₦airaland Forum

Halo22:
There's nothing there to predict, Obi won the election convincingly, but the Nigerian factor will take place with its so-called technicalities.

You keep saying this without showing how?

How??

By which states? By what number of votes?

obailala:
Doing Nothing! i.e. if the Tribunal ignores all the clear points raised and just outrightly dismisses the case, that would set a dangerous precedent.

Without delving too deep, the 25% in Abuja is a clear basis to call for a run-off, the constitution was very clear on that. If the Tribunal ignores that, then it would be setting a very dangerous precedent which would rubbish the integrity of the Judiciary and the constitution.

Abuja residents are not more important than other people in Nigeria. You people are just clutching at straws.

The constitution stated 1/4 votes in 2/3rd states 'and' the FCT. Which can be interpreted as ...inclusive of the FCT. Try and read up mischief rule of statutes of interpretation of laws.

The constitution and judgments in the past has clearly stated that Abuja FCT will be regarded as other states with respect to its jurisdiction.

Atlantis585:
There will be reruns in select number of states. The states will be chosen to give advantage to the crook in Aso Rock.

And that is the reason military coups happen. It’s long overdue in Nigeria.

So you expect rerun to be declared in states without substantial issues? If yes, then you are biased and as such part of the Nigerian problem.

adecz:
If we follow the nasty antecedents of
the judiciary during the APC era, we
expect a favorable ruling for Tinubu and
await the blowback from the public or
the army....


Mark my prophetical words😎😎😎😎

If Tinubu was able to get majority votes during the election, rest assured he also has majority support in the army.

Fiscus105:
He won indeed, but to be fair enough, that 25% requirement in Abuja , wasn't satisfied according to electoral law, thoug the judges will overlooked it.

You cannot interprete the law by yourself as you are not a judge.

Even if you are judge, the opinion will still be your own and it will be subjected to a majority decision to carry the day if you are juror in say, the Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court

adioolayi:
Wetin be this

Sane Nigerians know that INEC messup the electioneering processes as they failed to keep to their own rules... especially on transmission of presidential election results to IREV in real time as promised by them.

The questions now bothers on if petitioners have been able to convince the Judges that these lapses from INEC is so significant that it has cost their client heavily and it's the reason their client lose the election.


Well, from what I read during trials...I don't think the petitioners have been able to convince me, not to talk about the Judges.

Tinubu wins this. Not about sentiments or emotions

Thank you for this matured and sensible submission

sirchim:
And what happened to the promised transmission of our results in real time? Mek una dey fear God abeg, ba ku da gaskiya, walahi!

Make you sef dey fear God. So the fact that electronic transmission did not happen automatically means that the results were changed??

If indeed results were changed, why has anybody been unable to produce evidence of manipulated results save only for that of Rivers state??

Has anybody been able to present any alternative result that will markedly influence the outcome of the election??

Interestingly, I didn't even vote for the APC, but I just detest emotionally laden arguments without proper facts.

All the other parties have agents in virtually all the polling units in Nigeria. No case has been presented in courts based on irrefutable manipulated numbers. Everybody is just dancing around.

I also cried wolf after the election did not favour my candidate and was hoping the courts remedy the situation. But I calmed down after checking the 5 polling units surrounding my area that I wrote down the results personally. I checked online on the IREV and the polling unit results I took corresponds to what was uploaded online.

Have you checked yours and those around you?? Was there a difference? If you add all the polling unit results together to get that of the ward? Was there a difference with what was declared?? If you add all the ward results together to get that of the local government, did you observe any significant difference with what was declared? And if you now go further to add all the local government results together to get that of the state, was the outcome different from what was declared by INEC? This is how to dwell on facts. Not just shouting about electronic transfer without any facts as to the origin of manipulation. Even the so called electronic transmission is the easiest to manipulate by hackers.

What I expected to see at the tribunal are evidences to show polling unit results were manipulated at ward collation level/local govt level and state collation with proper facts and figures.

