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HimName:
June 16, 2004.

A witness.

Greatest Gbo Gbo, I lived beside the palace then, was at the forefront of it all....Rgretted not leaving the night before....Worst 2 days of my life....Thank God for sparing me!

Midas01:
Please can you state categorically what verses of the Bible that doesn't prohibit men from bringing other wives home?
Infact state what verses of the Bible allows men to marry multiple wives or even have concubines because my own Bible doesn't have it. That something is allowed to happen doesn't mean it is permitted and the right thing. Murder, fornication, adultery, idolatry, infanticide etc were all allowed by God but we're never part of his original plan for mankind.

According to the 10 commandments and other laws states in the Bible, murder , fornication, aldutery and so on are prohibited but you won't find one verse in the Bible that prohibits the ability of men to marry more than one wife. You won't find anything that suports it but there's nothing making it ungodly!

Midas01:
"Thou shall not commit adultery"

Also the Bible says "a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they two shall be one". It didn't say "his wives", it didn't say "they three" shall become one.

Receive sense today.

Adultery does not apply when you marry the other woman so that argument is dead on arrival.

Most times you can only marry one wife at a time so why would the Bible say wives? Wouldn't your statement also contradict Father Abraham's predicament? What about Moses, Jacob and King Solomon? Nice try

1StopRudeness:
I took the words out of context... ?? Oh so now u can say killing instructions in the Quran was taken out of context...but men using women and depriving them of their rights, taking many wives and using children as wives isn’t taken out of context
See, On that day of judgement will give account of how we use religious scriptures to justify our selfish wrong doings weda Muslim or christain ..peace be unto u man

Now this I can agree with, let's leave judgment for judgment day...Shalom!

Midas01:
Look at this one. Tell me one religion that permits polygamy other than Islam? And who told you no religion gives equal rights to both sexes? Last I checked, different roles doesn't mean different rights. Yes in a marital Union the man is the head but it doesn't mean he has more rights than her in the marriage. Let's not forget that in Christ there is no man or man, no Jew or gentile, everyone is equal.

Show me were Judaism or Christianity explicitly prohibits polygamy?

1StopRudeness:
Its not my version... ... it’s the right thing because we were first humans before religion came..and the law written in the hearts of men before any relegion came is equality and lov: do unto other what u want them to do unto u.....
there would be judgement one day and people who were existing before the Bible and quaran will be judged.. they are not all going to perish..... u think God is unjust...
Ddnt your Quran say u should kill christains, don’t live with them in peace, enslave their women etc...but why don’t u go about killing like it says..because there’s a law in ur heart that knows killing ur fellow man is wrong...will you call that ur own version of interpreting the Quran?? Will U say it’s civilization??
I’ve told u before and I will tell u again.. people will always want to interprete religion to suit them..a religion cannot preach peace and also say kill others becos they are christains amen want it to be that way... the same way.. relegion cant tell u to love and treat others the way u want them to treat you and still tell u to hurt ur them in the name marriage...like U said we will have to disagree on this

You're confusing sentiments with facts, I asked you a simple question what makes you think your version is more morally acceptable than others? Interpretation is the keyword here, just like we are influenced by our parents and society at large, many people are influenced by interprations of the holy books. What you just wrote about th Quran is comical because just like many ignorant people here on Nairaland, you took the words out of context, in advanced literature class we were taught to look at situations and context before reaching a conclusion. The Quran, the Bible all mentioned men killing their enemies, fighting in the name of God but look at the context, most were during times of oppression and against those who lived by violence. The Prophet SAW was persecued for over 13 years, he and his followers ran for their lives to Medina and the enemies still came after them, this was how the verses came about, it's no diffferent than military warfare we see today.

Infidels are not solely Christians, in fact the Quran respects people of the book(Christians) and implicitly states that there's no compulsion in Islam. The only times aggression is accepted is when threatened or in a war. If certain Muslims misinterpret that then that's on them and not the religion, it's on their religious leaders and other scholars peddling extremism just like the Caholic church did in the crusades.

