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I tire. Is it not about time we see the records??

seunmsg:
And can you tell us exactly how Tinubu who graduated from the university forged the certificate of the same school he graduated from? The same school has said repeatedly that Tinubu who is currently the president of Nigeria graduated from the school in 1979. Atiku is even in court to get his academic records. So, how come he has an academic records in the school if he forged the certificate and didn’t attend the school? When did certificate forgers start having academic records in a school they did not attend? Make it make sense please.

Hedonisco:
If that can happen, to God be the glory. Maybe the court would have to give it to the declared second, which is Atiku. No problem.

Obi will be prevailed upon and all litigation will be dropped. At this point we just need
to get rid of this disgusting animal they call BAT, along with the amala and ewedu idiots he has populated every important office with.

People who harbour hate hardly get their wishes fulfilled. They keep on getting disappointments back to back.

slivertongue:
a forged CSU certificate makes him unqualified to stand for the office of President as he does not possess the minimum qualification S.131(D) of the 1999 Constitution as amended.

It is not the existence or not of the certificate that is the most important as regards qualification for the office of the president.

The authenticity or not of the certificate only comes to play as regards perjury.

slimfit1:
Obafemi AWOLOWO AIRPORT Lagos LOADING GRADUALLY.

No need for this. Obafemi Awolowo is already immortalised in every nook and cranny.

Famzing

Unnecessarily waste of time trying to impeach the Deputy Governor instead of concentrating on governance.

The way Governors carry about like some Emperor is part of the problems we are having in this country. And also the toothless House of Assembly.

I do no know why the citizenry beam more light on the National Assembly instead of the State Assemblies.

Jeffy1206:
why can't inec do the same thing by giving us the pu results? You guys sometimes reason from your anus sha. Nothing in the brain.

Even if INEC gives you theirs, you also need yours before you can allege tampering with the figures therein.

The result sheets are in multiple folds. The parties gets their copies, INEC gets theirs.

You can obtain an order of the court to get the result sheet. But it seems the LP legal team are more interested in the scanned ones on the IREV. And it is confusing to me because it is from the physical result sheet that it was scanned to the IREV. The physical result sheets therefore is more important. If you claim the copy on the IREV is blurred, collect the physical copy from INEC and then subject it to forensic analysis and then bring forward evidence that it has been tampered with. Why are u fixated on the IREV??

Ofunaofu:
What do you regard as invalid ballot papers

ballot papers not stamped and signed.

He should go and settle his plenty debts first. So called Naija big men will be owing left and right, and will be using bold face and facade to evade settlement.

Tetrisbiz:
I never wanted to do this and this is a very embarrassing situation but I need help from nairaland users.

I have an older brother in his early 40s. Since I was a child till this very moment, this person has been a torn on the flesh of my parents and the family in general.

Sometime in 2020, with the help of my elder sister's husband ( the HR) we were able to find a job for him as a supervisor in a factory and then I and my immediate elder brother (another sibling of mine) contributed money and rented an apartment for him in Lagos and then bought some property to furnish the apartment. To our surprise, my elder brother starting forcing his sexual advances on junior female workers and if any of these girls reject his advances he would start threatening the girls that he would get them fired with the help of the HR (My sister's husband). Forunately my sister's husband found out what was going on and rejected my brother's request for the female workers to be sacked. This started a war between my elder brother and my sister and her husband.

My elder brother eventually left that company (note he wasn't fired he LEFT by himself) and went back to the village. When my father heard this he almost collapsed as he knew the trouble that was coming his way.

Since he returned to the village he started assaulting my parents and I had to send money (about 400,000) back to Nigeria for him to rent a flat just so he could leave my parents alone. My brother stayed in that apartment for 3 months then started fighting his landlord and then told his landlord he couldn't stay for the year and demanded some part of his rent back,he took his rent, returned to the village and picked up from where he left by fighting my father ( a very old man). Its so bad that my father sometimes leaves the house (The house that he built as a family house) and stays outside for hours before returning home.

Please do we have restraining order laws in Nigeria and is there a particular police division in the Nigerian police or legal system that can be used to address an issue such as this?

I'm tired and I'm considering taking a drastic and extremely aggressive decision to resolve this situation once and for all.

I believe he is also irredeemably trapped in Indian hemp smoking, womanising, alcohol and gambling.

Unfortunately, the only soothing words I can offer is that you are not alone in this frustration. I'm also still searching for a solution.

However, you need to find a way to take your parents away from him. God forbid, but if this continues, his troubles will reduce their lifespan and quality of life.

They should find somewhere to be going for a long stretch from time to time. The only negative side of this is that he'll sell the family house on one of those times they are not around, except if you have other strong members of the house living there.

Good. We need more interconnectivity among African nations.

