^^^ glad i have brought awareness and RE-MINDED you to what you already know my friend ^^...

plaetton:

We are human, so can only use our consciousness as a yardstick when I use the term real consciousness. Consciousness hat is conscious of itself. Consciousness that recognizes and mirrors itself.

consciousness is consciousness my friend.. yes there are different levels/degrees of consciousness just as there are different frequencies or degrees of light.. but one is not anymore real than the other...

yes you are "being" human.. a conglomeration of energy particles being a human.... a human being but you are at your core made up of particles of energy first, just like everything else in the universe.. .. you are sachet/particles of energy come together vibrating at a different frequency than say a table or a dog, that's it my brother.. your level of consciousness is not any more "real" than say a dog...

plaetton:

I used the words " to some extent" to convey the fact that it may be negligibly small to be in consequential in on itself.

And yes, every cell carries a consciousness within it, but remember what I said before that it is when these bits of consciousness aggregate to a very high degree, such as in the neurons and the brain, that it reaches a certain threshold of frequency that real consciousness, as in awareness, arises.
With this in mind, I reiterate that we shall have a conscious computer in the near or distant future when computer power reaches that unique mathematical threshold.

at bold, now we are sailing into "dangerous" waters..wanted to keep this simple but oh well..

This might sound insane to you due to your point of view at this point..but @ bold, "real" consciousness according to whose point of view? a human "being" or a rock "being"... what makes you think your level of consciousness is any more real than that of a bacteria or a table...

Also if you would what does a "being" mean to you...

plaetton:

What I mean is that everything, anything that has subatomic particles colliding in motion carries miniscule amounts of consciousness within it, a quanta, the smallest bit of interactive information.

i know and understand what you're saying wholly... The point i am trying to make is that you cant agree that every subatomic particle has an amount of consciousness within it and then state you believe everything has consciousness to an extent...it means you don't believe wholeheartedly that everything has consciousness...

it is just like saying that there is an exception to a rule(well it is not really a rule if there is an exception is it?).... my question is to what extent do you not agree that everything has consciousness..

The more interactive information, the greater the degree of consciousness. The human brain , for example, has the greatest amount of interactive information at any given time, therefore our level of consciousness is by far greatest in this planet.

true @bold.. another way of saying the more information/knowledge, the greater the degree of consciousness or awareness..

but i think i have caught on to something and know where your problem lies.. don't think for a second that your brain is the only organ where consciousness exists/originates.. every cell in your body has consciousness/mind.. every cell in your body has a mind of its own.. Most people seem to think their thoughts originate only from their brain because the brain as you rightly said has the greater amount of interactive information at any given time(there are more cells in the brain than any part of your body) and thus appears to be where thoughts originate from..

plaetton:

Yes, to an extent , anything that has an electron has a limited quanta of consciousness within it.
To me , this would explain how organic molecules aggregated and formed complex self-replicating RNAs as the biochemical precursors of DNA billions of years ago.

ok so lets go with this... if every electron has a quanta of consciousness within it why then agree to an extent? care to expatiate?

plaetton:

Consciousness, scientifically speaking, is field of quantized bits of interaction. Interactions of energy. In other words, when energy interacts, a quanta of consciousness is created. When these quanta or quantum aggregate to a certain mathematical threshold, a field of consciousness is generated that basically assumes a course of its own.
Understanding this can enable us understand all natural and supernatural phenomena in the universe.

plaetton:

Yes sir, I do.
Since we are conscious products of the universe, it would make sense that the same dynamic physics would have also, long before us, made the universe conscious.
But, I reiterate that the universe, just like life, evolved and is still evolving.
Also, that consciousness did not create the universe, but is a by-product of energy interactions within the universe.
Thus,this evolved field of consciousness now put the universe in a course and directs the evolution of all things within universe, notably biological life as we know it.

Good.. now do you agree that everything has consciousness..

i don't remember if it was you or Anony i was having a discussion with( a while back)where i stated that everything has consciousness and you/he disagreed? Perhaps it was Wiegraf... if it is not you i will still like to hear your view on it based on your post above..

Weah96:

Exactly. That's why it's dangerous to retain images of a Caucasian male in one's head as god.

it is not dangerous to the one doing it if it brings them comfort however ignorant the person might be..There is no god outside of anyone.. We are all GOD..however you can choose to make anyone/being or anything your god or you can choose not to..Anyone is free to create their reality they so chooses, consciously or unconsciously..

