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You guys are still asking Knowall questions when over 80% of his comments on this thread are pure lies and another 10% full of errors and blunders?

As for me I have made it clear to him, no more discussions until he states his age.

Don't be surprised you are wasting time with a 13yr old using his father's laptop whenever he is not around.

tunnytox:
I'll never believe such stories,  cat turns to a woman! if you believe that then you'll believe there's father xmas!

1. No one is being forced to believe anything.

2. One can believe that without believing there's father xmas.

3. Whether anyone believes that diabolical things do happen or not does not change the fact that they do happen. This is the core of the issue.

My worry here is that we block our minds to learning simply because we think we know or understand everything around us.

There is nothing wrong in admitting that we don't know something or can't imagine that something is possible.

But to categorically state that something is impossible based on our own personal experience runs contrary to what I believe an educated mind is capable of doing. Challenge inertia, question issues, seek knowledge and if time permits delve into the unknown.

As far back as 3 years ago when inverters were not common in Nigeria a client who had a locally made inverter setup by my people told me he was shocked at what he heard the day I met with him.

He went for a presentation somewhere and told them that the inverter backup system in his office lasts for up to 3 days and this system supports all the necessary equipment necessary to run the company's business - ISP. A professor with electrical/electronics background got up, interrupted him and told him that there is no inverter backup system that can last for 3 days. He even asked people to come and visit his office to see for themselves.

I told him that he should remember that a referee in a football match cannot do more than his understanding of the relevant rules even as stipulated by FIFA in any given match. Obviously, the professor had relied on all he read in text books especially based on deployments in foreign lands where backup systems are setup for emergency situations that may last a few hours.

As far as the professor is concerned the client was lying but the funny thing was that as far as the client was concerned the professor was a complete embarrassment to the engineering profession.

My point is that it is better and safer to claim that you are not aware or that you don't think something is possible not that something is impossible simply because you have not been able to prove or witness that thing.

Free your mind and learn. Things are usually not what they seem.

KnowAll:
For anyone to claim the actual events that led to the war are not important rather what he considers important is comparing Katsina to a movie he cannot correctly identify the characters goes to show how shallow and myopic the person is.

One last question - how old are you?

He must be a methusaleh , but he reasons like a scalawag.

Knowall can't be over 40 but if he is then he quite a fool at 40. Reducing events during the Aburi conference to fictional characters shows his level of immaturity and stupidity honestly.


It is clear and I am gratified with the comments as displayed above, just like your heroes Nzeogwu and Ojukwu quick to press the trigger when the arguments is not in their favour.

I have being on this forum a long time for me not to see the tell tale signs of defeat and resignation, one can tell when the act of simply putting ones views across becomes worrisome and a burden or seems exhaustive, unpleasant language and unruly behaiviour becomes the order of the day.

I will like to inform u gentlemen with your warp views above here that I KnowAll do not belong to that class of inanimate being whose past time is trading insults on the internet, I am simply cut from a different loin.

Classical clueless response.

It is quite obvious that the facts of the matter overwhelm you and you find it supremely difficult to engage anyone based on facts. Not everyone prefers to use God father movies (even when you goofed on the character you referenced) to discuss serious issues.

I was ready to bet my last kobo that you cannot marshal any points based on facts and you have proven so.

nex:
I just want to two test subjects to be approved as Afam and nex. The  primary subject should adorn a spiritual bulletproof, while the subject for the control experiment will be geared with a standard Armed Forces approved Kevlar vest. Then shots are taken in turns. What is so complicated about that?

You keep creating diversion.

Who is comparing the conventional bullet proof to charms based ones? Certainly not me so I don't see the relevance of the control experiment here.

I have seen (not heard or read) people being shot at (less than 1 meter) without anything happening to them. That is why I know that it works even though I don't subscribe to charms because of my own belief.

If I needed any convincing about charms trust me I have seen with my eyes and would have used one if I ever wanted to. The decision not to venture into it is personal and a matter of choice just as I choose not to become an armed robber or a thief.

Let me also tell another story that happened in one of the states (won't be specific because the major players will know and trust me these guys are simply devilish in my opinion so can't afford to mess with them).

