E b like say this op b learner. Dem tell u say first class or 2-1 means brilliance, & 3rd class meams dullard. Dem tell u say people with good grade no dey do runs? When no b d same course dem study sef..... U b real olodo. Carry all of dem do the same intelligence test make u see their general performance

Doriana2:

You still don't get it. Successfully running a country is not related to how wealthy you may have become. Wealth can be acquired through unscrupulous means. Your mental ability to process information, proffer solutions to problems and apply them decisively is important.

And you think a 3rd class degree holder can't posses all of these?
Examinations most times are not true test of knowledge. As an individual in the field of HR I can tell you that my experience so far as shown that class of degrees are not viable tools to judge a candidate.these days I do not look at degrees, The question is what can you as an individual offer?
Ps: I'm not in support of the senator.

akoko11:
It simply means her cgpa is between 3.00 to 3.99 over 5. Do u understand now?

It occured to me eventually..thanks though.

tensazangetsu20:

Not necessarily, Engineering is a very practical field. Doing well in school doesn't mean you will be very good in the field. It's cause of this same reason shipping companies have stopped taking engine cadets based on grades( I used this as an example cause am a final year marine engineering student and i have seen third class and pass graduates being taken ahead of those with better grades), there are so many other factors they consider, the grades are the least of them. But students should study hard, you will never get into MIT sloan, INSEAD or Harvard business school with subpar grades

You're right, doing well in school is not 100% correlation, and we have data points of individuals who have excelled despite their bad grades. However, doing well in school is a very good indicator that you are suited for what you are doing, and that you understand the theory. There are people who don't test well (meaning they understand better than they can articulate on paper, yet excel at practicals or under stress), and organizations need to be proactive about that.

So, in summary, we're not after outliers, we're after a higher average. And if we have a higher average in our leadership pool, chances are we'll have a better country than what we have at the moment.

nextstep:


They were aristocrats. As children, they were taught at home by the best teachers/governesses of the time. They spent many years studying in their own private libraries, going on excursions to other countries to learn the sciences, politics, philosophy, finances, and languages. Most were very lucky: born into a family of means so one could study without worrying about making a living. Some of them were also brilliant: establishing private laboratories, clinics, libraries, etc. These were the kinds of people who started universities, since you asked.

note that, the first set of engineers did not attend any former education and it applied to every profession. people that created university did not attend any university. philosophy was the creation of university. early civilization focus on talents of a child which could be discover by parents and nurture to become what we have in all field today. that is u can see that school drop out, and what are view are doing very well in life

Ok

Very myopic and shallow thought i must say. O.P haven said she is a 3 pointer means she should be a 2.2 graduate or struggling to make a 2.1.
First, i doubt she understands what the term "experience" means. They exist natural intelligence, and i can bet in whatever course she thinks she is studying, she is mostly learned theoretically,someone with an SSCE will beat her hands down when it comes to practical application of any issue that deals with the everyday experience gained. Going to school and graduating most times is never the true test of knowledge. They just cram everything and GIGO
Secondly, people with such mindset as that of the O.P are the cause of where we find ourselves today, where the certificate speaks more than the "know how"
What a pity. . .

This one is still in school......

nextstep:


You're right, doing well in school is not 100% correlation, and we have data points of individuals who have excelled despite their bad grades. However, doing well in school is a very good indicator that you are suited for what you are doing, and that you understand the theory. There are people who don't test well (meaning they understand better than they can articulate on paper, yet excel at practicals or under stress), and organizations need to be proactive about that.

So, in summary, we're not after outliers, we're after a higher average. And if we have a higher average in our leadership pool, chances are we'll have a better country than what we have at the moment.

I lovve U

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I am a 3 pointer. A grade I am not even comfortable with. WHAT about you?[/quote]

Thought as much you are still in school. The day you enter the cooperate world, come back here then we can talk.

Perhaps you need to be educated on the real correlation between certificate and leadership. [Qquote author=Doriana2 post=55044507]
I am a 3 pointer. A grade I am not even comfortable with. WHAT about you?[/quote]

Kondomatic:
A very dumb question.

Some companies employ "brain" not school cert. Some 3rd class holders have some managerial qualities that many people that graduated with first class do not posses. These are people that move the world not those that put all their hopes on their CV.

I am not promoting dumbness but you should know that there are smart people that ended up with 3rd class due to unforeseen circumstances.