The lower your level of awareness/intelligence/consciousness/evolution, the greater your need for a God(and there is nothing wrong with that..).. Beings who belief in a God outside of themselves will outgrow it just like kids outgrow their belief in Santa as they evolve into a higher level of awareness...

We may be responsible for the plight of Africans without even being aware of it. I really believe that the two things are connected.

Africans are the way they are because of their beliefs.. in fact every individual or group/nation/continent is the way they are because of their beliefs or collective beliefs(in the case of a group/nation/continent...) You are what you create. you create what you are..

No one is responsible for you but yourself...NO one is responsible for the plight of Africans but Africans themselves.. Africans are powerless because they have given up being RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES... They have given up their responsibilities to "powerful" nations, to an imaginary "god" and "devil' etc..

When You stop being responsible you give up your power; when you give up your power, you give up your ability to choose: when you give up your choices, you give up your freedom.. When you stop being responsible and give up your freedom, you are asking another to think and take action on your behalf however detrimental it might be for you.... Not a good way to live...

You are the "Creator" and the "created"...
God "created" the universe and the Universe "created" God
The universe "created" God and God "created" the universe..

understand this divine dichotomy and you would have answered your question..

You are the universe. The universe is a projection of your MIND.. A projection of consciousness..

cold:
Complete & utter bullshitt! This is akin to hugging your opponent in the boxing ring. You're obviously bereft of ideas at this point,so you just keep oscillating around the subject matter without making any new input in last ditch effort to remain relevant. That being said,whether you believe in or know 'the all that is'exists,i honestly can't take you seriously. No matter how hard you try to embellish it, your idiocy comes shining through. I would really love to go a whole lot easier on you but sometimes one just has to put these rètards in their place. It's a grimey job i agree but someone has to do it

i knew what i said would fly over your head. not surprised at all son!

cold:
The fact that you're slow is not in doubt.It's the enormity of the situation that is frightening.Your case is really pitiable.The fact that you believe in a 'God(all that is)' is all the proof I need that you simply can't be classed as intelligent but nice try

lol there he goes again with another blunder and a silly strawman. you should stick with debating Christians with your silly conjectures my friend.. like most pseudo atheists you are really not very intelligent. i could see through your ignorance from the beginning so clutching at straws at this point to save face is really not necessary...

Since your level of understanding and intelilgence is obviously very low let me quote what i said for you again. "but[b]I know that God( the all that is )exists[/b] and we are all individuations of the all that is. Fact."

again this is very simple but if you need me to i will break it down for you.. Believing and knowing are not the same thing..not that there is anything wrong with believing in a god.. but understand that "i know the "All That is" exist and i believe the all that is exists are the not the same thing, novice...do you need me to expatiate on this for you as well? lol

cold:
Says the same person that said this earlier



You can't even make up your mind and take a stance on anything.If you can't stand for something,you'll fall for anything. Apparently,you're even more confused than I gave you credit for.This exchange has been a colossal waste of my time.Continue to wallow in your ignominy

lol just like I said. A pseudo atheist. One who is not that intelligent either.

Understand that there is no contradiction in both statements.. God( all that is) exists; and I don't have a god are not contradictions. Only a simpleton will think otherwise..it is very simple. Don't make me have to break it down for you.

cold:
Lol..get bitter all you want.It does not take away from the fact that your god is one sick,twisted,petty,unjust,unforgiving control-freak,vindictive,bloodthirsty,ethnic cleanser,mysogynistic,racist,megalomaniacal,filicidal,pestilential,infanticidal,sadomasochistic,capriciously malevolent creature

why get bitter. Iam only teaching you..yes going by the bible the christian "god" is indeed malevolent. Your folly here is that you seem to think I am a Christian or have a god..

Having said that your argument about the kids and God still crumbles the moment it is dissected. Calling the christian god all sorts of names will not exonerate humanity( which you are a part) from that responsibility.

Again you are as lost and ignorant as the Christians you bash...

cold:
Lol..very typical. You keep coming across as a borderline rétard desperately trying to sound intelligent. I have you all figured out

lol pathetic..another pseudo atheist who resort to silly conjectures and can't back it up due to their ignorance. They tuck their tail between their legs and run the minute they get challenged..

You are as pathetic and lost as the Christians you bash.