Two friends had problems, both were political office holders and one felt the other back stabbed him. He proceeded to abduct the other and when the other people that helped him to abduct his friend started shooting him and nothing happened he told them not to bother because they did the charm at the same time so bullet will not kill him. I will stop here since this is more general than specific as I will not be willing to risk my life here just to explain real things to people who disagree and use that disagreement as a basis to dismiss what is real.

nex:
@Afam

let's not ask soldiers for more rumours. Let us start producing proof. Stop asking for someone else to stand up for what you say. I know the there is no other bulletproof in existence than the physical you believe there is a spiritual one in existence. Wear yours, I'll wear mine. Shoot me, I'll shoot you. Simple scientific experiment which I want to be recorded and documented in detail.

After one of your first posts on this thread, another poster asked you to declare if you were joking. I'd hoped you were joking. This thread if you haven't noticed is a complete joke excepting the innocent woman that was beaten to near death.

This is desperation on your part. If I tell you that we have muslims and you disagree does that then mean that I am a muslim? Your level of reasoning here is disappointing because this is simple logic and straight forward issue.

I have maintained that I don't believe in charms just as I know it exist. So, talking about doing a "shoot me I shoot you" amounts to a defeatist strategy that you are employing out of fear of being proven wrong.

nex:
@Jakumo

a friend once told me that it is a losing game when you argue with fools cos they will drag you down to their level and defeat you with sheer experience. I warn you not to delve into that quanto-spiritual-mystico-scientific argument which Beaf wants to pull anyone into.

Well, may be we are now fools for holding views that you do not agree with.

May I remind you that in reality only fools would resort to insults to hide their inability to defend their positions.

It seems that you now want to turn the thread into an insult laden one just to escape the hole you have dug for yourself.

The worst form of imprisonment you will experience is one where you imprison your mind, shut it out to things you don't know or things you are not aware of and without any form of caution argue blindly and make statements that don't hold water any day.

Jakumo:
Afam I know you are trying your best to ignore my posts, so I will be brief here so as not to bore you. 

The ballistic evaluations which yourself and Nex are currently debating need not be conducted on human test subjects for hopefully obvious reasons.   Any competent manufacturer of fetish bullet-proof Juju talismans would naturally be amenable to the idea of having their product tested on livestock, so that any "accidental" deaths recorded during the exercise would result in a barbecue as opposed to arrests.

I hate chickens but love curried chicken and Chicken McNuggets, so those feathered bastards will make great volunteers to be decked out in the full regalia of Jujuological Ballistics Repulsion Technology, before being shot at by lab technicians in white coats.  The documented findings from those controlled and repeatable laboratory investigations can then be published as a White Paper in the New England Journal of Medical Science, whereafter delegations of eminent scientists from across the globe will converge on Nigeria to witness the final demolition of conventional wisdom as we know it.

Afam, take heart, for one can at least hope that the unborn chroniclers of human history will remember the pivotal role played by Nigeria's JujuModulation Technology, when the full trajectory of mankind's destiny is evaluated eons from now.

I don't know what you mean by ignoring your post.

Of course, I won't waste my time responding to some of the comments you make here especially those that tend to turn the thread into a joke or unnecessary humor when issues are being debated.

It is not all the time people engage in jokes, you should understand that.

You have made categorical statements on things you do not believe exist while others have made theirs to show otherwise.

nex, who is very sure that it is not possible for a human being to repel bullet based on charm is not ready to defend what he seems to be so sure of.

If you have friends who are soldiers you may as well as them what happened in Onitsha a few years ago when they were called in to dislodge the Bakassi boys. Ask them and those who may not want to lie would tell you what their colleagues witnessed.

If you have any serious question go ahead and ask but if you think I will dwell on the remarks that have nothing to do with this issue then you will be making a big mistake.

That you are not aware of anything does not mean that it does not exist. This is a position any educated person would take on any issue.

If you are also ready to take up the challenge trust me I will get you someone that will play that game of death with you.

You should be able to put your money where you mouth is.

I don't believe in charms even though it exist and works for those who use them. I don't have to believe in anything for that thing to exist.

