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stdammis:
You had me until you said turn on the news.

You wanna know what news Americans see when they listening to Nigerian news?? Ghettos and slums! Does that mean all Nigeria is ghetto and slums?

We're making the same point here, the media manipulates people! When you hear something on the news, the last thing that comes to mind is manipulation, more often we tend to take it as facts. if more Americans actually investigated rather than just trusting the media unconditionally, they would see the truth. They would see that Africa is not just slums, they would know the dangers of some of the stuff they eat and they'll start appreciating the world at large.

stdammis:
You keep mentioning 250th. As it ever happened that there was 2 mass shootings in the same day? Hours from each other? Out of that 250th, count the number of mass shootings that has happened during his admin alone and compare it to others.

We've had mass shootings 2 days apart, we've had some one week apart. It makes no difference if it happened hours, days or weeks apart. Under this admin, mass shootings averages about 8 per year, under the Obama administration, it averaged about 5 per year. If you think somehow the small uptick is due to Trump then you have no understanding of what's really going on! Americans are getting more and more depressed, every time you turn on the news, it is politically motivated bashing depending on the network. Kids are all doped up on anti depressants and mood changers. More and more fathers are dead or in jail and more women are abandoning their children. If all these is somehow caused by Trump then there's no point arguing. I repeat America has a cultural and mental problem, Trump is not the root of it, he's just easier to blame!

WriterX:
that's the thing, very true the last two protest after mass shootings at some other place sometime ago yielded nothing, I was like seriously?
but nothing like what do they gain from it plus I applaud trump's decisivness when it comes to issues like this take for instant the border wall funds ,his contributions can help make them see reasons I mean Obama pushed for it unfortunately that one only saw reasons to yield when it started dawning on him that he was going out.
he has to make a say, at least it's something.

Trump is not a politician, when it comes to social and sensitive issues like this, he would not want to rock the boat. Everyone wants a solution but no one can agree on the right solution hence the reason why nothing ever gets done about gun control in America. The Democrats wants to take away all guns, the Republicans want to preserve the right to own guns. Some people are asking for comprehensive background checks but criminals getting guns from black market will never go through a background check. Just like weed, you can ban it all you want but it still sells on the street.

stdammis:
This is why you shouldn't have a bigoted fool as a president. A 3 year old in a 70+ man who doesn't understand the power he wields as the president of the most powerful and racially sensitive country.

All those Nigerians supporting him. I hope you the faces of those dead innocent people makes you and his other supporters happy.

Did you read the article at all? This is the 250th mass shooting in America, you mean to say past presidents were also bigoted and childish? Perhaps you hold Trump responsible for all of them....lol

WriterX:
AR15 - military grade weapons which can be equipped with body armor piercing rounds of ammunition that can be purchased easily off a gun shop in U. S.

this is the problem , there are loose laws that prevent the buying or selling of weapons such as this.

this is military graded weapons used for combat, how on earth did he get an AR15, trump needs to rethink this, people are dying.

Trump cannot do anything about this, any president that tries such will be signing his or her death sentence. The NRA and other lobbying groups own Congress and the government. This is the 250th mass shooting in America, wanna bet nothing gets done?

drips8:
Trump is more interested in kicking out and blocking foreign terrorists forgetting that homegrown terrorism by white supremacists is gradually becoming one of biggest america's problem

Did you read the article at all? A leftist, a supporter of Democratic candidates, a critic of Trump. White Supremacists don't go out killing more whites, their agenda is to grow the white population not decrease it.

maasoap:
Knifves and ropes have their purposes, [b]they're not invented primarily for killings. [/b]Guns were invented primarily for killings. You got the difference now?

Stop confusing yourself. Knives have multi purpose and one of it is to kill or injure, primary or secondary does not matter. You're still missing the point here, a gun by itself kills no one, a knife by itself kills no one. In the hands of a mentally challenged individual, even paper can become weaponized!

maasoap:
You would be surprised if it is legalised. We know how much people who could hardly feed are spending on phones. Even in USA, not everyone has guns. But legalising it will increase the numbers in four folds at least.



Sure



That's why I said every policy has advantages and disadvantages. USA policy on guns has advantages and disadvantages and Nigeria policy on guns has advantages and disadvantages too. But I prefer the Nigeria policy



Laughing. Guns are made to kill. We can choose to accept the reality or decide to pretend like we don't know.

Guns were made to kill? Yet a gun by itself has never killed anyone in the history of humanity...lol. Just like knives, ropes etc, in the hands of an unstable person, they can be weapons of death. Blame the person not the method!