BTW I know you have me figured out. The reason I engaged you so go back and answer my question and stop the silly cat and mouse game to cover your ignorance

cold:
let me reiterate. Your god is as useless as a used condom

lol am i supposed to take offence to this. and who says I have a god.

let me recapitulate. My observation is that You are more useless than a used condom due to your ignorance.

cold:
Bottomline..your god is usęless in the scheme of things

my god?.. who says I have a god. and what scheme of things god brother.

BTW I know what I said earlier flew over your head due to your ignorance but its OK.

cold:
Unless we can all agree that there's no such thing as god,skydaddy,supreme being or whatever anywhere,then we can conveniently shift the blame to man. But until then i lay all the blame at the feet of a god who not only brought these children to this world but failed to protect & cater to their needs. I would do a much better job

I don't kmow about a skydaddy or supreme being( depends on what you mean by supreme) somewhere, but I know that God( the all that is )exists and we are all individuations of the all that is. Fact.

But let's entertain your line of thinking for a second. Even If there is such a thing as a skydaddy why do you see it as her/ his duty to cater for the needs of these kids. Why should he come all the way down from his abode to cater for these kids when other humans are in a better position to do that..

Don't you think he would be infringing on your/humanity freewill..
Are you that wicked and lazy that you need your skydaddy to come down and do something as simple and humane as feeding the hungry among you and yet you throw away billions worth of food away everyday?..

cold:
I call bullshitt! Didn't your god claim to know the plans he has for us is for good & not of evil? Sorry your god lied. What have these children done to deserve such suffering from a loving god? I'd strongly suggest you stop defending the indefensible. Your god is more or less irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

what's your point really. Humans are forever shifting the blame...are you insinuating that a God somewhere is responsible for the plight of these kids?..The question you should be asking is what did these kids do to deserve this cruelty from mankind..

BTW Some of you should also understand that there is no God or deity higher than you who predetermined your destiny.. You did. You and only you predetermined your destiny before incarnating here.

owotonbinu: lets get a lil' bit religious here..if truly destiny is pre-determined...y bother abt living righteous..cos wen is all said and done..you might not have been choosing to make heaven..Brothers and sisters..CHOOSE YOUR PATH

choosing your path has really nothing much to do with your destiny except to determine how bumpy or smooth you wish/choose( consciously or unconsciously) the process or journey to be..

In choosing your path, you are choosing your fate. Not your destiny.. most of you confuse fate with destiny..

eluquenson: Is every event of our lives predetermined?

For the past several months I’ve been trying to understand and determine if we are all living scripted lives that we cannot change or if we have free will and the ability to completely change our fates. It didn’t seem to me that both could be right at the same time. Finally I just asked my guides and they explained it to me. Here is how they explained it.

Before we are born, our higher self gets together with other, wiser, spirits to work out a plan for our next incarnation that includes major life events such as who are parents will be, who our siblings will be (if any), our marriage partner, kids, career, and many other events too numerous to list.

I don't remember how the debate ended, I think that Bible Study just ended before any conclusion was made on either side.

Now, recently, I've been thinking about this subject again, but from a different way. The question that makes me question whether fates are predetermined or not is what is different now. Is God omniscience because he determined it all beforehand, or because he understands us all so much that he knows what decisions we'll make?

So, pretty much, I'm looking for other views on the subject on how destiny comes about. I'm especially interested in the views of other religions (particularly Islam, eckankar, so hopefully Solar will stop by. lol), along with many denominations of Christianity.

SO , IS DESTINY PER-DETERMINED OR ME-DETERMINED or is it considered it to be a bit of both?

you choose your destiny(destination/purpose/goal) before incarnating here in physicality..So yes it is predetermined before your engagement in physicality..

Now you cannot change your destiny once here but what you can change is your FATE..your fate is in your hands not your destiny.

Sagamite:



person, so it is time for you to spew moronic conjectures?

Of course it is expected of fucktards to throw conjectures when they are intimidated by intellectual dialectics. Evidence by the P*uussy above.

I failed to understand?

Let me read the rest and see whether you successfully proved I failed to understand.

In your haste to reply you always fail to see the core of what i say.. you have a one track mind. you fail to live by your definition of intelligence.. one of my purpose for incarnating here is to teach so dont worry we will get there..

You are a person!

It is PERFECTLY okay and frequent for an intelligent person to seek a win-lose situation if it serves the best long-term goal.

