pickabeau1:


Dude you are reaching

The image you posted has nothing about making himself a host

Tosyn007:

"But I'll only be able to seal half the fox's power. Its just too great, its physically and conceptually impossible to completely seal it all"...Minato's words.

What your interpretation of that statement?

Tosyn007:


That's because you're thinking this is a competition.

Tosyn007:

Who told you it was intense chakra that enables you to resist Edo Tensei control? Hashirama was able to resist its control cos his cells were used to strenghten its restraining power. Why didn't he resist being controlled with his intense chakra when Orochimaru first used them to fight Sarutobi?

nani667:

The first time Orochimaru summoned Hashirama to fight Sarutobi, he immediately took away his inhibitions, turning him into a puppet, that's why he couldn't even resist if he wanted to.... But the second time Orochimaru summoned the Hokages with Sasuke, he didn't remove their inhibitions, that's why Hashirama could resist.... His Chakra is very powerful.... And that's why the Nidaime couldn't break free when he tried, cos Orochimaru was using Hashirama's Chakra to keep them in Control, and seeing as it was Hashirama's Chakra Orochimaru was using, hashirama was able to break free.....

If Orochimaru was using just his Chakra, the Nidaime would have broken free when he wanted to.....

So yes, a powerful and intense Chakra is needed in order to resist the Edo Tensei ✔

pickabeau1:

The 9 tails was in his wife's body n thus konoha's
He wanted to keep it in the village or else it will materialise in the wide world

The 9 tails could not be sealed in his son yet


He took half to also save d village

nani667:

Lol... You're truly funny, competition Ke ? Because of Naruto ?

I'm just surprised the way you choose to remain adamant in all your arguments even though all the facts obviously prove otherwise.....

It's all good tho, I guess the arguments is what keeps the thread alive....and interesting.. Maybe....

So it's all good

Mutaino7: because he was brought close to his full power remember tobirama's word to orochi saying he made d mistake of perfecting the jutsu.. But in da chunin arc d e.d wasnt perfect.

Mutaino7: just like hanzo the salamander resisted kabuto... Emotion is naruto verse also plays a big impact in how intense or strong a jutsu or chakra can be e.g sharingan awakening, ed.t resisting eg sasori, sai's bro and hanzo, gaara ultimate shield due to his mother protective emotion in her dieing state(watch gaara vs his father's fight 4 more xplanation)

Mutaino7: Mr pickabeau u wud b doing ursef a favor by stop arguing needlessly cos wat tosyn007 said is correct.. Go rewatch d anime.. Kushina offered to die with kurama but minato object saying its actually a fathers duty to protect his family.. He then said he is gonna make naruto a jin which kushina didnt wanna agree to until minato convinced her dat kurama pwrs may come as a trump card in defeating d mask man.. He sealed half insyd imsef being d only seal he cud use as a none jin cos he cudnt seal a whole kurama inside naruto.. As 4 d chakra cloak.. Just by revisting previous manga pages u will c dat he and yin kurama had bcom friends... Dis tin no hard at all, na una stubbornness to accept fact dhey tey diz discuss.. Apart 4rm bee it has bin shown dat both utakata (6tails) and goku (4tail) seem to be on a good slate with their beast..

Tosyn007:

All those are reasons not intentions...the major question here is what was his primary intention?

Mutaino7: Mr pickabeau u wud b doing ursef a favor by stop arguing needlessly cos wat tosyn007 said is correct.. Go rewatch d anime.. Kushina offered to die with kurama but minato object saying its actually a fathers duty to protect his family.. He then said he is gonna make naruto a jin which kushina didnt wanna agree to until minato convinced her dat kurama pwrs may come as a trump card in defeating d mask man.. He sealed half insyd imsef being d only seal he cud use as a none jin cos he cudnt seal a whole kurama insyd naruto.. Has 4 d chakra cloak.. Just by revisting previous manga pages u will c dat he and yin kurama had bcom friends... Dis tin no hard atall nah una stubborness to accept fact dhey tey diz discuss.. Apart 4rm bee it has bin show dat both utaka(6tails) and goku(4tail) seems to be on a gud slate with their beast..

pickabeau1:

Whatever you say...your opinion...

You are entitled to it...same goes to mutaino7

Tosyn007:

Then what did Orochimaru do to perfect this same jutsu this time around?

Tosyn007:

Here's what I think...The fact that Obito's eyes were shared by he and kakashi kinda reduced the overall potency of the eyes. Cos if we followed Madara's words that the real sharingan power can be attained when the 2 eyes are together could also mean that the usage level also increases which results in the eyes getting sealed faster.