I am a christian so naturally I do not believe in other religions. Does that mean that these other religions do not exist?

This issue is about how the mind has been trained to learn more about things, to challenge things, to seek clarifications and do away with mindsets that may be 100% wrong.

I don't do charms so cannot prove the workability to you. But I know people that can take up any challenge with you and trust me they will seek their own pound of flesh if they prove their charms so it is not going to be "ehn so this thing works" when it happens in your presence.

KnowAll:
Quote from: KnowAll on Yesterday at 01:40:39 PM
@Afam

It was obvious to the non military observers of the Aburi conference that Ojukwu "was clearly the star performer. Everyone wanted to please and concede to him". On the federal side, only the Military Governor of the Northern Region: Lt-Colonel Hassan Usman Katsina, seemed to realize the significance of what was going on. Anxious not to allow Ojukwu's domination of the proceedings to continue for too long, he at one point dared Ojukwu to "secede, and let the three of us (West, North, Mid-West) join together".

Alarmed by talk of a possible break-up of Nigeria, Ankrah quickly interjected and told his guests that "There is no question of secession when you come here [Ghana]". Although the FMG delegation was keen to mollify and make concessions to Ojukwu, Lt-Colonel Katsina was hostile and blunt than his other colleagues. He declared matter of factly to Ojukwu: "You command the east, if you want to come into Nigeria, come into Nigeria and that is that".


By issueing those 2 statements, if I where Ojukwu I will probably feel like stangulating the guy, but the nearest thing to strangulation is to fall for the bait in the 2nd statement, by pulling out of the federation. He fell for it, instead of Ojukwu to have his own game plan all setup for execution at a later date. If this is not a bait then what is a bait


So, in your wisdom Ojukwu just came back and decided to secede? Is this position correct? Is this your line of thought lest I waste my time addressing this?




Thank God I have found your question, One thing we know is we can all benefit from the wisdom, lessons and knowledge of hindsight, like they say the end justify the means, I will not want to bother u nor bore myself or anybody about who threw the first punch and when did actual armed conflict commenced.

One thing we are sure of, the disagreement of those 2 gentlemen at Aburi actually came to play and fruition in the full gallery of open warfare, the rest as day say is history.

If u want detail history of the conflict, I will suggest u go and do some research and read up on that, I dont have the time nor the patient of teaching an igbo what he should be able to recite of hand.

Exactly what I expected to read from you as someone who is either confused or deliberately avoiding the facts.

For the benefit of others who may not see through your shallow comments I will summarize what led to the war.

1. The Aburi accord was reached in Ghana by Ojukwu (representing the eastern region) and others (representing the other regions including the head of state Gowon). The counter coup was in July 1966

2. The agreement was not kept to and in May 27 1967 (almost 1 year after the counter coup and the senseless killing of easterners mainly Igbo people by northern elements) Gowon as the head of state proceeded to create states even in the Eastern region just to wrest control of the region from Ojukwu by appointing leaders in the newly created states.

3. Biafra was declared 3 days later on May 30 1967.

4. No single shot was fired by Biafra or the eastern region after declaration of the republic.

5. Biafra did not attack anyone

6. Nigeria led by Gowon and supported by the other regions attacked Biafra on the soil of Biafra or eastern region

7. Biafra fought back and defended its own against the attack by Nigeria. This is what any self respecting people would do - FIGHT BACK WHEN ATTACKED

Since you stated you were not interested in what led to the actual conflict I have stated them.

For anyone to claim the actual events that led to the war are not important rather what he considers important is comparing Katsina to a movie he cannot correctly identify the characters goes to show how shallow and myopic the person is.

One last question - how old are you?

@noblezone,

I hope you have realized that I was not the person that posted what you responded to and the poster has responded accordingly.

I used to be shocked, now I only have pity for people who think they know or understand when in reality they don't.

When you make a categorical statement that is 100% false you simply make a fool of yourself.

It seems people hide their ignorance by diverting attention to the real issue.

nex:
If you agree to wear the spiritual bulletproof and let me shoot you, then I will wear the physical bullet proof and allow you shoot me too.

