They should stay at home and be expecting alert.
They won't get a kobo until they register on IPPIS and call off the strike.
Lol, of the countless incessant strikes that has been embarked by ASUU in the last few decades.
The main benefits has been students staying longer than necessary in school and further deterioration of pubic schools.

So I that ASUU fault or the government who is supposed to be doing the right thing. Instead of holding the government responsible, we prefer doing shot cut. This is the reason why we may never prosper as a nation, while the government gets everything wrong, the priorities of the citizens who are supposed to be holding the government responsible are even worse

Decimus:
OK na. They should stay at home and be expecting alert.
They won't get a kobo until they register on IPPIS and call off the strike.

This is not the first time and may not be the last as long as our government continue to be useless. They are going to pay for the months, I assure you. Why can't they honor agreements they signed after long time? This is what many of you fail to see. Have you gone to the public schools and seen the deplorable state of facilities? The universities are poorly funded but everyone blame ASUU, why? Look at our primary and secondary schools now, they are in shambles and the same thing is happening to the universities

babtoundey:
Adopted Child of the Prof that couldn't think beyond what the Prof told him. What is glaring from all end is ASUU's selfishness. ASUU only gets strength and credibility from the uselessness, irresponsibility and negligence of the FG.

Why the strike on before salary issue came? Google and answer yes or no, then you will see how naive you are

somehow:
Until students rise against ASUU, they will continue playing with your future!

if the students are not useless, they should rise against the government and not ASUU, who are trying their best to improve public universities

Decimus:
Nobody will pay them while they are at home without working. Imagine ASUU creating a platform for the Government to pay them salaries for all the months they've spent at home doing nothing.

Oga don't give head ache to yourself. All the monies owed them will be paid to the last penny and there is nothing you can do. Do you think going on strike is illegal in labour disputes? Some of you will just be saying what you don't know

babtoundey:
Very useless and selfish set of human beings. They are now coming out clean and clear. Initially they were making us believe their actions is for the interest of the students University education. Now it's their salary being withheld. ASSU is as useless as the FG. Those old men have murdered education in Nigeria. This is their last attempt at burying it.

It's nothing t argue about. ASUU and the federal government out of selfishness and irresponsible destroyed Nigerian education system.

Did you even read the interview? For crying out loud, ASUU went on strike base on the five points agenda as stated in the opening question. The issue of IPPIS which resulted to withheld salaries came later in the ongoing strike. So what is your point exactly? This is what the prof is trying to say, many people cannot read a simple article and comprehend properly due to the poor state of our public schools

Coldie:
Seriously they need to sack these people.

FG during this time of back and forth Una for don start new recruitment by now we would have had new set of lecturers then sack all the ones who refused to join the ippis platform

Chai, see reasoning. Who does that and the sector survives? Please don't ever think this way.

cenaman:
Between ASUU and NLC which is more useless?

Your question is actually more useless than the two.

Jasonjack:
tell these stories to your kids at home. For your information, some politicians have started sharing it among their girlfriends and relatives. You are here giving us paid advert.

please stay on the question I answered and stop childish display. The question is, can't CACOVID distribute the palliative to all the states at a single simultaneous period? And my answer is what you quoted. Politicians can distribute to their girlfriends as you said as CACOVID sent the products to the warehouses they provided. But your interjection is completely off point in the context of my submission.

vanbonattel:
Is it so difficult to assemble all the covid19 palliative and send them uniformly to all states same day?

I as a small business can do that. The country is filled with incompetent handlers, and there's no president to enforce standards.

No, you cannot do that. The quantity involved is in millions and the logistics also will be a huge challenge, especially at the height of covid. The companies producing these may not even have the capacity to store the quantities, hence there was reasonable decision by CACOVID to rely on government to provide storage facilities. In summary, what you looking at as an easy task is not as easy as you think if you look beyond the surface

Sunnycliff:
How long did it take Chadian Army to tame them with visible results?

How long has the Nigerian military been killing them? Just that you chose to see what you want to see, but that's your opinion. However, fighting terrorism is not child's play as many Nigerians especially talk it to be. For me, I will always give kudos to the military for their efforts and not disparage them. At least BH senseless carnage is highly limited to a certain area, thanks to Nigerian military