Their cert do not define them

we should get married you know?

We attach so much importance to class of degree that some ppl go to school not to develop their minds but only memorize and put them on exam papers and go home empty. Ppl with 1st Class results are mostly employees of 3rd class and classless graduates and only earn salary. Your ability to process what it takes to succeed in modern society is so abysmal!

sinisters:


And you are working in Microsoft,Google or Facebook I presume...

I used to think like this anyway......life 'll soon happen to some people here,their reality will stamp out their ignorant assumptions..

Nigeria is moving to a position whereby some organisations don't even care about ur certificate as long as you have the skills they want...

The irony is that organisations are caring less about the certificate, because so many - like in the case of the Senator in question - are dubious. What's the point in trusting what the certificate says, if it doesn't really mean anything.

I agree that the certificate is not end all be all. But I still think that the chances of finding good lawyers/accountants/whatever is higher from a pool of those who understand their field of study enough to get 1st class. If you don't understand the theory of what you're doing, can you ever be as good as somebody who does? Of course you can learn in the field, and experience is the best teacher, but given a pool candidates - who are all brilliant in their own way, why handicap your organization with people who have to learn on the job, when you can have people who already understand the job, and can go further?

Leadership is about thinking with the heart, being charismatic and selfless which are not reflected by our grade of decree in school.

nextstep:


Try applying to Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft without a degree, and watch your resume get dropped like a hot potato. It's a nice story, and we even have examples of people succeeding without a degree... still I'd rather have somebody who understands theory to be in charge of practicals


"Hi, I'm your doctor in charge of your surgery today. I studied accounting, 3rd class, but don't worry, I'm not one of those certificate fever people"

Around June last year one Mary o'brain was interviewed and hired by FB blueprint right in the seminar hall organised by fb for analysing issues relating to Analytics in Python programming. And if i should quote prof stephen founder of the world economic summit "a day shall come Wen the world shall shift from capitalism to talentilism" .
And as for your offer , i believe your fellow accountant -turn -surgeons will appreciate it the most!

nextstep:


You're right, doing well in school is not 100% correlation, and we have data points of individuals who have excelled despite their bad grades. However, doing well in school is a very good indicator that you are suited for what you are doing, and that you understand the theory. There are people who don't test well (meaning they understand better than they can articulate on paper, yet excel at practicals or under stress), and organizations need to be proactive about that.

So, in summary, we're not after outliers, we're after a higher average. And if we have a higher average in our leadership pool, chances are we'll have a better country than what we have at the moment.

Honestly, with the Nigerian factor having above average people as leaders will not change anything. After all, in the past we have had Nigerians who were educated in ivy league schools who have taken positions and flopped.

mattmobis:
We attach so much importance to class of degree that some ppl go to school not to develop their minds but only memorize and put them on exam papers and go home empty. Ppl with 1st Class results are mostly employees of 3rd class and classless graduates and only earn salary. Your ability to process what it takes to succeed in modern society is so abysmal!

I understand and agree completely. A 3rd class may be better suited for organizing a company, and the 1st class better suited for execution. In fact it would be a waste to have a brilliant scientist working on administration/CEO when she could be inventing new drugs.

I just pray God gives this op common sense.

od501:


Around June last year one Mary o'brain was interviewed and hired by FB blueprint right in the seminar hall organised by fb for analysing issues relating to Analytics in Python programming. And if i should quote prof stephen founder of the world economic summit "a day shall come Wen the world shall shift from capitalism to talentilism" .
And as for your offer , i believe your fellow accountant -turn -surgeons will appreciate it the most!

I agree... as to the honourable Senator's talent... I'm yet to see the compelling talent he was hired for leadership.

Unfortunately I beg to differ. The greatest scientists never had bsc or PhD,the solution is the IQ, bulk Gates comes to mind.

TonyeBarcanista:
Jacob Zuma's highest qualification is PRY 3

Lula Da Silva, the former Pres. of Brazil highest educational attainment is high School, yet, he made better president and impact in Brazil than his flop of a successor, a Russell with intimidating educational and professional qualification.


Leadership is not a function of academic attainment...

Even the Igbo trader in Aba without formal education could make a better leader than a Professor of Economics.

Obong Attah of Akwa Ibom was a successful architect BUT his impact in the remodelling of Akwa Ibom was awful, unlike his successor Akpabio, who is a lawyer.