To educate yourself more lok here:

https://www.alislam.org/articles/why-does-the-quran-say-that-infidels-should-be-killed/

1StopRudeness:
Religion ddnt give right to men... U see that’s where we are getting it wrong, we interpreted text out of context... how can a religion preach love and also permit you to hurt someone’s feelings...how can a religion preach peace and at the same time say it’s okay to kill infidels and kidnap their women and children...it’s contradictory and the reason is we humans interpreted it that way.. that’s not what religion wanted...
Just to clear, that wasn’t the premise of my comment.... the premise was “religion as a justification for men to cheat”.... my comment stemmed from another guy’s text I earlier mentioned who used religion as a justification for men to have more than one woman wives..and thus, make it right for them to cheat..and women can’t do the same...which is the direction of this whole thread

[b]the Quran that permitted more than one wife clearly gave a condition of love equally... already for a man to bring a rival woman into the house where another woman already exist, has already violated the condition the Quran gave by putting the interest of the new woman above the one at home...there’s no longer “love them equally condition” [/b]in that....
Regardless of human’s selfish behaviour which is what is reigning today ...I’m just making it clear that relegion doesn’t put the right of anyone above another...we are the one making it look that way..
Equally in the Bible, women were called weaker sex... people have used that text out of context to rule over women for years whereas that context was only explaining women’s action in the garden of eden when eve succumbed to the devil’s temptation.. infact it further meant men also weak because Adam succumbed to the temptation of his wife against God’s advice...
Man can do wateva he likes, but it’s wrong to use relegion as justification cos all we do is misinterprete it for our gain...

We'll just have to disagree on that, religion forms the fabric of our moral compass in today's socities, if it does not prohibit something then it is perfectly okay as log as it is not illegal. You talk about feelings and bringing another woman home but if you read the Quran or Bible properly, you would understand men were never prohibited from bringing another woman home as long as they don't neglect existing wife/wives. We must not let our modern interpretations distort what is allowed or prohibited by the holy books.

The Quran never said love equally but rather:

“But if you feel you many not be able to deal justly between them, then marry only one.” (Holy Qur’an, 4:4).

Justly does not mean equally rather fairly. If wife A puts in 70% and wife B only puts in 30% then they should get their rewards according to their efforts(Equity/Justly), what would be wrong is to give wife A 50% and also wife B 50%(Equality).

I don't support men cheating but I can never be against men having the right to marry more than one wife, you can love someone and yet have the need to marry more than one, kings do it for expanding their empire, some do it for child bearing, while some do it just for the sake of it.

Since all religions are interpretated by those with deep knowledge of it and then propagated to the masses, what makes you think your version is more right than others?

1StopRudeness:
U mentioned me without understanding my post or its premise......”premise and understanding” The first things to consider when interpreting a text... and that’s why we are all here today. Muslims killing people in the name of God, abusing women and depriving them of respect and their right, christains claiming once saved forever saved and they are going to heaven no matter what they do because they believe in Jesus one day like that .........sigh!!!!

Your post mentioned love, that is your premise. Do unto others as you want done to you! This premise does not apply without conditions especially in marriages, marrying more than one wife does not mean you don't love the first wife. Religion gives this right to men but not to women, this was what I pointed out, love alone will not prevent men from marrying other wives.

As for the other things you mentioned, stick to topics you understand. Christians and Muslims alike are guilty of murders and disrespecting women, one has just been polarized more than the other.

1StopRudeness:
Don’t even go there.... relegion doesn’t contradict itself... it’s we humans that interpretes it for gratification of our selfish fleshy desires...
most relegion call for holiness, consecration and above all.....love
Any religion that says u can do what u don’t want to be done to you in return is a scam or has been misinterpreted....it has clearly violated the principle of love and the principle of “do unto others what u want done to you”....