But what we had was just a merry-go-round case based on technicalities and seeking disqualification. Pure waste of intellect.

sirchim:
If THIEFNIBU, and him ZOMBIES, up till now, can't really break it down for me to understand, how some one that collected WOTO WOTO home and away, Lagos and Abuja, including his own state of origin, won the election, then I won't take the tribunal serious.🤔

Are the places you mentioned the only places where the election was conducted?

Wainey:
Just say RIP and move on abeg.
U go explain tire.

Nigerians are not known to be safety conscious
No be still in this same Nigeria that people build shops under high tensions?

There's an hotel swimming pool under high tension in Surulere, Rita Lori hotel.

HRMK:
am i lying?that is the main question!northerners especially the muslims believe they own this country!you can see what is presently going on in kwara!!

You are contributing to the aura of superiority with this your statement. Stop saying such things. Its hyping them.

HRMK:
ONLY THE NORTHERNER COULD FREELY DO THIS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY!

Ttipsy:
you voted for tinubu ! Why are you in denying that?? Lol

Hypocrite

I didnt vote for Tinubu, even if I did, I will stand by it, it is my right, not your fecking business. I can vote for anybody I choose. You are very silly for calling me an hypocrite over what you are obviously not in the know. It clearly demonstrates your level of intelligence.

Ttipsy:
why is his certificate being questioned??
Anybody can be president still doesn’t change anything

You can’t be elected in a questionable circumstances and expect pple to be happy !
Everybody can’t be so daft you know? Fvck off

You are obviously the daft one. So for the mere fact that a question was raised makes it a forged one?

Everyone cannot be happy. There's never a choice that is 100% satisfactory to everybody. I didnt even vote Tinubu. But it is senselessness to be throwing tantrums all over the place and doing the ridiculous because the winner is not your preference.

Ttipsy:
Some pple r happy and support a president with forged certificate

Lol

So bad of a country

How do you know the certificate is forged? You people will just be saying your own speculations as a fact. Are you the one that issued him the original certificate??

And that is the simple reason you find it difficult to accept alternative outcomes even in the face of glaring evidence.

NotProphet:
claiming doesnt prove anything.
anybody can say yes or no to anything.
let them present his documents.
atiku is not asking them to claim. he is asking them to provide his documents to backup their claims

Which documents? All this is just a circus show.

Nigerians are too clownish. We went this same route with Buhari disturbing the the US military sch he went and the UK all for nought. Even WAEC that was the examiner came out to declare in favour of Buhari, but people were still hitting their head against the wall because the fact does not align with their expectations.

This same idiocy is playing out. The sch said he graduated from their sch. His classmate did a video to declare they finished from the school together. We saw a year book with pictures of both of them present there.

Which other documents are you people looking for? You write to an institution that is decades old to enquire if a person actually graduated from their school and they answered in the affirmative. For any reasonable enquiry, it all should stop after getting official confirmation from the institution.

This same thing is done by employers and other higher institutions from all over the world. A simple corresponden from the institution or agency puts all doubts to rest. But here in Naija, we must overdo because of desperation.

There's seem to be a spirit of mob/herd mentality in Naija that do not make them accept alternative facts to what they want to hear.

Now you want to put the institution on trial, querying their admission process, etc. The entitlement mentality is unbelievable.

NotProphet:
until CSU comes clean on this matter, we will assumed whatever we think is true.

let dem come out clean and save Nigeria from this mess.
if Tinubu truly went to the school, present his documents to atiku lawyers. if he didnt go to the school, come out and clear ur name.
its very simple.
when mmesona was claiming she got the highest score in jamb. immediately jamb came out to refute it, shey the matter die natural dead?
let CSU do the same thing, so we all can turn our focus to the judiciary
one man with multiple baggages

But they have done so. I saw their letter. Also, in the court in the US they declared he graduated from the school in their response.