All this will be captured on video in order to show the world its first real proof of juju.

If you are ready, then I'm serious. If I shoot a friend of yours who stands in your stead and he dies, how have you paid for the consequences of your argument? Be a man.

@nex,

Your response shows that you are not even sure of what you believe instead you simply want to see it happen in your front before you believe.

If you are a man and you are sure that there is no charm that can stop bullets simply agree to the condition to be shot by the same person you will be allowed to shoot without any conventional bullet proof. Anything you say that is contrary to this amounts to playing hide and seek.

You should be able to put your money where your mouth is.

I don't believe in charms but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

If I believe in it and use it I would effortlessly challenge you based on the condition that if the bullet does not penetrate I should be able to return fire. Your talk about allowing you to use a conventional bullet proof is completely irrelevant because this is not a competition between conventional bullet proof and charms.

Do not insult our intelligence please. If you are unaware of the existence of such charms say so. Don't just come here and make categorical statements you are not ready to defend.

Never make categorical statements on things you are not sure about. It may only bring ridicule.

Seems no one is responding to the Bakassi boys that repelled bullets shot by soldiers who were forced to run away when the Bakassi boys kept dancing as the bullets were hitting them and falling to the ground while warning the soldiers that they may be forced to retaliate.

Free your mind and try to question things, that is the best way to train your mind.

Enjoy the rest of the week.

@Knowall,

I asked you a direct question which you dodged because answering the question would expose your low level of reasoning.

Trying to reduce the Aburi issue to a movie that you could not even get the characters right is insulting to you as a person.

I am happy that others have responded accordingly to your disjointed, unrelated and diversionary comments.

Henceforth, I will respond to you only when you tell me your age lest I continue to waste my time with a 14yr old who is hell bent on repeating what his parents told him about the Igbos and the Nigeria-Biafra war.

chidichris:
the man you challanged (afam) was once in your blind position hence my prayers for you today is that, that same God that made him to recieve his sight again will do it for u.

Dem don release you from jail? Thought you were in one prison in Dubai. Anyway, welcome back. How prison life?

noblezone:
Yes now, even in dream I will still disagree. Soludo is a "Greek gift" We simply dont want.

Mazi, I hope you are fine?

I am fine. I hope you are fine too.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-336079.0.html seems not to agree.

@nex,

Please, quote me correctly so I don't have to be making such corrections when they are made.

I do not believe in such powers even though they exist.

Yes, trying to see if any good can come from such diabolical powers is a good suggestion in my opinion.

Now, you have stated your opinion on what actually happened without any iota of proof. Is this right? Personal opinions cannot substitute facts any day.

I do not believe in some religions even though I respect the choice of those that believe in such religions.

If you are ready for the challenge with the condition that once you shoot the person and the bullet does not penetrate his body that he should return fire I will get someone for you, serious.

At least if you are so sure that such spiritual bullet proof does not exist you should be ready to damn the consequences and engage someone that believes in a mortal combat where something must give way.

Enjoy the rest of the week and thanks for finally agreeing that I never subscribed to the use of charms. I only respect the fact that it exists and works for those that believe in it.

okeey:
According to him, “I can only say to God be the glory and I believe God has destined that Anambra State must sing a new song; that Anambra State must have a break from the past. I think it is God’s doing and all I have done is also to reach out to my colleagues who are the fellow aspirants and I think we are trying to build a very strong formidable united family as one big family.”

Going against democratic principles is now God's doing because he was selected. I hope he also understands that the stand of the 23 aspirants that have rejected his imposition is also God's doing.

He is already talking like a typical politician.

KnowAll:
@Afam

It was obvious to the non military observers of the Aburi conference that Ojukwu "was clearly the star performer. Everyone wanted to please and concede to him". On the federal side, only the Military Governor of the Northern Region: Lt-Colonel Hassan Usman Katsina, seemed to realize the significance of what was going on. Anxious not to allow Ojukwu's domination of the proceedings to continue for too long, he at one point dared Ojukwu to "secede, and let the three of us (West, North, Mid-West) join together".