Your problem is that you are way too thick and like majority of the public (i.e. fucktards), you are like a stupid barn animal who is impressionable by anything bright and sparkly, or simply take the most impressive or aggressive sounding sound bite offered as the rule.

Your only and repeated description of intelligence is that applied to diplomacy because you are way too cretinous to think laterally.

Hear the cretin: "Intelligence is love", "Intelligence seeks equality. equality is about fairness".

Another example of "stupid barn animals who are impressionable by anything bright and sparkly" is evident by those that support homosexuality. Obviously it is easier to argue love, tolerance, equality, freedom etc, than to argue principles, morality, deviance, disgust etc.

obviously your level of intelligence still cant decipher my "intelligence is love" statement so i will try it with another angle..like matter and energy, love is manifestation of intelligence just as matter is manifestation of energy.. on the other hand "evil" is manifestation of ignorance.. love is intelligence expressed.. like white and black being one and the same and likewise energy and matter so is intelligence and love... if you are not expressing love you are not expressing intelligence... like i stated earlier though i am not going to waste my time on this. your problem though as evidenced by your ignorance is that by LOVE you assume i am mean love as pertains to a relationship alone.

You are a person!

I am destroying to fix. I have a full understanding of the Nigerian psychology. When you are debating with them publicly, for a majority,you have to destroy the stewpid pride, the "I no go carry last pride" to fix them, not just say "intelligence is love".

I don't do that for every Nigerian, I study each type and understand the level of damage the failed education system has caused and I apply the best approach to get them to change their opinions, person.

Some need only logical dialectics, some need public humiliation. For the latter, I fix them by making them reach "the point":

https://www.nairaland.com/1407845/expatriates-indepth-analysis-corruption-nigeria/10#17679651

i am not nigerian so i dont have the full understandidng of the nigerian psychology. But i know and will tell you this if you claim to have the full understanding of the nigerian psychology and still feels like the best solution is to demean/insult and use /coercion/violent/negative aggression to fix the problem then i am afraid you are not that intelligent or not who you think you are..The best general is the one who wins a battle without raising a single sword..

By the time I finish with you, you will reach the point of self-realisation of knowing you are not intelligent. You are merely a pretender without original thinking, throwing moronic platitudes that he has been impressed with.

lol actually the more you post the more you expose your pseudo intelligence. i dont know if you realize that i am not taking you serious. i already knew from the onset that you are not enlightened yet.. after all you are a creature of yahweh. so no surprises. i am only exposing the folly in your thinking.

I had studied you from the start and I knew you do not have the intellect to debate with me when I am sleeping and my brain is recharging. You were too stewpid to observe your cretinous cohorts were running from a debate from me and only preferred insulting contest because they knew they would be pummeled intellectually. You were foolhardy because you stewpidly put "genius" in your name?

lol he is actually happy that people are running away from him. you really are intelligent. NOT

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Adages!

person!

Another product of a failed education system and their over-reliance on adages:

https://www.nairaland.com/658179/sagamites-analysis-state-governors/10#8300542

So what if your enemies are always around you?

What will they do when they are helpless?

Theben would wake up one day and be intelligent enough to argue with me and humiliate me?

lol so it is humiliation you are worried about huh. so much for your intelligence. what makes you think humiliation is the only thing your "enemies" will seek.. like i said an intelligent being seeks no enemies. something you have yet to grasp due to your ignorance.

person, as I told you: Intelligent people think laterally and flexibly to apply their approach to get the result they want. Unfortunately for a person like you, your rigid thought of intelligence (i.e. the impressive sounding sound bites type) is virtually only applicable to diplomacy sphere.

an intelligent person always seeks the BEST result always( all-ways).. think about this deeply since you don't seem to do this.. the best result might not always be what you WANT but what you NEED.. for once think deep. most of you humans don't.

An intelligent person might keep some enemies close and some fcking far away, person!

Your adage is moronic and only impressive to simpletons!

Lateral, flexible thinking!

an intelligent person should have no enemies period god brother. how is this so hard for you to understand lol.. if you dont know this understand that intelligence is measured by wealth and FREEDOM.. having enemies is not freedom ignorant.

person, I told you only intelligent people can tell if someone is intelligent.

That is what I am proving.

You are a person, so how can you tell?

Your observation is as worthless as the bible is in Mecca!

actually the only thing you have proven so far is your lack of intelligence..still waiting for you to say something intelligent.

My belle o, my head o.

person what is this junk?

