I-man:

Which ICJ ruling are you refering to?

Tornadoz:

@davidylanI told you before, the court only rule based on the evidence presented to it. Courts don't rule because of sentinments, surely you know this.

Tornadoz:

They did better than that by taking their findings to the right authority-the UN.

davidylan:

when a man is clueless and confused, he will say anything.

when a man is clueless and confused, he will say anything.

that is nonsense! In other areas the UN has asked for a referendum to let the people determine what country they would prefer to be. Besides, since when did British and German colonial agreements become binding on a sovereign country? So if tomorrow we discover an old 1864 agreement where Abuja was signed off to Congo by the British we should pack our bags and leave Abuja?

don't make yourself anymore of a laughing stock. So if i find an artefact i should run straight to report to the UN?

Tornadoz:

@davidylanHmm I thought you knew these facts. Am off to bed then.

Tornadoz:

@I-man
So you don't know the Palestian won at the ICJ?Am baffled by the  ignorance now being exhibited by you and david. I sure hope this has something to do with the time of day. One of my traits is to always  check facts before getting in a  debate.

i am delieghted with your presentation here and for the first time in this forum i see a point well delievered to be argued upon.
my first question here is where is Iran in the sponsorship of palestine?
i still want to know from you if you believe that hamas is being sponsored solely by Iran and Syria?
so if iran can sponsor hamas, why not palestine?

isreal was not in your post as a sponsor, do u believe that except a coka kola company, there is no other company in palestine and even at that palestines do not consume more of their coke as they prefer the isreali product.

do you know that hamas refusing to recognise isreal as a nation made isreal and the western world to sieze all the funds for months which led to the administration being paralised for months with non payments to workers and unavailability of basic armeinities in the country not until of late when isreal release parts of the funds.

i hope you are aware that the worst thing that can happen to palestine is an isreal decission to close their borders for even 24 hours.

be rest assured that no matter what we say here, anything less than the eradication of isreal is not in the agenda of iran and hamas.

they are demanding for a total withdrawal and there is a clear claim here that there is no country like isreal existing here in the middle east.

be rest assured that no matter what we say here, anything less than the eradication of isreal is not in the agenda of iran and hamas.

we should be talking about solutions and not blames, let us know here what you think will offer solution be be informed or try and understand the demands of hamas and iran then think out something.

My guess is chidichris sees the issues in the middle east as between Christians and Muslims, forgetting the injustice. Chidi please prove me wrong.

Tornadoz:

@Afam
My guess is chidichris sees the issues in the middle east as between Christians and Muslims, forgetting the injustice.
Chidi please prove me wrong.

Tornadoz:

@Afam
My guess is chidichris sees the issues in the middle east as between Christians and Muslims, forgetting the injustice.
Chidi please prove me wrong.

Isreal has lived in peace with Egypt and Jordan for some decades now.

It is the injustice that comes about because a man who lived centuries ago said no jew should be left alive on the last day.

I guess you too see issues from an anti-Semitic perpective.I can recall quite clearly,your very self using the term "Jew" in a perjorative manner,when you refered to Condoleeza Rice as a "black Jew".

So there's a probability it can live in peace with Palestinians. Building more houses in the occupied territory is hardly a way forward.

The two countries you quoted are Moslem countries as well. I wonder why they didn't believe the "kill all Jews" theory you stated. Could this be because Israel remains intransigent?

Tornadoz:

@I-manWhy would I be anti-Semitic? Give me a reason why a Nigerian born practicing Catholic would hate Israel?
I do not like the right wing govt of Ehud Omert, simple.
But you on the other hand supports everything Israel, weather right or wrong.

I-man:

PS:I do not support Isreal come what may.I too think they should return to most of the pre-1967 borders but I don't believe anymore that the Palestinians are willing peace partners

PS:I do not support Isreal come what may.I too think they should return to most of the pre-1967 borders but I don't believe anymore that the Palestinians are willing peace partners

Doesn't that turn the entire debate over its head? The conclusion from the very word go is "Isreal don't want peace". Are you now saying otherwise?

That is not a theory my friend. It is part of Hamas binding article. The diffeence is that the two countries I mentioned are governed by moderates who believe in civility and the inherent ability of the civilised world to solve its problem.

Hezbollah is trying to topple the Lebanese Government

Iran is governend by the one who is on a crusade to wipe out the Jews, we know Syria's agenda,

and the You.S. just rid Iraq of Saddam

who was sending scud missiles into Isreal unprovoced and without any retaliation from Isreal. Aer you blind to these facts or you just choose to ignore them?!

I remember,innumerable times,priests during mass claiming that the constant enimity the Jews face and the atrocities they have suffered over 2 millenia is connected to their rejection of Christ.

Don't forget that the Catholic Church has been pro-Palestine and campaigned at the UN,back in the 40s, to ensure that the State of Isreal was not admitted.It was reluctant to recognise Isreal.

That fantasy is expressed in demands for a "right of return" in order to use demographics as a weapon.

Most Arabs do no wish to have a 2 state solution.If the Arab Govts were elected,like in "Palestine",they will chose Govts that call for Isreal to be wiped off a la Ahmedinejad

It is this attitude,not Isreal,that constitutes the biggest stumbling block to the search for peace in the Middle East

I don't know what version of the good book you're reading, but this is in the version of the bible I have. Try this link for bible http://www.onlinebible.org/.
Am surprised you thought the priest made it up, please get rid of any dodgy Bible in your possession.

Did you say demography?
So Israel can build settlements on occupied territories filled with Soviet, European and American Jews, but Palestinians living in the region can't return?

What do they want?
This is rich coming from a man who trumpets democracy in Iraq as an achievement, you want them hand picked or selected?

The stumbling block has always been who leads Israel. Expect negotiations to start when their's a change in leadership in Israel. The delay tactics explained by G Levy would cease if their was a Labour govt.

How come "moderate" Abbas couldn't deliver? Was it not because he couldn't deliver that made the Palestinian people  vote for Hamas?

Their was no Hezbollah in Lebanon until Israel invaded it, hence creating Hezbollah.

Afam:

GBAM! The same position that many of us that are labelled anti-Jew have taken is being taken by one of the most ardent supporters of Israel.

Maybe we have succeeded in knocking some senses into this man.

For peace to reign in the middle east Israel must withdraw to the pre 1967 borders and a state of Palestine created, chikena. Na hia our position start come finish sef.

You cannot have peace without justice, equity and fair play.

Donzman:

Some guys are funny, "I believe Israel should pul out and go back to its pre-1967 borders but I do not think Palestine are peace partners". This is stupid, Justice before Peace, when you serve Justice and peace does not reign, then you can make statements like the one above.