Alarmed by talk of a possible break-up of Nigeria, Ankrah quickly interjected and told his guests that "There is no question of secession when you come here [Ghana]". Although the FMG delegation was keen to mollify and make concessions to Ojukwu, Lt-Colonel Katsina was hostile and blunt than his other colleagues. He declared matter of factly to Ojukwu: "You command the east, if you want to come into Nigeria, come into Nigeria and that is that".


By issueing those 2 statements, if I where Ojukwu I will probably feel like stangulating the guy, but the nearest thing to strangulation is to fall for the bait in the 2nd statement, by pulling out of the federation. He fell for it, instead of Ojukwu to have his own game plan all setup for execution at a later date. If this is not a bait then what is a bait

So, in your wisdom Ojukwu just came back and decided to secede? Is this position correct? Is this your line of thought lest I waste my time addressing this?

KnowAll:
You sure need to re – familiarise yourself with the Godfather movies again, Ojukwu fell like a park of cards at Major Katstina’s bait. Just like Tony the Godfather’s 1st son all gung-ho, without thinking it through he was cut down when he was set up by his brother-in law.

Ojukwu should have reasoned like Michael the Godfather’s second son, he knew had to take down his father’s enemies but went about it in a well planned and concise manner, one would expect with the intellect Ojukwu posses he could have eradicated every single person on that table within 18 months of smiling, shaking and patting their backs.

if Camparore of Burkina Faso can kill Thomas Sankara his mentor within 2 years of Sankara coming to power how much more Ojukwu.

So, Major Katsina was responsible? How?

I purposely ignored this part all the while but since it won't go away can you state in clear terms how Ojukwu fell like a pack of cards at Major Katsina's bait?

No stories, go straight to the point and I will respond accordingly.

I think a lot of non Igbos that have contributed on this thread are turning logic on its head simply because accepting the fact and truth would negate all they have either been taught or have believed all these while about the Igbos.

A lot of them in my opinion are simply embarrassed that such foresight and intelligence could come from Ojukwu, someone they have conveniently called names out of either envy, jealousy, hatred or ignorance.

Facts are facts and they don't change.

nex:
@Afam

you know I have respect for you and as honourable gentlemen, if you believe in the concept of spiritual bulletproof vests, I feel it is totally demeaning of you seeking some more courageous man to stand in your stead and recieve your gunshot.

Usually, I would tell you that I never claimed to have a my own spiritual bulletproof vest. I put my faith in Kevlar so if I shoot you directly towards to position of your sternum with your spiritual bulletproof and if you're still alive, you will take hold of the AK47 a point it to the position of my sternum while I'm fully geared on with my standard Nigerian military approved bulletproof vest.

It seems that you are now confusing yourself because I have repeatedly stated that I do not believe in them even though they exist.

So your comment about seeking someone more courageous to stand in my stead will be taken as a comment coming from someone that is losing out on an argument.

Stick to the issues raised.

I don't do charms and I don't believe in them even though they exist and work for those that believe in them.

Ultimately, good will always overcome evil, that is my believe and that is why such charms do fail those that believe in them regardless of exploits they may have undertaken in their lives.

This issue is about your ability to live with things you don't agree with that may in reality exist.

I am still shocked that educated people will block their minds to things they are not aware of rather than try to find out if there is any truth in these things.

A python is supposed to be a python any day yet there are places where you are not allowed to kill them, in fact killing a python is a taboo in those places where pythons enter homes and bed rooms of people who can only carry them out.

I am talking about a real python, not a rubber.

I hope you don't toy with your life based on these "it doesn't exist" attitude.

nex:
@Afam

we're Nairalanders, always willing to clear our doubt. Please if you can fortify yourself with any such bulletproof charm, I'd like you to meet me at the officers' mess on Ribadu Road this Friday, and we'll test it out. Please come with a disclaimer absolving all parties in case the spiritual bulletproof doesn't work as indicated in the instruction manual.

On a second thought I wish to propose the following.

If you agree to the following condition I will look for someone who will take up your challenge.

The condition is this

You shoot the person and if he dies you will not be held responsible.

In return, if the bullet does not penetrate he will shoot you.

