Lushore1:


[s]It was the op that was attributing the total palm oil production in the country to niger delta. He later changed it to eastern region and eventually added midwest.

Go through the cited report again and you will see that the present southwest region is also part of southern provinces. Example the regeneration of cocoa farm in agege district and apapa saw mill (lagos), the oni forest reserve (ogun state) and many others...[/s].

Can you honestly claim that there was any significant palm oil production in the SW?

Why was cocoa then always refrenced as the main cash crop from the sw ?

I have never heard of palm oil being the main cash crop from the west so please stop spewing trash.

Igboid:


Nna, leave that matter for Matthias for now.

We have common foe, ie the North and their Yoruba Muslim brothers.

No need splitting hairs over irrelevant semantics for now. Whether Niger Delta or Eastern region, we are all saying same thing. If you put just Eastern region, you exclude the Western Igbos, if you put just Niger Delta, you exclude Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyi.

So, you see, it doesn't matter either of the terms we use, what matters is that we establish the fact that the Yorubas and the North had always been lacking, which is why they are still clinging unto Nigerian unity till today.

Udo.

Well if you say so.

jneutron4000:
Even in the report, the SW r
egion i.e. Lagos sea port was used to export good from every parts of the country to overseas and some of you will say it was crude oil money that was used to build Lagos sea port. Even for using Lagos port shows the SW region Have being useful since the time of Adam and Even. Now don't give me that flimsy excuse that is because Lagos was the Sit of power then why then no put sit of power for Imo then?

This is simply not true. Read the report. Good fom the East were shipped from the east ,Calabar,Port harcourt etc , there are previous reports before 1914 where this is very clear so no not tell ridiculous lies. How did palm oil get to Lago from Calabar? There was not even a Niger Bridge in 1914 yet one clown is posting funny pictures of antique trucks. Even from Warri in the Midwest goods were shipped from Forcados/Burutu . Rather than guessing spend time to educate yourselves
Southern Nigeria before 1906 referred to Eastern Nigeria region and some parts of the Midwest and a part of Western Cameroon

They were administered separately before 1906 under different Governors.

This is the report for 1900 let us not pretend that reports started in1914
http://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/3064634/3064634_1899_1900_southern_nigeria/3064634_1899_1900_southern_nigeria_opt.pdf

While Colony of Lagos refers to Lagos ,Western Nigeria and some parts of the Midwest

aribisala0:
[s]This is simply not true. Read the report. Good fom the East were shipped from the east ,Calabar,Port harcourt etc , there are previous reports before 1914 where this is very clear so no not tell ridiculous lies. How did palm oil get to Lago from Calabar? There was not even a Niger Bridge in 1914 yet one clown is posting funny pictures of antique trucks. Even from Warri in the Midwest goods were shipped from Forcados/Burutu . Rather than guessing spend time to educate yourselves
Southern Nigeria before 1906 referred to Eastern Nigeria region and some parts of the Midwest and a part of Western Cameroon

They were administered separately before 1906 under different Governors.

This is the report for 1900 let us not pretend that reports started in1914
http://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/3064634/3064634_1899_1900_southern_nigeria/3064634_1899_1900_southern_nigeria_opt.pdf

While Colony of Lagos refers to Lagos ,Western Nigeria and some parts of the Midwest[/s]

Trash!

Hagm0nd:
The south south is not the only region that produces palm oil

Look at your map again... Where else in the map do you see palm oil except the old eastern region?

SairikiDurri:


You guys are born liars.

Prove that west Nigeria produced more palm oil than present day SS/SE region.

You guys are shameless liars.

Not one single fact as presented by the OP has been recounted by your shameless liars rather all I see is pure foolishness in trying to claim that your waste land was richer in terms of palm exports.

You guys are truly the problem!

Bros why are u like this? Or are you not the "OP" again? no one claimed that southwest produced more palm oil products more than SS or SE. It was you "OP" that clearly stated in the first page that niger delta is feeding the rest of the country through palm oils, u later added eastern region and someone else added midwest. Even though there were no evidence to suggest that monies generated from this period were shared with any other region, most of these incomes were simply going into british government account.

timeman:
If only you had patience, maybe knowledge would have smiled at you, unfortunately, you were way ahead of yourself. if you had read with keen insights you would've realised that you gloated on mere trivial. Ask yourself why the market for palm oil declined from early 40s.
Kiss the truth!

