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TayserMahiri:Lol, I didn't even notice the little details. I don't expect them to be wearing their traditional garb. Nigerians usually do 2 weddings, the traditional one and the Western one. Is this true for Kenya as well? I'm sure Kenya has old pre-western Marriage rites. Edo region is a historical region containing dozens of Edoid speaking groups mainly in Edo state and adjacent areas. The main ethnic groups are Edo, Esan, Etsako, Urhobo, Isoko, Afenmai(numerous groups), etc. The Edo were the founder of the Benin empire from the 12th century to 1897 when it was destroyed by the British. Some artworks from the Benin empire (Ivory and bronze works)
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Hati13:Looks good I think I will like Doro Wet a lot. What kind of meat is used for Shekla tibs? Also I've only had raw fish though and it was good. I've never really tried raw meat, so I don't know how kitfo would be like for me. |
Nowenuse:Shuwa is used more in Nigeria more. In Niger, they are called Diffa Arabs. Baggara is a more general term. |
Hati13:Yes, I've heard about the rock-hewn churches of Lalibela. They are impressive. BTW what kind of wot/tibs do you recommend? |
TayserMahiri:I was impressed especially by the quality of the animal depiction. It shows that thousands of years ago the Sahara wasn't as dry. Check out this Kenyan-Nigerian wedding I found BTW the Nigerian culture shown here is from the Edo region/people groups. The natural Kenyan setting is also very beautiful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-wlkyFVTk |
Hati13:Ok! I must try that injera have heard so much about lol. |
Nowenuse:*sigh* You obviously didn't see the "Baggara" I included in my list. Maybe you didn't know, but Shuwa is seen as derogatory by them, the correct/Preferred term is "Baggara." *sigh* Also, FYI your last picture is of a Woddabe Fulani clan from Niger. |
Hati13:āmeseginalehu! They are not Berber Have you ever heard of the Green Sahara? The Fulani are Pastoral Nomadic. I believe the Fulani had an extensive territory thousands of years ago where they could herd their livestock. Nowadays, they are reduced to the Sahel due to dessertification/expansion of the Sahara. If you go to the Sahara, particularly near the Hoggar Mountains, you would find a UNESCO world heritage site callled Tassili n'Ajjer. The earliest pieces of the 15,000 or so rock paintings are thought to be around 12,000 years old. Some people say these paintings show some proto-Fulani traditions. One thing I like about West Africa is the history and linguistic/ethnic diversity. In one town, it's not impossible for each neighborhood to be speaking a different language from another. Deep history and multiculturalism is a part of the narrative.
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Hati13:Hey, sorry for the late response. No, there are no Cushitic people in West Africa. Yes, there are Semitic people in West Africa like Saharawi/Bidan, Haratin, and Baggara. No, Fulani are not Semite, a lot just have the "Semitic" look. Fulani also don't speak a Nilo-Saharan language. They actually speak a Niger-Congo language. There are millions of Nilo-Saharan people in West Africa like Kanuri, Songhai, Zarma etc. There are 3 branches of Afroasiatic languages spoken in West Africa. Chadic Berber Semitic @Muafrika2 |
vaxx:yes, I know. As for "develop"...let me just leave it like that. |
vaxx:Ok. There were people living in Liberia before the arrival of America. |
TayserMahiri:It depends on the definition of "colonize." It was kind off colonized by freed slaves from America, so yes technically "colonized." I'm not sure about now, but the political class of Liberia was once dominated by the freed slaves and their descendants. |
vaxx:What virgin lands? Yes, many Liberians speak a distinct English language instead of their native language. |
atims73:No, it's a monitor lizard Iguanas are native to the Americas and alligators are found in the Americas and China. Monitor Lizard can be found in Africa. |
TayserMahiri:Not necessarily. Liberians are not former slaves, except for the small minority of 150,000-200,000 descendants of former slaves repatriated from America which are less than 5% of the population of Liberia. The largest ethnic groups in Liberia are Kpelle, Bassa, and Kru. |
Olu317:Nahhhh Keep that to yourself lol. |
TayserMahiri:Yes Berbers are interesting. Most Berbers practice a very liberal form of islam incorporating a lot of traditional elements. They are the link between West Africa and North Africa and have a lot of similarities between other African groups like Fulani. Some Berbers are Nomadic like the Tuaregs who live in the Sahara desert and make stops between settlements in West and North Africa, they were more active during the Azalai caravan/Trans-Saharan trade route. Others are agriculturists who live in villages and cities like the Central Atlas Amazighs. Most dating for the start of Kanem is between 300 AD-700 AD. Researchers say the country of Agisymba mentioned by Ptolemy between 107-105 AD on accounts of a trader who traveled to the region in 90AD is likely a reference to Kanem. The Bornu empire founded by the Kanembu people replaced Kanem in the 1384. |
