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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by EVarn(m): 8:53pm On Mar 28, 2017
Though I understand the rationale behind OP's idea..however,I think that such a law would be quite too extreme.
There are bound to be a number of people out there who graduated with a 3rd class or pass,but possess sharp intellect in specific areas.The university system itself is frankly not helping matters; some people cannot just do "la cram,la pour",but the way some courses are taught in Nigeria requires a student to be able to cram as much as he/she can.
In Universities like Unilorin,you can stay on the queue for 5-7 hours under the scorching sun just to write your CBT exam!,under such conditions,you get too tired to even care about the exam questions when you finally get into the hall,you just want to do your exam and get out as fast as possible to get rest.
There are even cases of missing results and disproportionate awarding of marks.
By and large,these arent excuses to justify failure,but it cant be omitted.
What Nigeria needs is a working system,only then will the unserious ones be weeded out.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by sonofthunder: 8:56pm On Mar 28, 2017
moblix:
Leadership is not all about grade,so as to destiny.dangote never went to school but he lead well n also do well in business. If u like give country to professor wat is going to happen will still happen. Politics in Nigeria is not about grade,but is full of greedy people
I quite agree with you assertions...


are you sure of the dangote part though?

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Homeboiy: 8:56pm On Mar 28, 2017
The one wey make ist class like dasuki, Jonathan n diezani u want abi
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by gaddafe(m): 9:00pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:

You still don't get it. Successfully running a country is not related to how wealthy you may have become. Wealth can be acquired through unscrupulous means. Your mental ability to process information, proffer solutions to problems and apply them decisively is important.
one thing you seem to forget is that a BSc is not a prerequisite to becoming a senator, president or governor. There is a reason for this. Go figure out. The last time I checked, Bsc or its equivalent is not also a prerequisite to becoming a registrar in a federal University.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by moblix: 9:01pm On Mar 28, 2017
are you sure of the dangote part though?
??
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:30pm On Mar 28, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
Jacob Zuma's highest qualification is PRY 3

Lula Da Silva, the former Pres. of Brazil highest educational attainment is high School, yet, he made better president and impact in Brazil than his flop of a successor, a Russell with intimidating educational and professional qualification.


Leadership is not a function of academic attainment...

Even the Igbo trader in Aba without formal education could make a better leader than a Professor of Economics.

Obong Attah of Akwa Ibom was a successful architect BUT his impact in the remodelling of Akwa Ibom was awful, unlike his successor Akpabio, who is a lawyer.

Rotimi Amaechi, a THIRD CLASS holder of English Language performed more than his predecessor Peter Odili, a Medical Doctor...


kapish
Many of the examples you stated were average leaders at best e.g Zuma, Amaechi. You keep comparing average with poor and making it sound good. There is a direct correlation with good governance and excellent performance in school (with a few exceptions). It would be immoral to obfuscate that fact with a few examples of some average leaders.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:32pm On Mar 28, 2017
moblix:
Leadership is not all about grade,so as to destiny.dangote never went to school but he lead well n also do well in business. If u like give country to professor wat is going to happen will still happen. Politics in Nigeria is not about grade,but is full of greedy people

Wikipedia is your friend!
Born-Aliko Dangote
10 April 1957 (age 59)
Kano, Kano State, Nigeria
Nationality-Nigerian
Citizenship-Nigerian (1957–present)
Education-Business Studies
Alma mater-Al-Azhar University, Cairo.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:35pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:

Many of the examples you stated were average leaders at best e.g Zuma, Amaechi. You keep comparing average with poor and making it sound good. There is a direct correlation with good governance and excellent performance in school (with a few exceptions). It would be immoral to obfuscate that fact with a few examples of some average leaders.
You just displayed ignorance by calling leaders like Lula Da Silva "average"....



Mugabe is the leader with one of the highest educational qualifications, yet his country is shitty

Google Russell...



You need to read my lady..