Am just laughing, at the comments of those guys here.

They probably didn't know that Crude oil discovery was the beginning of Palm decline.


As the time SW was making Palm oil production has declined.

Wen great mind are the leader

Lushore1:


Bros why are u like this? Or are you not the "OP" again? no one claimed that southwest produced more palm oil products more than SS or SE. It was you "OP" that clearly stated in the first page that niger delta is feeding the rest of the country through palm oils, u later added eastern region and someone else added midwest. Even though there were no evidence to suggest that monies generated from this period were shared with any other region, most of these incomes were simply going into british government account.

I re-edited the title because I later found out that the SE was the largest producer of Palm oil.

Midwest is now part of Niger Delta!

Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Imo, Abia, Bayelsa and Calabar were part of Eastern Region and are today considered part of Niger Delta.

So what is your problem with me renaming it to reflect the true geo-political makeup of post civil war Nigeria?

And I see no reason why the changing of the title should be an issue since you yorubas hate the Niger Delta more than the SE.

OBAGADAFFI:


Am just laughing, at the comments of those guys here.

They probably didn't know that Crude oil discovery was the beginning of Palm decline.


As the time SW was making Palm oil production has declined.

Nonesense.

Palm oil cost crashed after WW2 and not in the early 1900's.

The report coincided with the period where Palm oil was booming.

So if in 1914, SW oil production was negligible is it in the recession years of palm in post ww2 that sw oil palm increased?

How can you guys be so shameless in your lies?

So 1914 statistics till when oil was discovered shows that SS/SE has been entirely feeding Nigeria as said by the OP judging from his comments. See here is the thing, can we have statistics of 1940 - 1965 to show which region contributes the highest GDP in Nigeria? Cocoa and groundnut were the mainstream of our economy as facts can be seen on Google search.

These people, una no dey tire? The 1914 and perhaps oil boom sales from your region of which derivatives were and still been paid to your corrupt leaders who ate all the money to themselves hereby building mansion in Lagos and abroad is not our doing.

SairikiDurri:


Can you honestly claim that there was any significant palm oil production in the SW?

Why was cocoa then always refrenced as the main cash crop from the sw ?

I have never heard of palm oil being the main cash crop from the west so please stop spewing trash.

Significantly palm oil production in southwest? YES!. Though maybe not in the same level of production as other region, but just because you dont know about this doesnt mean it didnt happen. Cocoa was and still referenced as the main cash crop in southwest region because you can still see the economics contribution of cocoa all over southwest...example how awolowo managed to provides and built many things through incomes from cocoa.....such as cocoa house, free education, radio station and many housing and industrial park.

APCHaram:
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/3064634/3064634_1914/3064634_1914_opt.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiGyOH69YLPAhUBJMAKHe0OAM8QFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNE8bx1PWlU-vVAQhrTxIllP50Cn-w

Saw this pdf "Annual Report 1914, Nigeria " (see link above) which showed gross revenue between the north and southern regions after one year of almagation.

Go to page 7 and see for yourself how Nigeria's greatest revenue earner at over €1million pounds ( at least 10 times higher than any commodity export even cocoa) is proof that Niger Delta and eastern Nigeria has been feeding Nigeria since almagation.

the value of pounds in 1913 compared to now is very different due to inflation, plus Nigeria didn't have a population of 180million citizens.
So yes, palm oil could feed the country with other commodities we exported. And to top it off, we were not even an import dependent country back then

So

£1,000,000 in 1913 = £103,000,000 in 2016

Which was more than enough for the population of that time.

wristbangle:
[s]So 1914 statistics till when oil was discovered shows that SS/SE has been entirely feeding Nigeria as said by the OP judging from his comments. See here is the thing, can we have statistics of 1940 - 1965 to show which region contributes the highest GDP in Nigeria? Cocoa and groundnut were the mainstream of our economy as facts can be seen on Google search.