Funaki:
Do you count armed robbery, gang violence and domestic violence as mass shooting? if you do, then there are already 3 today alone. To do that, you'll count thousands in a Year in the United States. Mass shooting has no universal definition but US congressional , it's defined as shootings carried out in a public place without being a means to an end. That removes gang violence or armed robbery or domestic violence. When I said mass shooting, I meant people that shoot at others indiscriminately without cause. And this is popular where there are a lot of guns without proper regulation.

You counted rituals, robbery and kidnapping in Nigeria, but you don't often hear of a lone shooter shooting sporadically in a night club or in a shopping mall or inside a campus. If things like these will even happen, they are organised by gangs or cultists. It's not only US that have people with mental issues. It's even worse in Nigeria with very few people with hospital records or access to good health care, how many pyschriatic hospitals are inot eachieve state in Nigeria. Or how many people have their health histories with the hospitals. How do you want to give these people guns and you think they'll be better off? How will you know not to sell a gun to a disturbed person in a place like Nigeria?

And why are you using your in-laws estate as an example here? which insane individual will rob an estate full of military personnel? Don't robbers rob police stations in Nigeria? How has more guns solve crime anywhere in the world? it doesn't work in the US, you think it'll work in Nigeria?

Mass shooting has no universal definition but US congressional , it's defined as shootings carried out in a public place without being a means to an end. That removes gang violence or armed robbery or domestic violence.

Congress is full of sh*t! Mass shootings can and have been a means to an end. A fired co worker came back to place of work to kill his boss and everyone around him. For Congress and you, this does not fit your definition of mass shooting? A bullied kid came back to his school and killed multiple students because he was depressed and suicidal, is this not ameans to an end?

And why are you using your in-laws estate as an example here? which insane individual will rob an estate full of military personnel? Don't robbers rob police stations in Nigeria? How has more guns solve crime anywhere in the world? it doesn't work in the US, you think it'll work in Nigeria?

We have many estates that have been robbed in the past and many more due to poor security. I used the estate as an example of how people don't need to rely on the government to protect them, self security is one area many fail in Nigeria, how many robbers actually do their due diigence in Nigeria? It's not like these people go around in army uniforms....lol. My dad built his mansion and he was robbed twice. Both times he made sure to drop a body, 2 AK 47, 9mm and so on. He does not live in an estate but he is very secured. Outright ban on guns is detrimental to the society, you're at the messy of the authorities or the criminals. The same goes for unconditional gun ownership, there must be a system of checks and balance for it to work.

You counted rituals, robbery and kidnapping in Nigeria, but you don't often hear of a lone shooter shooting sporadically in a night club or in a shopping mall or inside a campus.

Sorry but is one supoosed to be better than the other? I don't get your point here! Can you count the number of people killed by ritualist/kidnappers/robbers in Nigeria this year? Can you tell me those are acceptable casualties compared to mass shooters? Funny!

maasoap:
Even if you're right, that doesn't take the fact that gun control will bring down the numbers of gun casualties. It is a simple and glaring fact.
Let Nigeria government allow everyone to have access to guns in Nigeria and see the gun related deaths spike under one year

No doubt but there's a difference between gun control and total ban on civilians owning guns. There's a difference between a mandated background check and actually putting in place techniques to reduce gun violence e.g. mental illness evaluation and treatment, increasing legal age to 25, yearly recertification etc.

In Nigeria, not everyone will be able to afford bullets, let alone guns. Gun related deaths are already spiking, we just don't have proper statistics monitoring....lol. You think all these people being attacked by Fulani herdsmen, being kidnapped by Evanesque gangs and so on, do you think they wouldn't be able to protect themselves if they had access to a registered gun? Like I said, we just have to agree to disagree; guns don't kill people, people kill people!

Funaki:
Why do you say it as if only post-millenial babies commit mass shooting? The Las Vegas shooter was 64 years old, the Orlando shooter was 30 years old. Those are the deadliest mass shootings in US history.

Also, most mass shooters bought their guns themselves. The Virginia Tech guy got the guns himself, the Florida school shooter bought the gun himself. These guys were mentally unstable and the could easily access semi automatic rifles. They didn't steal their parents gun, they bought it themselves. It was after these incidence that some guns laws were enacted by George Bush in 2008 and The age of owning a gun was increased to 21 in 2018. By your logic, these regulations shouldn't have been enacted, everyone, whether sane or not should be able to carry rifles.