REDshouse:
President Bola Tinubu Admission letter at CSU

Unnecessary drama. We just like to make ourselves a laughing stock before the international community. The initial letter provided by CSU long before now should have sealed these doubts. But people just like to hang unto what tingles their expectations.

There was a time international news media were reporting that Nigerians believe that their President has been cloned and an imposter sent to them. Lol

Naija and its drama no dey end. It's as if we have just discovered the social media.

Raskimonojendor:
They are your everyday average Nigerians. They did not drop from the sky

Until we fix our personal moral behaviours, nothing is going to change.

....and not the politicians and leaders we like to blame for all the problems.

FirstSense:
This is counter productive, what if ministry of agric needs NIN for registration of farmers, them we move to NIMC to ministry of Agric.

National Identity issues ideally falls under the purview of the Ministry of Interior. Buhari regime pushed it to Communications supposedly to tap into their competency in IT matters. But there is no visible progress.

So it should be returned to where it belongs.

wunmi590:
I was telling somebody here one day, that my salary and my other legit money that I make is solely for my wife and my kid, and some of my family members and friends who were there for me....

I don't even post on WhatsApp again self, I don't want anybody to start telling stories that would make me start spending what is meant for my family

After WhatsApp updates, people will remember you and tax must follow. Lol

bentenny:
civil forfeiture, legal process that enables a government to seize property and other assets belonging to persons suspected of committing a crime. The main purpose of civil forfeiture is to provide an effective means of prosecuting criminals and fighting organized crime.

A crime was committed by the current president years ago in a foreign country which had to do with funds used for narcotics!
A civil forfeiture took place!
The constitution states clearly that such individual stands disqualified!

Whether civil or criminal forfeiture,both have to do with the criminal activities of the criminal and the criminal stands disqualified!

...stands disqualified to stand for election upon conviction and until 10 years after the case.

He was not convicted and the case is even more than 10 years. There is nothing here, don't stress yourself.

obailala:
Like I said before, throwing out the entire petition one by one on flimsy excuses doesnt necessarily make it right. It was exactly as expected cos this is Nigeria where the 'Nigerian Factor' supersedes the rule of law. The 'Nigerian Factor' is the reason its impossible for courts to remove a sitting president, not necessarily cos the president got there legally. The Nigerian factor is the reason Tinubu and the APC camp has been totally unperturbed by all the petitions all these while; they know that they have the system 100% in their grasp.

After all isn't it the same country where a senate president who didnt even contest primaries was declared the rightful senatorial candidate in the election? Make una enjoy una lawless country abeg!

It is a fact that Peter Obi's case is watery. There is no way a Presidential election can be overturned on such a watery case, it is an invitation to anarchy. If tables were turned, same will apply. If it was Peter Obi that won the election and APC is approaching the court to overturn the victory on the basis of not scoring 25% in FCT, Peter Obi's supporters would have cried foul.

The 25% issue in the FCT does not make any logical sense if one looks at it dispassionately. It doesn't make any sense at all. Looking at it logically, it defies any objectivity and even looking at it semantic wise, it is still subjective and can be explained both ways. But you cannot interpret a law only on how the grammar was constructed alone especially where there is controversy. Other points will have to be put into consideration in such a scenario.

I have since moved on when I saw that there was no hard evidence that he won the election. I initially thought he was robbed as well, but weeks after when there was no clear cut evidence that he won and was robbed except for Rivers state, which can still not change the outcome of the entire process, I moved on. I even took my time to check the IREV results of the polling units around me that I wrote down their results down during the election and I confirmed them to be accurate.

He and his team didn't do enough work in the SW and the North, and that was the basic reason he lost the election. He couldn't even muster 25% in 24 states (especially the North and the SW) and his votes in the traditional PDP zones were preyed upon by the PDP.

The greedy Atiku contributed to the loss. It was the turn of the South, he should have stepped down and supported Obi. But greed, arrogance and selfishness made him insist on contesting.

cjudy:

Drug case and yahoo is now legal and civil crime in Nigeria.

Shame on the Judiciary and those supporting it.

Thank God say una Dey Nigeria, suffer and hunger will finish una.

Below are the real enemies of Nigeria. If the TV stations like, let them use stickers on their face, but let it be shown today that these are the enemies of the good people of Nigeria and Democrary.

The case was in the US and not in Nigeria. US said their case is a civil case, are you trying to tell them they are wrong??

Kindly note that forfeiture is not conviction. Even if it was a criminal case with conviction, it happened more than 10 years ago and therefore a candidate cannot be disqualified on the basis of that as the limit of disqualification for a criminal conviction according to Nigerian electoral law is 10 years.

Sincerely, there is no legal case in that angle, just a moral one.