These people, una no dey tire? The 1914 and perhaps oil boom sales from your region of which the derivatives was paid to your corrupt leaders who ate all the money to themselves hereby building mansion in Lagos and abroad is not our doing[/s].

so now it is the 1940-1965 era that Yorubas and Hausa were making it big?

Nigga shut dah fck up!

989900:
A shame we now import palm oil.

Its a big lie...We don't import palm oil...It is abundant in the South-East.

How would you explain the fact that on both occasions that Nigeria found herself in recessions was under one man called Buhari? He is the only Nigerian President dead or alive that has achieved this disgraceful feat.

http://www.elombah.com/index.php/opinion/10007-muhammadu-buhari-recession-it-s-1984-all-over-again

If you blame Jonathan or PDP for 2016 recession under Buhari, who would you blame for 1984 Recession under the same man Buhari? If you want Nigeria to witness a hatrick of recession then vote for Buhari in 2019 and watch your generation die of hunger.

Igboid:


Quit hiding your ignorance behind vague posts. If you have a point/ information relevant to the discussion, bring it out now or forever remain silent.

I am not disputing large amounts of palm oil production in the eastern region of the southern protectorate. but prior to 1951, there was no regional autonomy. the crown had exclusive ownership of every & all resources. basically,the report the OP put up was not meant for us rather an accountability report to the british HQ. Every soil exploited& resources produced was not intended towards any of the regions but instead the interests of the british including every block/ track laid. we had regional autonomy in 1951, when every man was for himself, had federalism in 1959 when we had the DISTRIBUTABLE POOL ACCOUNT at the time cocoa reigned supreme followed closely by groundnut& cotton. palm oil market had taken a sharp decline. Ask yourself why Zik was obsessed with SW,if SE was that bbouyant. I'd tell you the reason palm oil recorded huge sales in 1913/14....when we we revisit this or similar topic anytime soon.
Kiss the truth!

Busted ooo Busted!!! APCHaram nice one bro!!! I'm so copying your post brother.

APCHaram:
The famous Groundnuts generated a total of 154,000 pounds.

Cocoa the same.

The only commodity that neared palm oil from the Niger Delta was Tin mining in Jos which wasn't even up to half of that realised from palm oil.

Can you people now shutup on that silly lie that your cocoa and groundnuts were used to develop the oil industry!

****
How does the figures show that the SE and SS feed Nigeria?

The Tin/Columbite, Cotton, Groundnut, Hides and Skins in the table come from where? Syria?
Add the value of those commodities together and come back.

SairikiDurri:


[s]so now it is the 1940-1965 era that Yorubas and Hausa were making it big?

Nigga shut dah fck up![/s]

Dude, is this the best you can come up with to counter my statement? Your level of reasoning is too timid. Come up with something constructive and let's dialogue. Your comment depicts that of a 2yrs old kid.

wristbangle:


Dude, is this the best you can come up with to counter my statement? Your level of reasoning is too timid. Come up with something constructive and let's dialogue. Your comment depicts that of a 2yrs old kid.

This is why today yorubas do not believe in restructuring.

See your ancestors occupying Lagos because of Niger Delta oil

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1481378_374334_Biafra_11_jpgd343c8e7d023bbeaf7e85a2a2383fae8_jpg0fc812d3c1fca32fae7a33fb44de77d0

Your leaders know that they can't exit without Niger Delta oil.

until we learn to hold the right people responsible, there won't be any progression for us. See this guy now making noise bout Niger Delta feeding the whole nation. yu are making the wrong noise man. Of all the afore listed raw materials, how many do we still export? why not hold the government responsible fr this deterioation. the fight is not against yur fellow compatriots from other regions of the country. It is against the government past and present that is playing this tribal politics tune, knowing you'll dance to it. Please EMANCIPATE yourself and see beyond

SairikiDurri:


You guys are born liars.

Prove that west Nigeria produced more palm oil than present day SS/SE region.

You guys are shameless liars.