And your last assumption is laughable. You want to give people guns in Nigeria because of home breaking? Are homes and banks with security in Nigeria not rubbed? Giving Nigerians guns will worsen violence with the high number of unstable people in clothes.

I guess you need to define the term mass shootings. I've always understood it to be any shootings where three or more people are killed in a single incidence. If this is the right definition and not just what you see on CNN then since 1980 we've had most cases of mass shootings as a result of a negligent parent, family member or friend. Yes, your examples are correct but they only represent a tiny fraction of gun violence in the U.S. Even if you enact laws which curbs mass shootings as defined by you, it will not solve the situations I've identified. It will not solve gang violence in Chicago or other inner cities. It will not solve domestic violence related deaths by guns.

You mentioned that the situation in Nigeria would be a lot worse but I fail to see how? Kidnappings , rituals, robberies are already high. Insecurity is the order of the day. Come to my in-laws estate where almost everybody is military personnel with weapons at their disposal, there's never been a case of theft not to talk of armed robbery. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one

Funaki:
Stricter gun laws will reduce mass shootings. The two mass shootings that happened today were by lone gunmen, they probably don't belong to any organized crime gang. If guns weren't readily available and accessible, they might not have killed that much number of people. What's an unstable person doing with semi automatic rifle? Is it only US that have unstable people? Even in Nigeria, before you can get a gun, you either be a member (or close affliate) of a cult group or a criminal association, but in the US, you can easily get a gun at gun shows without any background check.

You're partially correct. Gun shows are expected to do their own background checks, although it is not as comprehensive as federal ones but they can get in trouble for selling a gun to a maniac. Furthermore more than 70% of mass shootings in the U.S occurred by those who would pass federal background checks very easily. The check is done when you purchase the gun or when your parents purchase the gun and it is never ever done again. So tell me what stops a teenager or a 20 something year old from picking up the guns of his or her parents? Remember the parent that owns the gun successfully passed federal background checks Can you see now why the problem of mass shootings is not that of the law but of American culture? The newer generations are weak and any little thing they are ready to end it all, if you propose to ban all guns then tell me when a criminal confronts you at home with a gun, how do you defend yourself? 80% of home robberies in Nigeria could be resolved easily if the occupants had guns at home.

Funaki:
This particular shooting took less than a minute. 9 people died, 26 were injured. Only one shooter. Which "something else" can kill and injure people like this?

Can you tell me a law that could have prevented that? You might say ban all guns but do you think criminals care about laws?

maasoap:
All these that you mentioned plus an automatic gun at hand is a sure mass killings. I'm even surprised that you didn't see the connection. Control the guns, frequent mass killings will reduce drastically. You can't just downplay the effects of lack of gun control like that.

Do you think menally unstable people care about laws? More than 70% of deaths by guns happens through backdoor or illegal sales.

Nemesis909:
If guns don't kill people why are there less gun crimes or indeed violent crimes in Europe?

Read my analysis above, Europeans are generally more disciplined than Americans. Americans also abuse more prescription drugs than any other developed country. Most Americans despite many ammenities are depressed, quick to anger and just a push away from wanting to end it all.

Gerrard59:
Could someone please explain why there cannot be a ban on gun ownership in the US? I know it is constitutional, but can that aspect not be changed? Compared to either Switzerland or Japan, the US is not a safe place to reside.

cc: Ogbonti & Abbey621

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Take away guns and people in the U.S would still find something else to use. The amount of people abusing medication is over 70% of the population. An average American kid takes about 3 to 4 different pills per day, mental illness plus a spoiled culture is responsible for American gun violence. Take away guns and pass all the laws you want, criminals will be criminals.

Jurors were told that the mother-of-two did not seem distressed by Lexi’s death and accepted 41 friend requests on the dating app Badoo a day later.

Chineke....Badoo has done it again

Who is more to blame here? The mentally ill man or the people who knew he was mentally ill and still watched as he lived with others? The failure of a government with no low cost treatment options for the poor and mentally ill? Very unfortunate!

JBoss25:
you're the fool here, what do u expect him to hawk without funds to start a business? Even Hawking needs capital for you to start

So he killed himself because he could not hustle like his mate? He killed himself because it was easier than helping out his mother who has to hawk to feed his lazy bum!

Businessman1986:
And why did this 'hawker mother' bring kids into this world? To partake in further misery?