You just thought "Fck it! This guy has caught me saying something daft. I am just going to throw as much moronic conjectures as possible to cover this one up and defend it. I no go carry last"?

So everything in the world is done out of "love"? So when armed robbers come into your house and rob you, raaaape your daughter and wife, it was done out of love?

yes everything in the universe is done because of love.. now there are different kinds of love but they are all different degrees of the same thing..humans have denoted the highest form of love as Good/God and the lowest form of it evil/Devil. but they are all the same thing just differemt degrees of expression of the same thing..

listen to this cus it is very important. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING WRONG BASED ON THEIR LEVEL OF PERCEPTION OR VIEW OF THEIR WORLD.. do you think the terrorist taht destroyed the world trade center thought they were doing something wrong/bad.. now based on the perception of your world it is an "evil" act but in their world it is not.. the terrorist actually thought they were doing a good..

When heads of state loot a country and stop them from choosing a new leader, they are doing it out of love and are exhibiting intelligence?

see above

person! And you have "genius" in your name?

i do becuase unlike you i am i am actually a genius. i see things from all angles. i approach things from the core. the core is where the truth lies. you look at things from one angle and think it is the "truth" not knowing that it only half the truth and not the ultimate..i am actually amused about your so called intelligence. like i said my kind will always rule over you till you fully awake

Can you see now why your person cohorts were running from me?

Intellectual pummeling!

no they are actually running from you ignorance

You are a person and a product of a failed education system.

If you have worked at the highest level, you will know people defer on what is "the truth" and you have to continuously prove "the truth", cretin!

like i said we will continue to rule over you. he calls himself intelligent and yet beating his chest that he worked at the highest level..lol you will always be a slave to the system utill you actually acquire real intelligence.. first off it is unnecessary to prove the "truth". you can neither prove or disprove a truth. truth simply is..if you feel the need to prove a truth then it is not a "truth".. you are you are doing is proving your percerption or version of the truth. not truth. it is unnecessary to prove to me that you are a human being..if indeed you are.

That is why when you are applying to top firms, they test your influencing and managing resistance to change abilities.

ok keep applying to top firms. keep the system and order going.

I think by now, we SHOULD have come to "the point". Now you have proven you are dumb beyond words.

you are actually the dumb one here. which is another word for ignorant.

Because majority of the world are fucktards like you and I am a God in "the clerisy".

lol i had to laugh at this one.. a god you definitely are god brother..that you rightly got but you are still a slave of physicality.and please dont thinkk of yourself as among "the clerisy".. you are afterall a pawn in the system..

Some are born leaders, others are born followers.

The fact you don't know this is bonafide evidence you are not intelligent.

yes i know this. and as i stated we will always rule over you. since you chooses to be SLAVE even after being shown the path to freedom.

Another thing is that you are such a dimwit, you contradicted your earlier point I told you to applaud yourself for:



I said it then that your making sense was an accident, not original thinking.

Can you see now that you are a person?

i make no contradictions. it is your ignorance and lack of understanding that is the issue here.

You are a person!

Understanding what people need is what makes me flexible.

Abrasiveness is one of the tools.

abrasives is infact one of the tools. but the point that you fail to see is that it not the BEST tool. an intelligent person with complete understanding always goes for the best tool. but its ok though you are using that tool based on your level of intelligence..

Intelligent people like Katsumoto and Ajanlekoko that once disagreed with me, when they joined the forum, on my being abrasive, after a while saw the necessity and actually love to see the application on some people.

well again your level of intelligence will dictate the choices available thats ok. i am only telling you due to my awareness that it is not the best.

person, I am not the person seeing adn defining intelligence from only the diplomatic arena prism.

You are person. That is why you do not realise I am your intellectual God.

But I know I have got you to "the point".

I observe you did not dare compare my definition to yours.

to be honest with you god brother, you have not really uttered anything intellectual. unless you also have a warped understanding of intellectual..

I told you that I knew you could not define intelligence. That is why I hid mine from you until you define yours because I knew whatever you defined would be moronic if you are not privileged seeing mine first.

lol i told you this is not about me. it is about you. you cant even live by your definition of intelligence and you want me to define my version. you couldn't even grasp the level i said about intelligence. lol.

As i said i can see through yoour ignorance. The fake bravado and silly insults will not does not make you intelligent.

Sagamite:

You are a person!

Your intellect is below my feet and I knew your dumb, moronic arsse would not be able to define intellect.