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:36pm On Mar 28, 2017
gaddafe:

one thing you seem to forget is that a BSc is not a prerequisite to becoming a senator, president or governor. There is a reason for this. Go figure out. The last time I checked, Bsc or its equivalent is not also a prerequisite to becoming a registrar in a federal University.
My point is that IT SHOULD BE A PREREQUISITE! Along with educational achievements we should also look at life achievements. As citizens we deserve the best. It's puzzling why we seem comfortable with school cert holders as presidents and senators.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:40pm On Mar 28, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
You just displayed ignorance by calling leaders like Lula Da Silva "average"....



Mugabe is the leader with one of the highest educational qualifications, yet his country is shitty

Google Russell...



You need to read my lady..


A few exceptions does not make it right. What do you have against selecting leaders who have performed excellent academically? With how bad things have become in this country, we should from this moment on totally scrutinize the achievements of those who want to lead.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Diplomaticbeing(m): 9:41pm On Mar 28, 2017
@OP

I don't envy you at all. Citing your submissions, it's obvious that you know what education is, but unfortunately you don't understand what the same education means.

Well, for your information, some people are so unorthodox in nature that they lack the perseverance and obedience it takes to acquire formal tertiary education or come out with good grades when they have the slightest of patience to enrol into one. Therefore, it's a taboo to quantify someone's level of intelligence based on her formal academic possessions.

Some of the best/resourceful brains I have been fortunate to associate with in the cause of my journey in life are mostly informally educated folks.

Take for instance, someone like Dino, without holding brief for him, I stand bold to say that he's one among the five most resourceful members in the current senate. This is despite his class of degree.

Formal tertiary education at best can help one that acquired it "thoroughly" to be brilliant. And by extension, it helps to gloss people's ignorance. Intelligence is mostly self-developed through self and continuous education. . . And the education here is always informal.

Intelligence is superior to brilliance. . . All intelligent people are brilliant but not all brilliant people are intelligent. In the same vein, understanding is superior to knowing (knowingness). Just as knowledge is superior to information.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Nobody: 9:41pm On Mar 28, 2017
U no even talk of senators wey Dey use waec, so Na third class matter u put for head
You're stupid

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by profmsboi(m): 9:41pm On Mar 28, 2017
Leave Dino matter

No be all our politicians go school make I tell you.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by PublicAssurance: 9:41pm On Mar 28, 2017
Rubbish* My driver is a first class OAU grad, and I proudly finished with 3rd class.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:42pm On Mar 28, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
You just displayed ignorance by calling leaders like Lula Da Silva "average"....



Mugabe is the leader with one of the highest educational qualifications, yet his country is shitty

Google Russell...



You need to read my lady..


Again, this was my comment 'Many of the examples you stated were average leaders at best e.g Zuma, Amaechi. Take note of the many.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Nobody: 9:42pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:
The ambiguities involving Dino Melaye's certificate scandal has overwhelmed Nigeria's news space. The pertinent reality that only few people talk about is: Either a senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria did not graduate from a university or he graduated with an abysmal grade. It is now clear that a major part of Nigeria's  problem is the high number of uneducated and underqualified leaders occupying important political positions. This is unfortunately accompained with a populace that does not seem to care.‎ 
There was a recent thread of a proud third class civil engr Uniben graduate. While we admire the young man's courage to accept his subpar performance in school, we detest the idea that third class graduates should be allowed to occupy sensitive political postions. Nigerians have to realize that: ONLY excellent and qualified employers can make an organization excellent. Political positions should be treated as an important job vacancy and elections should be seen as a serious job interview.  It is because Nigerians don't pay attention to the qualities presented by 'prospective job applicants' and majorly look at tribe, religion or 'Number of Rice Bags shared' that we are in this mess of a country.
Unintelligent people would reply by saying 'Many People with 2nd class and 1st class are not as rich as some with 3rd class? They go on to proffer as an example, a detestable and morally reprehensible creature like Dino Melaye. The obvious answer is 'the ineffectual and unqualified political office holders are the cause of the failed experiment called Nigeria. The high rates of unemployment and wealth inequality are due to exactly leaders of such groups.