TayserMahiri:You have to understand that the European line boarders between what is North and West Africa did not split between "Black" and "Non-black." It's just a political boarder. In the South of Libya, you have the Toubou(Tubu) people who are "black" and speak Nilo-Saharn languages of Teda and Daza and are also found in Chad and Niger etc. They are credited with founding one of the earliest African empire, the Kanem empire which stretched from Southern Libya to Northeastern Nigeria. Yes, they are a minority while those who identify as "Arab" are the majority, although you have significant "Berber" or Amazigh population. Are the Berbers black? Some are "black", others have varying skin tones. Berbers are very diverse. Some with more Southern European admixture from the Andalusia era of Spain and the Roman empire are much lighter in complexion. Some with "black" admixture have darker skin color. Some with little admixture have "brownish/olive" skin color. |
Hati13:There is no such thing as Yoruba Judaism. Yoruba have their own traditional beliefs which were incorporated as part of Yoruba culture until contact with foreign religions like Islam or Christianity. |
Olu317:You are overthinking everything. It's coincidence and that's all. Jewish are Middle Eastern. Yoruba are West Africans. |
Odingo1:Only bought bullet proof vehicles? Only? Then you wouldn't mind explaining the billions of naira she also embezzled while Minister of Aviation. Sea port or no sea port, she had a very important task. She was tasked with rehabilitating 22 airports across the country. You know what that could have done for Nigeria? Instead, as low as 15% or even 0% of the projects were completed after spending loads of money. 20%-50% was cut from the money that was supposed to be allocated for contractors. The dilapidated pothole covered Enugu airport was not fixed. Loads of money was spent on MM int. airport but only a paint job could be shown for it, meanwhile toilets in the airport don't work properly and the airport is hotter than inside of a bakery. |
Olu317:It's called coincidence, nothing out of the ordinary. Have you for once forgot your research to the extent that, it was only in ancient Yoruba that had glass beads production which were not in existence in any part of Sub Saharan Africa? Why is it only in YORUBA do SOLOMON'S KNOT ARE ONLY USED BY KINGS LINEAGE AND CHIEFS?Ok, cool. It was an independent evolution, that's all. WHY DO YOU FIND “UDUA" FOUND IN JUDUA AND O'ODUA(ODUDUDTell me, where did olofin Adimula and his people came from?Oduduwa has nothing to do with Judah. ODU TO DA UWA. Judah actually comes from Yehuda meaning praised which has no relationship to oduduwa. DNA isn't about self glorifying but hitting at the ancestors connection and unraveling link with the part whom share family links. Oromo and tigray aren't the only people Yoruba had link with Even there is a particular Kenya Bantu that Yoruba shares with.Yoruba people are from Africa so why won't there be shared DNA with other Africans. It's nothinjg shocking nor special. Don't get worked up. Just do the RESEARCH AND COME COUNTER MY FINDINGS or you respect my findings.The moment you pull up Arnold Josiah Ford was the moment I started to doubt the credibility of your findings. Perhaps, you think I just jumped into this because of self pride, I guess, you are wrong as F9 if that was your thought.Nahh, not at all. Every man has a purpose on earth, and I am destined to speak up and write accordingly to the dictate of ELEDUMARE on my people. It is an insult though to infer that I shouldn't use the word Yoruba. Are you more YORUBA THAN I AM? You need be engrossed in bitterness because of what you think it look untrue but IT IS THE TRUTH.Nahh, I just hate the attachment of Yoruba to Hebrew or any psuedo science origin claim. Somebody who is proud of their lineage does not need justification nor attachment. Why is it that YORUBA GOD (ELEDUMARE) have the same features with HEBREWS? Where did Yoruba learn the tradition of using lamb, ram, heifer, birds, etc as sacrifice and atonement of sins? Why do Yoruba of old do redemption for women after menstruation? Similar to people of Middle East. Egypt worship Ram in the ancient times. How come Yoruba having same naming period and circumcisions with Hebrews? How come Yoruba God is ageless and referred to Ancient of days?You know there are correlations between different ethnic groups, but those correlations does not necessarily mean relationship. This same correlation is why some Igbo people think they are Hebrew. I mentioned the manner at which Eledumare brought forth word through “EL—A ROO–WAA. Have you knowledge who the Hebrew referred to EL? All these are coincidence, right? I want to do research before being emotional on issue. Perhaps, when you do your own DNA, you may be thinking of doing more personal research. CheersEl just means God in Hebrew. "Ele" in Yoruba is used as possession. |