Just before you claim the condition is not fair I must remind you that our choice to believe or not to believe anything must come with consequences so if you think that all you need to do to prove this is shoot the person and if nothing happens you shake hands and congratulate him then you must be making a huge mistake.

I am not beginning to understand why we are the way we are. What we don't know don't exist, very scary.

nex:
When Nigerians have decided to learn the lessons of life from home videos, I can't be surprised. Look at the names and types of places of worship Nigeria take themselves to, always casting and binding. Why won't their brains be clouded with magic?

Trying to reduce this to home videos is actually a shame and I am certain you are doing this to justify an impossible position you have taken. This is in bad taste and very unfortunate.

If someone changes from a cat to a human being in your presence what would you do? Commit suicide in protest or simply hide your head in shame? What will you do?

nex:
@Afam

we're Nairalanders, always willing to clear our doubt. Please if you can fortify yourself with any such bulletproof charm, I'd like you to meet me at the officers' mess on Ribadu Road this Friday, and we'll test it out. Please come with a disclaimer absolving all parties in case the spiritual bulletproof doesn't work as indicated in the instruction manual.

Sorry, I don't believe in charms. However, that is not the same thing as saying that charms don't work. Get the difference. Put differently, my not believing in it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Jakumo:
Afam I command you to put down that bottle of Sap'le Wata and listen attentively to the following sentence.

NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING, can repel a properly aimed bullet EXCEPT the correct grade of Kevlar bullet-proof jacket.  When next the police fell some armed robbers in your area, go and take a look at the dead weight of juju paraphernalia that the stone dead robbers will have tied to their every appendage, and then repeat these words over and over again till you regain some semblance of cohesive thought :  "  That chit don't work "   "That chit don't work".

Well, let us leave the issue of common stories let us get down to personal experiences.

I have been with someone who had a gun pointed at him at his back, I shouted the guy's name and told him what was going on, he turned, looked at the guy and proceeded to draw out his own gun. From close range (less than 1 meter) he was shot and others rained bullets on him. We ran, at a time I slowed down to take a good look at the guy and just realized that nothing touched him. It was at that moment I realized the type of people I was moving around with. I was meant to understand that it was nothing and that I could be like that if I was ready. of course, I chose never to be ready.

I play football at a training pitch every Sunday and there is an OPC office within the same compound. I have seen (not heard) people being shot at at point blank range without any harm all in the name of testing the jazz they had prepared for them.

Have you heard about bakassi boys before? Are you aware that sometime ago soldiers were called in to dislodge them in Onitsha area and while the soldiers were shooting at them they were dancing and were actually close enough to tell the soldiers to leave them alone as they were after criminals and not soldiers. Bullets were hitting them and falling off. They told the soldiers to stop shooting at them as they may be forced to retaliate. The soldiers simply entered their trucks and took off.

The man that was kidnapped in Anambra state the other time as he was coming out of the church was reported to have repelled bullets being shot at him and even at about 70 years he tackled one of the kidnappers, took his gun and was about to shoot when he was over powered by the rest of the gang and forced into the vehicle.

Now, let me repeat this again, I do not believe in charms but they do exist. I do not believe in satan but satan sure exists. It would amount to ignorance for you to dismiss something simply because you do not believe in it.

There are human beings that have different parts of their bodies decaying with living maggots in exchange for wealth and yet they live for years before paying with their lives based on what they agreed to.

I am not here to convince you as I do not advocate for such diabolical stuff. I am only surprised that an educated mind would effortlessly dismiss something simply because he /she does not believe in it.

Believing in something is one thing. The existence of that thing is entirely another issue.

Granted there was no video evidence to show when the woman supposedly changed from cat to woman because the cat did not ask people to get their camera phones ready for the transformation. The instances you cited were not change of form from one to another but an event that took place and people started videoing them when they got interested. Did you see any video evidence showing when the lady that was beaten first attacked the naval guy as alleged? Did you see any video evidence showing the leader of Boko Haram confronting the people that arrested him?