All religions practice love but that has nothing to do with men having more than one wives and women basically not being able to do the same. No religion gives equal rights to men and women, there's always a distinction. Cheating husbands are obviously violating this principle, why cheat when you can marry? Of course we know why they cheat.....They want the milk but don't want to buy the cow, taking care of one woman is hard enough but two or more....Chineke!

Ajsmart:
250th mass shooting in 2019!!! Even if you don’t have Internet access why not ask your neighbor to check google on your behalf!!!!

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-paso-dayton-ohio-shootings-250-mass-gun-violence-a9039031.html%3famp[/url]
Gosh! People can’t be this dumb!!!

Lol if I couldn't afford internet in the USA then something is wrong ...You read things online and take them as facts without doing your research. Did you even bother to see what the article defines as mass shootings? For example gun deaths between gangs, drug dealers and so on are also counted by the research org., in the article but by FBI guidelines those don't count. By FBI guidelines there have been 31 mass shootings in 2019.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-claims-of-over-250-mass-shootings-in-2019-need-context-could-be-closer-to-30/507-17aae119-8dd5-40f6-b73a-e083324ed795

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/mass-killings-across-america/

Next time, you want to call someone dumb, make sure you actually know WTF you're talking about!

People get sentimental over everything! If most of us are practical like the mother, a lot of our problems would be solved easily. The parents made a mistake by bringing an SS into the world, the mother is trying to correct that mistake by making sure the son has a successor. Who knows? He might live to be 100 but in this life, nothing is guaranteed. The question you should be asking yourself is simple, if you had the means and the motivation to help your lineage continue to grow, WHY WON'T YOU?

meobizy:
Every generation says this and still it hasn’t happened.

You don live for every generation?

MyGeneration:
all these things are easier said than done.

You are the one trying to sound political, cause i never for once in yhis thread mentioning Buhari.

As for the sea port part state governments are not allowed to do that its federal

Federal government or Buhari, what's the difference? We know when you mention Federal government you're not referring to your Senators....lol. Yes, seaport is hard but it can be accomplished. We all know politics is about bargaining, how then do you bargain with someone when you don't support him during elections and half of your people want nothing to do with Nigeria? Which was why I said GEJ was your best bet but una BLEW it! Many Easterners and SS people benefited greatly from GEJ. Many of your leaders fattened their pockets and that of their families guess that was more important than fighting for seaports or more federal allocations. I'm not blaming anyone, every region in Nigeria is equally guilty of complacency and being sheep to our heartless leaders...We'll all wake up one day!

MyGeneration:
is that what you think, Senators Reps and Ministers don't have much power over the development of there region only governors do.

If a senate needs to be balanced same as house of reps, right now in Nigerian NASS the north is the majority. in the past it wasn't so, when Nigeria was north and south we both had equal number of reps but now northern reps are majority.

Move a motion and they can go against it if it does not favor them, Ministers too dont have much powers, if Budget president gives to u does not provide for infrastructure in your region its not your regions fault.

i am not saying anybody is perfect but let people who have had an edge in Nigeria for ages don't come and start trying to compare with people who came from zero to something

Hogwash! Even going by your subjective standard, you had powerful governors from the East, wealthy businessmen, adequate representation in the legislative branch including its leadership. You even had GEJ at a point in time, who could have easily been manipulated to support Eastern agenda but NOTHING!

You can continue playing victim or you can wake up and start auditing your own internal structure. A revolution can't happen only on the physical level, it must also be mental/behavioral. I'm not here to diminish your claim but if you are honest with yourself, you would realize that even your own leaders don't believe in the Eastern agenda. It's all propaganda! How much is seaport? Do you know how many Easterners own oil blocks? How many Easterners are worth trillions? Combination of all Eastern governors and Senators alone can build a coalition that would bring meaningful development. E.g Instead of siding with a loser like Atiku, they could have bargained with Buhari, 50% of the SE votes for more federal allocations? 70% for perhaps a seaport? This is how it's done even in advanced countries but the truth of the matter is this, your own leaders are only after their pockets. Buhari is not your problem, your problem is the governor/senator/minister that you call brother/sister.