Not one single fact as presented by the OP has been recounted by your shameless liars rather all I see is pure foolishness in trying to claim that your waste land was richer in terms of palm exports.

You guys are truly the problem!

You may want to read up my recent.comment i sent to @igboid.
Kiss the truth!

APCHaram:
The famous Groundnuts generated a total of 154,000 pounds.

Cocoa the same.

The only commodity that neared palm oil from the Niger Delta was Tin mining in Jos which wasn't even up to half of that realised from palm oil.

Can you people now shutup on that silly lie that your cocoa and groundnuts were used to develop the oil industry!

What happened between 1914 and 1950(34+years) window? No real conclusion can be made regarding who contributed more. We need cumulative figure spread round decades. We all know palm oil trade peaked before other cash crops.

Sealeddeal:
Is Southwest Nigeria now claiming Palm oil instead of Cocoa as their Major export before independence?
So no more cocoa? So cocoa was useless?
Those people...
The Eastern Nigeria has always fed Nigeria with everything.

As in eh, this people can go at any length trying to discredit the eastern region especially the Igbos... But they will all fail because the once lost region is getting back again to recover and take over in a bigger dispensation...

APCHaram:
The famous Groundnuts generated a total of 154,000 pounds.

Cocoa the same.

The only commodity that neared palm oil from the Niger Delta was Tin mining in Jos which wasn't even up to half of that realised from palm oil.

Can you people now shutup on that silly lie that your cocoa and groundnuts were used to develop the oil industry!

What if you add Groundnut, Tin, cotton and Hide&skin? How much is that?

Igboid:


Nna, leave that matter for Matthias for now.

We have common foe, ie the North and their Yoruba Muslim brothers.

No need splitting hairs over irrelevant semantics for now. Whether Niger Delta or Eastern region, we are all saying same thing. If you put just Eastern region, you exclude the Western Igbos, if you put just Niger Delta, you exclude Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyi.

So, you see, it doesn't matter either of the terms we use, what matters is that we establish the fact that the Yorubas and the North had always been lacking, which is why they are still clinging unto Nigerian unity till today.

Udo.

The pained Pazienza, since you agreed you hate the Yorubas so much, how are they holding you from forming your own country. I dont understand the reason for all these insult and spit splashing, how are they your problems when you are the one trooping to there region. I am confused.

SairikiDurri:


I re-edited the title because I later found out that the SE was the largest producer of Palm oil.

Midwest is now part of Niger Delta!

Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Imo, Abia, Bayelsa and Calabar were part of Eastern Region and are today considered part of Niger Delta.

So what is your problem with me renaming it to reflect the true geo-political makeup of post civil war Nigeria?

And I see no reason why the changing of the title should be an issue since you yorubas hate the Niger Delta more than the SE.

You ruined this thread from the biginning bro, expecially when you started talking about how Niger delta was feeding everyone from palm oil. Theres still no evidence to suggest this infact most of the incomes generated during this period was going into the UK royal families account and probaby use in treating leprosy cases all over "Onisha"...lol.

"Nearly 90 per cent, of the cases of leprosy in the Southern Provinces occur on the River Niger in the neighbourhood of Onitsha"

North have notting west is waste jah blessing ss +se

APCHaram:


That is not the reason I made this thread.

I just wanted to highlight that over 100yrs ago the Niger Delta has been feeding you.

This your comment shows that you have interest in the topic, so how can we believe you?

@ op, APCharam or whatever your name is: kindly tell me the reason your brought up this thread?? Is it to prove that one region feeds the entire nation? If it is then I have a message for you;



If you are married and you the man gets a job that pays you 200million annually, do you come home to brag to your wife that you re earning so much and that YOUR family is poor without you? Same applies to the woman. So I don't understand all this rant about region. When nigerian won bronze in the just concluded olympics may be kelechi iheanacho should have said the money from the japanese mogul should come to him alone since he scored the goal.

The earlier every region recognises that we are alll irrespective of tribe married and remain a family called NIGERIA, the better for us.

We will remain one.

Who is this one again. Was palm oil gotten from just one region then... Isn't it what the "whole country" exported that was recorded. Someone needs to go find himself a job.