Bullets are manufactured by people probably in different countries outside Nigeria. Yet, an uneducated native doctor prepares charms and gives same to someone wanting protection or a criminal that does not want bullet to enter his/her body and when engaged in gun battles the charm prevents bullet from piercing the body.

Is this science? Can someone explain this?

Even when public execution were common have we not heard or seen criminals tied to the stakes repelling bullets before? Is this science? Is this physics? Or are the bullets fake?

As a rational human being without stiff mindsets my mind is always open to learn new things and I am ever ready to own up to things I don't know rather than claim to know what I don't or dismiss what I do not believe.

We are in the 21st century and I honestly believe that we should be more open minded if we must move away from the status quo and mindsets that usually block any new information from passing through or making sense.  

In any case, I will not kill or support the killing of a human being that changed from an animal even if such happened in my presence.

Would those calling all these rumors do a u-turn if they saw this happen right before them? If yes, then I guess we may all dismiss anything we have not witnessed personally as rumors for the sake of fairness.

If someone says that 1 + 1 = 3 simply because he/she does not know how to add it does not make the answer correct. If a student fails an exam because he/she provided wrong answers or does not know the answers it does not change the fact that others will pass the exam by providing correct answers.

So, the correctness or otherwise of any thing has very little or nothing to do with the acceptance of that thing by some people.

ndu_chucks:
@ezeagu, na de kind maturity wey i dey talk about be dis. se as you point out factual errors without abusing people. kudos to you! make you try teach dede1, one or two tings about decorum.

So, in your opinion people should continue to spread hate filled lies and others should come and point out the errors?

Is there anything wrong in telling the truth?

Must you lie to make your point?

Is truth no longer sacred?

Jakumo:
I therefore reiterate that there is a DIRECT causative link between the willingness of people like you, Mr. Beaf, and to my sad astonishment, Mr. Afam, to BLINDLY accept the veracity of fantasy tales passed through a bloodthirsty crowd, and then to ACT on the immediate acceptance of those utterly absurd lies by committing murder of the most horrendous variety, frequently in broad daylight and under the gaze of children who then grow up inured to human suffering and ready to kill for no reason, just like the homicidal monkeys who proudly showed them how to commit murder spontaneously and without reason, reservations or remorse.

@Jakumo,

As stated earlier the best way for any educated person to address issue is to accept responsibility of what he/she knows and what he/she does not know.

The moment you claim that something does not exist simply based on the fact that you are unaware you begin to think like an uneducated person.

I will not even waste my time explaining or putting down real life stories for you to believe this because it is not my duty to do so.

However, while you are astonished I am shocked and embarrassed at the same time that educated minds cannot challenge issues to determine the veracity or otherwise.

I am sure if you had never entered a plane before you would have maintained that nothing can carry people from one place to the other while flying through the air. Even the idea of using a mobile phone to communicate with others continents away would have become rumors to you if you never used one.

You may end up being the one who is goofing big time for assuming this is rumor.

Challenge your mind. Ask questions when you are in doubt. Never make categorical statements unless you are very sure.

Little wonder why a lot of Nigerians don't produce anything, we can't even come to terms with what we don't believe out of either ignorance or convenience.

Enjoy the rest of the week.

It is sad to read from people hear abusing others for stating a well known fact that human beings do turn into animals.

That someone does not know that something exist doesn't make that thing non existent.

Maybe we need to train the mind to learn about things they don't know rather than dismiss them simply because they are not aware.

Sometimes, education is not enough, the mind needs to be trained and things need to be challenged and understood.

I am really shocked at the dismissive nature of some of the posts on this matter and goes a long way to show that indeed quite a lot of Nigerians are ignorant even when claiming to be in the know.

amrerobert:
i have always thought educated persons will face the issues and leave the shadows alone but alas the trend of the contributions on the aburi issue has been anything but encouraging. we have chosen to leave the issues raised at aburi instead we are attacking persons, tribes region etc. these line of action will no get us anywhere but make us treat issues the way we have been treationg them since independence shallowly!!!!!
my dear nairalanders, ojukwu, or the various tribes are not the issues. we should ask ourselves, do we like the way the country has been run? do we need so much power in the center as against the what the aburi accord suggested? do we want a more functional government?
when we are ready to answer this questions the aburi conference document will become a reference point.

