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WhizdomXX:
In the midst of this ASUU Strike, so insensitive. They're indirectly telling students to leave the Federal Universities and go to the private schools. This is from what I infer.

Nevertheless a Sports university coming to Delta State is a nice way to go. Kudos to Uncle Ned.

That would have been a good thing (if not for the fees)…
Perhaps when ASUU realizes they’re not the only game in town maybe they would sit up.

The whole collective bargaining Communist mentality is BS….
There’s no reason for lecturer in Kaura Namoda to earn as much as lecturers in Lagos or Abuja or PH.

Meanwhile, just as Nigerian rulers/public officials think government exists to support them…
Nigerian lecturers are more fixated on their own pockets while student facilities are SHOCKINGLY POOR!
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mrvitalis:
Technicians not engineers for heavens sake

Repair , maintaining and installation are not jobs of engineers but technicians

Sadly, the typical Nigerian mindset…SMH

Here in the US (and many parts of the world), engineers often wear overalls and get their hands dirty…
In Nigeria, they mostly wear suit and tie, sit in an office, reading newspapers and demanding “Engr” before their names.
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naptu2:
Martin Okorowu �� �� @mr_okokobioko
https://twitter.com/toluogunlesi/status/1510617748522610689

I suppose it’s the thought that counts…
But I want to believe that Imo State can do better than these buildings that look like a Desmond Elliot public toilet. Darn!!
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redcliff:
If nigeria was working properly, the whole of it should be like Abuja and Abuja being the capital should be like Dubai

That Nigeria is not “working properly” is because of NIGERIANS, and not just the government.
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Madam Kidjo keeps kicking Naija ass…
First, it was Oluwa Burna and now Big Wiz!
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achorladey:
Now you are coming to terms with what I am trying to state here. Some Footballers go into Football Academy at an early age and still don't get called professional even after spending 15 years training and learning football everyday.

And you know what they are called wrt professional football?! Failures!
Nonetheless, I bet that almost all of them would be basically competent in football.
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reservd:
No one goes to a university or polytechnic to study how to speak good English and no reasonable lecturer should fail a student for grammatical errors as long as he/she understands the message the student is passing. It's a foundation problem ie it started from nursery/primary and it wasn't tackled/corrected in their secondary school hence the bad English some graduates speak. The worst of it is that they don't even know they are expressing themselves incorrectly

I may be reading the OP wrong…
But a “university graduate” in Nigeria implies English language learning of 10-15 years (including nursery, primary and secondary).

Meanwhile, in a subject like Law, the difference between “may” and “shall” could be several years in prison…
So, a reasonable law lecturer should absolutely fail a student for such “grammatical errors” that have a substantive effect.
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aribisala0:
It does have to do with inferiority complex even in our vocabulary there is a strong tendency to "English Shame" people for solecisms
We do need to question where all of this is leading. It is obvious to any thinking being that it is leading to THE DEATH OF OUR OWN LANGUAGES.
So should we accept that as an inevitability or take action

Well looking around the world in Wales(United Kingdom) , Tanzania, India and New Zealand(Maori) we can see that action can be taken and crucially that IT WORKS.

Say NO TO ENGLISH

Do not speak English to your children

You keep missing the point….

Wouldn’t be interested in this discourse if it was merely one of cultural pride, because I am extremely proud of mine…
The discourse though is why would graduates who study in a language for 15 years struggle with basic competency in it.

Are the textbooks and academic literature they used from kindergarten to uni written and taught in their local languages?
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achorladey:
Competency Abi Na proficiency get level or grade.

Almost EVERYTHING “get level or grade” - health, height, education, skill, farming, marriage, eating, driving, swimming, etc…
Doesn’t detract that after studying, studying in, and/or daily practicing a language for 15 years, competence is a rational expectation.
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Luu40:
I think its about our education.
We're more likely to be fluent in the language when our educators are also fluent.
We can improve our use of the language by reading alot.