I will be the one ruling over your dumb arsse!

Now let me cut your moronic assertions into shreds.

lol for someone who claims to be an intellect and yet still failed to understand most of what i wrote. it is obviously above your level of intelligence.

Cretin, you spout alot of moronic junk you have heard and you are beating your chest like if you have made sense.

Fool!

An intelligent person is flexible and adapts his style to the requirement of the goal. It does not always have to be win-win, cretin.

i actually knew you wasn't going to get that. so its ok. an intelligent person should always seek a win win situation. a win/win doesn't mean it be same or should always be a 50/50. no matter what the other person should feel like they are getting something worthwhile in return.. even if the other person is getting nothing, they should feel like it is the best option...intelligence seeks equality. equality is about fairness and not sameness because we are all not the same.(this is what humanity doesn't get)

person, fixing to get to a desired goal might actually include destroying. You are too stewpid to know that, you just spill platitudes.

well in your case you are not seeking to destroy to fix. you are simply destroying. And you cannot destroy to fix by forcing on it people..make them understand their ignorant ways and show them a better option. once they see the error in their ways they will actually be the ones destroying their evil/ignorant ways.. you thus becomes their savior and will hail you for it. insult and use of force will not cut it god brother.

person, there are some enemies that are no worth being friends.

then your enemies will always be around you and you will know no peace. not an act of intelligence. if you think they are not worth it they will think same of you. have you never heard of keep your friends close and your enemies closer?. there is wisdom in that which you fail to see.

person, oya clap for yourself.

Paa paa, papa pa paa, papa pa paa, paa paa.

That is the only intelligent thing you said about intelligence.

And I have taken it as a responsibility to teach fucktards like you due to your ignorance.

You see? I AM intelligent. I lecture cretins like you on NL everyday.

actually your are not intelligent/smart and this is not an insult but an OBSERVATION from my little interaction with you.

person! More moronic platitudes that shows your only sense making above (that you clapped for) was by accident.

Intelligence has nothing to do with love and does not necessarily have to be pleasing or desirable.

again i knew you would not understand that either. intelligence has everything to do with love. your ignorance has beclouded your reasoning and understanding. nothing in this world is done without love. even hate is a form of Love. everything exists due to this very word- LOVE. NOTHING IS DONE WITHOUT IT. it is very simple and for someone who claims to be intelligent i am very disappointed. i am not going to waste my time to explain this further though.

Majority of people in the world are fucktards like you, trying to please you people or finding what is desirable to you is not possible neither is it what is best. That is what intelligent people like Margaret Thatcher knew.

lol i had to shake my head to this one. depicting that which is pleasing and desirable is not the same thing as trying to please people. lol.. intelligence does not try. it already is.. understand that TRYING TO BE ANYTHING MEANS THAT YOU ARE NOT THAT THING. you are only pretending. intelligence speaks for itself. you on the other hand is going out of your way to prove to people that you are intelligent and as such has the opposite effect and screams only thing -that you are not intelligent..

A truth needs no prove. it simply is. it is self evident.

Sometimes, you have to train fucktards from what pleases them and they desire that is inferior to what is better.

who are you to decide for others what pleases them or not. who gets to set the rules of whats better and not better..you? what makes you think your version of better is the same as others. what makes you think you are better than someone else and as such needs to have them accept your ways.. it is your kind of thinking which has humanity barely evolving like other beings in the universe. everyone thinks they are better than the next person..

Neither does intelligent have to necessarily be beautiful, it should be employed to attain a better long-term position.

If I was on a Ghanaian or UK website, I would not be as abrasive because I know it takes a different approach to get to the goal. That is my intelligence at play: flexibility and adaptability, not your moronic junk of rigidity.

being abrasive will only get you so far..it is understanding that people need. understanding of any problem solves the problem. if you cannot find a way to let the people acquire that skill then using abrasiveness only compounds the problem and brings more confusion.. this is what you don't get since you are obviously still ignorant of these things..

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Now cretin, it is obvious you do not even know how to develop a definition. Your moronic arssse just spewed and threw together a set of nice sound platitudes together (some of which are mutually exclusive from intelligence), and thought you were making sense.

person, now let me lecture you as part of my service to humanity to teach fucktards like you due to your ignorance.

I have already defined intelligence before on NL, so don't think I was running before when I insisted you do.

I just knew you were too dumb to be able to define it because fucktards are not in a position to say who is intelligent or not, since they cannot define it, test it or spot it. And I wanted to publicly prove it!