God bless you for trying to bring this thread back on track.

We complain about the way things are in Nigeria but whenever suggestions are made as regards the best way forward such suggestions are first analyzed based on the originator and usually the suggestions are dismissed simply because they are coming from someone from a particular section of the country.

I have stated severally that the present young generation of Nigerians if given the chance to lead this nation will plunge the country into a total mess mainly due to intolerance and hatred based on issues you cannot even come to terms with.

If the NFF gave Siasia all he requested for in his proposal when the job was offered to him then I join Lulu in stating that Siasia failed considering the fact that the mandate was to win gold medal for Nigeria.

We must avoid excuses like these. Deliver or accept full responsibility when things go wrong especially when everything you asked for was provided.

Nweddings:
Thanks for the quick responses.

I beleive the application was written in PHP and not in house developed but an off the shelf application.

The site name is in my profile. Please visit the site as that will give you more insight into our requirements.

Ok. Seen the site.

I believe you want the expanded website to have the same color combinations for example the header (top area) and footer (bottom area).

That means that you will have links pointing to each section of the new application - articles, forum and business directory.

Each section will exist on its own with administrator sections to manage content while the user interface will maintain a consistent color combination and theme with the original website.

Now, what can visitors do on the business directory and the articles section? Will they be allowed to post business listings and articles or will the client be the person to populate these sections?

Referencing the first post below

Nweddings:
We already have an active e-commerce website but will now like to expand the site to aslo have a business directory, article library and forum

We will need the designer to incorporate the existing theme and colours into the new site

We are looking for professionals to do the job so please dont waste your time and ours if you are not up to the task. Thank you.

The content in bold refers, confirm that what you mean by the new site is the development and deployment of the 3 new sections on your web server with links linking them together and not a totally new website including an e-commerce section.

Before a lot of time is expended on this I need to ask this - do you have a budget for this? If yes, can you state what it is?

However, the tasks needed are doable and if the price is right you will have all the 3 new sections developed and integrated into the original website in under 1 week.

The forum of course would be an off the shelf forum and associated cost would just be for installation, customization and deployment.

You may send an email to afam@justwebservices.com if you want to discuss this further.

Good luck.

candylips:
ok Afam i don't want to start a PHP war here o  .

all i was just sayin was that you can't use PHP for every software development project. I can explain what ETL means and site various other examples and scenerios where PHP in inadequate but i am just too lazy to start another unneccessary argument. 

Excellent response.

This is not about PHP war or unnecessary argument. It is about justifying a statement.

PHP cannot be used for every software development project or it should not be used for every software development project?

Is there a programming language you believe should be used for every software development project?

Though PHP was developed for the web I have used it to develop desktop software for an oil servicing firm who used and dumped some off the shelf solutions built by other programming language.

In my opinion, it is more about the skills, understanding and experience necessary to turn basic and complex processes into software.

na_so:
For the benefit of our readers, dont you think you could have bettered  peoples understanding of the issues then by supplying superior information to counter his claims, rather than this path of insults?  Just my point though.

On this one I disagree. If one does not understand something he/she should ask for information or seek clarification.

But to insult a people out of sheer ignorance and stupidity is totally unacceptable especially when others have been correcting his misguided comments and completely false information he has been spreading here.

If he feels he can abuse the Igbos even when the topic is on an accord between different sections of Nigeria then I don't see any problem telling him what he is.

okunoba:
The Hausa`s or the Sarduna didn`t go to war because of it, they only voiced their desire 4 it, but Ojukwu went to war at the cost of over 2 million lives. Big difference.

The content in bold refers, this is what you get when you allow complete idiots access to online discussion forums.

The poster has clearly proven that he is not at home with the facts of the matter. I won't be surprised if he is one of those that have been fed with all sorts of hate filled lies by their parents from childbirth.

It is one thing to argue with someone who hates you based on real issues but it is entirely another thing to argue with someone that hates you based on the person's foolishness and ignorance.

The poster is a disgrace to not only himself but to his parents and people as well.