Bottom line: we cam right many wrongs of the past by simply accepting our weakness, and trying to improve.

KPOM! On all points…
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Kingsley1000:
Don't mind him.
How I wish I can unlearn my English and substitute it with French, Chinese or German.
Most Nigerisns suffer from inferiority complex.
Most non Uk immigrants that have stayed more than 8yrs in England are still struggling with the Language

First, it’s irrelevant to the OP’s point….
Nonetheless, it’s different learning ANY language as an adult rather than as a kid.

Furthermore, it’s nothing to with “inferiority complex” (many of us proudly speak our native languages abroad)…
However, as our textbooks, academic literature and instruction is in English, basic proficiency in the language is IMPORTANT.
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achorladey:
Good, the reason English proficiency get grades, sometimes from beginner, intermediate, very good up to expert.

aribisala0:
Even higher than expert is "Master" at which point you can make your own rules or even your own words as Chaucer did. That is a privilege for English folk so we should mind our business and pursue proficiency in our own languages .I do not see any expert speakers of Yoruba from England so I see no reason to become an expert user

"Hello, You I like , we go my house , we sleep, Good? " is all I need as I once learnt from a room mate who brought home a deaf and mute woman home one night and they were able to communicate

Proficiency simply means competence…
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Juoflife1:
Doctors are busy saving life's. Engineers are thinking and finding solutions to problems. Nigerians in nairaland are bothered about speaking English. We have over 150 countries in the world, how many speak English? It took a non English speaking person to teach me how to correctly pronounce my "core" English surname, going by the alphabets.
If I have my way, I will unlearn the English language. It's an overrated piece of junk.

Obviously, not those “engineers” building collapsing buildings all over Nigeria…

Until medical and engineering books are written and taught in our indigenous languages…
Basic proficiency in English, the language of learning and instruction in Nigeria, is a RELEVANT consideration.
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rayval:
Are you asking about arrogant people or people who can’t speak English?

Education is not for learning to speak English.

Some can speak and have no Education and no sense

Some are 50x smarter than you. But can’t speak English like you expect.

It is funny how people see speaking English as intelligence. (in Nigeria)

If you don’t understand, go out of Nigeria and visit diverse companies.. speak it the way you know it.. Just know your onions

That’s not the OP’s point or question…
Rather, it’s essentially why Nigerian graduates who’s supposedly studied in English for a minimum of 12-15 years struggle with it.

Obviously, English proficiency is NOT intelligence…
Even education is NOT intelligence, but merely LEARNING.

Nonetheless, until we write academic books in our own 400-plus indigenous languages…
Proficiency in the language of instruction and learning in Nigeria is still a RELEVANT consideration.
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achorladey:
Read again and see the contradictions.

There are NO contradictions…
We know the WHY, and should be redressing it instead of making excuses.
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Investorgee:
Same thing that makes them not be able to speak good English is the same thing that makes English people not be able to speak their mother language.

Let’s quit making excuses for MEDIOCRITY…
English people do not study in your own mother language for a MINIMUM of 10-15 years. Those who do, often nail it.
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Arkmanbuddy:
What is the evidence that the average Chinese working for CCECC in Nigeria is educated, even when they can't speak a word in English?

Can you day the average French man/woman who only speaks French is uneducated because they can't speak English?

Na wa for you o!

iamdapsyj:
This is a misconception bro.....I could recall about 7 years ago I had an argument with a friend who had the same line of thought as you regarding this English speaking matter.

Intelligence is way different from English speaking. Chinese, Germans, French and some of the wealthy nations speak bad English but they are doing well in their various field of endeavour.

The only point that you can outline here is that, since Nigerian students are been taught in English, they should try as much as possible to master the craft of speaking it. But that is different from what you posted up there.

Absolutely agree that “intelligence is way different from English speaking” but…
Those folks have textbooks and academic literature, and are taught, in their languages (even same for most Arabs)!

