₦airaland Forum

bawomolo:
prayer doesn't work.

positive attitude and optimistic thinking is what works.

We shld assume then that most nigerians have a negative attitude and pessimistic thinking. I wonder how many people have been healed because of positive thinking.

stillwater:
@debosky, Are you a womanizer ?

u're asking?

bawomolo:
i see some people can't handle the heat.

which "heat"? Rather many can no longer stand ur prevarications, deliberate misrepresentation and unsubstantiated twaddle.

therationa:
In fact, I believe that the truly committed christians are some of the best, kind people in the world. I am married to one and I will trust a truly committed christian with my life.

aaah now i see why mr. therationa is so gungho about christianity . . . i think my brother is truly searching for God but going about it the wrong way.

I suppose if u would truly be sincere in the questions you ask and commit to one thread where ur issues can be dealth with u'll leave here a more satisfied man.

What d'ya say therationa? Do we have a truce?

tough one. Many Nigerian mothers frown at marrying a woman with kids. Infact my mom told me straight to my face that she would not welcome one . . . and this from a woman who i suppose is even more liberal than most.

detruth:
Either them cry or weep, the Church dey march on!

the question is WHAT DIRECTION is the church marching on to?

detruth:
Uhhhh the thing just dey pepper some people belle

really? Of what use is a world record church in a land full of poverty and hopelessness? At least i'm glad i dont live there, you can keep ur guiness book of records.

therationa:
4HIM,

How long do you think it takes to convert organic matter in fossil fuels, like the petrol you use in your car? Try and correlate that with how long you think the earth has been around.

again that time is subject to speculation. No one can categorically tell us exactly how long it takes to convert organinc matter to fossil fuels. It could be 1m yrs which makes nonsense of Francis Collins estimate of 100 - 120k yrs.

Again are we assuming that homo sapiens were on earth about the same time as the dinosaurs?

ono:
Excellent networking opportunities with Nigerian politicians, oil magnates, and foreign businessmen.

Nigerian politicians - a phrase that describes a group of recently discovered jobless parasites whose only means of livelihood is the government treasury. See also[i] Ahmadu Ali. [/i]

Oil magnates -  A foreign word that refers to unqualified men illegally rewarded with oil wells as a source of political patronage.

Networking - a term that refers to participation in the looting of the nation.

therationa:
4HIM,

They used the science and technologies of the day, as simple as that. Did they do it using theistic engineering?

this is not an argument for or against theistic engineering but rather that man has always been intelligent!
Where they or where they not intelligent enough to use their technology to build the pyramids?

therationa:
Francis Collins was the director of the Genome Project (have you ever heard of such a thing). GO READ his work, for goodness sake. You may learn a thing or two.

and that automatically confers an ability to know how long man has been on earth?
I ask again . . . HOW did she/he come by the dates 100 - 120k yrs of homo sapiens existence on earth?
Where is the DNA evidence? We know DNA does not last that long so how did they know?

Being the director of the genome project does not make her any smarter than the guy next door.

and while we are it pls grab a copy of the bible you have spent ur precious time mocking before telling us to go read one more of ur godless books that have no bearing with common sense.

Men built the great pyramids . . . till tomorrow our scientists are still baffled as to how they were able to do so without present technology.

ono, that one no dey dictionary yet . . .

therationa:
4HIM,

Let's assume you or any of your family fell ill (say with some genetic condition) and they went to hospital, would you prefer that the doctors be experts in biology (DNA, genetics etc) or would you rather they were experts in the bible?

stuff and nonsense. My mom is a peadiatrician yet she remains a very strong christian.
No one is advocating kicking out common sense and science in favour of the bible only.

By the way, of what purpose is this analogy? What question did it answer?

therationa:
PS. I don't't know where I get the patience to come down so low. This smacks of debating with a 10 year old.

frankly i'm asking myself the same question. You just copy and paste from fellow godless souls like you, you have no oppinion of yours.
Each time i subject any of ur fond quotes from other authors to the same scrutiny that you subject the bible i find you sadly wanting.

You love Francis Collins . . . pls prove to us how he/she knew without a doubt that the 10,000 yr existence of man as u deduced from the bible is wrong and his/her idea of 100,000yrs is the correct one.

What DNA analysis did he/she use? One that was 100,000yrs old?

therationa:
4HIM,

If you were really interested you would go read these books. Do I NEED to tell you that? Apparently looks like I need to.

If you were really interested you would go read the bible. Do I NEED to tell you that? Apparently looks like I need to.

therationa:
4HIM,

Does the other thread have my beautifully-crafted essay, and my five incisive questions ?

I only see the same nebulous writings devoid of logic, merely rephrased to look like its different.

Gamine:
@4Him

one word for you and your nebulous drivel!
"He who thinks highly of himself
Should stop and mend his ways, lest he falls into a very wide pit!"

you just had to plagiarise the phrase i use eh? 
I understand.

I don't think highly of myself at all . . . i'm simply making a point . . . some "debates" can be solved if only we opened the pages of the bible . . . many bibles are free so we have no excuse.
Besides, what is taught in churches today if the flock have no idea that the God they serve can be touched by the feeling of their infirmities?

therationa:
4HIM,

I get the sense that you have learnt to read and write without being EDUCATED or SCHOLARLY. When I make reference to my source (viz, Francis Collins & Ken Miller) you seem to brush these aside as though these sources are bogus. What sort of attitude is that? It smack of the eclesiatically book-burning of yore.