Here you go, cretin:

https://www.nairaland.com/291120/examination-true-test-knowledge#4124091

"My own definition of intelligence is the ability to consistently see not only the primary factors and perspectives of issues but also the the secondary and most of the tertiary factors and perspectives. Very few people have this ability."

Succinct!

It is not like you all-over-the-place moronic pile of platitudes.

Your intellect is below my feet!

Intelligence is love my arsse!

FOOOOL!

lol dont you think seeing all the perspectives of an issue and consistently coming up with the wrong solution makes you a fool.

Sagamite:

No, you are a person!

You cannot define what you mean by intelligence.

So far your definition is: An intelligent person does not relish in his diatribes on others.

That is a moronic conjecture pulled from deep within the cracks of the arsse. I gave you a chance to modify it but you are not capable as I was sure you would not. That makes you a person.

my goodness most humans are indeed fools/ignorant and uncivilized. This is why my kind will continue to rule over you until you fully awake.. like your poet said fools will be fools as certain as fate, men of wisdom use them as your tools. That and only that is the use of fools..

you are not fooling anyone god brother. masking your obvious ignorance with silly insults will only further drown you in the abyss of ignorance.
You averred that you are far more intelligent than someone while insulting em. i then asked you to define intelligence and all you have done is dance around like a deluded native american shaman instead of defining your so called intelligence..

you are obviously not bright so i will leave you with this advice. understand that intelligence does not seek enemies or a win lose situation. intelligence is wisdom/love. it only seeks a win win situation. intelligence fixes and not seeks to destroy. claiming to be intelligent while insulting others or putting others down only exposes your ignorance. The wisest among you are those who turns their enemies into friends and not further alienates them.

intelligence is awareness. awareness gives you knowledge and knowledge gives you power and freedom. so therefore intelligence is power. and with power comes responsibility. if you claim to be intelligent then you should know that it is your responsibility to teach those that you are claiming to be ignorant. one who calls himself wise and living in opulence while while surrounded by chaos/downtrodden and looking down on others is only living in fools paradise. eventually he will be consumed by the chaos/ignorance and the downtrodden will rise up against him. That is not very wise if you ask me. intelligence seeks no enemies.

you create your world and reality. so if you want your world to be a better place then take responsibility and be a light onto the darkness.

No one will listen to you if your method of correcting them is to demean and insult. Intelligence is reason. it is love and always depicts that which is pleasing and desirable. If something doesn’t depict that, then it is also lacking in intelligence. This is why there is intelligence in beauty and that which is lacking beauty is lacking intelligence. if you are seeking to look down on others while correcting then you are showing your lack of intelligence..

Sagamite:

You asserted that something does not show intelligence. So YOU should come up with the points. Let me remind you were you did so:

be patience will ya god brother.. again in order for me to come up with the points you will first have to define what you mean by inteligence.. this is what you asserted earlier to another poster before i came on this thread.
"The benefit of being far more intelligent [b][/b]than fucktards like you is that I can always intellectually bully you."

SO what does intelligence mean to you. define it

YOU challenged, so demonstrate the basis of your challenge.

you will have to define and prove your position first before i demonstrate the basis of my challenge. i cannot define/prove my negative if you cannot define or prove your positive. This is like a theist asking an atheist to prove why God doesn't exist while failing to "prove" or define its existence.. you are not doing a good job so far god brother..

I want you to demonstrate it because I know Simpletons don't have the ability to define intelligence or identify it. I have always said that should be left to the clerisy.

if you want learn i can define and expatiate on what intelligence means to me. but this is not about me. it is about your claim so lets stick to that.

Can you see that you are below the threshold of intelligence to judge intelligence.

you are actually showing your threshold of intelligence the more you utter statements like these.( you are still at first level of intelligence with the little i have seen IMO) you don't have to be at the apex of intelligence to judge intelligence. one doesnt have to be all knowing to or have complete awareness to judge intelligence.. judgement is judgement and to judge is to compare. you dont have to have complete intelligence to call out the fallacies in the bible for instance.

I answered your question and instead of stating your point of why it is bad judgement, you came up with this rubbish?

calling it rubbish doesnt change the fact that you made a bad judgment by making a general statement..

You are too thick to identify intelligence. Simple.

again i am not taking you serious yet because you have failed to define what intelligence means to you.