In Nigeria, where our academic textbooks and literature are virtually all in English language, there really shouldn’t be any rational excuses why any Nigerian graduate, who has purportedly studied in English (and/or English) for a minimum of 10-15 years (under the 6-3-3-4 system), should be struggling with the basics of the language of learning and instruction.

We shouldn’t be making excuses for blatant MEDIOCRITY in Nigeria…
Nonetheless, I don’t blame Nigerian graduates, because the reality is most of their teachers are even WORSE.
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achorladey:
.An individual that can speak his L1 fluently and convey whatever ideas or knowledge using that L1. Is that individual an illiterate?

Illiteracy is NOT stupidity…
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sherylbaky:
Articulacy is the ability to speak fluently, and this can be done in any language in the world.

Education is the acquisition of "personal development", knowledge, skill development, habit, morals and values, These are the essence of education.

Therefore, education could be acquired in any language.
Out of this personal development is 'exposure'.

Exposure teaches that we have different people around the world with different languages.
German speaks their language
Spanish speaks theirs
Portuguese with theirs as well.

Hence, if someone can not speak a foreign language or other dialects, it doesn't mean the person is not educated.
But if someone has failed in the area of skill, value,moral, habit or personal development, it's an evidence that the person is not well educated.

By the way, I AGREE with you that education is essentially personal and professional development (skill acquisition in contrast is “training” which many Nigerians, with the obsession over certificates, often confuse with “education”), and therefore can be acquired in ANY language.

Nonetheless, if you are an academic or professional in Nigeria, proficiency in the language of instruction and/or learning should be a MINIMUM requirement - and whether we like or not, that’s currently (and probably for the foreseeable future) English language!
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sherylbaky:
Articulacy is the ability to speak fluently, and this can be done in any language in the world.

Education is the acquisition of "personal development", knowledge, skill development, habit, morals and values, These are the essence of education.

Therefore, education could be acquired in any language.
Out of this personal development is 'exposure'.

Exposure teaches that we have different people around the world with different languages.
German speaks their language
Spanish speaks theirs
Portuguese with theirs as well.

Hence, if someone can not speak a foreign language or other dialects, it doesn't mean the person is not educated.
But if someone has failed in the area of skill, value,moral, habit or personal development, it's an evidence that the person is not well educated.

Those folks have textbooks and academic literature, and are taught, in their languages (even same for most Arabs)…
In contrast, in Nigeria you cannot claim optimal “education” if you are struggling with the language of instruction and/or learning.
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Oyiboman69:
the funny thing Is that many English people don't even know how to construct simple sentence then I ask my self if what they are teaching us over here here is the correct thing....

Do you think “illiteracy” is a Nigerian term or concept?
Of course there are English people who are ILLITERATE.
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tayo60:
Because English is not their mother tongue

sherylbaky:
English is not a measure of intelligence, it's just a foreign Language.
Once you can understand the message they're trying to pass... it's cool

Obviously, it goes without saying that English proficiency is not synonymous with intelligence….

However, until we start writing and publishing and teaching in Igbarra, Efik, Nupe, Itsekiri, Gbarim, and all other 400-plus Nigerian indigenous languages and dialect, it is extremely RELEVANT to academic and professional capacity in Nigeria.

Even if English is not their “mother tongue”, by the time anyone graduates from university (assuming the 6-3-3-4 educational system - which often lasts even much longer because of ASUU strikes), they would have been studying English, and/or in English, for a minimum of 10-15 years! Anyone who cannot achieve proficiency in any subject that they have studied (or purportedly used) for that length of time (and which they likely get to “practice” regularly, if not daily) calls into question their intellectual capacity (or “measure of intelligence”, as one of the comments above put it). If you cannot master English after 10-15 years of studying and practicing it, what gives anyone any rational confidence that you have mastered Law or Engineering, which you have only studied (and rarely practice) over a 3 or 4 years?! Even more probative, these subjects are taught in English language in our schools and universities.