Shall I deal with the cosmological arguments for an old earth? Can you find sources on the internet dealing with such materials? That is an exercise for you, boy.

you on the other hand seem to equate "scholarly" education with simply quoting from any godless soul. I simply asked you questions that i expected an "educated" person to tackle . . . how does Francis Collins prove to us that homo sapiens had been walking the earth for 100,000 yrs?
How does he know when we appeared on earth? Through the inconclusive evidence of carbon dating?

janami:
The tongue has power over life and death. prov 18:21.

Do you understand the context that statement was made? It is made in the same context as the power of the tongue is discussed in James 3.

Simply put . . . that verse is saying that you beware of the way you use your tongue . . . with the same tongue that you can bless someone you can also use it to destroy a soul.

No where is it implying that you have the right or power to use your tongue to curse others. The bible is explicit . . . Luke 6: 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

A go_aT,

now we know that men are all over you . . . i'd suggest you choose none since you are still confused on whom to choose.

Gamine:
Anyways this is meant to be a debate

There is a side that dosnt believe God has feelings
and one that does

i dont see any debate here, rather i see ignorance. Read your bible well and you will find the answers you seek, infact such "debates" as these would not come up if only we took the pains to open that bible gathering dust on our shelves.
Soon someone will be here to ask us if Christ ate.

therationa:
No sooner had they founded the country on Christian principles than they started the christian thing and enslave many millions of Africans and Native Americans.

If slavery was not condoned in the bible I wonder where they could have got the moral gusto to run this cruel enterprise.

Iran is a m_uslim state . . . there are armed robbers and murderers there . . . does that mean that robbery and murder are condoned by the koran?

this is a duplication of an existing thread.

what do they teach in church these days? Just tithes and offerings?

bawomolo:
why are u guys struggling to explain the significance of Old testament text??

we are not struggling to explain anything . . . its hard to keep up with the rate at which u godless souls open up threads each time you are exposed for being nothing but plagiarists on another.

therationa:
What I would have expected in both genealogies from David to Jesus was the same number of generations, there abouts. Let's allow for a margin of error of 2 or 3 generations, amounting to about 39-45 years, on the calculation the first children were born to 13-15year old mothers.

Now, but the generational gap is 15, a staggering 195 - 225 years.

that is based on ur own calculation that everyone gets married and has children about the same age which is simply false.

therationa:
Why don't you go and perform a small experiment. Take a sample of say 10 people of similar age to yourself and your partner. For each of these people, go back 10 generation in their family tree. You will notice that the 10th generation grand-parents will have been born within the same decade or two from one-another.

I did the same. My maternal grandmother is just about in her 70s . . . however my paternal grandfather died 26 yrs ago and he was well into his late 80s. That is a gap of about 30yrs. My parents are only 3yrs apart in age.

Now we know that women were married and had children a lot younger than is applicable in our age. We also know that men in the bible lived and had children even at 600yrs of age . . . If a man at 100yrs had a child . . . then remarried at 600 to have another child . . . that is a gap of 500yrs between 2 children of the same father . . .

therationa:
To have a generational gap of hundreds of years is simply unheard-of.

bogus. Methuselah lived for over 900yrs and he was still having kids.

therationa:
Now, Luke's genealogy is even more problematic given that he extends it to the apparent start of humanity in the garden of Eden. On his calculation, humans have been on earth no more than 10000years. This is simply BOGUS.

Humans (Homo sapients) have walked the earth circa 120K - 200K years. Why don't you read Dr. Francis Collins "The Language of God" or Kenneth Miller's "Finding Darwin's God".

That is dependent on if Francis Collins can prove to us exactly when homo sapiens appeared on earth.

therationa:
Pardon me please, any arguments contravening the genetic/DNA analysis is simply argument from ignorance. Unless you come up with well attested scientifically verified alternatives.

that is assuming that DNA analysis is foolproof which we know it is not.

@ therationa,

I think you are mistaken yet again. Some of these books have attracted a huge following not least in the USA.

Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" was in the New York Times bestsellers list for more than 52 weeks - a major record for any book. It was No 1 for many weeks as well.

That a book "attracts a huge following" is not a sign that it has anything truthful to say. Several works of fiction have attracted a huge following too, they have been bestsellers and even gone on to become major motion films . . . does that mean they are anything but fiction?

May i remind you that the same NY bestsellers list regards the bible as the bestselling book of all time.

Let me also remind you that the "huge following" ur godless books attract is down to desperate people like you who will graps at just about any straw to justify their stance. These are people who are confused and constantly need to assuage their seared consciences that they are on the right path.
They are the ones who have no rational oppinion of their own but need to rely on Dawkins for proof that God does not exist.

The "protocols of the elders of zion" has attracted a huge following in m.uslim countries . . . does that make the book true?

morenike09:
EWWWWWW. . .David, you are cheesy!!

i like a good song when i hear one.

mohawkchic:
~Ave got a lot of Admiration for Single Dads,i wish there were more of You,it would make such a huge difference!!

i'd wish for more happy families not broken homes if i were you.

All the same tbara, the fact that you've chosen to shoulder the responsibility of ur daughter is highly commendable.

Yeah call me cheesy but i have no idea why i love this song.
Mel C's voice on the bridge is just excellent

Spice Girls - Headlines (Friendship Never Ends)

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bawomolo:
they founded the country with God in mind not with christianity in mind. this is a secular country and not a religious one.

they founded the country with Jesus Christ in their hearts (not just God my brother), the bible as their guide and with christianity as their way of life. They were wise enough to set the country on the foundation of secularism . . . but with the intention that God would remain a part of the lives of those who wished to keep Him.

That is why till next yr, no matter how souls like you writhe in disgust, IN GOD WE TRUST will remain the symbol of America.

Boyz II men: I will get there

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Morenike09, thanks dear!

answer me joo.