Rotimi Amaechi, a THIRD CLASS holder of English Language performed more than his predecessor Peter Odili, a Medical Doctor...


kapish

Take a look at all the examples you just gave? Are you for real? Third world countries ? and yet you wonder why the developed nations belittle we in Africa. It's really bad to say our educational system needs a total revamp and to get a 3rd class and want to be in political office? Omo. Do you even understand what it means to be a political representative?
Take a cue from developed nations.

For me you need to be well educated (2:1 and above), knowledgeable and fit before you should hold office in Nigeria. Just take a look at Dino's reactions after the whole saga.

NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER

Doriana2:
The ambiguities involving Dino Melaye's certificate scandal has overwhelmed Nigeria's news space. The pertinent reality that only few people talk about is: Either a senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria did not graduate from a university or he graduated with an abysmal grade. It is now clear that a major part of Nigeria's  problem is the high number of uneducated and underqualified leaders occupying important political positions. This is unfortunately accompained with a populace that does not seem to care.‎ 
There was a recent thread of a proud third class civil engr Uniben graduate. While we admire the young man's courage to accept his subpar performance in school, we detest the idea that third class graduates should be allowed to occupy sensitive political postions. Nigerians have to realize that: ONLY excellent and qualified employers can make an organization excellent. Political positions should be treated as an important job vacancy and elections should be seen as a serious job interview.  It is because Nigerians don't pay attention to the qualities presented by 'prospective job applicants' and majorly look at tribe, religion or 'Number of Rice Bags shared' that we are in this mess of a country.
Unintelligent people would reply by saying 'Many People with 2nd class and 1st class are not as rich as some with 3rd class? They go on to proffer as an example, a detestable and morally reprehensible creature like Dino Melaye. The obvious answer is 'the ineffectual and unqualified political office holders are the cause of the failed experiment called Nigeria. The high rates of unemployment and wealth inequality are due to exactly leaders of such groups.
‎
Another class of mentally myopic individuals would cite an example like Goodluck Jonathan, who was a PHD holder but was also mediocre as a leader.‎
The not so obvious ‎answer to this comes in the form of a parable: 'Lack of good tomatoes does not mean we should cook stew with sand'. The fact that GEJ was terrible should spur us on to properly screen our leaders (plus political parties) and request for even better qualities. We should not make the mistake again ‎of selecting someone bad just because average did not work out. 
A country of 180 million people demands someone intelligent and capable to run it. Lives and futures are literally at stake. We should not take the posts of the president and senators as a testing ground for failures in school. A successful organization like first bank will not employ a third class graduate as CEO so why should NIGERIANS accept third class graduates (or complete illiterates) as senators?

Useless post . 3rd class is better than Using 20 SANs to defend certificate.
You think you are smarter by those that made third class we know world billionaires that we celebrate even though history has it that they don't have a degree even some are drop outs.

I can bet it that this OP hasn't spent more than 5 years post university, else she wouldn't have written this piece bereft of substance.

The essence of education isn't really the grades, but the reform it brings to your whole personality. Furthermore, there are many more factors that make a man other than a sterling first degree.

People can have lower grades due to psychological, financial and/or health problems, and we have to put these into consideration.

First degree is what it is, FIRST DEGREE! A person with a poor first degree can move on to Masters and phd and do excellently. Should we then throw them into the trash can because of their first degrees?

Lastly, a lot of people write posts on Nairaland with the sole aim of getting likes and making frontpage, which makes them put out wrongly thought out posts.

This OP should be pardoned, though, as it's glaring she is either still a student, or has not spent much time outside the university.

assyn:


Take a look at all the examples you just gave? Are you for real? Third world countries ? and yet you wonder why the developed nations belittle we in Africa. It's really bad to say our educational system needs a total revamp and to get a 3rd class and want to be in political office? Omo. Do you even understand what it means to be a political representative?
Take a cue from developed nations.

For me you need to be well educated (2:1 and above), knowledgeable and fit before you should hold office in Nigeria. Just take a look at Dino's reactions after the whole saga.

This is rubbish... Why isn't Mugabe the best in the world or even Africa? Your educational attainment is not a certificate of leadership competence....