Same way Beyonce and Jayz would look at you or your background and hiss....lol. Why did your parents give birth to you, if you can't be rich like Jayz....lol.

calculator123:
Calling him a fool is quite insensitive of you. We don't know the full details, I rather not jump the gun into making conclusions.

Read the story well, what more do you need to know. What could be so urgent that he had to get 700 Naira at that moment? The fact that the mother has to go and hustle in the market shows us 700 Naira is a big amount to them. May we not give birth to a foolish boy or girl!

mistyebby:
I dont know where you are coming from, but all my years in Lagos and since I was born, I have never seen such. Just a few flock of harmless sheep roaming about but def not cows.

Try to get out more, from Badagry to several places in Ajah, cows run rampant during Muslims' festival periods.

Jones4190:
Do you know that Atiku “had no right to be voted for and returned in the election to the office of President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria held on Saturday 23 February, 2019, having regard to the clear provision of Section 131(a) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (CFRN) 1999 as amended, which unequivocally stipulates inter alia, that for a person to be qualified for election to the office of President, he must be a citizen of Nigeria by birth.
“Atiku is not a citizen of Nigeria by birth and ought not to have even been allowed, in the first place, to contest the election. From available records, Atiku was born on the 25th November, 1946 in Jada, Adamawa, in Northern Cameroon, and is, therefore, a citizen of Cameroon.
“His father was Garba Atiku Abdulkadir, who died in December, 1957. Prior to 1919, Cameroon was being administered by Germany. “But following the defeat of Germany in World War I, which ended in 1918, Cameroon became a League of Nations mandate territory which was split into French Cameroons and British Cameroons in 1919.
“British Cameroons was administered by the British from neighbouring Nigeria.
“In 1961, a plebiscite was held in British Cameroons to determine whether the people preferred to stay in Cameroon or align with Nigeria.
“While Northern Cameroon preferred a union with Nigeria, Southern Cameroon chose alignment with the mother country.
“The transition took place on June 1, 1961. It was as a result of that plebiscite that Northern Cameroon, which included Adamawa, became a part of Nigeria, and by derivation, the Atiku became a citizen of Nigeria, but not by birth.
“Atiku, therefore, contrary to the assertion in Paragraph 1 of their petition against Buhari had no right to be voted for as a candidate in the election to the office of President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria held on 23rd February, 2019 across Nigeria,” what we are said is that the court should dismiss the Atiku petition, base on the fact that Atiku did not qualified to contest the election, all the votes purportedly cast for the Atiku at the 23 February, 2019 election and as subsequently declared by INEC on the 27th of February 2019, were wasted votes. If you vote for PDP in the last presidential election, your vote in invalid

A competent lawyer would argue that before 1960 Nigeria did not exist, especially the Nigerian Constitution hence those born before 1960 are not subjected to your analysis. We all know what happened between 1914-1960, the question here is whether a sovereign nation should be bounded by laws or decrees from their colonial masters?

Just another example of failures under GEJ but that one no concern my brothers and sisters from the other side, Bubu is responsible for all of Nigeria's faliures past and present including ISlaMIzAtiOn oF nIgEriA #Stealingisnotcorruption

otherway:
U.K is far better and I challenge you to argue this with me...

1. Non discriminating... See below

2. Racism is almost non existent Yea right, how many blacks do you see in Parliament? How many blacks have been Prime Ministers? How many blacks actually own coporations in the UK?


3.[s]No gun violence and considerably safer to live [/s] Yea why use guns when knife and acid attacks are easily available. Safer to live? Yeas when the brutal cold hits and you end up calling your cousin in Atlanta that is enjoying warm weather in January...lol

4.Better healthcare with their amazing NHS.

5. Better welfare for citizens.. What's your tax rate? Average Americans pay an effective tax rate of 10 to 15%, try that in the UK. Average American gets back $4000 to $10,000 per year through tax refund, goodluck with that in the UK.

6. Easier to integrate and lots more.. Yea if you like odd jobs and low income. 70% of Nigerians who migrated to the UK earn less than 30,000 pounds per year.

7.Better currency power.

B.S. ---You mean it's easier to earn pounds than dollars? You mean you can do side jobs easily and afford a big house in the UK?