MyGeneration:
the east is ready to compete, the east is ready for development, but partisan politics and infrastructure deficit cant let us achieved our goals.

Imagine none of the Eastern sea ports Aka southsouth ports are functional
Federal govt can invest millions of dollars to build a dry port at Kaduna and invest millions to make sure it works whether it is viable or not.

But Onitsha port has been on lock and key for years down, despite various firms bidding to manage it.

We pass una o, make una no dae do senseless comparison, if all things were to be equal una no go see our back

Yet we've had Senators, Reps, Ministers and other leaders from the East who did nothing to achieve this. You people cry partisan politics yet the people you chose to represent you ended up being sellouts. The problem is not the federal government or partisan politics, the real issue is within. If your own brothers and sisters sold you out, why the hell won't outsiders do the same?

What's the point of fighting corruption if there's no accountability? We might as well have allowed GEJ or Atiku to rule, same ni.....SMH!

Do you want to know why corruption, scamming and so on can never reduce in Nigeria? It is simple, even if you caught the person in the act, some Nigerians would always give the person a pass...E.g - We are all scammers, he did some good before, whta about our politician. It's a deep sickness that I'm afraid no one can cure.....SMH!

If this is true then we've just seen a classic case of domestic brainwashing. They protested, got injured/killed yet their main man is living like a king. Surely we can't blame this only on ignorance, surely there's a deeper level of foolishness going on among his followers, same foolishness those who kill/injure during elections, ipob movement and so on. No politician/religious leader is worth sacrificing your life for....WAKE UP!

At the end of the day, Forbes, media personalities and all those hyping him up should be arrested! Most influential Nigerian and so many titles, yet all na scam. I wouldn't be surpirsed if more and more so called big shots are arrested , Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Fulani and so on, one thing is common in Nigeria, scammers are everywhere! Long throat, Gucci, chop life...Until it lands you in jail or mortuary

EkperemoEgbabi:
Lies. Farmcrowdy, thrive agric and a few of them have insurance policy to take care of investors not loosing their capital. Stop broadcasting wrong information that u don't know anything about.
Just because u don't have money to invest in agritech businesses does not mean u should create panic and wrong impressions in people's minds.

Insurance policy is not regulatory compliance. Insurance policy is dependent on the insured paying their monthly or yearly premiums and not doing anything to violate the terms of the policy. In short, you're still at the mercy of Farmcrowdy and so on. The reason banks comply with FDIC is because it is a regulatory requirement enforceable by the government, insurance policy is a private transfer of risk, nothing more!

Considering that we only have about 2 Billion Christians in the world, I guess about 5 Billion people are heading for hell fire . No need to worry about the goodness of their hearts, doesn't matter if they are cheerful givers, heroes and so on, as long as they don't subscribe to your way of worshipping God then they must surely enter hell fire.......RIDICULOUS

salford1:
Did you say outdated lol.
Bluetooth headphones can't beat the quality of sound of wired headphones, the headphone being in the same class. Let say you want to use a usb adapter, those adapters don't often come cheap so you will be spending more money.

Adapters cost less than 5000 Naira on Amazon, Ebay etc, even cheaper on Aliexpress. If you can buy phone of over 300k, you can afford 5k or even 10k. Bluetooth has gone beyond what you're thinking, version 5.0 allows low energy usuage and better performance. My Beats wireless provides excellent sound quality especially when combined with Dolby Atmos on Samsung.....Wire is a thing of the past, don't be surprised if all mobile phones do away with it....lol

Nickshrapnel:
The same thing MKBHD said, if you can create a space for your stylus, then what stops you from creating an earphone jack

Basically it is outdated technology, the evolution of bluetooth and the emergence of adapters, makes it less intriguing. Trust me 8GB/12GB of RAM is much more valuable to Samsung users than jack. Can't wait to root this baby along with the galaxy tab s6

My people for the sake of your sanity and well-being, make sure you have a lawyer and friends in the force. Nigeria is a place where everything is about power, even when innocent, you could spend decades in jail. I repeat for your sanity, especially when acquiring wealth and assets, PROTECT YOURSELF!