I'm even doing a full article

SalamRushdie:


Your assertions that anybody that finishes with a third class is not mentally sound is very poorly thought out ,there are many reasons apart from intellectual deficit that might make a person finish with a lower degree than others ..In the course of life I have worked with many people that finshed with lower degrees that were actually a lot more proactive and smarter than those that finshed with higher class of degrees which is one of the reasons dropouts and so called third Class people tend to do better in life than those that finish with better degree. They tend to become creators, pathfinders , innovators and game changers while those who finish with higher degrees achieve very little after getting a good job because they are quick to feel entitled that the world owes them alot just because they made higher grades at some school and truly the world owes them nothing but a Job and nothing else .

Going by you premise people like Tony Elumelu, Gani Fawehini, Ulysses Grant , Jack Ma and many other trail blazers who the school system considered dull should have been thrown away and left to waste... Your Certificate is only there for you to compete in the work place and that's why people like Dino are Senators today while their course mates are still grinding it out in one Bank or the other. Examinations have never been a true test of the capacity of any being

A very educative post for the op.... The op sounds like a course mate of mine in undergraduate days, who I seriously pray life doesn't bring close to my path.
Some people seriously believe in 1st class and so on as the test of intelligence.

Doriana2:

Wikipedia is your friend!
Born-Aliko Dangote
10 April 1957 (age 59)
Kano, Kano State, Nigeria
Nationality-Nigerian
Citizenship-Nigerian (1957–present)
Education-Business Studies
Alma mater-Al-Azhar University, Cairo.

Young lady, you are nothing but a compound foooollll! Did Dangote make a first class? You are way too dumb! End of story!

SalamRushdie:
How many times will you be told that Dino has gone on to graduate with a masters degree ..OP I must say you are a very shallow thinker and it's people like you that must be prevented for holding govt office ...

You spoke my mind.

educational attainment doesn't usually balance with political sagacity. To be a good politician, u must be well informed and well acquainted bout the plight of the people you rule.... that is the major issue with African leader, they are too insensitive and greedy.
in the cooperate world however, high academic attainment is quite important, only a few multinational coy is gonna give a low academic achiever a chance to prove him or herself.
mark and Steve job that dropped out didn't employ a team of drop outs, they got the best achievers and they are now thriving and still poaching more high achievers ........politics is way different ...

Doriana2:
The ambiguities involving Dino Melaye's certificate scandal has overwhelmed Nigeria's news space. The pertinent reality that only few people talk about is: Either a senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria did not graduate from a university or he graduated with an abysmal grade. It is now clear that a major part of Nigeria's  problem is the high number of uneducated and underqualified leaders occupying important political positions. This is unfortunately accompained with a populace that does not seem to care.‎ 
There was a recent thread of a proud third class civil engr Uniben graduate. While we admire the young man's courage to accept his subpar performance in school, we detest the idea that third class graduates should be allowed to occupy sensitive political postions. Nigerians have to realize that: ONLY excellent and qualified employers can make an organization excellent. Political positions should be treated as an important job vacancy and elections should be seen as a serious job interview.  It is because Nigerians don't pay attention to the qualities presented by 'prospective job applicants' and majorly look at tribe, religion or 'Number of Rice Bags shared' that we are in this mess of a country.
Unintelligent people would reply by saying 'Many People with 2nd class and 1st class are not as rich as some with 3rd class? They go on to proffer as an example, a detestable and morally reprehensible creature like Dino Melaye. The obvious answer is 'the ineffectual and unqualified political office holders are the cause of the failed experiment called Nigeria. The high rates of unemployment and wealth inequality are due to exactly leaders of such groups.
‎
Another class of mentally myopic individuals would cite an example like Goodluck Jonathan, who was a PHD holder but was also mediocre as a leader.‎
The not so obvious ‎answer to this comes in the form of a parable: 'Lack of good tomatoes does not mean we should cook stew with sand'. The fact that GEJ was terrible should spur us on to properly screen our leaders (plus political parties) and request for even better qualities. We should not make the mistake again ‎of selecting someone bad just because average did not work out. 
A country of 180 million people demands someone intelligent and capable to run it. Lives and futures are literally at stake. We should not take the posts of the president and senators as a testing ground for failures in school. A successful organization like first bank will not employ a third class graduate as CEO so why should NIGERIANS accept third class graduates (or complete illiterates) as senators?

This doesn't make sense...

obasiken:


Its obvious you are a fresh graduate. In 10yrs time, you will realise that your grade in the university is the least of your worries. That's if you dont end up in a kitchen.

No bro you didn't go there. That's unfair.