Abegi, let’s quit making excuses for MEDIOCRITY. The Nigerian reality is that teachers cannot convey what they do not know!
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GOOD FOR HER…

This is sort of primitive man who thinks he “owns” his wife. Keep running and don’t go back.
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EKO O NI BAJE!

Lagos leads…
Others struggle to follow!
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Lindodo20:
Ashawo no be work, na lifestyle

Exactly!
Indeed we should award medals to the dummy who married a supposed “ashawo”…smh at primitive MISOGYNISTS!
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JEWELofHELL:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/511573-police-arraign-fani-kayodes-ex-wife-over-alleged-attempted-murder.html

Beverlyjean:
Always will say dont fight with the rich. U will get urself burnt. Capitalism rules the world. I hope those that pushed her will come out to defend her

Munzy14:
Na foolish person dey fight a man loaded with cash, fame and power...Na one signal, you are gone...

A lesson to our able abuja based sisters and gold digging ministries.

Loewe:
Another reason to not marry for money... But if they had told her before, she would have fought the person cos of FFK's money...

Shebi una no wan build with younger responsible men, una go learn..

ednut1:
women will never learn

Yomit71:
she brought no children from her papa house, if she's desperate to have her own, let her papa impregnate her or anyone in her useless family

What a horribly BACKWARD society and nation…

If you’ve enough power/cash, you can get the police to harass, intimidate and persecute an ex-spouse over domestic disputes…
To much applause (implicit and/or explicit) from a largely primitively-subservient, culturally-sexist and misogynistic population.

PS: Note the danger of the several Social Media bills and legislation floating around Nigeria. SMH
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lexy2014:
If u don't agree that d pictures of Lagos traffic he shared are not 'undeveloped parts', why are u asking for his agenda? Is the picture of Lagos traffic not in Lagos?

Perhaps because the OP posted a picture from the 1990s and FALSELY (mis) labeled it as Lagos of “today”…
There’s NO rational definition of “today” that extends BACKWARDS to 30 years ago, so what’s the real agendum?!
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God1000:
The difference is clear in terms of orderliness.
What is responsible for the obstreperous nature of Lagos today?

I don't want any excuses.

Small people with even smaller agendas….

First, why not show pictures of the SAME place (ie, Carter Bridge) then and now…
And why show an OLD picture of Oshodi (pre-Fashola) and FALSELY pass it off as “today”?!

OSHODI 1990s versus OSHODI TODAY (see below)

iwaeda:
Tragic but funny...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158744262476134

Buhari probably called the driver to wish him luck…
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What a country…

More law schools in a lawless society…
More churches in a “god” less society…
More uniformed men with guns in an insecure society!

Meanwhile, the concept of uniform legal training is gradually being eroded…
While the existing law school campuses are POORLY funded with poor infrastructure. SMH
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Odewaleadesoye:
I have never seen were they bury a Yoruba Traditional Ruler (King) in public like this since I was born.

Anyways, RIP Soun Ogbomoso.

Welcome to the 21st century…
Hopefully, the rumored human sacrifice has been jettisoned as well.
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Orangedreams:
Savage line. The truth is some of this naija celebrities and what have you are over rated. Away from this kwantree nobody actually knows them. It is the low life of an average Nigerian that makes them over hype these so called celeb. On a norm what exactly have they done to merit being called celebrities nothing. Na only open breast, yansh and flunt clito currency cars.

You sound bitter, ill-informed and of low esteem…
She has 2 master’s degrees from NYU and Oxford, feeds IDPs and doles out scores of scholarships.

People shouldn’t worship celebrities, but the reason they’re called ‘celebrities’ is because they’re celebrated…
It’s low self-esteem to think less of Nigerian ‘celebrities’, when Kim Kadashian built an empire off a sex-tape! SMH
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