NotProphet:
thank Obidients
govt will never take us for granted again.
Nigeria is everyone's project whether north, or south. we all must fight for a better country.
this brainless agbadorians will come to later appreciate the fight we did
keep the fire up
if this man nor respond to us well, we will take it to POTUS
that university must tell us the truth about Tinubu

The University's truth or your own desired truth?

Bigkoko:
That seat go hot for Asiwaju...... Era of technicalities rule by some old stupid judge is gone in Nigeria!

But this ruling you guys are after is based on technicalities na. Not actual results on the field.

SyrusdeHansome:
Lemme be arrogant 4 once. This shows how stupid u are to equate graduation frm the university 20 yrs ago to the necessary experience required to direct a ministry in a complex country like Nigeria. Maybe idiots like u think that when i talk abt experience i'm referring to the age or academic attainment of an individual. Go nd sit down jarre!

What's the big deal in managing a Ministry in Nigeria. All the ministers we've been having till date, what is special about them, what real impact have they made. Oga abeg chill.

HRMK:
ONLY THE NORTHERNER COULD FREELY DO THIS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY!

Any small thing, Northerner this, northerner that. smh

otomatic:
I added the second sentence to even make my point clearer.
If you graduated below 30 and then come back at 40 for exemption, I think you deserve it. Some people under 30 have gotten exemptions for whatever reason.

What you think does not guide NYSC but the application of the law. Only those who at the time of graduation are above 30 years are issued exemption.

The other people qualified for exemption are explicitly captured in the NYSC act. Try and be open to learning.

otomatic:
I disagree. She graduated before 30. Then wants to mobilise when she is past 30. NYSC will reject such mobilisation.
One must be below 30 to mobilise.

Either you disagree or agree does not change the facts of the matter. This current lady in question was mobilized by NYSC, so many people in this circumstance have been mobilized in the past.

A person has even stated it here on this thread that he observed some very old people in NYSC camp.

wildernessVoice:
Hope she'll be paid NYSC allawee of 33k and not ministerial remuneration.

If you are serving at a company, will the company not pay you?

All she needs to do now is to apply for redeployment to her Ministry.

She'd be a youth corper there and also their Minister hilarious

tollyboy5:
What do you mean by weak institution? is she not also serving her fatherland? na by force to teach for primary school to show you served your father's land.

People with closed mind believe everyone must suffer like them

crackhouse:
So NYSC is not mandatory but this same NYSC is the same reason former minister of finance Kemi Adeosun was removed from office because they said she did not do her NYSC...and now it's no longer a requirement.

She was harassed out of office because she presented a fake NYSC exemption certificate. Not because she did not serve.

Forgery is a criminal offence in Nigeria.

Pearl1910:
How were u mobilised and serving at more than 30 years?
In this case the law states that u should be given a certificate of exemption.
So tell us, who did u bribe or where did u go and forge birth certificate or swear affidavit that allows u to still be mobilized when clearly you have passed the age.

Secondly, if u r serving already then u aren't supposed to accept any government appointment/employment or rather no government agency is supposed to employ u because that will be obstructing your ongoing NYSC service. Except u will not draw salary from the govt for being a minister, then u are defrauding the govt by recieving double payment as an NYSC Corp member and a Federal Govt Minister at thesame time.
In summary, if u must keep this Ministerial appointment then u must defer ur NYSC program.

Thirdly, I am sure u can't be a minister of the federal republic without having either a Discharge certificate or a Certificate of Exemption from NYSC. So u r quoting only the law that is convenient for you.

1. You can be mobilised above 30 years if you apply for mobilisation, so far your age as at the time of graduation is under 30 years. Key word here is "at the time of graduation".

Which means, you can graduate from University of Putin in Russia at age 25 and you decide to work in Russia for 10 years. Now 35, you came back to Nigeria and goes to the NYSC to ask for exemption certificate because you are now 35 years. It will not be approved. When they check and see that your age at the time of graduation was 25 years, they'll simply ask you to apply for mobilisation.

2. You can be a Minister, Commissioner, Senator, House of Rep member, House of Assembly member, Governor, President etc without service.