Another class of mentally myopic individuals would cite an example like Goodluck Jonathan, who was a PHD holder but was also mediocre as a leader.‎
The not so obvious ‎answer to this comes in the form of a parable: 'Lack of good tomatoes does not mean we should cook stew with sand'. The fact that GEJ was terrible should spur us on to properly screen our leaders (plus political parties) and request for even better qualities. We should not make the mistake again ‎of selecting someone bad just because average did not work out. 
A country of 180 million people demands someone intelligent and capable to run it. Lives and futures are literally at stake. We should not take the posts of the president and senators as a testing ground for failures in school. A successful organization like first bank will not employ a third class graduate as CEO so why should NIGERIANS accept third class graduates (or complete illiterates) as senators?

Hopefully, we shall see where your certificate will carry you.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by esmarcq(m): 9:42pm On Mar 28, 2017
What is this one saying, I won't bother reading it as the title has already discredited the write-up

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by jaymejate: 9:42pm On Mar 28, 2017
I'm having a feeling that Malaye is on NL... You better keep shut, Gs got no chill
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by profmsboi(m): 9:42pm On Mar 28, 2017
PublicAssurance:
Rubbish* My driver is a first class OAU grad, and I proudly finished with 3rd class.

Why you too dey lie like this?
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:43pm On Mar 28, 2017
PublicAssurance:
Rubbish* My driver is a first class OAU grad, and I proudly finished with 3rd class.
Congrats on employing a graduate as a driver. However you are missing the point. You employing a first class as a driver does not make you a suitable candidate for president.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by PROPHETmichael: 9:43pm On Mar 28, 2017
With his 3rd class, he performs better on the floor of the senate than those with 1st class etc.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by kelvyn7: 9:44pm On Mar 28, 2017
HOW ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BECOME PRESIDENT WITH NEPA BILL? cheesy


THE DAYS OF WELL QUALIFIED LEADERS WITH PHD AND MSC ARE OVER cheesy

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Nobody: 9:44pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:

My point is that IT SHOULD BE A PREREQUISITE! Along with educational achievements we should also look at life achievements. As citizens we deserve the best. It's puzzling why we seem comfortable with school cert holders as presidents and senators.

And what certificate does your president have? Thank God for Internet where people can hide behind monikers to post comments without giving it much thought

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:45pm On Mar 28, 2017
EVarn:
Though I understand the rationale behind OP's idea..however,I think that such a law would be quite too extreme.
There are bound to be a number of people out there who graduated with a 3rd class or pass,but possess sharp intellect in specific areas.The university system itself is frankly not helping matters; some people cannot just do "la cram,la pour",but the way some courses are taught in Nigeria requires a student to be able to cram as much as he/she can.
In Universities like Unilorin,you can stay on the queue for 5-7 hours under the scorching sun just to write your CBT exam!,under such conditions,you get too tired to even care about the exam questions when you finally get into the hall,you just want to do your exam and get out as fast as possible to get rest.
There are even cases of missing results and disproportionate awarding of marks.
By and large,these arent excuses to justify failure,but it cant be omitted.
What Nigeria needs is a working system,only then will the unserious ones be weeded out.
THANK YOU! This guy gets it. If we had mentally sound leaders, then the problems plaguing our educational system would be fixed.

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by jamislaw(m): 9:45pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:
The ambiguities involving Dino Melaye's certificate scandal has overwhelmed Nigeria's news space. The pertinent reality that only few people talk about is: Either a senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria did not graduate from a university or he graduated with an abysmal grade. It is now clear that a major part of Nigeria's  problem is the high number of uneducated and underqualified leaders occupying important political positions. This is unfortunately accompained with a populace that does not seem to care.‎ 
There was a recent thread of a proud third class civil engr Uniben graduate. While we admire the young man's courage to accept his subpar performance in school, we detest the idea that third class graduates should be allowed to occupy sensitive political postions. Nigerians have to realize that: ONLY excellent and qualified employers can make an organization excellent. Political positions should be treated as an important job vacancy and elections should be seen as a serious job interview.  It is because Nigerians don't pay attention to the qualities presented by 'prospective job applicants' and majorly look at tribe, religion or 'Number of Rice Bags shared' that we are in this mess of a country.
Unintelligent people would reply by saying 'Many People with 2nd class and 1st class are not as rich as some with 3rd class? They go on to proffer as an example, a detestable and morally reprehensible creature like Dino Melaye. The obvious answer is 'the ineffectual and unqualified political office holders are the cause of the failed experiment called Nigeria. The high rates of unemployment and wealth inequality are due to exactly leaders of such groups.