Sagamite:

No you please define what intelligence is.

You are the one that claims knowing how to identify it. So please do.

I wait.

lol you claimed you are intelligent. so i ask you what is intelligence? i am asking you to define what it means to you... if you want to be taken seriously you have to define your terms as you understand them.

anything which lacks a definition is boundless and thus cannot be identified. intelligence is a concept and all concepts needs definitions to be identifiable. i cannot know if you are intelligent or not if you cannot define what intelligence is.. by asserting to be intelligent the onus is on you to define what the concept means to you. then and only then can i identify or judge you by it. it is hogwash to claim intelligence without setting the parameters. then the word itself becomes nonsensical

N ....................O!

And don't get yourself stuck on this. I would teach you about "assertion efficiency due to bounded time".

if your answer is no then you are not that intelligent after all.. and yes i am all ears. i am always teaching and learning as well. so go ahead and teach me god brother

I am not against anyone and this is certainly not a battle. understand that there is no "intelligence" to be had from a battle/argument.

NL member:

Hohoho

Sagamite against the whole of Nairaland.....

Battle of epic proportions

Sagamite:

Do you think a simpleton is capable of identifying what is intelligence?

lol. What does intelligence mean to you ..

And to my point earlier. Do you admit that your earlier assertion about black people was made in bad judgement ?

Sagamite:

You are a p*uussy person!

I said it from the Go:



You are not a man, you are a P*uusy!

When you see a man. Run!

You seem to relish in your diatribes on others. it doesn't show intelligence.. And it is certainty not the mark of an intelligent God, god brother..

You have to admit that your earlier post about "black people " was made in bad judgment ... Unless of course you fail to see that..

plaetton:

You know, the word" create" brings a lot of problems when you are trying to explain abstract concepts.

To create implies that there was a time when nothing existed. For anyone to create means that something existed prior ( which is a contradiction).

actually this is not a contradiction at all. "To create implies that there was a time when nothing existed" doesn't mean "something" never existed. of course something existed prior. that something is what you are calling NOTHING... remember NOTHING is something with no properties.. when you break matter down to its core what you get is NOTHING...SO yes NOTHING has always existed..but again that nothing is something . it is just something with no properties...again i dont want to confuse you but nothing existed means "something existed..

Then questions arise as to the nature of the creator, and then who or what created it?
How did it gain foreknowledge of what it wanted to create?.

If you can't answer these questions, then dont use the word " create".

like i said there is a reason why i put it in quotes as i didn't want us to go this route.

@ Plaeton will answer your questions/concerns but read my post again. I specifically put create in quotes.. I also said she created from within.. if nothing else exists outside of yourself then you can only " create " from within.. and since its from within then the creation or the created is an illusion.. its very simple..

wiegraf:

Then you're cherry picking what's real and what isn't

no i am not. unless you failed to understand what i said..for instance i am not cherry picking if assert that matter or form is an illusion.. that which comes out of something else is an illusion..

On another note, this is a bit like solipism, no?

yea sort of you could say..i have been saying this in different ways since i joined this forum that all there is, is SELF. and noone or nothing else exist outside of us..there is only one of us and we(God) are all there is.. we are all representations or individuations of this SELF-The source. we are all projections of our HIGHER SELF(God).. like the cells in your body we are all playing our roles. The SELF(God) "created" all of this(life)from within(within because nothing else exist outise of itself so the only reference point is from within) in order to experience Self/itself.. we are all acting. you could say God(self) was bored out of his mind..

wiegraf:

This is obviously beyond them. They insist god is responsible for good only. Bad? No. Despite his creating everything....

.... And being omnipotent as well

Alpha and omega, as you say. This is whargarbl, but they still insist it's so.

It's fun watching those not afraid to face this fact address it, they become heretics. On this forum there's.obadiah (satan is god's partner) and okeyzxy (being xtian 'good' is hard and not secular 'good')

By your definitions in your ps, everything is an illusion

now it depends on what you mean by "everything"..you could say physicality is an illusion though...and i hope i dont confuse you with this.. but yes "everything" is an illusion. "NOTHING" is real. The only thing real is NOTHING. the only real "reality" is NOTHING..
it is from the "nothingness" that all things spring forth..The only thing real is consciousness..

once you understand the above you will know that everything(both seen and unseen-the something and the nothing) is not/cannot be an illusion. there must be (and there is) some reality otherwise the word "illusion" becomes nonsensical..