Olu317:Why Oromo and not other Cushitic groups? Why Tigray specifically and not Amhara or other Semitic speaking people of the Horn when in fact all of them descended from the same line? Ethiopia is the origin of humans so the ancestors that likely form the Yoruba people as well as all humans from Asia to Europe to Americas etc came from Ethiopia. Ancestors of Yoruba were never the exception. Notice my usage of ancestors and not Yoruba people in particular. Most of the culture of Yoruba likely developed in West Africa. This is why you can see parallels across Africa. Now, Many part of Yoruba history has some contradictory aspects because of the creation myth being the place where the world begun. However, there are certain characteristics seen amongst Yoruba that made researchers of western world to acknowledge the Judaism in part of Yoruba history. Take for instance, the claim of DIVINE KINGS in Yoruba beliefs. In Yoruba land, the over all Chief PRIEST of YORUBA WORLD IS CALLED “ARABA" (RABBI is a Hebrew word for priest ). The first word created in Yoruba account of how the world was created by EL-EDUMARE (EL) was ELA(word) .The Bible record this in the beginning of Gen1:2(God spoke/Word).Yes, if you take Yoruba origin myths literally, then you may come across contradictions. A lot of Yoruba culture is figurative or symbolic in meaning. Also what researchers? You mean the very minuscule outcasts who call themselves researchers and don't follow the Scientific method, but rather rely on pseudo theories and insignificant evidence to point out some obscured links. One of such ridiculous claim is the word araba having some link to Hebrew. Hebrew is a Semitic language that relies on root words and their alteration.Yoruba is heavily influenced by tone, so there is no direct link. Rabbi comes from, the root R-B-B meaning master with the literary translation of the "great one" which is different from the denotation of Yoruba araba. Yoruba doesn't use the root system for words and Hebrew doesn't rely on tone, that alone should be enough evidence to disproof a link. Yoruba is closer to other Sub-saharan languages than Hebrew. The first Colour RABBI IN THE US was A Yoruba man. ARNOLD JOSIAH FORD. IT WILL shock you that he was the one that anointed Ras Tefari. Do you know the ancient Hebrews aren't different from Egyptians in complexion? Their religion was the difference between them. However, I don't want to go into it. Yoruba have FIVE Jewish DNA traces NAMELY; SAMARITAN, SEPHARDIC, JEWISH TURKEY, COCHIN JEWISH AND BNEI MENASHE JEWISH.I see you have surrounded yourself with "The Black Hebrew Israelite" or whatever they call themselves. These are the people who are trying so hard to rewrite the history of Africa. Also does Arnold Josiah Ford sound Yoruba to you? He is from the Caribbean, specifically Barbados. He is simply not Yoruba. Why are so many Africans/descendants trying so hard to attach themselves to other people even having the audacity to claim that certain people are fake and they are the "real" whatever. Is that not pure inferiority complex? Must you become people from the Bible/Torah/Koran to feel accomplished or special? "Yoruba have Five Jewish DNA Traces?" Are my eyes seeing right? Just say it already...1...2...3...YORUBA ARE JEWS! Like dude if you believe you are Jewish or whatever, it's fine. You can go with that identity, but do not and I repeat do not attach it to the name "Yoruba." TRUTHFULLY,I don't share in the belief of supremacy of ethnicity. In fact the Hebrews have suffered more in life, simply because of their disobedience to God. Based on the typical nature of Yoruba, I wouldn't want to be boastful of something like that but to acknowledge it. Despite the fact that few elements amongst Yoruba people believed that Yoruba originated from West Africa. However everything our forefathers left down for us to use as a link to our past point out that WE AREN'T FROM SUBSAHARA AFRICA. TAKE FOR INSTANCE , AROUND 10TH—11TH CENTURY, WE WERE THE ONLY ONE WITH GLASS BEADS PRODUCTION WHICH WERE ALIEN TO OTHER PEOPLE.This part makes sense! ![]() |
JiggamanGh:Nigeria contributes 73.7% of funds to Ecowas. Between 2003 and 2011, it contributed $918.7 million. |
bigfrancis21:What is this? Oga is a standalone word just like many words in Yoruba. They don't even have the same intonation. Why would oga come from organizer? Why wouldn't it come directly from master or boss, but organizer of all terms? Does that even make sense? |
Of course Okun people are Yoruba and part of the Yoruba nation regardless of the political divide. Proud Okun people!! |
leathalbeast:Not excusing his action |