And LP can only milk the moral weight of that case before the election.

obailala:
I'm not giving myself any false hope cos everyone already knows the Nigerian system is desperately corrupt and rigged to favour the highest bidder. So I'm not giving myself any hope here; I'm only just stating what is a clear fact and what the outcome should be had Nigeria been a society that reveres the rule of law. This issue is only being debated cos we're in Nigeria where anything goes...

All the legal examples you gave cited Section 299 of the constitution which happens to be a general provision. But Section 134(2) which mentions "...AND FCT..." is a specific provision specifically guiding presidential elections. I'm not a lawyer but one thing I know for certain is that general provision cannot supersede or override a specific provision.

Even Tinubu's camp knows the 25% provision to be a problem, reason why Tinubu had to warn the PEPT that overturning an election just cos of the FCT 25% clause could plunge the nation to anarchy; what he basically implied there is that "Yes the full requirements were not met, but for the sake of avoiding anarchy, let's overlook this minor issue." It's up to the courts to tell us whether emotions and subtle threats supersede the constitution.

25% votes in FCT in the mud as I told you.

Nilon:
is there tribunal in America?

Of course, there is a court to approach to seek redress if you so desire.

It does not have to be called a Tribunal. A tribunal is a court.

themanderon:
Politicians have rigged the whole system. All electoral disputes have to be settled before an incumbent takes over not after when the same person has hijacked all government institutions and you expect him to just let go like that. The people will never have their way if things continue to be done this way. Since 1999 all electoral disputes have always gone the way of the incumbent. No future in sight for this country.

The court requires sufficient time to seat. And even nature abhors a vacuum.

Except if you want us to be conducting elections 6/12 months to the handover. And this also, can throw up issues. A winner waiting a whooping 6/12 months before taking up the mantle. I do not think any country does that!

Kindly note also, that the court of first instance is not the final arbiter of election disputes. It will still go from there to a higher Court for Appeal.

For Presidential election ,its own Tribunal is the Appeal Court, and then goes from there to the Supreme court (the process to final Supreme court verdict may take up to 9months).
For gubernatorial, the cases starts at the Tribunal, to the Appeal and then finally to the Supreme court (the process may take up to 12months)
For legislators, the cases starts at the Tribunal and ends at the Appeal court. (may take up to 9months).

adioolayi:
Peter Obi is validly nominated...this one, APC counsel no win this one.

They know they wont win it. Lawyers usually file a lot of frivolous motions to waste the time of the court. They usually know there's no case in that angle. But still go ahead anyways. Not only will it waste the time of the court, their opponent will also spend time defending the motion.

If the courts start responding with heavy fines, they will stop the practice.

IfnobeGod20:
But same you were jubilating when LP members were ousted by the tribunal on the same basis of preelection matter. The way you rant on every threads about the knowledge of the issues, one would have thought the judgement will go the way you always say it. This is more of technicality than dwelling on the case. You have not for once said they are preelection matters, instead you are even dancing skelewu for removing LP members for the same issues.

They'll be returned on appeal

enemyofprogress:
See as a whole appeal court george dey read like a primary school childrens. Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

'George' indeed. What of Philip??

See charcoal calling Kettle black. Smh

Konjiboii:
Be like you dey live for alternate Naija , your Tinubu will be disgraced today, patapata war go break and in my opinion it's about time.

Yes indeed. It's about time.
However, the war will happen in your belly. It'd be btw the watery beans and pap that you ate yesterday. Get ready for a pincer attack on the WC.

Halo22:
What are you saying? Let them open the Irev, then u will see that Obi won over 25 states.

Continue deceiving yourself. Is the IREV locked? I opened it to check my polling unit results and it's correct.

yewit37486:
There is some confusing/conflicting information in the additional details provided. The bolded paragraphs below should have just been omitted and it would be clear to everyone that it only applies to those who previously did not require a visa to visit the UK.

Who will not need an ETA
You will not need an ETA if you have either:

a British or Irish passport
permission to live, work or study in the UK
a visa to enter the UK

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/electronic-travel-authorisation-eta#who-will-need-an-eta

adecz:
Cooked up "majority votes"😕😕😕

So where are the uncooked votes?? Why are the lawyers not presenting them to the court??

obailala:
I'm not giving myself any false hope cos everyone already knows the Nigerian system is desperately corrupt and rigged to favour the highest bidder. So I'm not giving myself any hope here; I'm only just stating what is a clear fact and what the outcome should be had Nigeria been a society that reveres the rule of law. This issue is only being debated cos we're in Nigeria where anything goes...

All the legal examples you gave cited Section 299 of the constitution which happens to be a general provision. But Section 134(2) which mentions "...AND FCT..." is a specific provision specifically guiding presidential elections. I'm not a lawyer but one thing I know for certain is that general provision cannot supersede or override a specific provision.