Hope i made sense

Tosyn007:

Then I'll ask you what made them summoned at full strength this time around?

Tosyn007:

All I gave were reasons why I believed Hashirama broke the restraint, it was cos the jutsu was perfected using his cells. I gave you the zetsu possession as the fact behind it. Why you saying am adamant? Aint those facts up there?

pickabeau1:


Your explanation makes sense albeit partially

However does not explain why minato was able to use the kyuubi cloak

Remember using it takes synchronization with the bihuu as he can mess u up by stealing your chakra yet minato managed it within the death god...
Hmmm

WackyJ1:

The problem i have like i said before is that you guys keep expecting Kishi to spoon feed you
you want to see Minato, a hokage level ninja that knew, dated and married a Jinchuuriki who was also an uzumaki for many many years to go through the same struggle that you saw his 16 year old son go through. The same minato that invented a seal that was stronger than Bee's yet allowed chakra to mix with his son's and still programme his and his wife's chakra into it.

congrats keep waiting

WackyJ1:
tobirama answered this question na

He told Orochimaru that his flaw was refining the technique and hence this time they were summoned with close to their full powers



The Jutsu was not perfected using Harashima's cells, orchimaru merely needed the Zetsu's body for two reasons
1. To have a body after sacrificing himself to release the souls
2. To have the strength from the cells to restrict the people he had ressurected

rapmike:

Its also possible that obito had replaced his other eye after some time. He has a reservoir of sharingans by the way.

Tosyn007:

The ish is that you people think Orochimaru upgraded the edo tensei or degraded them as the case may be cos he chose to which I don't think is the case. I believe the ingredient he used to strengthen the restraint is the same ingredient responsible for them returning to their full strength. You'd remember Kabuto also did some tweaking on Madara, adding Hashi's DNA and youd notice that aside his rinnegan, he was much more stronger than the average Edo TEnsei

WackyJ1:


Orochimaru is not the inventor of the jutsu,

People refine techniques.. I didn't say upgrade. The jutsu that orochimaru used was not as strong as the one he used later, that was due to his abilities with the jutsu but because of time and all he had learnt whule observing Kabuto, he was able to ressurrect them to full power.

Why can't you say that because they were resurrect using Zetsu as sacrifices that they were able to come back with full powers? And the it would make sense for orochimaru to also have a Zetsu host to be able to hold them.

Nothing concern the Zetsu host in orochimaru to the refinement of the technique.


Kabuto is not the one that added Hashirama's DNA to madara. Personally I did not see anything that Kabuto added, it's just that Madara kept him quiet when he was making his claims.

WackyJ1:


Orochimaru is not the inventor of the jutsu,

People refine techniques.. I didn't say upgrade. The jutsu that orochimaru used was not as strong as the one he used later, that was due to his abilities with the jutsu but because of time and all he had learnt whule observing Kabuto, he was able to ressurrect them to full power.

Why can't you say that because they were resurrect using Zetsu as sacrifices that they were able to come back with full powers? And the it would make sense for orochimaru to also have a Zetsu host to be able to hold them.

Nothing concern the Zetsu host in orochimaru to the refinement of the technique.


Kabuto is not the one that added Hashirama's DNA to madara. Personally I did not see anything that Kabuto added, it's just that Madara kept him quiet when he was making his claims.

rapmike:

Its also possible that obito had replaced his other eye after some time. He has a reservoir of sharingans by the way.

SIRcumalot:
The loss of vision affect the pair and not just one eye.
@Tosyn007
the only loss here is the inability of both of them to perform Susanoo.
The simplest answer is the mostly likely to be correct.
Hashi cells,
If Tobi had both his sharigan and zetsu,he still won't feel the drawbacks of the MS..
Izanagi eye loss is permanent and hashi cell won't fix this remember Danzo had some hashi cells himself this couldn't counter the effect of Izanagi.

SIRcumalot:
The loss of vision affect the pair and not just one eye.
@Tosyn007
the only loss here is the inability of both of them to perform Susanoo.
The simplest answer is the mostly likely to be correct.
Hashi cells,
If Tobi had both his sharigan and zetsu,he still won't feel the drawbacks of the MS..
Izanagi eye loss is permanent and hashi cell won't fix this remember Danzo had some hashi cells himself this couldn't counter the effect of Izanagi.

rapmike:

Then tell me something, how sure are you that obito did not change his eyes? Because the kamui is his technique and may exert less chakra than amaterasu or Susano'o.

Besides I can also look at it from the fact that the eyes were not used together on the same person for a long time.