fanficgirl:More about Souza http://www.analuciaaraujo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Araujo-Crossing.pdf Kingdom of Dahomey https://books.google.com/books?id=hF_xjFL6_NEC&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=king+gezo+of+dahomey&source=bl&ots=GXUOP5c6aK&sig=kvzQX2AZ69-wJgFBuVoEOXWrVM0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZr_3XkPrTAhWnqFQKHbZ6CD44ChDoAQhJMAg#v=onepage&q=king%20gezo%20of%20dahomey&f=false Ghezo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghezo |
vaxx:It has to do with perception of light skin. This exists everywhere in Africa, even in North Africa. I heard the mixed race business inin Ghana was growing. I first encountered this like 3 years ago. Some Ghanians are paying top dollars to adopt mixed race babies because they believe they are more likely to be successful. https://www.ghanacelebrities.com/2014/01/26/mixed-race-baby-business-booming-ghana-couples-paying-3000-half-caste-kids/ Believe it or not Nigeria has a fair number of people with light skin tones. Sure, a lot of the Fulanis are light skin from Northern Nigeria but I'm not even talking about them. A lot of Nigerians are naturally light skin especially from the South with higher concentrations in Cross river and Akwa Ibom. Although rare, some non-mixed Nigerians (100% African) have lightly colored eyes. I know it sounds unbelievable but there are some, although quite rare with hazel and green eyes. Nigeria is very genetically diverse. It has the highest twinning rate in the entire world for example. Scientists have found the rate of R1b gene at high frequencies among Chadic people of Nigeria and Northern Cameroon as well as in Western Europe. The Hausa in particular and other Chadic groups like Marghi share this genetic trait. Anyways this genetic trait isn't solely skin color based because the Hausa are mostly dark-skinned. I used this example to show the genetic diversity in Nigeria. There are also a large chunk of Nigerians with dark or medium dark skin tones. The 70%/77% is an obvious overestimation. if that was true, almost every Nigerian would be light skin. Also most Nigerians who actually bleach don't usually share it. Why? Because it's not the norm, you get shunned very easily. A lot of the western media/organizations like to peddle that 51% of Nigerians live in rural areas, yet at the same time say 77% of Nigerian women bleach. In the North, many people are very conservative that they cover their heads, why would they bleach when the consequences would be high? Also, one last thing. The WHO report cited the survey back in 2013 and ever since a number of online articles have published the articles. It was the UN Environmental Programme (UNEP) which actually conducted the non-factual survey, and the document was later taken down and removed by the organization. The damage is already done anyways. |
fanficgirl:I can see you are really interested in this topic. Yes, Dahomey was freed by a European Brazilian. He was the descendant of a Portuguese colonial governor in Brazil before he migrated to Dahomey. You have to realize that when someone is named "the greatest slave trader," that title alone means something. Souza was very wealthy as a slave dealer and oddly enough he very influential in the society and had a lot of local support. He also had a lot of African "wives" and 80 children or more. Even more odd he was a Catholic but also a practitioner of Togo/Benin vodun religion. The reason why Souza was jailed because he asked for the money he lend to the king. Ghezo did not free Souza. Souza escaped from prison and exiled himself. Remember he was still rich. Anyways, in exile, he sent money and gifts to Ghezo, the king's brother. Why? So that he could use the money to gain support on the ground for the coup they were plotting. You can't just come in and claim the throne from someone else without the public backings. So, it was more like a deal. Ghezo gets to ascend his brother's throne, and Souza gets to return home. That basically sums up the friendship. Under Ghezo, Souza received a chieftain title. Dahomey was launching rebellious raids in Oyo's territory. Remember, Dahomey had to pay tributes to Oyo and Oyo was also controlling much of their affairs including military and economic related affairs. For some years, Ghezo refused to pay tributes to Oyo as a sign of defiance. Souza was asked to negotiate peace with Oyo and talks failed. Oyo was growing out of patience and Dahomey fought numerous times with Oyo. This point in time is known as the fall of Oyo. Oyo was weakened due to the Sokoto Jihad from the North it had to defend itself from and the rebellions brewing in its numerous states. In a final battle, Ghezo with the help of Souza secured a victory and independence from Oyo. |
Nowenuse:Nahhh, that title goes to Ethiopia and besides modern humans(homon sapiens) have been around for longer than that. The first mummification in Africa was before Ancient Egypt in Libya known as the "black mummy of the green Sahara." Humans have also been living in Nigeria and West Africa thousands of years before the dafuna canoe was built. |
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cos we always assume Ancient Egypt as the cradle of African origins.