Even Tinubu's camp knows the 25% provision to be a problem, reason Tinubu had to warn the PEPT that overturning an election just cos of the FCT 25% clause could plunge the nation to anarchy; what Tinubu basically implied is that "Yes the full requirements were not met, but for the sake of avoiding anarchy, let's overlook minor issues." It's up to the courts to tell us whether emotions and subtle threats supersede the constitution.

If it was Obi or Atiku that won everywhere and didnt win in Abuja, and because of that people are asking for a cancellation of the election over personal interpretation of that section, they would have uttered same thing! Doesn't mean a thing. Every body is free to their expression so far it is not inciteful.

You have your interpretation, of the use of the 'and' in that place. I also have mine, which defers from yours. You have not yet convinced me on the superiority of your argument. It is same with the Judges that would rule on the matter. At the end of the day, a vote will be taken and the majority carries the day. Let us wait and see the number of Judges that will be in favour of 'and' meaning Abuja as a standalone entity, and those that will interpret 'and' to mean inclusive of.

Sections of the law are not interpreted in isolation. There is what is called community reading of the law. You cannot enforce a section alone, you have to reinforce it with other sections in addition to referencing previous ruling on same matter and further attempting to draw insights into what the framers of the statutes attempted to achieve with it.

Just wait and see the judgement tomorrow, and you will see that it is exactly this same way it would be explained.

obailala:
Abuja residents aren't the ones who wrote the Nigerian constitution which clearly stated in English language that they be treated as specials. 'And', 'Including', 'inclusive, we cant turn that simple English statement on its head simply because it doesnt favour some sacred cows who 'own' the system; that would set a very dangerous precedence which could rubbish a lot more things in the constitution.

Sometimes I just sit back and wonder, had it been Peter OBI was the one pronounced winner but he couldn't gain 25% in FCT, had it also been OBI was the one with the $460,000 drug kingpin forfeiture case, I cant even imagine how the smart and ferocious APC e-warriors would have shredded him to pieces. But see how you all are now preaching to Nigerians how these things don't matter

Meanwhile, can you kindly point me to the electoral judgment that stated that the FCT is equivalent to states in electoral matters. I'm patiently waiting!

A case law does not necessarily have to be an electoral one. You guys are just giving yourselves false hopes. Historical judgements will not differ from what we'd get tomorrow.

By tomorrow, your eyes will be clear. Please I beg you, don't come here and scream bribery over your illogical interpretation, which has no precedence.

The status of the FCT is set out in section 299 of the Constitution as follows:

“The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation”.


In Bakari v. Ogundipe (2021) 5 NWLR (Pt.1768) 1, the supreme Court held that by virtue of section 299(a) (b) of the Constitution, the provisions of the Constitution shall apply to the FCT, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation.

In Baba-Panya v. President, FRN (2018) 15 NWLR (Pt. 1643) 423, the Court held that the FCT, Abuja is to be treated like a State and it is not superior or inferior to any state in the Federation.

Buhari v Obasanjo (2005) 13 NWLR Pt 941 Pg 1; Okoyade Vs FCDA LPELR – 41123 9CA)

Falana noted that after the Supreme Court handed down the case of Buhari v Obasanjo (supra) on July 1, 2005, the status of the Federal Capital Territory was subjected to judicial interpretation by the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court.

Specifically, both appellate courts have interpreted section 299 of the Constitution, which states that the provisions of the Constitution “shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation”.

Related interpretation.

Okoyode v Federal Capital Development Authority LPELR-41123(CA), is the first case to confirm the FCT’s legal status. In that case, Rowland J.C.A held: “It is therefore doubtless clear that by virtue of Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federation, the Federal Capital Territory is in law a State. In others words, the Federal Capital Territory should be treated as one of the States in the Federal Republic of Nigeria.”

Falana described as illogical, the position being canvassed by some lawyers meant to confer a special status on the FCT in the calculation of the results in a presidential election.

He said such also meant that the votes of the six area councils in the FCT are greater than the votes cast in the states with over 30 or 40 local governments.

He argued that the absurdity of the argument becomes manifest when it is said that a candidate who has majority of lawful votes and 100 per cent of the votes cast in the 36 states of the Federation cannot be declared the winner of the election unless he scores not less than one quarter of the votes cast in the FCT!

“The contention ought to be rejected outright as the drafters of the 1999 Constitution did envisage that the FCT will be placed on a higher pedestal than any of the remaining 36 States of the Federation.

“In view of the clear provision of Section 299 of the Constitution and the relevant judicial authorities the FCT is to be treated as one of the States of the Federation. No more, no less. Accordingly, the FCT is equal but not higher than any of the remaining 36 states”, Falana

Horus:
There is also the possibility of a Military Coup d'Etat according to the result

Joker