Unfortunately, those who drafted the constitution forgot to put it as a requirement for those offices or purposely left it out. And in all constitutional reviews carried out, they did not put it.

Though a screening authority such as the State House of Assembly or the Senate can decide to make it one of their own screening parameters.

efeski:
If an individual exceeds 30 years at the time of their graduation, they will not be able to take part in the program. Instead, they will receive a certificate of exemption, indicating their exemption from the NYSC service requirement.

The above is the koko

Age wise she ought not to be serving by now.
It's against the law.
In a sane country that's enough grounds to lose the ministerial position

Read this highlighted part of your statement properly and digest it.

According to the law its the age at the TIME of graduation that matters. Not current time.

The law has a lacuna on those eligible and did not serve at the right time. In the absence of a clear cut provision for this circumstance, it infers that they can present themselves for service at whatever age.

DeepSight:
Even @ 100?

So far you need the NYSC certificate.

otomatic:
This is not correct. The age is at the point of mobilisation.
You can't graduate at 21 and then mobilise for NYSC at 32.
When you serve, you will know better.

Look at you. Service since when.

Btw, I'm looking at the legal interpretation of the NYSC Act. The legal interpretation of the NYSC Act is that you must serve compulsorily, so far you graduate under 30 years of age.

If you like, run away and don't present yourself for service. When you come back at age 40 and then claim you need exemption because you are above the age for service. They will look at the age you graduated and simply tell you, you are not qualified for exemption, because as at the time you graduated you were still under 30 years. It is as simple as that.

If they allow that, it simply means people will not serve, they will just go and then come back when they are above 30 years to ask for exemption certificate.

If you are of age when Minister Kemi Adeosun had her issues, you will know that was how they discovered that her exemption certificate was fake!

NYSC will never issue you exemption certificate if they check and see that you graduated under 30years and never presented yourself for service.

otomatic:
The NYSC does not permit it.
From 2001 to 2023 is enough for her to be above the 30 years old limit.
Having one set of rules for some people and another for the less privileged is why our country is like this.
Even NYSC has to explain how she was mobilized a second time. How did her BVN not show her age? Is CBN involved too? How did the security agencies skip this kind of important fact in their report? Were they compromised?
There should be a probe of the circumstances leading to this.

It is the age that she graduated that matters. Not her current age.

So far she graduated at under 30 years of age, she is expected to complete National Service. If she did not make herself available then, before she can get the clearance (certificate), she must make herself available for the national service, no matter the current age of the person.

otomatic:
I am shocked that after 22 years she is still less than 30 years old, which is the statutory age above which one cannot participate in the scheme.

It therefore means she graduated from University at 7 or 8 years old.

This is quite a feat, globally and is worthy of note.

You are interpreting the NYSC laws the wrong way.

The laws says once you graduate under 30 years of age, you must participate. If you graduate above the age of 30 years, you are entitled to get a waiver.

Kindly take note of the word I put in bold. That is the key word to interpreting the NYSC law. That was what they used to nail Kemi Adeosun back then. That so far you graduated under the 30 years of age, you must complete the national service. No matter what age you are at the moment. It is the age at the time of graduation that determines if you are eligible for National Service.

If you did not do it then, you can still come and do it at whatever age.

tensazangetsu20:
One of my close buddies got his us visa on the first try with fake bank documents. Really lucky dude.

Look at you even communicating a kind of admiration for the fraudster instead of you to express outrage and condemn him.

This is the reason it is difficult to trust anything Nigeria. And they make Nigerians go through a lot before they can be believed.

CondemnBattery:

Driving past the Canadian embassy every morning on freedom way, you will ask yourself, all these people queuing each day to japa, what exactly are they going there for?

How can you just wake up and decide to run away from your own country, when most of them has good-paying jobs and businesses?

The desperation is really disturbing

Canadian embassy bawo?

That is VSF Visa application centre, which handles the visa application of multiple countries.