Elemosho478:
I think you are the mentally unstable here

You muslims will always display your terrorist tendency

I was even arguing with you like a gentleman not knowing you are a terrorist


Old testament was not perfect and Jesus came on Earth to wipe out the fallacy of old testament

True Christians don't follow old testaments but the teachings in old testament that support Jesus teaching

Any Christians that is practicing what is against Christian teachings is not a true Christian

In fact Christianity only came into existence after Jesus

But I don't expect a blood sucking Jihadist like you to comprehend

See Christian ....Jesus would be so disappointed, you don't follow old testament but what you just did was exact replica of the laws of Moses....Anyways what do I know, enjoy your ignorance

Elemosho478:
Christians accept Jesus Christ as their true Lord and Saviour and true Christians only follow Jesus christ teaching

There was no where in the Bible Jesus Christ preached violence or support violence against non believers, he died in the hands of non believers and he even died for their sins according to the Bible, in fact that was his mission on Earth


Muslims are followers of Muhammed and Muhammad preached Violence and used violence against non believers

I don't expect you to accept, so you can continue to Deceive yourself

Another ignorant comment, Muslims follow Allah and recognize the prophet (pbuh) as his messenger. Christians follow God and recognize Jesus as his son, they were Christians before Christ came to earth, they were called people of the book. Go and ask your pastor and seek enlightenment. Whether you're mentally challenged to believe Jesus and God is one and the same is not my concern, everyone is entitled to believe whatever crap they choose but please stop deluding yourself that Jesus came to wipe away the old testament, this is the biggest FALLACY of all time!

Elemosho478:
Deuteronomy is in the old testaments and Christians don't follow the old testament just the one that agreed with Jesus teaching

In fact Christianity only came to existence in New Testaments and after Jesus died, Resurected and left

Christians follow Jesus teachings and there was no where in the Bible Jesus and his disciples Carried arms against non believers, in fact he even died in their hands and died for them


The crusades activities was outside the Bible

Christians also have different groups with different teachings but we are not at war with each other like you guys

Kill idolaters was Inside the Quran

The Arab enslaved and kidnapped Africans more the Europeans and support Arab supremacy

Stop speaking jargon, I gave you a link to what the crusades was about and the biblical backings used by its propagandist. Your asserrtion that Christians only believe in the new testament is absolutely RIDICULOUS! Did Jesus wipe out any old commandments from the old testament? Are Christians still tithing? Do Christians still object to sodomy and detest homosexuality?

Your laughable excuse to delegitimize the old testament and at the same time validate the violence in the Quran is pure comedy. Don't you know the Old testament is the foundation of the Quran? So if you must excuse the old testament, you must equally excuse the Quran's violence since they came from the same origin. By your rationale, Moses, Abraham, Noah and the rest are irrelevant because Jesus is the only one that matters, by your thinking the Bible should be cut in half and pastors should only preach about things in the new testament

Elemosho478:
Jihad is part of Islamic practice

And Muslims is the only religion that justify the killing of people that doesn't believe in their religion

There is no where in the Bible it was written to kill non believers

So both Shitte and Sunni are terrorists

You are the Ignorant one here

Go and read up on the crusades and tell me how many people Christians killed in the name of religion or tell me about the millions of blacks kidnapped and forced into slavery with justification that the Bible supports white dominance, why not read Deuteronomy 20:20-15, plenty examples inside the Bible. Furthermore, research what Jihad means, you'll see just like any religious term it is open to your interpretation. For most part, it means struggle. It could mean struggle against your inner self, it could mean struggles against oppression, it could mean fighting against those who fight against God. The extremists who use jihad as their motive, forgot one fundamental principle; you can't fight jihad against defenseless people, the way ISIS did. You can't fight jihad against fellow Muslims, attacking women and children is not jihad, if you go against these principles you are not fighting JIHAD, you're not even a MUSLIM....EDUCATE YOURSELF, here's a link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/religious/holywar.shtml

Elemosho478:
Both Sunni and Shitte are both terrorists

Buhari should stop using Nigeria to Fight Jihad we are not an Islamic country

Stop being ignorant, people don't become terrorist just because they affiliate with a certian religious denomination rather their actions afterwards determines their classification. It's like saying because a certain pastor is an alleged cultist or rapist, all their members are the same.

Yoruba elders in diaspora...lol. Everyone is trying to stay relevant, it's called marketing . You wan popular pass Afenifere? Instead make you sit down with Jagaban or some of the SW governors, you went straight to the typical example of slave master to accomplish what exactly? Expose your foolishness? If UN did nothing about Boko Haram, you really think herdsmen menace would ginger them? Mumu!

bigfish3k:
we understand our plight, we have development restrictions placed on us by the north, SW and the colonial masters gang up so as to force us to spread into the north and SW of nigeria

Yea everybody is ganging up on y'all, classic victim mentality