Travel advisory or not, my people would gladly port to the USA when given the opportunity. Yeye Amenesty International, they did not issue advisory under Obama but gladly did it under Trump, forgetting that issue of gun violence in the U.S is a collective problem. Neither the Dems or the GOP can solve the problem without fundamentally altering the American Constitution. When you now add mental illness, kids on 4 to 5 prescirption drugs per day and overall decay in family values, well what you get is CHAOS!

She's older, a PH.d holder and pobably richer than you. What exactly will you be offering her aside companionship? Do you have kids yourself? Have you ever been married? Realize you're not just getting her but the children as well, are you ready for that? How would your own family feel? Do you know the circumstances surrounding the death of her husband? My brother there are more questions than answers right now, I suggest you shine your eyes and mind well well, this is like your own Ph.D. Take it very seriously!

No mind the referee, him too dey listen to motivational speakers....."Think it and it shall be"

ArcSEMPECJ:
How I wish it was USA that colonized Nigeria......

By now Nigeria will surely be a better place to live in as per individual output

Ogbeni chill....Same people wey colonized us colonized the USA

maasoap:
Protection by killing
Deterrence by killing. It looks like you need more education on this

Lol...deterrence by killing, typical Nigerian spewing rubbish!

Funaki:
I agree with you that mass shooting can have motive but I disagree that they always have motives. What was the motive of Stephen Paddock? Police, till now don't know what caused the man to kill so much people. What was the motive of the Sandy Hook school shooter? we don't know. There are several less cases like this that the motives are not known. Most of them are classified under "mental issues". I only cited congressional research to show how mass shootings are reported. If you count every gun violence as mass shooting, you will lose count within a month.



I can agree that petty phone/laptop thieves can be scared away by presence of guns. But professional robbers are not scared of guns. Police are even afraid of those guys. Where I was staying during my NYSC, they always have fear of robbers coming to rob them at night because it is common in that area. Police could not do much because they were afraid too, nobody wants to die, they always dispel the fears as rumors. The only thing the neighbors could do is to not carry cash home at night. It was only when SARS came that the wings of robbers were clamped. Just last week, police ran away from high way robbers. More guns won't stop armed robbery, sometimes robbers even target police station before they go for their operations.



You are looking at it like more guns will solve violent crimes in Nigeria. How will gun reduce robbery and kidnapping killings in Nigeria? Most kidnapping and robberies these days happen on the highway. Do you suggest everyone traveling on the highway should hold guns in their hands in case of kidnapping or robbery? If people are given guns in Nigeria, this is probably what will happen: violent crime will increase because of the very poor system and people will start shooting themselves in schools and public places just like the US.

I'm not saying they all have motives but he definition that they can't be a means to an end is just plain wrong. In case you haven't noticed, Congress is getting dumber and dumber by the day.....lol. I mentioned having guns would lead to people being able to protect themselves better. This is true especially in a country like Nigeria where you have to wait hours upon hours before the police shows up, that is if they actually show up at all. Nobody said giving guns to people without any restrictions, nobody said we have to practice the American system of things and nobody said Nigeria was near ready for such things. The truth is we have to have some form of accountability and yearly recertification before guns can be sold to the public in Nigeria.

Ultimately it boils down to this, who would you trust with your life when it is in imminent danger? The Nigerian police or yourself? I choose to bet on myself, some people might like the Nigerian police better, to each its own.....LMAO!

Ajsmart:
It’s the 250th mass shooting so far in 2019 so YES, Trump is an obvious inspiration to these racist white cowards/ bullies. All these happened under his watch!

250th overall not just 2019.....Nice try tho...lol

maasoap:
Do guns have "multi purpose" too? You see, you're the one who should stop confusing himself. One and only function of gun is to kill, simple.

Protection, deterrence to name a few. Educate yourself!