Another class of mentally myopic individuals would cite an example like Goodluck Jonathan, who was a PHD holder but was also mediocre as a leader.‎
The not so obvious ‎answer to this comes in the form of a parable: 'Lack of good tomatoes does not mean we should cook stew with sand'. The fact that GEJ was terrible should spur us on to properly screen our leaders (plus political parties) and request for even better qualities. We should not make the mistake again ‎of selecting someone bad just because average did not work out. 
A country of 180 million people demands someone intelligent and capable to run it. Lives and futures are literally at stake. We should not take the posts of the president and senators as a testing ground for failures in school. A successful organization like first bank will not employ a third class graduate as CEO so why should NIGERIANS accept third class graduates (or complete illiterates) as senators?
how many of those senators have certificate?

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by chuksjuve(m): 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
with access to internet, cheap phones people just write anything to feel important and think they are knowledgeable...
op belongs to the class of people described above...insult not intended..
take heed lest you ........


check my profile and be happy

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by blackboy(m): 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
SalamRushdie:
How many times will you be told that Dino has gone on to graduate with a masters degree ..OP I must say you are a very shallow thinker and it's people like you that must be prevented for holding govt office ...
lol cheesy

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Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Doriana2: 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
jamislaw:
how many of those senators have certificate?
Not many of them do. Which is a HUGE problem.
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by jayAjoku(m): 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
Lol this post is funny coz Op will gladly take a job offer from a third class senator or officer holder gladly ...




abi Op if dino say make you come work for am u no go gree?


all the first class products in nigeria none of them are billionaires or even great leaders so Wtf are you talking about?
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by akigbemaru: 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
Doriana2:
The ambiguities involving Dino Melaye's certificate scandal has overwhelmed Nigeria's news space. The pertinent reality that only few people talk about is: Either a senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria did not graduate from a university or he graduated with an abysmal grade. It is now clear that a major part of Nigeria's  problem is the high number of uneducated and underqualified leaders occupying important political positions. This is unfortunately accompained with a populace that does not seem to care.‎ 
There was a recent thread of a proud third class civil engr Uniben graduate. While we admire the young man's courage to accept his subpar performance in school, we detest the idea that third class graduates should be allowed to occupy sensitive political postions. Nigerians have to realize that: ONLY excellent and qualified employers can make an organization excellent. Political positions should be treated as an important job vacancy and elections should be seen as a serious job interview.  It is because Nigerians don't pay attention to the qualities presented by 'prospective job applicants' and majorly look at tribe, religion or 'Number of Rice Bags shared' that we are in this mess of a country.
Unintelligent people would reply by saying 'Many People with 2nd class and 1st class are not as rich as some with 3rd class? They go on to proffer as an example, a detestable and morally reprehensible creature like Dino Melaye. The obvious answer is 'the ineffectual and unqualified political office holders are the cause of the failed experiment called Nigeria. The high rates of unemployment and wealth inequality are due to exactly leaders of such groups.

Another class of mentally myopic individuals would cite an example like Goodluck Jonathan, who was a PHD holder but was also mediocre as a leader.‎
The not so obvious ‎answer to this comes in the form of a parable: 'Lack of good tomatoes does not mean we should cook stew with sand'. The fact that GEJ was terrible should spur us on to properly screen our leaders (plus political parties) and request for even better qualities. We should not make the mistake again ‎of selecting someone bad just because average did not work out. 
A country of 180 million people demands someone intelligent and capable to run it. Lives and futures are literally at stake. We should not take the posts of the president and senators as a testing ground for failures in school. A successful organization like first bank will not employ a third class graduate as CEO so why should NIGERIANS accept third class graduates (or complete illiterates) as senators?
Re: Third Class Graduates Should Not Be Allowed To Hold Important Political Posts by Victornezzar: 9:46pm On Mar 28, 2017
Op

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